Why is this in "other games"?Because it's about the game of thrones. :P
Can we make it a rule that within 24 hours of the latest episode, we put everything in spoilers? We need to give people a fair chance to watch it without getting spoiled :)
Why is this in "other games"?My bad
Can we make it a rule that within 24 hours of the latest episode, we put everything in spoilers? We need to give people a fair chance to watch it without getting spoiled :)
What do you guys think about the whole Theon Greyjoy position, is he dead and gone? Or does he still stand a chance?
Theon Greyjoy is the most unlucky character of the books, his luck is even worse in the show!SpoilerTheon Greyjoy- I have burned it all...! Unknown Rescuer: Not everything my lord, there is still much more to burn![close]
Now for something actual instead of all this talking about spoilers :Dabout the latest episodeWho is the guy that re-captured Theon Greyjoy? Have we seen him before?[close]
Now for something actual instead of all this talking about spoilers :Dabout the latest episodeWho is the guy that re-captured Theon Greyjoy? Have we seen him before?[close]SpoilerI don't know, but it seems like he was just one of Bastard Bolton's henchmen who wanted some fame and recognition for recapturing Theon himself. One thing that I didn't understand though, why did he kill Bolton if he was on his side? Nothing like this happened in the books[close]
Yeah a disposable I guessedSpoilerOh for some reason I thought the guy who tried to rape him in the first was Bolton, but I guess he was just a random person.[close]
Starks and GrejoyHm. I don't really like that the writer likes to kill of the Stark family and letting the children be the only ones left -_- and Jon Snow who ain't really a Stark.
Another thing I don't like is when Theon Grejoy decides to just attack the stark family who earlier had been his family. And he did it for what ? His father that he had never spoken to before? Makes no since to me especially since Robb said that they where equal the day that he left for the Islands.[close]
He killed two farmer boys = douche bag.
And why would he need to prove himself to someone he didn't even know. Why couldn't he be happy with the life he got it's not like the starks treated him badly or anything.
SpoilerYeah but he still didn't know his father the first thing he does when he meets him is to attack the starks because his father that he barely knows doesn't like them.[close]
From last episode....SpoilerFuck Lord Bolton[close]
SpoilerJesus... that latest episode ruined my entire day.[close]
SpoilerSon, if you haven't read the books you don't know the true meaning of FEELS. I was legitimately shocked and I had to put the book down for a day or tweo to comprehend what the fuck I had just read. GRRM is a dick. Too bad I had it spoiled to me before I even read it. Oh well.[close]
SpoilerAhahahh! I've been waiting for this day since season 1! I finished the third book when I was 12, you don't know feels until you sit there crying in English exams mofo's![close]
SpoilerThese guys die in season 3Spoiler• Hoster Tully — Catelyn Tully Stark's father dies, leaving her brother Edmure as Lord of Riverrun. (UPDATE: Dead.)
• Lord Commander Jeor Mormont — Killed in a Night's Watch mutiny at Craster's keep. (UPDATE: Dead. Killed in Season 3, Episode 4: "And Now His Watch is Ended.")
• Craster — Killed in the Night's Watch mutiny. (UPDATE: Dead. Killed in Season 3, Episode 4: "And Now His Watch is Ended.")
• Balon Greyjoy — It's mentioned in the book that Balon died while crossing a bridge during a storm, leaving the Iron Islands up for grabs, with many potential heirs.
• King Robb Stark — Many Northmen and Freys die at the Red Wedding, the special name given to the wedding massacre at the Frey's stronghold, during the wedding of Edmure Tully to Roslin Frey. Robb is killed and Catelyn Stark gets her throat slit but she is brought back to life by Thoros of Myr, the red priest who also revived Lord Beric Dondarrion several times. She takes the name Lady Stoneheart and leads the Brotherhood Without Banners. We’re expecting the Red Wedding on Episode 9, "The Rains of Castamere."
• The Hound — Arya leaves him for dead in Saltpans.
• Ygritte — Jon Snow's special lady friend is killed when the wildlings attack The Wall. Jon doesn't kill her, but he is fighting on the side of the Night's Watch against Ygritte and her allies.
• King Joffrey — Yes, finally! This may be held for Season 4, but during Joffrey's wedding to Margaery Tyrell, he is poisoned and dies. Cersei blames Tyrion and Sansa, but they didn't do it.
• Lysa Arryn — Catelyn's sister is killed by Petyr Baelish, aka Littlefinger, when he pushes her out the Moon Door in the Vale.
• Prince Oberyn Martell of Dorne — Oberyn is killed in combat with The Mountain, when acting as Tyrion's champion. The Mountain is severely wounded, but he takes a longer time to die.
• Tywin Lannister — Tyrion is blamed for Joffrey's death, but he didn't do that one. He does do this one, though. He kills his own father while the lion lord is in the bathroom. How embarrassing!
• Shae — Tyrion also kills his "whore" mistress Shae in the books, right before killing his father, but the character of Shae is different on TV, so it's possible they'll change this and keep her alive.[close][close]
SpoilerJon Snow is a Targaryen[close]
SpoilerJon Snow is a Targaryen[close]Spoiler[close]SpoilerI am guessing that he is not really Ned starks bastard and the son of his sister who got reaped by Rhaegar[close]
SpoilerI was actually beginning to like Walder Frey as a bit of a corrupt rogue... I think of all of them I'm most pissed about Miss Pregnant Queeny & the Wolfeh dying, though the other starks were also a pretty huge loss.[close]
SpoilerMiss pregnant didn't die in the book, going to be very weird how they plan on fixing that in the series :/[close]
SpoilerI am glad that they killed Talisa in the red wedding,we no longer have to see her rat face.
PS: Her death was somewhat funny, the reaction to the stabbing was like a 80's horror show.[close]
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I didn't even know that last episode was the season finale until next week when I was excited for the next episode and I was disappointed. It just felt like any other episode, and they didn't seem to do all that much differently to make it a finale.Same here I was excited to see the new episode but there wasn't any. Then I realised how shitty the season finale was.
Well I suppose it was because this season and the next one both cover the same book so there's only so much closure they can give you without screwing up the order of events in the story and stuff. Still disappointing though.
Well I suppose it was because this season and the next one both cover the same book so there's only so much closure they can give you without screwing up the order of events in the story and stuff. Still disappointing though.SpoilerIn my opinion the murders at the wedding would've been a great season finale.
That is a real way to fuck the fans over and wait a year in even higher suspense[close]
Well I suppose it was because this season and the next one both cover the same book so there's only so much closure they can give you without screwing up the order of events in the story and stuff. Still disappointing though.SpoilerIn my opinion the murders at the wedding would've been a great season finale.
That is a real way to fuck the fans over and wait a year in even higher suspense[close]SpoilerI think they should have just had a super two hour episode where they merged the last two episodes to make it feel more like a finale. And they could have cut out a lot of stuff in the final episode, some of it felt like filler. Also was I the only one to think the final Dany scene was really badly done, and that it didn't feel good at all? Or maybe I don't like any of the dany scenes. Too heavily reliant on CGI which the show has never been good at, and the acting seems lacking.[close]
I haven't seen any of the tv show yet, I read all the books but I'm waiting until all the books are released and I can read them all before I watch it, is the tv show very accurate to the books so far?
I haven't seen any of the tv show yet, I read all the books but I'm waiting until all the books are released and I can read them all before I watch it, is the tv show very accurate to the books so far?
Eh, yeah it's kind of accurate but there are many things that I think they did wrong, or things that they left out that I definitely think should have been included. The show is worth a watch and I don't think you'll be all that disappointed, but prepare to be looking forward to your favorite scene in the books being represented on tv only for it never to show up.
Just bought the four latest books.. Nom nom can't wait to get my eyes on them....I'm gonna buy them tomorrow ;D ;D
I bought all books in English though. Even while I could get them in Dutch. The books I bought are:I'm not really sure if I should get them in Dutch or English.
A Clash of Kings
A Storm of Swords
A Feast for Crows
and A Dance with Dragons just 30,00 euro's not to bad.
I bought all books in English though. Even while I could get them in Dutch. The books I bought are:I'm not really sure if I should get them in Dutch or English.
A Clash of Kings
A Storm of Swords
A Feast for Crows
and A Dance with Dragons just 30,00 euro's not to bad.
I bought all books in English though. Even while I could get them in Dutch. The books I bought are:I'm not really sure if I should get them in Dutch or English.
A Clash of Kings
A Storm of Swords
A Feast for Crows
and A Dance with Dragons just 30,00 euro's not to bad.
I bought all books in English though. Even while I could get them in Dutch. The books I bought are:I'm not really sure if I should get them in Dutch or English.
A Clash of Kings
A Storm of Swords
A Feast for Crows
and A Dance with Dragons just 30,00 euro's not to bad.
Doesn't really matter. Lets pray to give us the 6th and 7th book before he die.
Does anyone else want a spinoff series after the base ASOIAF series is finished? There's soooo much he could write about - The Long Night, the Age of Heroes, Aegon's Conquest, etc. I especially want one about the long night, the stories in the books have always intrigued me.
If I say ive never seen this series before will I get banned? :-\
If I say ive never seen this series before will I get banned? :-\
You guys should check out Tales of Dunk and Egg, about one of the Aegons, you can get the PDF's online.
I don't see Lady Stoneheart on the cast list. I am not impressed! ;DWho cares, it's announced to be back! ;D
Has anyone here seen Game of Bones: Winter is Cumming?Why would I Game of Thrones itself can be considered a porno
BECAUSE MOAR PERNHas anyone here seen Game of Bones: Winter is Cumming?Why would I Game of Thrones itself can be considered a porno
It says 30th of March for me.https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151913590252734&set=a.93667012733.90163.74133697733&type=1&theater
Gotta refresh my memory of the story.
Gotta refresh my memory of the story.
Everyone dies.
Oops, ment to spoiler my bad pls no hurt me.
SpoilerThis may be stupid... ( Both because it may be painfully obvious or I'm just reading too far into things :'( ) but I had the impression the Jon Snow was the bastard child of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Mp8MzAjAY[/youtube]
"We believe they were sent to guard Rhaegar's lover - Lyanna of house Stark, Eddard's sister, while she was giving birth to Rhaegar's child"
"Did he promise her to take her child and raise him as one of his, under disguise of him being his bastard son - Jon Snow?"
^Video Desc
Please give me your two cents :-[[close]
Cough i went to school with the girl who played arya starkRiight.
I read the books... in fact I had to write a research paper on one yesterday! ;D:o what did you write about, discussion of whether or not Jon will live, the Hound is dead or not etc.?
Lel a Game of Thrones thread for the filthy casuals who watch the show instead of reading the series :P There better be a ASOIAF discussion thread... I cannot find one though.I'm waiting for all the books to be released (and subsequently read by me) before I watch any of the show, lets go make a cool-kid book thread 8)
So is this a show friendly thread? No book spoilers?
New season starts next week! :)
Just finished watching all three seasons as they're all available for download on Sky. The Rains of Castamere still makes me Q.Q although I read all the books first.More like the North gets rekd.
Still, the North remembers.
“Foes and false friends are all around me, Lord Davos. They infest my city like roaches, and at night I feel them crawling over me.” The fat man’s fingers coiled into a fist, and all his chins trembled. “My son Wendel came to the Twins a guest. He ate Lord Walder’s bread and salt, and hung his sword upon the wall to feast with his friends. And they murdered him. Murdered, I say, and may the Freys choke upon their fables. I drink with Jared, jape with Symond, promise Rhaegar the hand of my own beloved granddaughter…but never think that means I have forgotten. The north remembers, Lord Davos. The north remembers, and the mummer’s farce is almost done. My son is home.”
