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Age of Napoleon mod will be used Fridays chaps new maps and Napoleonic Wars remakes in progress game modes may vary on the night with our without conflicting event/s.

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`Friday OC session Servers:`
OC_7pm_Friday_Commander_MOV_AUS1
OC_7pm_Friday_PvP_MOV_AUS2

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                              Men Of Valor- Battle Cry OC Friday Public Skirmish / Battle
                   We are willing to accommodate any & all new mods to the BCoF game inorder to encompasse an cater to a  wider playerbase with varying interests.



                      Hosted by the 10th Mississippi Infantry A.K.A the 10th Royal Marines formed July 14th 2012
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"Baron_Baanus: no i dont find it hard to believe, the first thing people like HIKKUPZ do when they come from a low socioeconomic substance abusing culture is to form a pact forged with reassurance and belonging based on manipulation through a series of closeness with abuse thrown in.  Its like the beaten wife syndrome, sure you know its wrong and don't always like it, but you wont leave."

  Thank you with all my heart for banning me in 2012 from LCC/Glovine/NW_Official_AUS in 2012-you made the community better overall with us hosting
- Lord_HIKKUPZ
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MEETING TIMES:
Men Of Valor Discord https://discord.gg/6xKRdDu
Public players join the discord to find a regiment or play alongside the 10th Royal Marines
     
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Held 1hr 30-1hr 45 minutes early to allow for "existing events & password reveals"   
Minimum of 3-5 soldiers attending to request specialist classes
Only one regiment representative is needed from each regiment to liase via voice & interact with other leadership
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         Thursday/Friday NA/SA 1030pm HAWAII / 130am PACIFIC California / 330am Mexico City MX/ 430amEST New York/ 530am Argentina
         Friday EU/OC/ASIA 930am London GMT / 1030am  Germany + France / 430pm Perth WAST + Singapore SP +
                                            Beijiing CN + Indonesia /530pm Seoul KOR + Tokyo JP / 630pm QLD+NSW / 830pm NZ/


Event start approximate Timings:
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[to allow for "existing events & password reveals"]
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         Thursday/Friday NA/SA 11pm HAWAII/ 2am PACIFIC California / 4am Mexico City MX / 5am EST New York / 6am Argentina
         Friday EU/OC/ASIA 10am London GMT / 11am  Germany + France / 5pm Perth WAST+ Singapore SP +
                                               Beijiing CN + Indonesia /6pm Seoul KOR + Tokyo JP / 7pm QLD+NSW/ 9pmNZ/



RULES: 

        It is the responsibility of Officers and the NCO's of the regiment to make sure
         That ALL regiment members abide by these rules


General Rules:
All rules presented here are for typical events. Rules may change by admin discretion and you will be advised if this happens before or during the battle. Admins will attempt to warn you if you are breaching these rules before resorting to further punishments. Regardless, all admin decisions and instructions must be followed/accepted above all else. They are final. This includes the Auto Admin script as numbers do not lie but humans do.

