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Mount & Blade Warband: Napoleonic Wars => Released Modifications => Iron Europe => Topic started by: TheHunted0 on June 07, 2014, 11:45:11 am

Title: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: TheHunted0 on June 07, 2014, 11:45:11 am
Its a shame Iron Europe Died so fast I really enjoyed it before attending all the events and stuff.
 :'(
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: TheHunted0 on June 07, 2014, 11:47:29 am
R.I.P Iron Europe
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Herishey on June 07, 2014, 01:30:43 pm
90% of M&B mods die "fast".
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Rune on June 07, 2014, 01:32:06 pm
R.I.P Iron Europe
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Parrot on June 07, 2014, 01:32:50 pm
Posts like this don't really help encourage people to give sleeping mods a chance, if anything people will see this and assume that it is dead
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Rival on June 07, 2014, 02:12:09 pm
Maybe it's because Iron Europe didn't have a good idea for doing battles like NW has linebattles. No one knew what to do or how to do it if anything, it was all just capture the flag.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Olafson on June 07, 2014, 02:36:44 pm
Thats not true. I had a pretty good idea and it would have worked out if the servers wouldnt have crashed with 200 players.

Well, next time it will work.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Rival on June 07, 2014, 02:42:06 pm
And this idea was?
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Olafson on June 07, 2014, 04:11:13 pm
I had 2 full 200 man servers.

https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=13018.0

I could have gotten a 3rd, but did not want to. Everyone, all 400 guys went on the same ts, joined the servers, set up whispers between generals and officers, discussed tactics. And then the servers werent able to run 200 guys.

The 200 guy issue was the reason IE stopped being played.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Karth on June 07, 2014, 04:19:10 pm
Yea :/ it's sad I wish it could handle 200 people for events, I guess nothing can be done because it's not optimized to run on this engine? I don't know much but honestly would pay to see something like this just optimized for 200 people servers.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Loyal on June 07, 2014, 04:40:36 pm
i agree. 200 players does not work well with the engine
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: TheHunted0 on June 07, 2014, 05:37:38 pm
i agree. 200 players does not work well with the engine
+1  :D
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Willhelm on June 07, 2014, 05:50:24 pm
Gotta blame the collective testers which I also was. Whenever the call to come test was done the most that came on was about 70, which still ran well, if all the testers came on we'd have seen how it faired at a high amount of players before release.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: TheHunted0 on June 07, 2014, 06:01:34 pm
Gotta blame the collective testers which I also was. Whenever the call to come test was done the most that came on was about 70, which still ran well, if all the testers came on we'd have seen how it faired at a high amount of players before release.
Orly
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Nipplestockings on June 07, 2014, 06:06:39 pm
I never even played it. I was away from home for a few months and didn't have a reliable connection (that is I got 999 ping on every server), and so I decided to just wait til I got back to my regular computer. Two months later it was dead, and I still had another few weeks to go before I could even download the game. I finally downloaded it and opened it up, and there were ten people total spread across three servers. Such a shame...
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: TheHunted0 on June 07, 2014, 06:08:23 pm
I never even played it. I was away from home for a few months and didn't have a reliable connection (that is I got 999 ping on every server), and so I decided to just wait til I got back to my regular computer. Two months later it was dead, and I still had another few weeks to go before I could even download the game. I finally downloaded it and opened it up, and there were ten people total spread across three servers. Such a shame...
Yea that's a shame I had so much fun at the start when Iron Europe was launched. Unlucky man
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: BNS Marko on June 07, 2014, 09:45:14 pm
Gotta blame the collective testers which I also was. Whenever the call to come test was done the most that came on was about 70, which still ran well, if all the testers came on we'd have seen how it faired at a high amount of players before release.
This is very true, if some of those 'regiment' testers actually showed up there'd be 150+ of us and we could give quality feedback to the team. And those same people then whined when events crashed at 200 men events.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Olafson on June 07, 2014, 11:32:30 pm
Well, Vince worked on it for quite some while and he assured me that the new Build should work with 200 players. But its hard to test that... If there is no one playing.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Colbac on June 08, 2014, 12:44:57 am
The biggest two problems (for me) were

1. Conquest would always end up with both sides rushing one location on the map, and that faction that would gain that one spot would basically win every time. Not very fun when basically the game is decided in the first 2 minutes. The most fun I had on Iron Europe actually, was on siege, because it gave the attackers certain advantages like infinite respawns, so it wasn't impossible for the attackers, but they still had a great challenge.  Unfortunately, you couldn't cap the final point on siege, but it was still fun.