Let's face it, it will probably be a shit season with new/changed storylines by those two hacky showrunners ;/
Haven't seen it yet :(
I have to wait an extra day to see every episode because of my shitty internet and TV situation. Oh well.
Haven't seen it yet :(
I have to wait an extra day to see every episode because of my shitty internet and TV situation. Oh well.
That sucks! be wary of spoliers if you intend to check this thread frequently ;)
My Brother who has read the books said that this season is shaping up to be the best one yet!I read the books but I'm not sure how they sync up with the show, is it at the part where Ned Stark comes back from the dead, and along with Hodor teams up with Milli Vanilli to defeat the Lannisters in an international dance contest?
My Brother who has read the books said that this season is shaping up to be the best one yet!I read the books but I'm not sure how they sync up with the show, is it at the part where Ned Stark comes back from the dead, and along with Hodor teams up with Milli Vanilli to defeat the Lannisters in an international dance contest?
I think that'll come later in the season. From what I understand the all-kingdom orgy which was mandated by Tommen will be included in the last episode, accompanied by George R.R. Martin himself appearing as R'hllor and smiting Hodor mortally to avoid his ascention to the throne of New Valyria. I was however a little confused regarding their plans for depicting the Halloween Disco in the Red Keep. Is that going to be included as part of the overarching Other breakdancing sequence or will it be its own story ark?My Brother who has read the books said that this season is shaping up to be the best one yet!I read the books but I'm not sure how they sync up with the show, is it at the part where Ned Stark comes back from the dead, and along with Hodor teams up with Milli Vanilli to defeat the Lannisters in an international dance contest?
I'm looking forward to the pigeon pie, book readers ;)
I enjoyed the first episode.+1Spoilerbut not enough tywin in this episode :([close]
I wanna see da Hound get on dat Arya ass...mmmmmmm...sweet lovings.
This is the first season I'll watch and actually know what's going to happen since I read Storm of Swords :'(
I'm looking forward to the pigeon pie, book readers ;)
U heard me sweetieI wanna see da Hound get on dat Arya ass...mmmmmmm...sweet lovings.
This is the first season I'll watch and actually know what's going to happen since I read Storm of Swords :'(
what
It was Ned Stark, right?I'm looking forward to the pigeon pie, book readers ;)
Yeah... although here's an interesting thread on the topic, made me completely rethink things. Warning , extreme spoilers:Spoilerhttp://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/39116-who-poisoned-joffrey/[close]
I thought it did?
Really? He never out right said [redacted] did it. But he sure layed it pretty effing heavy.
Don't open unless read storm of swords.I thought she intentionally threw him off the wall when he showed her Tyrion's head on a spike.SpoilerDidn't Sansa kill Joffrey unknowingly?[close]
Please no more, use a spoiler and save a puppy. :'(
Still, you shouldn't do it. Some poor sap may actually believe you. :(
My slogan: DON'T READ? DON'T BREED.Bit harsh on blind people there m8 :-*
Really? He never out right said [redacted] did it. But he sure layed it pretty effing heavy.
Mmm, I thought so too, but apparently people have some other ideas. And knowing GRRM's often deceptive prose, those theories could be somewhat grounded.
I'm excited to see how they depict dat exotic wedding entertainment. Should be the most interesting part of the episode... among other things.
Joffrey's wedding best wedding, I felt sorry for Hodor though.I'm excited to see how they depict dat exotic wedding entertainment. Should be the most interesting part of the episode... among other things.
Is Joffery's wedding this episode?
I'm excited to see how they depict dat exotic wedding entertainment. Should be the most interesting part of the episode... among other things.
Is Joffery's wedding this episode?
Chicken.
Anyone watch tonight??
confirmedAnyone watch tonight??
Nope. Gonna watch it later after I finish my schoolwork. Can anyone confirm pigeon pies?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHJoj9IqeKgExactly how I felt
SpoilerSo what was it and who did it?
The Pie?
The Wine?
I think Joffrey was the only one that took a bite of the pie, must have been it. Can't possibly have been the wine, Tyrion used the flask that stood before his father and his sister and they were not harmed. I also don't think the Fool did it - Too easy! I think sturdy old Grandma did it.[close]
I believe we are meant to understand this, if not don't read it is the succession.SpoilerThe lannisters believe in the crown law of succession, with no heir it passes to Joffreys brother; Tommen; however the Tyrells are not eager to lose the crown so we will see this come into play.
Btw, the stone contained the poison.[close]
The series doesn't have to follow the books.
I never meant that it should spin-off entirely, but I'm sure there are a few deviations from the books.
It is just an assumption mind, I haven't read the books.
Same goes for that Rob's wife being killed. I swear that I read somewhere that she i supposed to be still alive.
Same goes for that Rob's wife being killed. I swear that I read somewhere that she i supposed to be still alive.
Same goes for that Rob's wife being killed. I swear that I read somewhere that she i supposed to be still alive.SpoilerThat's not a deviation. Throughout the books we were to believe she was actually dead until much, much later so yeah, the show accurately depicted that part.[close]
Same goes for that Rob's wife being killed. I swear that I read somewhere that she i supposed to be still alive.SpoilerThat's not a deviation. Throughout the books we were to believe she was actually dead until much, much later so yeah, the show accurately depicted that part.[close]SpoilerExcept in the show she was killed...[close]
SpoilerTo be fair, Jeyne isn't in this for God knows what reason. Why would they replace Jeyne Westerling with some random Volantene woman? But yeah, Jeyne in the books survives.[close]
SpoilerWell also in the book Bronn doesn't train Jamie fighting[close]
actually it's Ilyn Payne who killed Ned and the actor got cancer so that's why he isn't training him I think big Bronn fils the role very wellSpoilerWell also in the book Bronn doesn't train Jamie fighting[close]
Yeah, but that was probably because Janos was last seen in the first season when he cut off Ned's head, so it would be kind of weird to have him come back so suddenly for that.
actually it's Ilyn Payne who killed Ned and the actor got cancer so that's why he isn't training him I think big Bronn fils the role very wellSpoilerWell also in the book Bronn doesn't train Jamie fighting[close]
Yeah, but that was probably because Janos was last seen in the first season when he cut off Ned's head, so it would be kind of weird to have him come back so suddenly for that.
I'm staying out of this thread from now on. Half of these spoilers are actually book spoilers. I thought this was a TV thread. Thanks a lot, Skipper.
No there just retiring the character which could be a problem because he's sorta big lateractually it's Ilyn Payne who killed Ned and the actor got cancer so tSpoilerWell also in the book Bronn doesn't train Jamie fighting[close]
Yeah, but that was probably because Janos was last seen in the first season when he cut off Ned's head, so it would be kind of weird to have him come back so suddenly for that.
hat's why he isn't training him I think big Bronn fils the role very well
Gah, mixed up the names. And yeah, that would explain things :/
Are they planning on hiring a new actor for Ilyn, or will he just fade into antiquity? Doesn't really matter to me tbh, I'm alright with Bronn filling his role.
It was a pretty horrific episode. Starting with Ramsay hunting that girl.Would pay to see that... Neck part
Ending with Joffrey. God that shot of his face when he died made me feel sick.
Glad they did not show his nails ripping open his neck like is described in the book.
Fantastic episode, can't wait for ep 3 despite Dany being one of my least favourite characters.
I have no problem with Bronn getting more scenes. Jeromy Flynn (or however you spell it) is very entertaining in his portrayal of Bronn, and any extra scenes that are given to him that don't break the story is fine.
My theory is that Barristan the Bold is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, he'll kill Daenerys in a duel and ascend to the throne.That's impossible he's to old
Well, that's your opinion.My theory is that Barristan the Bold is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, he'll kill Daenerys in a duel and ascend to the throne.That's impossible he's to old
The more I know about the series, the more I regret not having read the books. And now it's too late (Cos I hate starting books I already know the end of). Siiiigh.
Library?
Not really, there are two authors writing it in consultation with Martin, I believe.
SpoilerMuch easier to controll by someone else unlike Jofrey (by his wife for example).[close]
I tried Vikings couldn't get into it acting wasn't good plus I already know the story of Ragnar :PWatch Spartacus then. I knew the story of that and it was still good. Season 1 at least.
Yea Spartacus was good I loved itI tried Vikings couldn't get into it acting wasn't good plus I already know the story of Ragnar :PWatch Spartacus then. I knew the story of that and it was still good. Season 1 at least.