Lines:
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To participate in a battle as an independent regiment line you must have at least three (3) players in regimental tags or mercenary tags appropriate for that regiment. At any time, throughout the battle you may split a line into smaller individual lines, as long as each still abides by the minimum of three (3) players in it.
During a battle, any players found to be in a line of less than three (3) will be asked to find a friendly line to join at their earliest convenience. (i.e. immediately) If this line is of a different role than the one assigned to a player they must continue to abide by the rules specified by their assigned role. (e.g. a line infantry player does not get to shoot like a skirmisher if forced to join a skirmisher line.)
Any player found to be without correct tags will be asked to leave and change them. Non-compliance may be punished with up to a ban. Any player found to have fake/impersonating tags may be banned without warning. All user id's [guid] are databased since 2012-now and added to weekly after events logs are scooped. I personally know the names of all players attached to their game id associated with any MOV server they joined since 2012-now
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Movement:
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When moving as a line it is best practice to move in formation. While this is not enforced, it is both practical for speed of assembling to shoot and looks great. This is what you're here for, the columns, the battle lines, the flying V's.
That being said, you must be at all times within twenty five (25) man spacing of a friendly unit or you will be considered "Rambo", and can be punished with up to a slay if you are not actively trying to find a friendly line. This expires after 30 seconds when AUTO Admin is [on] and you shall deal no damage after 30 seconds but recieve it so continue the charge or break off and regroup within minimum 3 man rules.
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Garrison:
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Garrison is the act of a line occupying a building. A building is any feature of a map with enclosed walls and a roof. A line may not garrison a building. Artillery crew may send one (1) ranker into a building to man a cannon fixed there. A line may enter a building to remove an enemy artillery crewman, but must still follow all normal rules while inside and leave immediately after doing so. Any player found to be garrisoning a building can be punished with up to a slay. Being on top of a roof of a building is also considered garrison unless otherwise stated by the admin.
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Shooting:
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All lines must abide by the shooting rules for their role. This will invariably be the minimum spacing required between members of a line to fire their weapons. Any breach of these spacing rules will be considered as "Firing Out of Line" (FOL) and may be punished with up to a slay. Such a breach while also outside the twenty five (25) man spacing distance that is considered "Rambo" will have a higher likelihood of being punished more severely.
Additionally, a line may continue to shoot as normal, even if some of its players are in melee combat, as long as the shooting players still abide by the appropriate spacing rules.
Any line may reload their weapons as long as they are within the standard twenty five (25) man spacing of a friendly player. Whilst reloading while in formation is encouraged, it is not strictly enforced.
Refer to the "Roles" section for spacing rules.
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Melee:
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A line fighting in hand-to-hand combat must do so in a way as to keep within the minimum twenty five (25) man spacing used for movement. Any player fighting in melee outside of this spacing will be considered "Rambo" and may be punishable with up to a slay.
If a player finds themselves cut off from their line or is the last man standing in their line they will be considered "Rambo" and must immediately break off combat and attempt to rejoin a friendly line. Failing to do so may be accidental and so will not be punished as harshly as a regular "Rambo".
Cavalry often spread out whilst fighting from horseback so against other mounted players they may fight within forty (40) man spacing of a friendly player. They will be considered "Rambo" if they stray outside of the twenty five (25) man spacing used to determine "Rambo" whilst fighting infantry however. It is therefore advisable for cavalry lines to make coordinated attacks against single enemy lines to reduce the risk of spreading out of the maximum spacing.
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Kneeling:
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A player in a line may kneel only under the following circumstances:
- They are behind (within two (2) man spacing of) sapper deployable cover. These can be built during the round or preplaced on the map. (Includes: Earthworks, gabions, Chaveaux de fris, planks, fences, spikes, explosive crates)
- They are in multiple ranks. A rank is defined as a line standing within a half (1/2) man spacing in front of or behind another line. One (1) rank may crouch, as long as there are a greater or equal numbers of players in the standing rank.
- They are classified as the skirmisher role.
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Weapons:
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A player may use any weapon they spawn with or find throughout the course of a round, however using a weapon belonging to another role (e.g. a rifle) does not confer that role on the player picking up the weapon so the same spacing rules apply for firing.

