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Title: What environment do you strive for?
Post by: Bastard on March 17, 2013, 06:37:00 pm
Just wondering guise....
Title: Re: What environment do you strive for?
Post by: Emperor Napoleon on March 17, 2013, 06:41:55 pm
I would say I like to have discipline, skill and fun. Its no good otherwise!
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Post by: Orcaryo on March 17, 2013, 08:16:28 pm
A regiment cant be fun if it does not have discipline.
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Post by: ColdSniper45 on March 17, 2013, 09:54:23 pm
Its a tough choice, they are all important, I guess i say fun, since its just a game.
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Post by: Jacob on March 19, 2013, 08:52:01 am
I want all of them :P
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Post by: Van_Hulstein on March 19, 2013, 12:34:43 pm
Skill is the most important for me, than disipline.
Fun comes out of skill (winning).
Title: Re: What environment do you strive for?
Post by: TheBoberton on March 19, 2013, 01:31:57 pm
Everyone I spend time playing this game with have realised that fun comes before all, so we strive for that, rather than skill or 'discipline'. Winning can be fun, yes, and I certainly attempt to improve my own skills, but I don't force it upon others within the community I'm in.

At the end of the day, only the fun you had matters, not the number of kills you and your regiment got.
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Post by: GoldenEagle on March 19, 2013, 06:05:00 pm
Discipline. That is fun and bring skills.
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Post by: Walko on March 19, 2013, 06:43:07 pm
Well during events discipline, but fun otherwise, after all, that is why we do this :P
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Post by: Deofuta on March 19, 2013, 08:38:30 pm
Discipline.

Im not sure what you mean by this 'fun' business, could you describe it for me? They didn't teach that drill in my regiment.
Title: Re: What environment do you strive for?
Post by: Millander on March 19, 2013, 09:19:55 pm
Fun,

 We dont enforce Pts when commands aren't being given and headbanging is allowed. However when commands are being given and I tell them its time to act disciplined (when in live rounds) they are as disciplined as the next unit. We have found it to be a perfect mix.
Title: Re: What environment do you strive for?
Post by: Furnardan on March 20, 2013, 04:50:12 am
TL:DR

I'm from an earlier age, at the birth of the 1stEPI, and for a long time we were very mature and very disciplined during LB's,  even inforcing pts "Permission to speak" during a battle. We asked dead players not to talk unless the whole regiment was dead, and even after we all died, we were not allowed to talk unrelated conversation. Our trainings involved not just teaching noobies the ropes, but figuring out new, more effective ways to operate the regiment, executing formations and training the men to act faster on orders. We trained at the firing range and in melee with a goal to improve skill and understand techniques, and even gave medals and awards to winners of ranged and melee competitions at trainings, which I for one will say really gave the men a drive and competitive spirit. Fun and trollish goofing off could have slowed down our progress, as we became a very powerful and influential regiment.
But as time and more time past, the regiment inevitably became more loose, the original officers became tired of their posts and resigned, and the high standards of discipline and conduct were gradually lowered. Talking and goofying off became less monitored unless it got too out of hand. The goofiness and less critical treatment DID give some players relief, being more loose as to just have fun for the casual gamers, but its at that point that I'll say the regiment lost its charm for me, including its originality. The 1stEPI is just another one of many regiments to me now, though as a plus side, it has retained much and even has the title of founding father of the Prussian Army. I was there through all of it, and even after I retired, I continued to show up periodically for a long time with the 1stEPI.

And the point of all that is, I had fun when we trained to kick ass AND for trying to be a controlled, disciplined regiment, respected(and hated) for its high standard and ambitions. Sure, we had to keep the shit-talk out of TS and the head bobbing out, but I can't say I missed that stuff anyway. I felt like I was asked to be a real soldier at times, I felt like we stood out, the overly impressing feeling of effective teamwork, it was quite inspiring to me. I had alot of fun back then, and that fun was derived from things other than trollful actions, "your mom!" jokes, or that type of atmosphere.
Title: Re: What environment do you strive for?
Post by: Millander on March 20, 2013, 07:02:43 am
I feel many people in the NA community dont understand what the EPI has done to mold the NA community what it is today. 5arge of the epi started the first NA linebattles which in turn started the first real North american regiments. The use and doctrine of double rank most regiments do was made by the EPI. I for the past nearly 2 years have operated in a slightly modified version of the old EPI drill I learned while in them.

The EPI for a long time were the main driving forse keeping the North american linebattle going. Myself and Heinrich started the first tuesday NA battles which eventually caused battles on tuesday to be the norm.