Double post :P WARNING MASSIVE SPOILER DO NOT OPEN UNLESS READ ALL BOOKSDead.SpoilerSo I wanted to know your guys thoughts on Jon Snow's stabbing is he dead or alive thoughts?[close]
Double post :P WARNING MASSIVE SPOILER DO NOT OPEN UNLESS READ ALL BOOKSSpoilerSo I wanted to know your guys thoughts on Jon Snow's stabbing is he dead or alive thoughts?[close]
Double post :P WARNING MASSIVE SPOILER DO NOT OPEN UNLESS READ ALL BOOKSSpoilerSo I wanted to know your guys thoughts on Jon Snow's stabbing is he dead or alive thoughts?[close]SpoilerFour theories I've developed:
1. He's just dead and will fade into irrelevance
2. The Red Priestess will resurrect him and he'll be okay again. This would be lame and I'd be disappointed if GRRM decided to do this
3. He'll stay dead, and as he's lying overnight while they decide what to do with his body he'll rise as a white walker, as dead people tend to do at the wall. Maybe he'll be more sentient than other white walkers and go join Bran beyond the wall? I don't know exactly how it would work, but it'd be interesting
4. He'll merge entirely with Ghost and maintain his existence through his body. I'm not sure if his personality and humanity would remain with the transition, but judging by Bran's experience with his direwolf and Jon's few with Ghost it seems slightly unlikely. But again, maybe there's an exception if the human form of the warg relationship is killed[close]
Double post :P WARNING MASSIVE SPOILER DO NOT OPEN UNLESS READ ALL BOOKSSpoilerSo I wanted to know your guys thoughts on Jon Snow's stabbing is he dead or alive thoughts?[close]SpoilerFour theories I've developed:
1. He's just dead and will fade into irrelevance
2. The Red Priestess will resurrect him and he'll be okay again. This would be lame and I'd be disappointed if GRRM decided to do this
3. He'll stay dead, and as he's lying overnight while they decide what to do with his body he'll rise as a white walker, as dead people tend to do at the wall. Maybe he'll be more sentient than other white walkers and go join Bran beyond the wall? I don't know exactly how it would work, but it'd be interesting
4. He'll merge entirely with Ghost and maintain his existence through his body. I'm not sure if his personality and humanity would remain with the transition, but judging by Bran's experience with his direwolf and Jon's few with Ghost it seems slightly unlikely. But again, maybe there's an exception if the human form of the warg relationship is killed[close]SpoilerI disagree with your first theory i just think his story just isnt finished yet and if he dies then what POV character is at the wall.[close]
Double post :P WARNING MASSIVE SPOILER DO NOT OPEN UNLESS READ ALL BOOKSSpoilerSo I wanted to know your guys thoughts on Jon Snow's stabbing is he dead or alive thoughts?[close]SpoilerFour theories I've developed:
1. He's just dead and will fade into irrelevance
2. The Red Priestess will resurrect him and he'll be okay again. This would be lame and I'd be disappointed if GRRM decided to do this
3. He'll stay dead, and as he's lying overnight while they decide what to do with his body he'll rise as a white walker, as dead people tend to do at the wall. Maybe he'll be more sentient than other white walkers and go join Bran beyond the wall? I don't know exactly how it would work, but it'd be interesting
4. He'll merge entirely with Ghost and maintain his existence through his body. I'm not sure if his personality and humanity would remain with the transition, but judging by Bran's experience with his direwolf and Jon's few with Ghost it seems slightly unlikely. But again, maybe there's an exception if the human form of the warg relationship is killed[close]SpoilerI disagree with your first theory i just think his story just isnt finished yet and if he dies then what POV character is at the wall.[close]
Double post :P WARNING MASSIVE SPOILER DO NOT OPEN UNLESS READ ALL BOOKSSpoilerSo I wanted to know your guys thoughts on Jon Snow's stabbing is he dead or alive thoughts?[close]SpoilerFour theories I've developed:
1. He's just dead and will fade into irrelevance
2. The Red Priestess will resurrect him and he'll be okay again. This would be lame and I'd be disappointed if GRRM decided to do this
3. He'll stay dead, and as he's lying overnight while they decide what to do with his body he'll rise as a white walker, as dead people tend to do at the wall. Maybe he'll be more sentient than other white walkers and go join Bran beyond the wall? I don't know exactly how it would work, but it'd be interesting
4. He'll merge entirely with Ghost and maintain his existence through his body. I'm not sure if his personality and humanity would remain with the transition, but judging by Bran's experience with his direwolf and Jon's few with Ghost it seems slightly unlikely. But again, maybe there's an exception if the human form of the warg relationship is killed[close]SpoilerI disagree with your first theory i just think his story just isnt finished yet and if he dies then what POV character is at the wall.[close]SpoilerI don't find it particularly likely either. We'll just have to wait; who knows what GRRM has up his sleeve. He'll probably throw us a complete curve ball.[close]
Double post :P WARNING MASSIVE SPOILER DO NOT OPEN UNLESS READ ALL BOOKSSpoilerSo I wanted to know your guys thoughts on Jon Snow's stabbing is he dead or alive thoughts?[close]SpoilerFour theories I've developed:
1. He's just dead and will fade into irrelevance
2. The Red Priestess will resurrect him and he'll be okay again. This would be lame and I'd be disappointed if GRRM decided to do this
3. He'll stay dead, and as he's lying overnight while they decide what to do with his body he'll rise as a white walker, as dead people tend to do at the wall. Maybe he'll be more sentient than other white walkers and go join Bran beyond the wall? I don't know exactly how it would work, but it'd be interesting
4. He'll merge entirely with Ghost and maintain his existence through his body. I'm not sure if his personality and humanity would remain with the transition, but judging by Bran's experience with his direwolf and Jon's few with Ghost it seems slightly unlikely. But again, maybe there's an exception if the human form of the warg relationship is killed[close]SpoilerI disagree with your first theory i just think his story just isnt finished yet and if he dies then what POV character is at the wall.[close]SpoilerI don't find it particularly likely either. We'll just have to wait; who knows what GRRM has up his sleeve. He'll probably throw us a complete curve ball.[close]SpoilerArent there theories that he is a Targarean? The son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen w/spoiler][close]
Double post :P WARNING MASSIVE SPOILER DO NOT OPEN UNLESS READ ALL BOOKSSpoilerSo I wanted to know your guys thoughts on Jon Snow's stabbing is he dead or alive thoughts?[close]SpoilerFour theories I've developed:
1. He's just dead and will fade into irrelevance
2. The Red Priestess will resurrect him and he'll be okay again. This would be lame and I'd be disappointed if GRRM decided to do this
3. He'll stay dead, and as he's lying overnight while they decide what to do with his body he'll rise as a white walker, as dead people tend to do at the wall. Maybe he'll be more sentient than other white walkers and go join Bran beyond the wall? I don't know exactly how it would work, but it'd be interesting
4. He'll merge entirely with Ghost and maintain his existence through his body. I'm not sure if his personality and humanity would remain with the transition, but judging by Bran's experience with his direwolf and Jon's few with Ghost it seems slightly unlikely. But again, maybe there's an exception if the human form of the warg relationship is killed[close]SpoilerI disagree with your first theory i just think his story just isnt finished yet and if he dies then what POV character is at the wall.[close]SpoilerI don't find it particularly likely either. We'll just have to wait; who knows what GRRM has up his sleeve. He'll probably throw us a complete curve ball.[close]SpoilerArent there theories that he is a Targarean? The son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen w/spoiler][close]SpoilerYes, and there's actually pretty compelling evidence to back it up - http://towerofthehand.com/essays/chrisholden/jon_snows_parents.html
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jon_Snow/Theories
However I'm not sure how that will play out to determine Jon's fate.[close]
Double post :P WARNING MASSIVE SPOILER DO NOT OPEN UNLESS READ ALL BOOKSSpoilerSo I wanted to know your guys thoughts on Jon Snow's stabbing is he dead or alive thoughts?[close]SpoilerFour theories I've developed:
1. He's just dead and will fade into irrelevance
2. The Red Priestess will resurrect him and he'll be okay again. This would be lame and I'd be disappointed if GRRM decided to do this
3. He'll stay dead, and as he's lying overnight while they decide what to do with his body he'll rise as a white walker, as dead people tend to do at the wall. Maybe he'll be more sentient than other white walkers and go join Bran beyond the wall? I don't know exactly how it would work, but it'd be interesting
4. He'll merge entirely with Ghost and maintain his existence through his body. I'm not sure if his personality and humanity would remain with the transition, but judging by Bran's experience with his direwolf and Jon's few with Ghost it seems slightly unlikely. But again, maybe there's an exception if the human form of the warg relationship is killed[close]SpoilerI disagree with your first theory i just think his story just isnt finished yet and if he dies then what POV character is at the wall.[close]SpoilerI don't find it particularly likely either. We'll just have to wait; who knows what GRRM has up his sleeve. He'll probably throw us a complete curve ball.[close]SpoilerArent there theories that he is a Targarean? The son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen w/spoiler][close]SpoilerYes, and there's actually pretty compelling evidence to back it up - http://towerofthehand.com/essays/chrisholden/jon_snows_parents.html
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jon_Snow/Theories
However I'm not sure how that will play out to determine Jon's fate.[close]SpoilerMy favorite characters get killed off every other book :c[close]SpoilerI recently watched the episode where the Hound was supposed to become severely wounded... but he didn't. What do you think will happen with the Hound & Arya now that the Hound isn't out of the picture/dead?[close]
Double post :P WARNING MASSIVE SPOILER DO NOT OPEN UNLESS READ ALL BOOKSSpoilerSo I wanted to know your guys thoughts on Jon Snow's stabbing is he dead or alive thoughts?[close]SpoilerFour theories I've developed:
1. He's just dead and will fade into irrelevance
2. The Red Priestess will resurrect him and he'll be okay again. This would be lame and I'd be disappointed if GRRM decided to do this
3. He'll stay dead, and as he's lying overnight while they decide what to do with his body he'll rise as a white walker, as dead people tend to do at the wall. Maybe he'll be more sentient than other white walkers and go join Bran beyond the wall? I don't know exactly how it would work, but it'd be interesting
4. He'll merge entirely with Ghost and maintain his existence through his body. I'm not sure if his personality and humanity would remain with the transition, but judging by Bran's experience with his direwolf and Jon's few with Ghost it seems slightly unlikely. But again, maybe there's an exception if the human form of the warg relationship is killed[close]SpoilerI disagree with your first theory i just think his story just isnt finished yet and if he dies then what POV character is at the wall.[close]SpoilerI don't find it particularly likely either. We'll just have to wait; who knows what GRRM has up his sleeve. He'll probably throw us a complete curve ball.[close]SpoilerArent there theories that he is a Targarean? The son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen w/spoiler][close]SpoilerYes, and there's actually pretty compelling evidence to back it up - http://towerofthehand.com/essays/chrisholden/jon_snows_parents.html
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jon_Snow/Theories
However I'm not sure how that will play out to determine Jon's fate.[close]SpoilerMy favorite characters get killed off every other book :c[close]SpoilerI recently watched the episode where the Hound was supposed to become severely wounded... but he didn't. What do you think will happen with the Hound & Arya now that the Hound isn't out of the picture/dead?[close]SpoilerHe dies today, m8. The part where he was supposed to become wounded hasn't happened yet.[close]
Well 3rd episode...SpoilerThe several scenes with that fat Tarly guy ruined it a bit for me. Could be just me but those scenes are the most boring onces to watch especially this episode. :'(
For the rest, damn poor fool and damn poor Podrick.[close]
DEADWell 3rd episode...SpoilerThe several scenes with that fat Tarly guy ruined it a bit for me. Could be just me but those scenes are the most boring onces to watch especially this episode. :'(
For the rest, damn poor fool and damn poor Podrick.[close]
HOW DARE YOU INSULT SAMWELL?
Just kidding, I can see how Sam could be a boring character in the show, as a lot of his character development in the books occurred in his own head and through narrarator descriptions, both of which aren't possible in the show. I haven't seen the episode yet, but I'll see what you're talking about tomorrow.
Oh, and for those who have watched it tonight -SpoilerIs the Hound dead, or did they delay it yet again?[close]
You were saying Sam is boring, in my opinion Bran is the most boring character to watch and surprisingly followed by Dany.'True, though I didn't really mind Dany's scenes this episode. Wasn't that boring.
Bran because it's just a cripple talking for ages in all his scenes. Dany because what she does is often predictable and certainly not as in depth as the major things that happen in Westeros.
No. The hound is a great character. Pls no kill.
SpoilerI wouldn't be surprised if they just keep the Hound alive in the series... I mean, he has quite a few redeeming qualities in the show that he doesn't have in the books. I honestly wouldn't mind if they kept him around.[close]
SpoilerI wouldn't be surprised if they just keep the Hound alive in the series... I mean, he has quite a few redeeming qualities in the show that he doesn't have in the books. I honestly wouldn't mind if they kept him around.[close]SpoilerMaybe. But then I'd be interested to see how they have Arya escape and make it to Braavos, as it was almost entirely due to The Hound's death.[close]
SpoilerI wouldn't be surprised if they just keep the Hound alive in the series... I mean, he has quite a few redeeming qualities in the show that he doesn't have in the books. I honestly wouldn't mind if they kept him around.[close]SpoilerMaybe. But then I'd be interested to see how they have Arya escape and make it to Braavos, as it was almost entirely due to The Hound's death.[close]Spoilerthey could go together... could you imagine the Hound bein a faceless man?[close]
They would not just let him die.Don't say that, every time someone says that G.R.R Martin kills a Stark.
Yeah, but luckily it's not G.R.R. Martin but HBO. I hope HBO let's him live longer than the evil Martinman.They would not just let him die.Don't say that, every time someone says that G.R.R Martin kills a Stark.
Martin writes some of the episodes, people tend to die.:'(
SpoilerI wouldn't be surprised if they just keep the Hound alive in the series... I mean, he has quite a few redeeming qualities in the show that he doesn't have in the books. I honestly wouldn't mind if they kept him around.[close]SpoilerMaybe. But then I'd be interested to see how they have Arya escape and make it to Braavos, as it was almost entirely due to The Hound's death.[close]Spoilerthey could go together... could you imagine the Hound bein a faceless man?[close]SpoilerHowever he must have a bigger role than in the book due to the fact that he gets shown so often. They would not just let him die.[close]
WARNING MASSIVE SPOILER DO NOT OPEN UNLESS READ ALL BOOKSSpoilerSo I wanted to know your guys thoughts on Jon Snow's stabbing is he dead or alive thoughts?[close]
Well at least we know where the walkers come from now.When a mommy walker and a daddy walker love each other very much...
Or at least how they reproduce I guess.
Well at least we know where the walkers come from now.When a mommy walker and a daddy walker love each other very much...
Or at least how they reproduce I guess.