The following weapons do not count as FOL despite being ranged weapons: Bottle, Pistols.
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Roles:
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All roles but "Line infantry" are classified as specialist roles. Specialist role classes may only be taken by players or mercenaries wearing the tags of the regiment assigned that specialist role in the pre-battle meeting. Any player found to be using a class of a specialist role not assigned to their regiment will be punished with up to a slay.
Unless otherwise specified, a specialist role may only have up to sixteen (16) players of that class/es type, although some leniency is applied if a line has one (1) or two (2) over. Officers, musicians, sergeants etc. all count toward the maximum number of the specialist role's class/es type. Any line found to have over the maximum of sixteen (16) specialist class/es will be asked to form a separate line of line infantry to reduce specialist role numbers.
Any regiment assigned a specialist role may choose not to field all their players as that role and can thus form a line of line infantry in addition to a line of their assigned role.
Any regiment may allow another regiment to don mercenary tags and join them in their assigned specialist role, as long as the maximums for that role are not exceeded. Such mercenaries must be tagged as being part of the assigned regiment before the battle begins.
It is expected that a regiment is to be able to fill at least half (1/2) of the maximum players allowed as classes in their assigned specialist role. If they cannot, they may be at a disadvantage to the opposing team. It is therefore requested that sufficient regiment numbers be confirmed before requesting a specialist role. Should less than half the maximum be available, the assigned regiment should consider fielding mercenaries from another regiment to make up numbers.
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Skirmishers:
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The skirmisher role encompasses the light infantry and riflemen classes. These two (2) classes alone are considered to be skirmishers at all times. You may not field another class (e.g. Footguard) as a skirmisher. This role may fire their weapons within five (5) man spacing of one another. This role may also kneel outside of the normal kneeling conditions.
A skirmisher, if forced to join another line may still perform their role as a skirmisher whilst attached to said line. They may fire as long as they are within the standard five (5) man spacing of a friendly line.
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Cavalry:
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The cavalry role encompasses any horse mounted class who is not also part of the artillery classes. Cavalry may ride and attack together as dictated by the movement and melee sections. Cavalry are also permitted to fire their weapons from horseback if they are within three (3) horse widths of another friendly mounted player. (Roughly equivalent to five (5) man spacing.) This means a cavalry line may fire whilst moving on horseback but only if they can maintain this spacing.
When dismounted, cavalry classes are treated as line infantry and therefore must adhere to line infantry spacing requirements.
If a cavalry line is reduced to 2 or less mounted players, all remaining mounted players must dismount immediately. Any player who does not dismount when required can be punished with up to a slay. This can happen accidentally during a melee engagement and thus players will be warned by an admin before further action is taken.
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Artillery:
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The artillery role is split into three (3) sub-roles: Artillery Crew, Artillery Guard and Sapper. A regiment assigned the artillery role may field up to the full complement of each subgroup for every 70 players in the battle. (e.g. A total of two (2) arty crews, four (4) arty guards and two (2) sappers if there are over one-hundred and forty (140) people participating in the battle.) There will be no leniency for additional numbers with artillery crew.
As always, the final decision of the amount of artillery role permitted is at the admin’s discretion.
Additionally, all classes in the artillery role have the same rule set as the skirmishers role, albeit with much smaller allowed maximum numbers.

Artillery Crew:
The artillery crew sub-role is made up of a combination of the artillery classes. (Train, Ranker and Officer) An artillery crew is made up of up to two (2) rankers, one (1) train carrying either cannon or howitzer and one (1) officer. While all of these classes can operate artillery pieces, only one may be "in use" at a time. This means a team should fire no more than one piece per artillery crew allowed, within the time it takes load and fire a single piece. The punishment for breaking these rules can be up to a slay.
The United Kingdom faction may elect to bring an artillery crew consisting of two (2) rockets instead of the normal complement of four (4) artillery crew.

Artillery Guard:
The artillery guard sub-role consists of a complement up to two (2) skirmisher class players tasked with defending the artillery crew. Again, all artillery sub-roles can use skirmisher 5 man spacing and crouching rules. This means up to four (4) may be fielded when two (2) complements of the artillery role are permitted.

Sapper:
The sapper sub-role is a single (1) sapper class, tasked with building defenses for the artillery. These defenses may take any form and may include defenses for other nearby lines. When two (2) complements of the artillery role are permitted two (2) sappers in total can be taken by the assigned regiment.
The number of points a sapper is permitted to build with will be determined before the battle and will likely be doubled if multiple artillery complements are permitted. The default is forty (40) points.
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Line infantry:
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Any line/regiment not assigned a specialist role from the prebattle meeting is considered line infantry. Line infantry may be any class that is not associated with a specialist role, such use of specialist classes as line infantry (e.g. light infantry class) is forbidden and can be punishable with up to a slay. Line infantry can only fire whilst shoulder-to-shoulder with another friendly player in a minimum line of three (3) players. Some leniency will be given with regards to spacing, although anything greater than half (1/2) man spacing will be considered FOL.
A line infantry line of a regiment also assigned a specialist role may not take the place of a specialist class that dies in that line. (e.g. a skirmisher or arty guard dying) If they start a round as line infantry they remain so for the entire round.
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Teamkilling/Trolling/Griefing:
Team damage happens. It's part of the chaos of battle. Accidental team kills/damage is part of the game and serves as a deterrent to reckless attacks into melee. However, intentional team damage/killing can sometimes occur. Should a player or players intentionally team damage/kill they can be punished with up to a ban.
The same goes for trolling/griefing. The definition of this is very broad but it is very obvious when it happens. If enough of a single regiment is involved, the entire regiment will potentially be banned.