2. Server crashes and technicalities, which is a shame because I was hopeful that after the recent update that supposedly fixed the server issues, more people would play. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to actually see if it worked or not.

I don't really think there was anything else. Everything else was pretty solid. Just these things were so major that everything else suffered from it IMO.

Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Olafson on June 08, 2014, 01:18:22 am
Yes, the maps with 3 capture points only are rather boring. It will end up with one team completly decimating the other team.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Rigadoon on June 08, 2014, 03:22:37 am
Second problem is supposedly solved by Vince's fixes. We will find a way to test this before our next update. The first issue we plan to fix by locking flags under attack from spawning. This means that heavily defended flags aren't impossible to capture like they were before. Flags will change hands more often so gameplay will be more varied.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Colbac on June 08, 2014, 05:28:59 am
And if you could, check to see if the flag on siege is bugged. If its not that, then it must've of been the map we were playing on then.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Friedrich on June 21, 2014, 02:46:27 pm
Gotta blame the collective testers which I also was. Whenever the call to come test was done the most that came on was about 70, which still ran well, if all the testers came on we'd have seen how it faired at a high amount of players before release.
The problem for me was, that the testing events had no fixed time. They just randomly poped up in Steam. No wonder so less testers showed everytime up (me inlcuded). A closed beta event to test the game on heart and kidney should have planned at least for a week. So people would have had time to schedule it. And btw planning everything via Steam is not good either. I miss most of the popups or chat requests when I'm ingame. Another reason why I rarely showed up. I just didn't even notice it.

 :-\
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: lolman1c on June 22, 2014, 03:35:55 pm
Does anyone have a regiment I can join? The 27JP has currently died and I miss this game. I was head of artillery in both IE and NW with about 50 people in the regiment in total and I have lots of experience with both games as officers since Mount and Musket.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Mr. Logic on June 22, 2014, 04:16:23 pm
technical issues aside WW1 is just not a fun conflict to make a game around, from what I played of this game it played in exactly the same way as an old Half-Life mod called The Trenches (except with bigger maps and more players) the game just turned into a rail gun fight where 90% of the time you couldn't see who killed you/get a chance to shoot back, combined with the fairly bland battlefields of WW1 (trench systems with a few objects and craters thrown in) the novelty of playing a WW1 themed game wares off fast. 
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: lolman1c on June 22, 2014, 08:01:45 pm
technical issues aside WW1 is just not a fun conflict to make a game around, from what I played of this game it played in exactly the same way as an old Half-Life mod called The Trenches (except with bigger maps and more players) the game just turned into a rail gun fight where 90% of the time you couldn't see who killed you/get a chance to shoot back, combined with the fairly bland battlefields of WW1 (trench systems with a few objects and craters thrown in) the novelty of playing a WW1 themed game wares off fast.

WHAT? How can you say it is not fun. Always the constant threat of dying, shrapnel flying everywhere and just shooting blindly for dear life! I love this so much... I hate fast arcade shooters and it's not really a rail shooter if you actually have to use tactics to achieve something...
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Olafson on June 23, 2014, 08:41:28 am
technical issues aside WW1 is just not a fun conflict to make a game around, from what I played of this game it played in exactly the same way as an old Half-Life mod called The Trenches (except with bigger maps and more players) the game just turned into a rail gun fight where 90% of the time you couldn't see who killed you/get a chance to shoot back, combined with the fairly bland battlefields of WW1 (trench systems with a few objects and craters thrown in) the novelty of playing a WW1 themed game wares off fast.

WHAT? How can you say it is not fun. Always the constant threat of dying, shrapnel flying everywhere and just shooting blindly for dear life! I love this so much... I hate fast arcade shooters and it's not really a rail shooter if you actually have to use tactics to achieve something...