Spoiler:SpoilerIs it mentioned in the books that the Rangers go beyond the Wall to deal with the deserters? I can't remember reading that, but it's been some time since I last read the books.[close]
I just watched the episode. I... what? I can't imagine GRRM had much say in this one. Christ.
I can't say I enjoyed it very much either. Sooo many plot holes and things they'll have trouble patching up later down the line. What are they planning on doing with this?
I can't say I enjoyed it very much either. Sooo many plot holes and things they'll have trouble patching up later down the line. What are they planning on doing with this?
Can you enlighten me on what happened?
I feel as if they are just stretching the story as far as they can, simply to get the episodes filled untill the season finale.
SpoilerFor book readers there speculation that the white walker is the Night King from the old nan stories 8)[close]
Rorke was not in the books correct?
I liked this one. Got to agree with Gokiller though.SpoilerThat Eyrie girly was nuts. Just so I got it right, Robin and Sansa are cousins? I know Martin has no problem with incest but really. I mean he's about nine.[close]
SpoilerIt hasn't hinted strongly that there's a sexual element but she does tell Sansa that she must become Robins wife. But Sansa's aunt is just insane in the TV show(not sure about the books). But some how I think Sansa will not being playing a "motherly" sort of role. I could be worry though since all that has been said is that she "will be free to marry Robin"[close]
SpoilerTyrion's outburst at the end was quite unexpected, I thought he'd play along with Jaime and Tywin.[close]
Wow, I'm so impressed. At first I thought this episode would be a very boring one but then it just turned to the probably best one in this season so far (in my opinion).
SpoilerI have to say I really didn't like the Theon rescue mission.
I was wondering how they'd pull it off after the end of the last season with Yara grabbing the "most dangerous and violent men from the Iron Islands" to save her brother in a daring rescue attemp, because, having read the books, this shit doesn't happen.
Suddenly, they're rowing all the way to the Dreadfort(?), dashing in, clinking some swords, then retreating back to their dingys.
I think it made Yara Greyjoy, a strong and smart character in the books, look like a real dumbass.
The whole time I'm thinking "And this is what happens when producers start fucking with a great story."[close]
They went by the sea.SpoilerI have to say I really didn't like the Theon rescue mission.
I was wondering how they'd pull it off after the end of the last season with Yara grabbing the "most dangerous and violent men from the Iron Islands" to save her brother in a daring rescue attemp, because, having read the books, this shit doesn't happen.
Suddenly, they're rowing all the way to the Dreadfort(?), dashing in, clinking some swords, then retreating back to their dingys.
I think it made Yara Greyjoy, a strong and smart character in the books, look like a real dumbass.
The whole time I'm thinking "And this is what happens when producers start fucking with a great story."[close]SpoilerYeah. Ramsay released his dog upon the iron men and then they ran across the North to their ships on the west side of the North, or they sailed around entire westeros to get there. Seemed just a bit strange and haven't really heard anything about any river that runs from east to west in the North.[close]
They went by the sea.SpoilerI have to say I really didn't like the Theon rescue mission.
I was wondering how they'd pull it off after the end of the last season with Yara grabbing the "most dangerous and violent men from the Iron Islands" to save her brother in a daring rescue attemp, because, having read the books, this shit doesn't happen.
Suddenly, they're rowing all the way to the Dreadfort(?), dashing in, clinking some swords, then retreating back to their dingys.
I think it made Yara Greyjoy, a strong and smart character in the books, look like a real dumbass.
The whole time I'm thinking "And this is what happens when producers start fucking with a great story."[close]SpoilerYeah. Ramsay released his dog upon the iron men and then they ran across the North to their ships on the west side of the North, or they sailed around entire westeros to get there. Seemed just a bit strange and haven't really heard anything about any river that runs from east to west in the North.[close]
Wasn't it Asha Greyjoy in the books?
You know your a cunt when your national holiday ruins the day of someone in a different country.
Gokiller is really the NSA officer at the head of this scandal.It all makes sense now
Ahh, sure feels good to live in a country so powerful that the rest of the world runs on our television calendar. It's okay though.
A Chinaman always collects his debts.
+1
Why would you travel on memorial day? Are you disrespecting our fallen brothers? Memorial day is supposed to be spent sitting on a couch munching on Doritos and eating the leftovers from the cookout that your family went to but you opted to skip because you had a "stomach ache", which was really just the result of you eating too many Taco Bell Triple Ranch Fajitas with four bottles of Monster energy drink the night before. I bet you commie bastards didn't even watch the memorial day parade on TV while drinking Bud Lite and waving an American flag that you bought for $1 on discount from Walmart for the occasion. I bet you didn't even shed a tear during the 9/11 memorial service and shake with furry at the muslim bastards who did this to YOU, because America is YOU, and all of US. I bet your rage didn't even subside into immense joy as you remember that Osama Bin Laden - the bastard who did this to all of us is DEAD, never to trouble us again! I bet your joy didn't even fall back into fury as you remember what you heard on the Rush Limbau show earlier, where you learned that Bin Laden is not really dead, and he's being hidden in Obama's secret facility in Candyland, Kenya - Obama's birth village and base of foreign (he calls it domestic) operations. I bet you didn't restock on food and ammo supplies for the coming revolution and coup d'etat. I BET YOU DIDN'T EVEN PRAISE JESUS. WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? TRAVELING ON MEMORIAL DAY, YOU'LL BURN IN HELL. JESUS LOVES YOU SON, BUT THERE'S NO TIME LEFT FOR YOU TO BE SAVED. DIEEEEEEEEE.
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The next one should be interesting at anyway. But I mean....COME ON! HE WON! HE SHANKED THE BIG FUCKER LIKE THREE TIMES![close]
I guess you could say... he got crushed like a beetle.
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I guess you could say... he got crushed like a beetle.
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I read the books so I was prepared for the anal pain to come but man wasn't that just brutal. I got a bit sickened by it. Too fucking brutal man and that scream. This feels worse than when I read it :(
Uberspoil.SpoilerDon't fucking open this shit if you want the story spoiledSpoilerWhat did I tell you?SpoilerI'm warning you, do not open!Spoiler>Tyrion dies next episode[close][close][close][close]
Spoiler:SpoilerIn the book does he actually squeeze his head to a pulp? I thought he gets punched to death in the face? The film scene was indeed more disturbing visually lol[close]
Spoiler:SpoilerIn the book does he actually squeeze his head to a pulp? I thought he gets punched to death in the face? The film scene was indeed more disturbing visually lol[close]
There's not enough camomile tea the whole world to quell the rage in my heart. While not as bad as the Red Wedding(Wanted to throw my laptop out the window then) its pisses me off why he didn't just finish him instead of talking all the time.SpoilerWhat makes me even more mad is the fact that he can do all the fancy flips,doges etc but can't roll away when he gets tripped. What got me was that he mouth was still moving on that birds eye view shot. Also, I know its GoT so pretty much anything can happen but surly that's not even humanly possible, to crush someone's head just by pushing into their eyes. And when he teeth flew every where :'([close]
Yeah that's the Mountain.
In the books he plays a much more predominant role, as opposed to the rinky dink stuff minor appearances in the show. So when this fight comes up, you're already like AAAWWWWW YEAAAAAAAH!!!!
I somewhat wish that I haven't read up on what would happen, but then I wouldn't be so in tears (like all the other deaths in the Show, Ned Stark, Joffrey, Rob etc..)In the books he apparently had a few more scenes & in the books he didn't know before Tyrion told him that the mountain was the murderer I guess that was why he really wanted him to confess in the books.
After seeing Oberyn fight though I wish he would've had some more fight scenes because his character was just so good.
I think my reaction probably would've been like this then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erdfj4F_0MI
I just want more fighty scenes with Dornishmen fighting style
I just want more fighty scenes with Dornishmen fighting style
The fighting scene itself was rather boring in my opinion. Oberyn was wrecking the mountain, he easily won. But the way he died. My god.
I read alot of things like: Oberyn died on purpose. What do you guys think?
>> Keep in mind that the mountain didn't confess untill the very last moment ( just before he squeezed Oberyns head ). Besides that, Oberyn died a horrible death.
I don't think Oberyn managed to hear the confession over his screaming and panicking.
Er, it may have been on purpose, but more in a blind rage sort of way. From what I remember they were in a very small area with a tightly packed and unruly audience standing very close to the fight. The two of them wheeled very close to the onlookers, and then someone got in the way of the Mountain, which I think prevented him from delivering a potentially critical blow to the viper. The mountain became enraged and pushed the person out of the way, but then other person got in the way right as the viper dodged another one of the mountain's blows, and it sliced right throw the onlooker.From what I remember it was a stable boy and he struck him twice the first was most likely accidental but he hit him again in anger.
That was the semi-accurate version. I'm sure I missed some detail, but even so, it would have been cool if they included it, because there were a few orderlies and squires in the area who it could have happened to. For instance when the viper's squire was handing him his second spear, he could have swung at him and accidentally struck the squire instead.
So the whole poisoning thing hasn't been revealed yet, and you guys are just happily throwing around a book spoiler?
I don't think Oberyn managed to hear the confession over his screaming and panicking.
But he knows that his spear was poisoned.
What if his daughters want revenge?I read alot of things like: Oberyn died on purpose. What do you guys think?
>> Keep in mind that the mountain didn't confess untill the very last moment ( just before he squeezed Oberyns head ). Besides that, Oberyn died a horrible death.
I think that Oberyn had one purpose for his visit to Kings Landing. He succeeded in making Gregor confess but paid the ultimate price. He had confidence that he could beat Gregor by using the 'spear dancing' technique that most Dornish warriors use. So, no I don't think that he died on purpose.
Also it will be interesting to see how Dorne reacts as Oberyn was loved there.
So the whole poisoning thing hasn't been revealed yet, and you guys are just happily throwing around a book spoiler?
So the whole poisoning thing hasn't been revealed yet, and you guys are just happily throwing around a book spoiler?Might be spoiler for some peopleIt's actually not a spoiler, Oberyn has the nickname of The Red Viper and in an earlier episode Oberyn and Tywin speak about poison ( just after Joffreys murder ) and you get to know there that Vipers are famous for the poisining of spears.[close]
So the whole poisoning thing hasn't been revealed yet, and you guys are just happily throwing around a book spoiler?Might be spoiler for some peopleIt's actually not a spoiler, Oberyn has the nickname of The Red Viper and in an earlier episode Oberyn and Tywin speak about poison ( just after Joffreys murder ) and you get to know there that Vipers are famous for the poisining of spears.[close]
I should never have started watching the Series before reading the books...
Now I cant read the books without screwing the series for me. This sucks. I want to know what happens next, and it takes years to get anywhere if you are just watching the series...
I should never have started watching the Series before reading the books...
Now I cant read the books without screwing the series for me. This sucks. I want to know what happens next, and it takes years to get anywhere if you are just watching the series...
Tywin dies in the next episode Tyrion kills him with a crossbow
Tywin dies in the next episode Tyrion kills him with a crossbow
Tywin dies in the next episode Tyrion kills him with a crossbow
Tywin dies in the next episode Tyrion kills him with a crossbow
Dude. atleast use spoilers or something.SpoilerI wonder though if he'll be taking a shit like in the book when it happens[close]
Game of Thrones thread (Spoilers)
Crossbows are boring. Rockets are the way to go.
*Looks at title of thread*We are talking about the TV show.QuoteGame of Thrones thread (Spoilers)
Gentlemen, with the greatest respect, I rest my case.
El_Presidente, everyone uses spoilers. You know, the little thing with 'Sp'. Just because the thread says 'spoilers' doesn't suddenly mean it's okay to post big spoilers without the use of the tab. The entire idea of the tab is that you can hide spoilers and still talk about the show.
You're just a huge dick, basically.