Event Application/admin contact



       
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   [b]Regiment Name:[/b]
         [b]Regiment Nationality(or say international):[/b]
         [b]Commanding Officer/Subordinate Officers Steam (URL):[/b]
         [b]Estimated Participants:[/b]
         [b]expected Unit request
            (if not Line= finalised @ meeting
            730pm est New York via dice roll):[/b]
         [b]Would you like to schedule weekly participation?:[/b]
         [b]Have you read and agreed to the rules of the event:[/b]
         [b]Have you joined the Men Of Valor discord?  https://discord.gg/6xKRdDu [/b]

         Discord https://discord.gg/6xKRdDu
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Events: OC / Re: ---OC/CN/ASIA--- The Chinese Community's events.
« on: April 22, 2022, 08:40:24 am »
INDEED WEEKLY SUNDAYS OC 7pm Sydney MOV_AUS1. Also check out our Battle Cry of Freedom events Fridays 7pm Sydney MOV_AUS1

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Event still active in 2022 signups in 2hrs join the MOV discord-we also host Fridays OC Battle Cry of Freedom skirmishes in SYDNEY 7pm NSW start/9pm NZ start public welcome

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Regiments (Game Clans) / Re: 18th New York Militia
« on: February 24, 2022, 04:17:39 am »
god speed & good luck johhny mewo!

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Place holder as a badmin scrubbed the original post 10th Mississippi Infantry global recruitment global event attendance & hosting-wait for actual post to be redone here & join the MOV DISCORD asap players/recruits/reg leaders & reps

Friday EVENT TIME:
10am London GMT / 11am  Germany + France / 5pm Perth WAST+ Singapore SP + Beijiing CN + Indonesia /6pm Seoul KOR + Tokyo JP / 7pm QLD+NSW/ 9pmNZ

Friday EVENT Discord:
https://discord.gg/6xKRdDu

Friday EVENT Server:
MOV_Main_AUS1

FSE.COM forums thread for event:
--not applicable----

Events Steam Group:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/MENOFVALORGAMING
Admin Contacts:
@10thMS_Captain_HIKKUPZ   @Thomanator @MOV_Z'Apelord   https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198007287769/ https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198053354541/

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News & Announcements / Re: Developer Blog 46 - Steam Store Page
« on: July 05, 2021, 12:41:31 pm »
PLEASE give us dedicated server files so that the community can explore its next generation / evolve from its Napoleonic Wars : Warband form into its true BCOF Civil War form.

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Happy Independence Day to our North American counterparts & descendants hope to see you in future events Saturdays! We took  the night off in homage of the AMERICAN DREAm - never give it up and STAND FOR YOUR ANTHEM dammit!


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Event Application
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Regiment Name:
         Regiment Nationality(or say international):
         Commanding Officer/Subordinate Officers Steam (URL):
         Estimated Participants:
         expected Unit request
            (if not Line= finalised @ meeting
            730pm est New York via dice roll):

         Would you like to schedule weekly participation?:
         Have you read and agreed to the rules of the event:
         Have you joined the Men Of Valor discord?  https://discord.gg/6xKRdDu

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SPECIALISTS still available so join the MOV discord to participate in "actual meetings on the day of event"

Week 9/Event 9 for 2021 this SATURDAY 3rd JULY

THIS EVENT IS ACTIVE! Saturday 9:15pm NA start weekly


EVENT Meeting begins at 7:30pm NA join the Discord to request Specialists or simply join the event after HMs_Royal concludes

Men Of Valor Discord https://discord.gg/6xKRdDu
Public players join the discord to find a regiment or play alongside the 10th Royal Marines

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AFTER BATTLE REPORTS for @NA/ event on Saturday 26th June 2021/Sunday morning OC

Come to the meetings and request specialists in real time with a dice roll no UNFAIR 1st in on the forums "x" days in advance.