If I were to name th single most important NA regiment ever raised for their very long history of over 2 years of activity, a revolutionary new way to look at formations that has shaped the way many of us do linebattles and has done the most to better and mold the north american community I would say it would be the 1. East Prussian Infantry. I am happy to have fought in them and alongside them at their height.
Title: Re: What environment do you strive for?
Post by: TheBoberton on March 20, 2013, 04:58:14 pm
Furnadan, the atmosphere you described as a counter to the EPI's 'superrealismshutup' - that being a troll-ish one - is usually not present in 'undisciplined' regiments. An example being my own regiment, during its 'golden age'. We'd talk and laugh and simply spend time with friends, but when the bullets started flying, we all knew what to do and whom to listen to.

And on another note; A large number of people prefer a more relaxed setting, because getting yelled at for speaking out of turn in a video game is just silly. We're here to have fun, not go to stupid lengths to make ourselves think we're Napoleonic era soldiers. If you want that, there are a great many Napoleonic and Civil War reenactment groups you can speak to. Though I must warn you that they won't likely yell at you, except perhaps during an event that requires it, because they've realised that it scares people away. (Who knew?!)

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Also, it should be stated that, if you have to enforce 'PTS', then you've got a problem. A disciplined group knows when it's ok to speak, and when they need to be listening for orders; an  undisciplined one has to be told.
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Title: Re: What environment do you strive for?
Post by: Furnardan on March 21, 2013, 05:27:13 am
I'm sorry Boberton, but I think you may be coming on a little strong. :-[ I take it as a possibility that you didn't like the 1stEPI very much back when? I shall clarify...
For one thing, I don't recall saying other regiments were "undisciplined", but I will be bold enough to say that we were more disciplined in many ways. And... we didn't yell at everyone for every little thing, and as far as the code of conduct and talking went, we didn't have much trouble keeping order, something you'd like to quickly shoot down the possibility of. The men were well trained and yet enjoyed themselves, otherwise we wouldn't have been hosting a regular 25-30 men per event back in the day(I know numbers have dropped in many regiments these days), it didn't usually take more than a "No talking, so we can hear the orders." I mean, ya, sometimes we did have someone who wouldn't shut up or listen well, but it was usually someone very young and inexperienced to it all... and to teamwork for that matter. Many officers, for the most part, were grown men, and they handled training folks very well and with understanding, if I do say so myself. I've played with several other regiments as a guest and some are better than others at this from what I've seen, but others, the guys talked so much that the officer had to repeat orders or someone in the line didn't catch a command and part of the line is sluggish or sloppy in moving out. And for the record, the men laughed and enjoyed themselves and each other very much, had very casual times, and likewise, very disciplined times, even with a -Gasp!!- language filter! (It didn't involve every little curse word, mind you, and it was more directed towards stupid-vulgar speech just in general.)

I man like yourself should realize that there are several ways of having fun and several different folks who seek it, and not just taking the norm as the absolute way. I think one answer I'll give you for this mystery of how we could possibly have had any fun at all with this supposedly "mean-yelling-restricting-overly-dsciplined" regiment is that we didn't draw in some of the usual crowd. We drew in the players that enjoyed and desired our realism, competitiveness( I say competitive, and that holds true in certain aspects, but we actually focused more on enjoying a Line Battle whether we won or not) and, of course, our friendly and mature attitude. They either were seeking it or enjoyed it when they came. Some did leave because of our ways(Though I recall some who came to our regiment because the one they were in wasn't to their liking), but I think everyone has their personal interests, that which sways between stupid-fun through stupid-strict.
I think the best metaphor for my argument will be people and music, because humans have so many different tastes in music, and we don't all agree on the same thing... and some people might would like certain music if they'd just give it a try. I know I've had that exact experience before. I'll also use a more abstract metaphor to the topic, of godmode and sandbox vs. limitation and regulation, because, when there are no limits at all and you can do anything without even trying, an activity gets boring real quick. There has to be some control, some limitation. Man wasn't made to be god. (The latter metaphor is limited to a particular side of this argument, and does not support it as a whole, so if you can relate it in the manner intended... well then, props for you.)
And that being said, there really isn't a clear-cut way to say that you or I am dead wrong or right in our opinions on the matter, because, depending on who you're catering, we're both right. And when it comes to the "well the majority of folks," I find that to often be a matter of assumption and opinion... 8)

(And for the record, I voted fun on the poll, but I consider the top 2 options to be conductive to the 3rd.)
Title: Re: What environment do you strive for?
Post by: Galadhion on March 21, 2013, 06:09:42 pm
Discipline. Without discipline, fun will not last. And without discipline, skill is useless. Skill is a bullet, discipline is the barrel and fun is the target.
Title: Re: What environment do you strive for?
Post by: Bastard on March 21, 2013, 06:10:50 pm
Quote from: Galadhion on March 21, 2013, 06:09:42 pm
Discipline. Without discipline, fun will not last. And without discipline, skill is useless. Skill is a bullet, discipline is the barrel and fun is the target.