Well, I don't know if it does happen. Someone told me.You did it on purpose, you just wanted to be a twat and you achieved your aim. Now I am sure I speak for everyone on this tread. Fuck Off.
(https://i.imgur.com/HmYkT0h.gif)Well, I don't know if it does happen. Someone told me.You did it on purpose, you just wanted to be a twat and you achieved your aim. Now I am sure I speak for everyone on this tread. Fuck Off.
Don't you think you all might be over reacting a wee bit?
SpoilerCan't wait to see Tywin die next episode[close]
SpoilerCan't wait to see Tywin die next episode[close]SpoilerI want to see if they make him out to be a complete cunt or make him more likeable like they've done in previous episodes.[close]
SpoilerCan't wait to see Tywin die next episode[close]SpoilerI want to see if they make him out to be a complete cunt or make him more likeable like they've done in previous episodes.[close]SpoilerI just don't want people to WANT him to die. In the last episode he was an utter cunt, but it wasn't like that at all in the books. If anything I lost some respect for Tyrion when he killed Tywin and Shae, rather than being happy about it. It kind of just showed that Tyrion was emotionally unstable and broke the illusion of him being some calm, clever and arrogant, yet likeable bastard. I really hope they at least try to paint Tyrion in a slightly bad light for the killing, but somehow I doubt they will.[close]
SpoilerCan't wait to see Tywin die next episode[close]SpoilerI want to see if they make him out to be a complete cunt or make him more likeable like they've done in previous episodes.[close]SpoilerI just don't want people to WANT him to die. In the last episode he was an utter cunt, but it wasn't like that at all in the books. If anything I lost some respect for Tyrion when he killed Tywin and Shae, rather than being happy about it. It kind of just showed that Tyrion was emotionally unstable and broke the illusion of him being some calm, clever and arrogant, yet likeable bastard. I really hope they at least try to paint Tyrion in a slightly bad light for the killing, but somehow I doubt they will.[close]
SpoilerCan't wait to see Tywin die next episode[close]SpoilerI want to see if they make him out to be a complete cunt or make him more likeable like they've done in previous episodes.[close]SpoilerI just don't want people to WANT him to die. In the last episode he was an utter cunt, but it wasn't like that at all in the books. If anything I lost some respect for Tyrion when he killed Tywin and Shae, rather than being happy about it. It kind of just showed that Tyrion was emotionally unstable and broke the illusion of him being some calm, clever and arrogant, yet likeable bastard. I really hope they at least try to paint Tyrion in a slightly bad light for the killing, but somehow I doubt they will.[close]Spoilerwow, much spoliers. :'( Haven't read the books but I don't care any more to be honest. No Oberyn Martell, no Wolfy liky. But how in gods name does Tyrion kill Tywin? I mean, should he be guarded 24/7.[close]
SpoilerCan't wait to see Tywin die next episode[close]SpoilerI want to see if they make him out to be a complete cunt or make him more likeable like they've done in previous episodes.[close]SpoilerI just don't want people to WANT him to die. In the last episode he was an utter cunt, but it wasn't like that at all in the books. If anything I lost some respect for Tyrion when he killed Tywin and Shae, rather than being happy about it. It kind of just showed that Tyrion was emotionally unstable and broke the illusion of him being some calm, clever and arrogant, yet likeable bastard. I really hope they at least try to paint Tyrion in a slightly bad light for the killing, but somehow I doubt they will.[close]SpoilerI mean, he did devote a ton of time to help defend/improve the city and then everyone he protected are putting him to death for "killing" a complete asshat that no one liked aside from the Queen... I'd be pissed too.[close]
wow, much spoliers. :'( Haven't read the books but I don't care any more to be honest. No Oberyn Martell, no Wolfy liky. But how in gods name does Tyrion kill Tywin? I mean, should he be guarded 24/7.
SpoilerSpoiler.[close]
Sorry, I thought everyone has already read the final book.SpoilerSpoiler.[close]
What the fuck? Reported.
Was a good one. Sad that it was based around The Wall the whole hour but good none the less.SpoilerSo many cool people die :'( Does John ever reach the Wildling army? More importantly does he come back?[close]
Book Spoiler?Isn't Stannis supposed to come to their aid in the end?[close]
Book spoilerI was disappointed that they didn't show the fight between those 6 in the tunnel and the giant. And that they didn't light the elevator on fire like in the books. The rest was well done. Quite liked the episode. IIRC Stannis only came after some days of fighting so it's just understandable he wasn't in this episode[close]
SpoilerI can't remember whether Alister is actually down below fighting in the books. Also did Janis Slynt hide during the battle in the books?[close]
When I see that trailer, I start thinking about that there could be a possibility that the hound dies that episode...Book spoilerAnd now I saw Varys face in that trailer, some Lannie is gonna die next episode. :-*[close]
SpoilerNot? I thought he died of his wound?[close]
SpoilerI can't remember whether Alister is actually down below fighting in the books. Also did Janis Slynt hide during the battle in the books?[close]SpoilerThey both turn up later, after the first battle, and after Ygritte dies[close]
I liked the battle, too bad they didn't show how the big giant and all 6 of those nights watch all died
They did actually but in the books Grenn wasn't present when the giant attacked and is still supposed to be alive, it was actually the blacksmith Donal Noye who kills by stabbing it in the throat before it breaks his spine.I liked the battle, too bad they didn't show how the big giant and all 6 of those nights watch all died
They didn't show it in the books either. I think they handled it pretty well.
If Jon Snow dies, Im rage quiting the seris
If Jon Snow dies, Im rage quiting the seris"For the watch"
If Jon Snow dies, Im rage quiting the seris
If Jon Snow dies, Im rage quiting the serisBook Spoiler & QuestionFor book people, do you think Melisandre will resurrect/save him, or will he die from the stabbing?[close]
If Jon Snow dies, Im rage quiting the serisBook Spoiler & QuestionFor book people, do you think Melisandre will resurrect/save him, or will he die from the stabbing?[close]Book Spoiler & QuestionI hope he dies, he is a traitor and a bastard.[close]
Episode 9 was pretty good.SpoilerR.I.P Grenn and Pip[close]
If Jon Snow dies, Im rage quiting the serisBook Spoiler & QuestionFor book people, do you think Melisandre will resurrect/save him, or will he die from the stabbing?[close]Book Spoiler & QuestionI hope he dies, he is a traitor and a bastard.[close]SpoilerI am really intrigued as to whether he will be saved or not. He has this air of destiny about him.[close]
Btw when is the next book (winds of winter) available for purchase??? The book is already done but Martin's Publisher wanted him to release it at the end of this season's GOT tv series for maximum sales. The last episode airs this coming Sunday I believe. Just wondering if the book date is official yet or...?
Episode 9 was pretty good.SpoilerR.I.P Grenn and Pip[close]Spoilerbut they survived the battle in the books :c[close]
If Jon Snow dies, Im rage quiting the serisBook Spoiler & QuestionFor book people, do you think Melisandre will resurrect/save him, or will he die from the stabbing?[close]
His publisher said it will not be out this year (http://:https://twitter.com/JaneJohnsonBakr/status/426815126818127872).
I hope you didn't get that info from this site? http://www.wetpaint.com/game-of-thrones/articles/2014-04-01-george-r-r-martin-announces ^^
This is a spoiler, TV people do not enter on pain of revelation......Come again?SpoilerCan't wait to see the new Targaryen, it should be in the next season shouldn't it?[close]
This is a spoiler, TV people do not enter on pain of revelation......Come again?SpoilerCan't wait to see the new Targaryen, it should be in the next season shouldn't it?[close]SpoilerNew Targaryen? ??? Is she pregnant or.....?[close]
This is a spoiler, TV people do not enter on pain of revelation......Come again?SpoilerCan't wait to see the new Targaryen, it should be in the next season shouldn't it?[close]SpoilerNew Targaryen? ??? Is she pregnant or.....?[close]
This is a spoiler, TV people do not enter on pain of revelation......Come again?SpoilerCan't wait to see the new Targaryen, it should be in the next season shouldn't it?[close]SpoilerNew Targaryen? ??? Is she pregnant or.....?[close]SpoilerNo, it's "Young Griff" Aegon, another one of the targaryen children who was hid away after the rebellion. He has a far better claim to the throne than dany, should he choose to press it.[close]
Michelle Keegan may do a sex scene in the next series...oh my...
I'm not sure, it didn't say.Michelle Keegan may do a sex scene in the next series...oh my...
As who?SpoilerMaybe as one of Oberryn's daughters?[close]
I was surprised that Stannis could muster so many horses and men. Was quite epic to watch. Them formations.At the Iron Bank didn't he say he could muster 4k men?
Don't read this if you haven't seen passed 10:00 of Episode 10.I actually did a count and my calculation that the initial attack from the South accounted for 33 'squads' of 16 men wide, three lines deep. That equals 1584 men. The northern attack was of the exact same strength, so in total the attack was only 3168 men and horses. The Free Folk army has said to accumulated at least 100.000 men. Eh?
People tend to be amazed by the sheer sight of big formations, but when one does an actual count, it's kinda... disappointing.
I suppose that the forest actually only harbored the avant-garde with the King beyond the Wall present with maybe just a few thousand men, and Stannis' cavalry is just going to hunt down the rest of them, and as we all know the wildlings are kinda...wild, so without their king, they won't be able to do shit. Bit stupid though. Someone needs an extra lesson of 'How to not Attack a Fortified position'.[close]
can someone explain to me who lady stoneheart is?
I never read the books :P
Spoiler(https://i.imgur.com/ZumRid2.jpg)[close]
Self portrait as a GoT character. made myself from the north, but I've been told I look like a Lannister.
SpoilerIs it just me whos waiting for Young Griff to take the throne as AEGON VI[close]
Spoilers, my god, spoilers.
It was only edited to have a spoiler after Nipplestockings posted :PSpoilers, my god, spoilers.
well it was covered in a spoiler...
SpoilerThe entire series ends with Ned Stark waking up in bed with Caitlyn, rubbing and craning his neck as he slowly puts his pants on, wolves baying in the background.[close]
SpoilerThe entire series ends with Ned Stark waking up in bed with Caitlyn, rubbing and craning his neck as he slowly puts his pants on, wolves baying in the background.[close]Spoiler"Baby, I had the most horrible nightmare."
Suddenly it's an omen for the future and it comes true, and the entire series is replayed in eight more books.[close]
SpoilerThe entire series ends with Ned Stark waking up in bed with Caitlyn, rubbing and craning his neck as he slowly puts his pants on, wolves baying in the background.[close]Spoiler"Baby, I had the most horrible nightmare."
Suddenly it's an omen for the future and it comes true, and the entire series is replayed in eight more books.[close]SpoilerThe next day, Ned finds Robert.
"Have you thought of my proposal?" Robert asked
"Yeah, I'm going to have to say no." Ned replied
And who...
...are you..
...the proud lord said...
Directed by D&D[close]
Plz House Getty ftw
Better wait for next season :PHouse Greyjoy during the war of 5 kings(https://i.imgur.com/WT1hJF6.jpg)[close]
old trailer mang
What the fuck is wrong with HBO?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZQkIExRJpI
New season begins this Sunday.
I'm pretty sure they're taking parts from both AFFC and ADWD. I also heard they might be spoiling some stuff that's going to be in Winds of Winter. Hopefully nothing too dramatic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GfwZ8Znbr0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GfwZ8Znbr0I totally, 100%, did not watch this when it was released
First 4 episodes have been ALREADY leaked to torrent.I am watching them right now, they are damn great.
Have them too, going to watch with the whole family tonight.First 4 episodes have been ALREADY leaked to torrent.I am watching them right now, they are damn great.
Just wait for the weekly episodes.