That.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Friedrich on June 24, 2014, 01:37:34 pm
They goal on this mod is not to get kills, the goal is to hold flags or conquer flags. But most players are too stupid to realize this means to achieve that with teamplay and less individual skill. Imo it would be better, if kills wouldn't be displayed or at least not the offender in chat.
But this is a general problem of Warband: it is rewarding only for kills. Not for kill aids, smart tactical moves or strategic thinking. And most players have spiritualized this kill thinking.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: lolman1c on June 24, 2014, 05:07:42 pm
They goal on this mod is not to get kills, the goal is to hold flags or conquer flags. But most players are too stupid to realize this means to achieve that with teamplay and less individual skill. Imo it would be better, if kills wouldn't be displayed or at least not the offender in chat.
But this is a general problem of Warband: it is rewarding only for kills. Not for kill aids, smart tactical moves or strategic thinking. And most players have spiritualized this kill thinking.

Plus nobody goes medic as you don't get points for it.... Stuff like that! As an officer I would always come at the bottom of the scoreboard but without my leadership my team might lose many of the round we won. People really need to understand this but most people want to be the badass soldier and be in charge. This is a problem we have had in regiments. People joined but then hated it because they couldn't be a top officer within a week...
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: super_ninja185 on July 09, 2014, 08:46:13 am
Are there any Regiments for IE anymore? If so I will see if i can get some event going. I really loved the events for IE and I am willing to try to bring IE back to life. Add me on steam if interested
https://steamcommunity.com/id/super_ninja185/
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Pafldings on July 12, 2014, 10:26:03 am
Yes, there are still some active regiments. :) Also my regiment, added you on Steam.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Miller on July 26, 2014, 08:10:03 am
God speed iron Europe!
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: OttoFIN on July 26, 2014, 08:25:48 pm
Someone make D-Day map and host WW1 Omaha beach event, that will bring shizzle loads popularity.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: lolman1c on July 27, 2014, 06:48:39 pm
Someone make D-Day map and host WW1 Omaha beach event, that will bring shizzle loads popularity.

I tried to do this but half way through I got called stupid by everyone and they all said it would never work. I was going to make it a siege but in the end the boats just wouldn't work with the fire power from the game. In my tests nobody could leave the harbour without getting shot down.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: usnavy30 on July 27, 2014, 06:52:44 pm
Someone make D-Day map and host WW1 Omaha beach event, that will bring shizzle loads popularity.

I tried to do this but half way through I got called stupid by everyone and they all said it would never work. I was going to make it a siege but in the end the boats just wouldn't work with the fire power from the game. In my tests nobody could leave the harbour without getting shot down.
Interesting, do you have video footage of this map test?
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Commissar Jdf on July 27, 2014, 06:58:52 pm
It's hard to run an event when the game can't handle it. 300 people that day had to be turned down, I'm sure it was the same on the EU side.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: lolman1c on July 27, 2014, 11:20:37 pm
Someone make D-Day map and host WW1 Omaha beach event, that will bring shizzle loads popularity.

I tried to do this but half way through I got called stupid by everyone and they all said it would never work. I was going to make it a siege but in the end the boats just wouldn't work with the fire power from the game. In my tests nobody could leave the harbour without getting shot down.
Interesting, do you have video footage of this map test?

No, sorry. I ended up turning it into an Italian campaign in the Alps map. No body ever used it though as everyone left the game.

Here is footage I made for the event. 

Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7-lzGD3Q6A&list=UUClQ6SmSracO16VtgsRQ7_g
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Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: DanyEle on July 28, 2014, 09:50:33 am
Someone make D-Day map and host WW1 Omaha beach event, that will bring shizzle loads popularity.

I tried to do this but half way through I got called stupid by everyone and they all said it would never work. I was going to make it a siege but in the end the boats just wouldn't work with the fire power from the game. In my tests nobody could leave the harbour without getting shot down.
Interesting, do you have video footage of this map test?

No, sorry. I ended up turning it into an Italian campaign in the Alps map. No body ever used it though as everyone left the game.

Here is footage I made for the event. 

Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7-lzGD3Q6A&list=UUClQ6SmSracO16VtgsRQ7_g
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Good job on the map and the video. I've always wanted to have an Italian alps map, so I tried and created an Alps map when i first started working on Iron Europe, but it ended up with being a very poorly made map. So i just coded in maps made by others. For the next patch, a few new maps could make a good addition. If you'd like to contribute to Iron Europe with your mapping skills, please do let me know.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: OttoFIN on July 28, 2014, 12:38:26 pm
I've been making some maps for fun for a while, I guess I will TRY to make D-Day.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: OttoFIN on July 28, 2014, 12:56:14 pm
ModDB download link doesn't work for me, anyone know any links?
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Rival on July 28, 2014, 01:20:21 pm
Try off talesworld.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: lolman1c on July 28, 2014, 07:43:11 pm
Spoiler
Someone make D-Day map and host WW1 Omaha beach event, that will bring shizzle loads popularity.