43+-/200 Players Average/Peak thank you all in attendance even those that just showed up with no idea what was happening!
Events will continue as usual Saturday nights NA/SA = Sundays morning OC through 2021

Regiments in attendance
**----France---**
@[61e] Artillery
- Cavalry
@[61e] Skirmishers
@[61e] Line Infantry
 Line Infantry + public players

**----Russia----**
@[6teSLR Artillery
- Cavalry
@6L Skirmishers
@[MOV] 10th Royal Marines Line Infantry + public players

MOV_Main_NA_TX1| France vs Russia | Artillery: 61e vs 6te | Cavalry: ? vs ?| Skirms: 61e vs 6L | Lines:  61e vs 10thRM + public players

Map 1/3 Random Desert Forest Medium




Map 2 La Haye Saint
Mycool is eating a meat pie with no sauce and gets the line zippered as he orders V formation too late






Map 3/3 Spanish Village




map 3/3 score boards still an active 43+-/200 as the event was smaller alot more fun was had in intense fire fights and melee with less time spectating dead.




Warmup map Thommanator & HIKKUPZ Simpsons SPRINGFIELD 2018
The School BUs and Springfield Elementary can both be entered/sit down inside etc


The Aztec Theatre no scrreening: NIght of the D-DOS. CInema is 2 storey can be entered



Duff Brewary can be entered is 2 level 4 storeys tall


The Church is 2 storeys and is common gorund for intense RP and speeches from the pulpit


The Town Hall can be entered


Amusement Arcade has an assortment of displays to amuse


A birds eye view of town theres loads more places that can be entered and explored that were not highlighted above


"Baron_Baanus: no i don't find it hard to believe, the first thing people like HIKKUPZ do when they come from a low socioeconomic substance abusing culture is to form a pact forged with reassurance and belonging based on manipulation through a series of closeness with abuse thrown in.  Its like the beaten wife syndrome, sure you know its wrong and don't always like it, but you wont leave."

  Thank you with all my heart for banning me in 2012 from LCC/Glovine/NW_Official_AUS -you made the community better overall with us hosting
- Lord_HIKKUPZ

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AFTER BATTLE REPORTS for @NA/ event on Saturday 19th June 2021/Sunday morning OC

Come to the meetings and request specialists in real time with a dice roll no UNFAIR 1st in on the forums "x" days in advance.


53+-/200 Players Average/Peak thank you all in attendance even those that just showed up with no idea what was happening!
Events will continue as usual Saturday nights NA/SA = Sundays morning OC through 2021

Regiments in attendance
**----France---**
@[61e] Artillery
@[61e] Cavalry
- Skirmishers
@[61e] Line Infantry
@6L Line Infantry + public players

**----Russia----**
@Roi Artillery
@[6teSLR Cavalry
- Skirmishers
@1stNAS Line Infantry
@[MOV] 10th Royal Marines Line In fantry + public players

MOV_Main_NA_TX1| France vs Russia | Artillery: 61e vs Roi | Cavalry: 61e vs 6teSLR  | Skirms: ? vs ? | Lines:  61e + 6L +  Public  vs 1st[NAS] + 10thRM + Public

Map 1/3 Random Desert Forest Medium





Score Boards map 1 round 3 -53 active players could be better could be worse on Fathers Day weekend NA/Sa


Map 2/3 French Farm 

6te adds a line of bots to spice it up and even cav  on field vs 61e



10th Royal Marines trying to flank the 61e arty


Tripled on the approach




The farm house becomes a siege




the wall is breached by the 61e arty and the frennch flood the courtyard.



Map 2 round 3 score boards


Map German Village


OOF




"Baron_Baanus: no i don't find it hard to believe, the first thing people like HIKKUPZ do when they come from a low socioeconomic substance abusing culture is to form a pact forged with reassurance and belonging based on manipulation through a series of closeness with abuse thrown in.  Its like the beaten wife syndrome, sure you know its wrong and don't always like it, but you wont leave."

  Thank you with all my heart for banning me in 2012 from LCC/Glovine/NW_Official_AUS -you made the community better overall with us hosting
- Lord_HIKKUPZ

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Event info so far we begin at 9:15pm NA est / 10pm Argentina Saturdays MOV_Main_NA_TX1 public and regiments may attend as line infantry only unless they ask for specials


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THIS EVENT IS ACTIVE! Saturday 9:15pm NA start weekly
Week 8/Event 8 for 2021 this SATURDAY NA----

SPECIALISTS still availabale so join the MOV discord to participate in "actual meetings on the day of event"
 
EVENT Meeting begins at 7:30pm NA join the Discord to request Specialists or simply join the event after HMs_Royal concludes
MEETING TIMES:
Men Of Valor Discord https://discord.gg/6xKRdDu
Public players join the discord to find a regiment or play alongside the 10th Royal Marines
     