TONIGHT
Just wait for the weekly episodes.
You're giving an awful lot of advice for someone who thinks people should decide for themselves.
True, very true.TONIGHT
Now.
Just wait for the weekly episodes.
You're giving an awful lot of advice for someone who thinks people should decide for themselves.
you should go fuck your mother.
Just wait for the weekly episodes.
You're giving an awful lot of advice for someone who thinks people should decide for themselves.
you should go fuck your mother.
Just wait for the weekly episodes.
You're giving an awful lot of advice for someone who thinks people should decide for themselves.
you should go fuck your mother.
Doing it again. Your 'cause' is getting shaky.
>privilegeSpoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.4cdn.org%2Ftv%2F1428857271654.png&hash=d4315b6e2b1cac4840eea953aae0f3190ca72a68)[close]
into the trash it goes
Just wait for the weekly episodes.
You're giving an awful lot of advice for someone who thinks people should decide for themselves.
Spoiler from the 4th episode!SpoilerBarristan isn't actually going to die is he? q.q -Episode 4[close]
Spoiler from the 4th episode!SpoilerBarristan isn't actually going to die is he? q.q -Episode 4[close]SpoilerI do not remember him dying in the books, but the series is known to change things around for a bit.[close]
God these leaks are such terrible quality.
Fuck the law
http://www.stream-watch.com/S-10098-775-Game-of-Thrones-(Le-Trône-de-fer)-Saison-5.html (http://www.stream-watch.com/S-10098-775-Game-of-Thrones-(Le-Trône-de-fer)-Saison-5.html)
Pls no ban me
Ep 1-4 thank me later,
Ps: pls no ban
Mace Tyrell is such an idiot.
Shouldn't have watched the leaked episodes, Episode 4 was a cliffhanger and now I have to wait a month.
It actually wasn't that bad of a cliffhanger. I don't feel too bad about watching all of them. I wish HBO would do that same thing that Netflix does with their original shows and release the entire season at once. Much better format.
Spoilerrip mance[close]
Theories are just theories.Spoilerrip mance[close]
Getty hooked me up with a theory.Spoilerit may not be mance but the Lord of Bones. Remember he said, im not the king beyond the wall , and Jon shot him... Might be Melissandre Magic if I got what Getty told me ;D[close]
Spoiler(https://i.imgur.com/UpPRXzd.jpg)[close]
It's from the books it's not a theory...he doesn't care about spoilers.Spoiler(https://i.imgur.com/UpPRXzd.jpg)[close]
Excellent.
Oh, btw, that theory Getty posted, along with nearly all the theories coming from the SERIES, are ridiculous. Read the books, the theories coming from there are much more interesting.
im still hoping that someone leakes the remaining 6 episodes next week. That would be nice.I just binged on all of them and have stayed up too late...damn so many changes.
It's from the books it's not a theory...he doesn't care about spoilers.Spoiler(https://i.imgur.com/UpPRXzd.jpg)[close]
Excellent.
Oh, btw, that theory Getty posted, along with nearly all the theories coming from the SERIES, are ridiculous. Read the books, the theories coming from there are much more interesting.
SpoilerI really hope that they dont cut Aegon in the showo. Im just getting tired of daenarys, and in the books Aegon sounds like a better king than dany. He is leading his men to victory and has already captured stormlands. And who knows he might even make an alliance with Dorne. That alliance is very possible, Dorne hates the lannisters,they are related to Aegon and they are targaryen loyalists. The only problem is, he the real aegon? Or just a normal boy or even a blackfyre pretender. Tommen is a child and too kind, Cersei is probably going to get fucked. The best scenario for me would be Aegon capturing kings landing and seizing the iron throne. Then from nowhere Dany comes to Westeros and starts a Dance of dragons 2.0, the only problem is tho that Aegon doesnt have any dragons and dany has 3 dragons but they are not tamed yet. If GRRM, managed to give Aegon a dragon would make this show alot better.[close]
Use. Motherfucking. Spoilers.
SpoilerI really hope that they dont cut Aegon in the showo. Im just getting tired of daenarys, and in the books Aegon sounds like a better king than dany. He is leading his men to victory and has already captured stormlands. And who knows he might even make an alliance with Dorne. That alliance is very possible, Dorne hates the lannisters,they are related to Aegon and they are targaryen loyalists. The only problem is, he the real aegon? Or just a normal boy or even a blackfyre pretender. Tommen is a child and too kind, Cersei is probably going to get fucked. The best scenario for me would be Aegon capturing kings landing and seizing the iron throne. Then from nowhere Dany comes to Westeros and starts a Dance of dragons 2.0, the only problem is tho that Aegon doesnt have any dragons and dany has 3 dragons but they are not tamed yet. If GRRM, managed to give Aegon a dragon would make this show alot better.[close]
Use. Motherfucking. Spoilers.
SpoilerAm I the only one who doesn't want those dragonfuckers in Westeros? Let Dany perish in Mereen, bitte. Fucking inbreds.
Seriously, I'd much rather see the Seven Kingdoms becoming actual fucking individual kingdoms again.[close]
The lawful heir to a pretender. Robert was never the lawful king of westeros. God damn it, why did they have to kill every single Targaryen? They couldn't have just deposed Aerys and let Rhaegar rule? He would have been one of the best kings in centuries. Such a fucking shame.
The lawful heir to a pretender.
The lawful heir to a pretender. Robert was never the lawful king of westeros. God damn it, why did they have to kill every single Targaryen? They couldn't have just deposed Aerys and let Rhaegar rule? He would have been one of the best kings in centuries. Such a fucking shame.
Yes but if they did that then the whole point of game of thrones would be boring. There would be no story
It's a fucking series Augy.
Communists suck and should be executed. Monarchs are way more fun.
So, what now?
The Brotherhood Without Banners are my niggas. They should be working on revolutionary theory and building a popular movement instead of wandering around in the woods though.Sometimes when I hear you talk, I can't help but think you're just a really good troll.
Whenever I watch this series I just wish that it would end with a giant revolution in which everyone trying to claim the throne is executed.
I've heard people talking about this program and taking sides, thinking someone should win (those filthy idealistic liberals), and I'm just thinking "They're monarchs, why not just send them all to the guillotine and be done with it?".
The Targaryens really just weren't worth the trouble. At the rate they were insane, there's no reason people shouldn't have rebelled and put someone else on the throne. On top of that, the Targaryens had no 'right' to rule the Seven Kingdoms, that concept didn't exist, they took it by force; exactly what Robert did.
After watching the Ep5. preview (Finally)SpoilerBarristan actually dead... I heard they did so to get Jorah back and take over Barristan's story line. Pretty silly decision IMO, Jorah IMO is a silly person failing at life, while Barristan had his reputation and... now he actually got killed by a bunch of peasants. Fu Dany :(
Stannis the Mannis on the march tho[close]
Wait, the 5th episode is out? ???
After watching the Ep5. preview (Finally)SpoilerBarristan actually dead... I heard they did so to get Jorah back and take over Barristan's story line. Pretty silly decision IMO, Jorah IMO is a silly person failing at life, while Barristan had his reputation and... now he actually got killed by a bunch of peasants. Fu Dany :(
Stannis the Mannis on the march tho[close]
In the book if I am not wrong he is still alive.
THey're actually going to do something with Sansa's storyline?Sansa isn't as much a pile of shit as in the early episodes.
Spoileris Greyworm dead or...?[close]
Spoileris Greyworm dead or...?[close]SpoilerI believe he is not. There's a scene in the Season 5 preview where he and Melissandre look at each other, he might be dead but I doubt it. Talking about dead, kill him and bring back Barri and I am happy.[close]
Oh, the sand snakes' introduction was so bad...
THey're actually going to do something with Sansa's storyline?
I'm not liking this new "Off the script" approach the writers are taking now.2fat2roll
R.R. Martin will be rolling in his grave when he dies.
Knew it i fuckin knew itSpoilerIn the preview when theres jorah and tyrion anyone spotted the stone man?![close]
He's on the left of the image, a little above tyrion's head,Spoiler(https://i.imgur.com/r5RPy2Q.png)[close]
Surprised you noticed that lolKnew it i fuckin knew itSpoilerIn the preview when theres jorah and tyrion anyone spotted the stone man?![close]
He's on the left of the image, a little above tyrion's head,Spoiler(https://i.imgur.com/r5RPy2Q.png)[close]
watched the episode.
out of curiosity, why are people calling it "creepy" and "disturbing"?
It honestly seems to be a tamer episode than most.
Probably, he doesn't seem to play a big enough part in the books to expand upon in the series. But we shall see.SpoilerI worry that writers are going to remove John Connigton and his young companion from appearing in the show :/
What with all the other changes that have been made so far.[close]
Ok, anyone can put a link to a streaming website that works?
tbf i like the idea that the show will play out differently to the show
Season 5 has been pretty crap imo, diverted too far away from the books and cut out a lot of the best bits of the plot. Most of the changes in the show were either good or necessary up till now, but cutting out Young Griff and that whole storyline was just dumb. It's central to the books, and as not that much is happening this season they could easily have included it. Cutting out Young Griff from the show is like cutting out the character of Snape from the Harry Potter films. I think they messed up season 5 big time.
I feel like Theon is starting to come back but that last scene thoIf he was coming back he would of done something about that m8
SpoilerBook readers pls tell me that that Ramsey Bitch will be treated how he deserves. He makes me fucking sick[close]
The writer producer also confirmed that, for those suspecting Littlefinger might have known about Ramsay’s sadism, that Baelish was definitely ignorant of the situation. “The difference between the Ramsay Snow of the books and the show is the Ramsay of the show is not a famous psycho,” he said. “He’s not known everywhere as a psycho. So Littlefinger doesn’t have the intelligence on him. He knows they’re scary and creepy and not to be folly trusted and it’s part of a larger plan.”-from interview with writer-producer Bryan Cogman (who wrote this episode)
SpoilerSo was there poison on the dagger that hit Bronn?[close]
Episode name should've been "Bowed, Bent, Broken".Ha
like its gone from book 4 to book 5/6 in a season
like its gone from book 4 to book 5/6 in a season
I honestly don't understand why they're rushing it along so fast. Especially considering this series is a huge cash cow for HBO (hell, its their highest rated series of all time, I doubt they would cancel it anytime soon). So why are they rushing when there is no pressure and 5 tonnes of material to work off of?
It's for multiple reasons:like its gone from book 4 to book 5/6 in a season
I honestly don't understand why they're rushing it along so fast. Especially considering this series is a huge cash cow for HBO (hell, its their highest rated series of all time, I doubt they would cancel it anytime soon). So why are they rushing when there is no pressure and 5 tonnes of material to work off of?
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It's for multiple reasons:like its gone from book 4 to book 5/6 in a season
I honestly don't understand why they're rushing it along so fast. Especially considering this series is a huge cash cow for HBO (hell, its their highest rated series of all time, I doubt they would cancel it anytime soon). So why are they rushing when there is no pressure and 5 tonnes of material to work off of?
1. D&D said they want to do other stuff too and even though GoT is their baby they have other plans for the future in a different genre.
2. The actors have other projects to do, for a lot of them it was the launch into hollywood business (Emilia Clarke, Gwendoline Christie, Kit Harrington, etc)
3. They have a lot of child actors in the series, their natural aging process plays against their role in the series.
4. The more they drag out the series the more they risk losing viewers.
I beheaded Daenarys because I can.(https://scontent-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11329842_908108722595184_1673153010710901630_n.jpg?oh=493797a8fb2497b1ab79373d25fcbccb&oe=55C05E85)
I had sex with petyr baelish because I can.
Ooo
I beheaded Daenarys because I can.