I tried to do this but half way through I got called stupid by everyone and they all said it would never work. I was going to make it a siege but in the end the boats just wouldn't work with the fire power from the game. In my tests nobody could leave the harbour without getting shot down.
Interesting, do you have video footage of this map test?

No, sorry. I ended up turning it into an Italian campaign in the Alps map. No body ever used it though as everyone left the game.

Here is footage I made for the event. 

Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7-lzGD3Q6A&list=UUClQ6SmSracO16VtgsRQ7_g
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Good job on the map and the video. I've always wanted to have an Italian alps map, so I tried and created an Alps map when i first started working on Iron Europe, but it ended up with being a very poorly made map. So i just coded in maps made by others. For the next patch, a few new maps could make a good addition. If you'd like to contribute to Iron Europe with your mapping skills, please do let me know.
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I would love to give you the map to look at. I might have to edit it a bit because right now it is a siege map. It's not meant to be played as a traditional siege though. There is very little defense other than the mountains them selves. The time it take for the attackers to get there is extra long and was meant to be played with only 2 rounds. If I edited it into a team death match or battle it would be a great map for hiding and dodging about. What do you think?
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Karth on July 28, 2014, 09:21:53 pm
I have a D-Day Map for Omaha Beach for NW

Spoiler
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/85971877/Normandy/Landing%203.jpg)
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Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: lolman1c on July 28, 2014, 09:29:05 pm
I have a D-Day Map for Omaha Beach for NW

Spoiler
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/85971877/Normandy/Landing%203.jpg)
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Do the boats work though? It isn't cool without the official boat stage where everyone is tense. I suppose now I think about it I could have a giant 1 way invisible wall. i'm thinking of making a training map for all regiments to use. Try to make it look like an actual ww1 training sight. Will get back to you on that if I ever take it up again.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Olafson on July 28, 2014, 10:40:27 pm
DDay is so stupid and boring. Cant you imagine anything else?

Make a gallipoli map. That would make sense, fit the era and would be more fun than this shit. Seriously. Stupid DDAY everywhere.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Dom13WorstNW on July 28, 2014, 10:49:40 pm
sry Olafson

we will try better next time
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Commissar Jdf on July 28, 2014, 11:11:39 pm
sry Olafson

we will try better next time

shut up Tennessee 
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Olafson on July 28, 2014, 11:39:07 pm
Just saying. I like to rage about that kind of stuff.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Desert Thunda on July 29, 2014, 05:31:59 am
Just saying. I like to rage about that kind of stuff.

If it makes you feel better you can mute me and express your rage  ;D
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Rigadoon on July 29, 2014, 05:55:54 am
Olafson makes a good point though. Why make an unfitting D-Day map when you can make one of a Gallipoli landing? Many were similar to the D-Day landings and it's actually WWI.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: OttoFIN on July 29, 2014, 09:43:16 am
Someone make a Gallipoli landing then.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: Nipplestockings on July 29, 2014, 09:57:31 am
As I never played IE I don't know what maps there are at all - is there a Verdun map? It would be cool if someone were to make a nicely done version of it.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: SeanBeansShako on July 29, 2014, 02:54:20 pm
Someone make a Gallipoli landing then.

Nope. If you are going to do a landing scenario, doing something like this makes a lot more sense. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeebrugge_Raid)
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: SeanBeansShako on July 29, 2014, 02:56:25 pm
EDIT: They were dealt with, mods remove this post.
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: lolman1c on July 29, 2014, 08:32:37 pm
I have no idea how the map would work unless we remodeled the ships into ww1 transport vessels to give a little more cover. It's hard as the vast majority of ww1 was land battles. Even a historian like myself who has studied ww1 many time and even went to a large conference yesterday I listened to lecture after lecture with nobody talking about naval to land battles. (apart from the bombardment of Scarbour and stuff)
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: EdwardC on August 13, 2014, 10:46:13 pm
I hope for a rebirth in 2.0
Title: Re: Iron Europe died so Fast
Post by: DanyEle on August 14, 2014, 11:15:45 am
Iron Europe isn't dead nor has died. Topic locked.