Well said!
Title: Re: What environment do you strive for?
Post by: Wismar on March 30, 2013, 11:55:55 am
Discipline and a good leader makes a regiment skilled.
Title: Re: What environment do you strive for?
Post by: Wismar on April 01, 2013, 10:49:37 am
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Title: Re: What environment do you strive for?
Post by: Furnardan on April 01, 2013, 04:50:35 pm
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Title: Re: What environment do you strive for?
Post by: Evan on April 01, 2013, 05:59:43 pm
I like all of them. Discipline, fun, and skill... although players who focus on skill are no fun, and have no discipline.
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Post by: McEwan on April 02, 2013, 12:47:26 am
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Title: Re: What environment do you strive for?
Post by: saturnplanet on April 05, 2013, 04:02:08 pm
if I had one, I would say fun
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Post by: Ryno2626 on April 24, 2013, 04:39:35 am
I'm more into fun and skill. Disipline is Meh.
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Post by: regwilliam on April 25, 2013, 09:59:36 am
Discipline is the best I'm from the 29th worcestershire now i have been playing since MM as most of us have and i can tell you that people have fun through winning and i have seen it all and been though it all. lines that when halted running into each other delaying the line and in that time getting shot to hell. little kids and troll taking into there mic like there is no tommorow and we cant hear orders getting us killed and pissing everyone off. Then i found the 29th and will never leave till im dead. we are well know liked and big we have trainings most every other day learing all the orders and what to do when we hear it we dont every type in-events talking is kept to Pts and throught that we kill everything. skill it not really a big deal since skill dont stop bullets and cant kill all attackers or block everything. fun is great but only after events.
Title: Re: What environment do you strive for?
Post by: Furnardan on April 26, 2013, 02:22:32 am
I think fun by definition is an individual concept. Exp, some folks have fun kicking baby puppies, some enjoy letting out stress from a hard day by goofing off with their friends, some like recreating history and creating a community that is effective at achieving its goals. Whatever "your" goals are, there are plenty of regiments that fit into different levels of the extremes. I think the only trick is finding the right regiment for you.

My personal thought on the matter, though, is that you can't have lasting fun in our LineBattling community without some discipline. The linebattles themselves have rules, which automatically requires some base level of discipline.
Think of it this way; those guys that chatter the entire time in TS and screw around in-game and horseplay. YA, they get to have their version of fun. But what about the guys who want to be the most skilled warriors in their regiment? To claim all the kills, show off their merit and be a star? And what about the guys that want some peace over the air-waves to hear the orders and focus on their surroundings and excel at the game as well, but maby on a more company-level rather than individually? And then you have the historically minded folks, who enjoy a more serious reenacting environment? To them, being more serious with the game is fun. But without good command and discipline with moderation, all these types of players can't exist together. The goofying off fellows and warrior-rambo guys break orders to get their last shot off, to chase down the straggler when the officer orders the line to reform, to jump out of formation and try taking on all the circling cavalry on his own, which in turn causes more men to follow him out of formation? The players trying to be more immersed or take a more serious approach are at a constant struggle with the loose and even somewhat chaotic fellows, calling one side "Too uptight" and the other "Trollish and annoying".

It's up to the self-claimed commander to decide whether he wants to create a regiment that entertains one side of the spectrum or tries to moderate. From my experience, a regiment of moderation can actually help folks mature on a personal level. I've known goofy troll-like fellows that joined our regiment, and instead of angrily quitting on account of some discipline requirements they didn't like, they stayed(Or were allowed to stay) and maby calmed down a bit, worked with the officers and other players at a semi-bearable level, maby even sparked an interest in the operation and effectiveness of the company/regiment. Other folks who joined seemed to get a nervous break down, shouting at folks to quit messing up the line or head-bobbing so much, or chatting over the orders. Some of those folks stayed too and maby learned a little endurance and patience with the other players.
The other category I mentioned before would be the "rambo-minded" folks, which is what I was(sorta still am), in combination with the historically-minded as well. The rambos of the regiment like to break orders to achieve more personal goals on the battlefield. But my rambo-complex was at odds with my joy of history and actually helping the regiment look and BE the most damn awesome regiment we could be. In a sense, my desire to show off also led to a desire to help the regiment I was in show off. So ya, I was one of those folks that liked to get the men to follow orders effectively and look fit, capable and keen. I think everyone can have the most fun as a whole when there's moderation and some discipline involved. It's like a sandbox game, in a world without a rules and you can be god, life can get pretty boring without goals to follow.