I licked Tyrion Lannister in honor of the Seven Kingdoms
dat dwarf booty
So Jorah is basically Connington aswell now then, taking his Greyscale part of the story.
SpoilerFirst episode I actually thought was really good this season, the rest have been merely okay. Hope they don't kill off Stannis (which wouldn't be surprising given how far they've delineated from the books this season) in the next two episodes. Plus episode 9 has so far been the big episode in each season where a lot happens so got that to look forward to next week, which is why I wasn't expecting so much to happen in this episode![close]
SpoilerFirst episode I actually thought was really good this season, the rest have been merely okay. Hope they don't kill off Stannis (which wouldn't be surprising given how far they've delineated from the books this season) in the next two episodes. Plus episode 9 has so far been the big episode in each season where a lot happens so got that to look forward to next week, which is why I wasn't expecting so much to happen in this episode![close]
SpoilerFirst episode I actually thought was really good this season, the rest have been merely okay. Hope they don't kill off Stannis (which wouldn't be surprising given how far they've delineated from the books this season) in the next two episodes. Plus episode 9 has so far been the big episode in each season where a lot happens so got that to look forward to next week, which is why I wasn't expecting so much to happen in this episode![close]SpoilerThey are probably going to kill off Stannis and then let Melisandre burn Shireen to resurrect him. :/[close]
SpoilerFirst episode I actually thought was really good this season, the rest have been merely okay. Hope they don't kill off Stannis (which wouldn't be surprising given how far they've delineated from the books this season) in the next two episodes. Plus episode 9 has so far been the big episode in each season where a lot happens so got that to look forward to next week, which is why I wasn't expecting so much to happen in this episode![close]SpoilerThey are probably going to kill off Stannis and then let Melisandre burn Shireen to resurrect him. :/[close]
Wouldn't surprise me tbh.
SpoilerAnyone notice how you see stark armour/stark men as wrights beyond the wall[close]
Maybe if they stopped adding love subplots they could do more actual story stuff.
Maybe if they stopped addinglovefan-service subplots they could do more actual story stuff.
The Four Horseman of the Apocalypse have made their entrance.Wot
The Four Horseman of the Apocalypse have made their entrance.Wot
SpoilerI can't remmember if the scene with Tyrion and Danny having that long chat actually happened in the book? It seems vaguely familiar but can someone tell me? I was under the impression the last 2 books ended with Danny being swept up y one of her Dragons out of the arena before Tyrion could enter it or something?[close]
The Four Horseman of the Apocalypse have made their entrance.
SpoilerAren't white walkers capable of freezing stuff? I think they could have just walked over the water to reach the refugees.[close]
SpoilerCan we all take a second to appreciate how fucking badass the giant was, god damn he walked to the boats with white walkers on him.[close]
Stannis gunna take what's his.Gotta agree with the weeb.
#StannisForKing
So valaryian steel contains dragonglass?
R+L=J
Only true fans know what this means.
Spoilerwas that white walker at the end the king of all of them? What's his story?[close]
Spoilerwas that white walker at the end the king of all of them? What's his story?[close]
It's the Nights King and in the books we haven't actually been introduced to him yet. The Jon Snow story is ahead of the books at this point.
The dragon scene was cool. The rest of the episode was trash though.
My problem wasn't even that the gal was burned. I just can't stand that Stannis and Selyse BOTH did a 180 degree turn in their character. Everything both of their characters have said and done up to this point meant nothing, apparently.
The writing is what gets me.
LOLSpoilerThe ending scene in the arena reminded me strongly of Star Wars Episode II.[close]
LOLSpoilerThe ending scene in the arena reminded me strongly of Star Wars Episode II.[close]
+1LOLSpoilerThe ending scene in the arena reminded me strongly of Star Wars Episode II.[close]SpoilerJorah is Padme. The golden terrorists are the Jedi who appear in the audience. Daenerys is Count Dooku. The dragon is a republic gunship.[close]
Oh, and Jesus the CGI on Drogon was bad. That shot of her flying away was pretty lame too. Come on guys, you can do better than that.Wat? They didn't use a real dragon?
Not gonna lie I got some geonosis vibes there too lol. At least it was better than it was in star wars, though.
Oh, and Jesus the CGI on Drogon was bad. That shot of her flying away was pretty lame too. Come on guys, you can do better than that.
I was expecting a real dragon tbh. I think I'm done with this show. They've demonstrated time and time again that they dont have what it takes to make it work. I mean, come on. They couldn't even have gotten their hands on a Hungarian Horntail? A Common Welsh Green even? Christ.
Let's see if Stannis' sacrifice will be worth it.I swear to god if all that was for nothing i am going to be sooooo pissed. Stannis better be fucking king after this bullshit. Also i seriously hope that stannis doesn't turn into a mad king figure "BURN THEM ALL!"
Well can you do anything more insane/mad then killing your only child?well yes, the mad king didnt get anything out of his killings. Melissandra has proven that her magic and shit works so stannis should be getting something out of this.
Cersei's tits are shown next episode.I don't want to see them. They are not interesting, in fact i don't find that actor remotely attractive. I think Dany or Margery is much more attractive. I think that arya is also cute :3 especially the actor who plays arya.
arya is very attractive, yeWell can you do anything more insane/mad then killing your only child?well yes, the mad king didnt get anything out of his killings. Melissandra has proven that her magic and shit works so stannis should be getting something out of this.Cersei's tits are shown next episode.I don't want to see them. They are not interesting, in fact i don't find that actor remotely attractive. I think Dany or Margery is much more attractive. I think that arya is also cute :3 especially the actor who plays arya.
Well can you do anything more insane/mad then killing your only child?
Stannis is a heartless man.Well can you do anything more insane/mad then killing your only child?
Hearthless*
I meant hearthless.
Gluk pedophilic confirmed. That's what happens to you if you watch anime, kids.Well can you do anything more insane/mad then killing your only child?well yes, the mad king didnt get anything out of his killings. Melissandra has proven that her magic and shit works so stannis should be getting something out of this.Cersei's tits are shown next episode.I don't want to see them. They are not interesting, in fact i don't find that actor remotely attractive. I think Dany or Margery is much more attractive. I think that arya is also cute :3 especially the actor who plays arya.
Cersei's tits are shown next episode.Yay!
Dude, i am 17, i was born on the same year as her. Calm your tits, sorry that i like girls around my age???Gluk pedophilic confirmed. That's what happens to you if you watch anime, kids.Well can you do anything more insane/mad then killing your only child?well yes, the mad king didnt get anything out of his killings. Melissandra has proven that her magic and shit works so stannis should be getting something out of this.Cersei's tits are shown next episode.I don't want to see them. They are not interesting, in fact i don't find that actor remotely attractive. I think Dany or Margery is much more attractive. I think that arya is also cute :3 especially the actor who plays arya.SpoilerActually Maisie Williams is 18, so ...[close]
Arya is ugly and especially greasy.Yeah in that scene, but she is quite cute out of character.
and especially with the whole
OYSTERS CLAMS AND CUCKELS!!
Dude, i am 17, i was born on the same year as her. Calm your tits, sorry that i like girls around my age???Gluk pedophilic confirmed. That's what happens to you if you watch anime, kids.Well can you do anything more insane/mad then killing your only child?well yes, the mad king didnt get anything out of his killings. Melissandra has proven that her magic and shit works so stannis should be getting something out of this.Cersei's tits are shown next episode.I don't want to see them. They are not interesting, in fact i don't find that actor remotely attractive. I think Dany or Margery is much more attractive. I think that arya is also cute :3 especially the actor who plays arya.SpoilerActually Maisie Williams is 18, so ...[close]Arya is ugly and especially greasy.Yeah in that scene, but she is quite cute out of character.
and especially with the whole
OYSTERS CLAMS AND CUCKELS!!Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn04.cdn.justjared.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F01%2Fgot-ew%2Fsophie-turner-maisie-williams-2015-ew-sag-party-09.jpg&hash=a01d79b6991a3255fc09b46160d3e34e6f692194)[close]
SpoilerCGI for the dragon was crap, they shouldn't have bothered showing that bit where she flies away and should have saved the money as it looked awful. I get the feeling they paid the guy to do it and when it turned out terrible they thought they had to put it in because they'd paid so much for it. And also yet another character dies who didn't in the books. I dunno why they're doing this, maybe it's to save money on actor's wages so they can spend it on shit CGI instead. The changes aren't even that good, I mean Sansa gettting raped and shireen getting burned alive are terrible things to put in the show. Which deluded fuck comes up with these new plot ideas? It's like they're turning it into some kind of gore fantasy. People liked bad things happening like Ned getting his head cut off, but this season 5 shit is just too far and unrealistic. I've already decided I'm gonna stop watching during season 6 if they keep pulling this shit into the next season.[close]
Well yeah when I first heard about it, I decided to not read the books until the series are done. It is saving me a lot of hassle.Seems pretty logical.
That way I can enjoy both the book and the movies. Its great.
The books is not the show so stop fucking comparing them and being disappointedShow was based on the books so obviously people should compare them. As for being disappointed, much of the reason people want a TV adaptation of something is so that they can portray what they were reading in a visual format. So people will be disappointed when the visual format is not to their standards. This isn't true for all cases but this is true for most.
The books is not the show so stop fucking comparing them and being disappointedSome changes are good, others are bad. Most of the changes in season 5 have so far been terrible, in previous seasons they made plenty of good calls on what to include and what not to. I'm not disappointed, just annoyed that they've decided to go on some dumb gore-fest, seemingly at the expense of the storyline and everything else that made the show good.
The books is not the show so stop fucking comparing them and being disappointedSome changes are good, others are bad. Most of the changes in season 5 have so far been terrible, in previous seasons they made plenty of good calls on what to include and what not to. I'm not disappointed, just annoyed that they've decided to go on some dumb gore-fest, seemingly at the expense of the storyline and everything else that made the show good.
Arya is ugly and especially greasy.Yea that is really fucking annoying.
and especially with the whole
OYSTERS CLAMS AND CUCKELS!!
do people still take the show seriously?
do people still take the show seriously?
do you still take your life seriously?
do people still take the show seriously?
do you still take your life seriously?
Haha! Good one. ;) ;)
I will have to admit with my surround sound on high volume and this young british girl going "OYYYYSTTERS CLAMSSS AND CUCCKLESS!!" like jesus, that was horrible. Still like the actor, still like the character but those scenes were cancer.Arya is ugly and especially greasy.Yea that is really fucking annoying.
and especially with the whole
OYSTERS CLAMS AND CUCKELS!!
The books is not the show so stop fucking comparing them and being disappointed
It was to my inference from the comments that the book readers had been thoroughly upset with the show since it had taken a different route from the book, if you are content with the show then hurrah.The books is not the show so stop fucking comparing them and being disappointed
Who said anything about being disappointed? Stop discouraging your literate betters peasant!
SpoilerWill Griff and young Griff be in the show[close]
I like the idea of the show being different to the book.
SpoilerWill Griff and young Griff be in the show[close]
I like the idea of the show being different to the book.
Probably not. Jorah already took the place of Connington with the greyscale and tyrion on the river and all that. I wouldn't be surprised if Jorah's storyline almost completely aligns with Connington's as the show goes on.
who's dis connington nigga
also:
very good credits song :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt_7qnhtFgA
who's dis connington nigga
also:
very good credits song :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt_7qnhtFgA
I like that song was looking for it love you windflower <3
I believe I know who's dying next episode.
I believe I know who's dying next episode.
Nah they need that money for shitty CGISpoilerstill hoping Griff and young Griff land in westros next episode[close]
I believe I know who's dying next episode.