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Held 1hr 30-1hr 45 minutes early to allow for "existing events & password reveals"   
Minimum of 3-5 soldiers attending to request specialist classes
Only one regiment representative is needed from each regiment to liase via voice & interact with other leadership
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         Saturday/Sabado NA/SA 130pm HAWAII / 430pm PACIFIC California / 630pm Mexico City MX/ 730pmEST New York/ 830pm Argentina
         Sunday EU/OC/ASIA 1230am London GMT / 130am  Germany + France / 730am Perth WAST + Singapore SP +
                                            Beijiing CN + Indonesia /830am Seoul KOR + Tokyo JP /930am QLD+NSW/1130am NZ/


Event start approximate Timings:
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[to allow for "existing events & password reveals"]
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         Saturday/Sabado NA/SA 3-315pmHAWAII/6-615pm PACIFIC California/8-815pm Mexico City MX/ 9-15pmEST New York/ 10-1015pm Argentina
         Sunday EU/OC/ASIA 230am London GMT / 300am  Germany + France / 9-915am Perth WAST+ Singapore SP +
                                               Beijiing CN + Indonesia /10-1015am Seoul KOR + Tokyo JP /11-1115am QLD+NSW/1pm-115pmNZ/


EVENT Discord:
https://discord.gg/6xKRdDu

Event Application
---------------------   
Regiment Name:
         Regiment Nationality(or say international):
         Commanding Officer/Subordinate Officers Steam (URL):
         Estimated Participants:
         expected Unit request
            (if not Line= finalised @ meeting
            730pm est New York via dice roll):

         Would you like to schedule weekly participation?:
         Have you read and agreed to the rules of the event:
         Have you joined the Men Of Valor discord?  https://discord.gg/6xKRdDu

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AFTER BATTLE REPORTS for @NA/ event on Saturday 12th June 2021/Sunday morning OC

Come to the meetings and request specialists in real time with a dice roll no UNFAIR 1st in on the forums "x" days in advance.


77+-/200 Players Average/Peak thank you all in attendance even those that just showed up with no idea what was happening!
Events will continue as usual Saturday nights NA/SA = Sundays morning OC through 2021



Regiments in attendance
**----UK---**
@[6L] Artillery
@[3e] Cavalry
@6te Skirmishers
@[61e] Line Infantry
@2e Line Infantry + public players

**----France----**
@[61e] Artillery
@[61e] Cavalry
@1stRM Skirmishers
@1stNAS
@[MOV] 10th Royal Marines Line In fantry+ public players

MOV_Main_NA_TX1| UK vs France | Artillery: 6L vs 61e | Cavalry: 3e vs 61e | Skirms: 6te vs 1stRM | Lines:  public players vs 1stNAS + 10thRM + Public players


Map 1/3 Random Desert Forest Medium

Teams Deploy round 2







Map 2/3 Countryside Day 

77 active/200 players round 2 score boards


61e gets bloody shredded with cannister point blanked by 6L


1stRM is already dead by this point as the 10thRM slowly gets chopped up also




Map 3/3 HIKKUPZ Creek 2015

a great example of skirmisher formations within 5 man spacing to avoid committing FOL Rule Break by the 6teSLR.


A quick dash across the creek edge to the bridge





61e sweeps the market and BUm Rushes the 6L Taco Stand


All Mycool ever wanted was to sell Fish & Chips at his stall







Repeated assaults on the rooftop held by the 6teSLR by the 61e, 1stRM & 10thRM are all repulsed and the 6te stands its gorund at bayonet point.



Thank you all players & regiments that attend the PUBLIC Field Battle weekly or whenever they like. With your patronage together we will build up the PUBLIC Saturday night event.

Gladiator Arena 2013 final warmup map


"Baron_Baanus: no i don't find it hard to believe, the first thing people like HIKKUPZ do when they come from a low socioeconomic substance abusing culture is to form a pact forged with reassurance and belonging based on manipulation through a series of closeness with abuse thrown in.  Its like the beaten wife syndrome, sure you know its wrong and don't always like it, but you wont leave."

  Thank you with all my heart for banning me in 2012 from LCC/Glovine/NW_Official_AUS -you made the community better overall with us hosting
- Lord_HIKKUPZ

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