I reckon a lot of people are gonna die next episode (don't read unless you've read the books...):SpoilerImo: Brienne, Pod, Sam, Sansa, Meryn Trant, Roose Bolton all have a very good chance of being killed off, plus Jon Snow will be betrayed by the Night's Watch at the end of the episode and be 'left for dead' but he'll be back for next season. Maybe, there's a chance that Tommen may die as well, plus Kevan Lannister or Pycelle though they may be saving that Varys stuff for season 6. They might drag out Jon Snow's betrayal across season 6 also as they don't have that much material until the next book comes out. I would say at least 3 of the characters I named will die next episode.[close]
Nah they need that money for shitty CGISpoilerstill hoping Griff and young Griff land in westros next episode[close]
Nah they need that money for shitty CGISpoilerstill hoping Griff and young Griff land in westros next episode[close]
*book plebian*The books is not the show so stop fucking comparing them and being disappointed
Who said anything about being disappointed? Stop discouraging your literate betters peasant!
It was to my inference from the comments that the book readers had been thoroughly upset with the show since it had taken a different route from the book, if you are content with the show then hurrah.The books is not the show so stop fucking comparing them and being disappointed
Who said anything about being disappointed? Stop discouraging your literate betters peasant!
*book plebian*
It was to my inference from the comments that the book readers had been thoroughly upset with the show since it had taken a different route from the book, if you are content with the show then hurrah.The books is not the show so stop fucking comparing them and being disappointed
Who said anything about being disappointed? Stop discouraging your literate betters peasant!
*book plebian*
It's not even an issue of book vs show anymore, its just shit writing.
It was to my inference from the comments that the book readers had been thoroughly upset with the show since it had taken a different route from the book, if you are content with the show then hurrah.The books is not the show so stop fucking comparing them and being disappointed
Who said anything about being disappointed? Stop discouraging your literate betters peasant!
*book plebian*
It's not even an issue of book vs show anymore, its just shit writing.
Still making money.
Me.
I hope he conquers the Iron Throne. But that won't happen because I like him. George R.R. Martin will surely kill him in the next episode.
Like think about it he is thinking about the realm and not himself and to be willing to kill your own child to save the realm from the others
*calls people retarded for liking a certain character in a TV show simply because it's not a character that he likes.Me.
I hope he conquers the Iron Throne. But that won't happen because I like him. George R.R. Martin will surely kill him in the next episode.
People who say this are fucking retarded
*calls people retarded for liking a certain character in a TV show simply because it's not a character that he likes.Me.
I hope he conquers the Iron Throne. But that won't happen because I like him. George R.R. Martin will surely kill him in the next episode.
People who say this are fucking retarded
Also Stannis is the one true king, he may not be a good man, but he's a man that puts the needs of the many over the needs of the few. He is willing to fight and sacrifice to protect the realm because lets face it. Tommen will not be able to defeat the Others (white walkers), he is no warrior king, stannis however is. That is what the realm needs, a warrior king.
Who else still likes Stannis
Yeah Stannis ain't the mannis for me any more
I mean through-out the whole show Stannis has been portrayed as a man who keeps his word and values loyalty and then out of nowhere the writers make him shit himself and burn his daughter alive. Nice one kidd0
Tbf Jamie is the one of the most realistic characters, knowing that honour means shit when innocent people are threatenedYeah, people in GoT are so honorable, they backstab each other all the time (literally).
Where as everyone is too concerned with honour.
I'm pretty sure the only character I can say I still 100% like is Bronn and Jon Snow
Except, one of these guys ain't lasting much longer
Another episode longer to be precise
*calls people retarded for liking a certain character in a TV show simply because it's not a character that he likes.Me.
I hope he conquers the Iron Throne. But that won't happen because I like him. George R.R. Martin will surely kill him in the next episode.
People who say this are fucking retarded
Also Stannis is the one true king, he may not be a good man, but he's a man that puts the needs of the many over the needs of the few. He is willing to fight and sacrifice to protect the realm because lets face it. Tommen will not be able to defeat the Others (white walkers), he is no warrior king, stannis however is. That is what the realm needs, a warrior king.
*calls people retarded for liking a certain character in a TV show simply because it's not a character that he likes.Me.
I hope he conquers the Iron Throne. But that won't happen because I like him. George R.R. Martin will surely kill him in the next episode.
People who say this are fucking retarded
Also Stannis is the one true king, he may not be a good man, but he's a man that puts the needs of the many over the needs of the few. He is willing to fight and sacrifice to protect the realm because lets face it. Tommen will not be able to defeat the Others (white walkers), he is no warrior king, stannis however is. That is what the realm needs, a warrior king.
Lol. I was referring to "I like this character, too bad Gurm is gonna kill them1!1!1!111"
Yeah. Mostly said by people who haven't read the books and don't understand the significance or rationale behind various character deaths.I have read book 1-4. And what I said was of course a joke. Do you believe I think that George R.R. Martin can look into my brain? Do you actually assume I'm that stupid?
SpoilerI didn't read Dance of Dragons but I had 95% of it spoiled for me. I'm walking that nice line of knowing what happens before it does and blissful ignorance
Anyways, I heard in the books the Nights Watch goes Caesar on Jon's ass am when the Widlings are coming through...is this true?[close]
I have read book 1-4. And what I said was of course a joke. Do you believe I think that George R.R. Martin can look into my brain? Do you actually assume I'm that stupid?
No, I don't think that. But many do.SpoilerI didn't read Dance of Dragons but I had 95% of it spoiled for me. I'm walking that nice line of knowing what happens before it does and blissful ignorance
Anyways, I heard in the books the Nights Watch goes Caesar on Jon's ass am when the Widlings are coming through...is this true?[close]SpoilerYeah, and in all likelihood it's probably gonna happen in the finale tomorrow. Prepare your bunghole[close]QuoteI have read book 1-4. And what I said was of course a joke. Do you believe I think that George R.R. Martin can look into my brain? Do you actually assume I'm that stupid?
I didn't know it was you who said but - I'm mainly talking in general since it does seem to be a pretty widespread belief that every good character is going to end up dying.
Davos stabs Stannislol that would be funny
Benjen hypeagreed
Since rendly ruled it and he had no children, that would make stannis the heir to the stormlands. Unless it was the king who ruled the stormlands in which case it would be tommen. Although i dont know enough about GTO to tell you exactly who.Spoileror a certain company lands in the storm lands.[close]
Also who currently rules the stormlands?
[spioler]HOLY SHIT THEY KILLED OFF DANAERYS[/spoiler];D
[spioler]HOLY SHIT THEY KILLED OFF DANAERYS[/spoiler]
Not sure if this finale is better or worse than Season 4s. They keep filling the episodes with useless filler plotline that makes no sense and is uninteresting, and then say "We don't have enough time in an episode for all those important plotlines". Jesus, it's a clusterfuck.
Game of Thrones recipe now =
When in doubt, just throw in some tittays and cheap shock value at the expense of cohesive story telling.
That.Spoileri'm sure Mellisandere will resurrect Jon Snow. And, Reek and Sansa jumped because the snow was thick enough to save their fall. RIP Stannis.[close]
Spoilerhttp://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview[close]
Major spoilers in here btw.
Yeah I mean why else would she go there?Well she would have went their to survive and escape the battle, but prior to this episode she tried to seduce Jon anyway, so I imagine with the revival he will be more willing to succumb to her plans.
SpoilerWe haven't seen Stannis' death. We can't be sure that he is dead.[close]
SpoilerWho else felt sad for Jamie[close]
Jorah, Dario and Tyrion are the best team everOnly people enjoyable now on the show
Pod!!!Jorah, Dario and Tyrion are the best team everOnly people enjoyable now on the show
Don't steal that stuff from Howe's facebook.
Was a bit mad at Brienne abandoning here duty :(Worked out alright for Sansa anyway, go Theon!
and he stole it from meDon't steal that stuff from Howe's facebook.
I stole it from the Kit Harrington article actually neger.
SpoilerAm i the only one whos hoping that Aegon Targaryen gets introduced to the show, i am sick of daenarys and from the book Aegon seems like a better ruler than daenarys by huge margin[close]
I thought they both commited suicide ?Was a bit mad at Brienne abandoning here duty :(Worked out alright for Sansa anyway, go Theon!
You would think, considering they jumped like double the distance that bitch fell when Theon launched her out of Sansa's way. I believe we are meant to assume the snow, despite clearly melting everywhere else, was thick enough at that part of Winterfell's wall that is cushioned their fall.I thought they both commited suicide ?Was a bit mad at Brienne abandoning here duty :(Worked out alright for Sansa anyway, go Theon!
(https://i.imgur.com/KcLwuLh.jpg)SpoilerThis series sucks.
Jon Snow didn't have to die.
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No one gives a fuck about Sansa. Stupid character, that's all[close]
SpoilerJon Snow was shit, he deserved to die.
Unlike Myrcella and Stannis.[close]
Stannis is probably not death. I'm still for him. Or in case for zombies.
(https://i.imgur.com/KcLwuLh.jpg)SpoilerThis series sucks.
Jon Snow didn't have to die.
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No one gives a fuck about Sansa. Stupid character, that's all[close]
The funniest thing about book reader elitism is that the books aren't even that great either. They're like mid-tier fantasy at most, and considering fantasy is a pleb genre anyway ASOIAF is the strangest pseudo-intellectual phenomenon ever.Yeah, at one point I realized that most (modern) fantasy books are just mass products and lots of them are actually pretty bad.
Won't stop me from loving it tho.
The funniest thing about book reader elitism is that the books aren't even that great either. They're like mid-tier fantasy at most, and considering fantasy is a pleb genre anyway ASOIAF is the strangest pseudo-intellectual phenomenon ever.
Won't stop me from loving it tho.
Okay, LotR was like a one time masterpiece. ASOIAF is close to LotR compared to some of the other shit out there. Understand that fantasy on this level is not a 1 year book thing. It literally takes decades to make this shit because what makes fantasy like this so great is that they have to create a world from fucking scratch. What does it look like? Who lives there? What do the people/thing living there do? Then you have to go much much MUCH deeper. What do they eat? How do they talk? What is their history? What is their culture? What do they wear? Are there other people in the world? If so then you have to do all of the shit i just said again. Then decide what the map looks like, the geography. Okay and then once you made the world, then you start writing the story. It is a HARD genre to write.
Of course it's biased ya ass, it's his personal opinion.Nipplestockings~ "look at my biased facts guys!"
Objectivity has it's place in literature.
A literary critic can be objective in his critique of literature.
Plz, don't compare GoT to LotR, that's disgusting.
The way i see it:
Lord of the Rings books (including Silmarillion and the Hobbit) > LOTR Movies > ASOIAF > Game of Thrones seasons 1-3 > The hobbit movies > GOT Season 4 > shitty animated Return of the king from the 70s > Tolkien's grocery list > LotR slash fanfics > the Star Wars Holiday Special > GoT season 5
The way i see it:
Lord of the Rings books (including Silmarillion and the Hobbit) > LOTR Movies > ASOIAF > Game of Thrones seasons 1-3 > The hobbit movies > GOT Season 4 > shitty animated Return of the king from the 70s > Tolkien's grocery list > LotR slash fanfics > the Star Wars Holiday Special > GoT season 5
The way i see it:
Lord of the Rings books (including Silmarillion and the Hobbit) > LOTR Movies > ASOIAF > Game of Thrones seasons 1-3 > The hobbit movies > GOT Season 4 > shitty animated Return of the king from the 70s > Tolkien's grocery list > LotR slash fanfics > the Star Wars Holiday Special > GoT season 5Spoilermad cuz stennis ded[close]
All things considered I thought this season was pretty good. Better than last season at least, which I really was not a fan of.
I wouldn't say the LOTR movies are better than the ASOIAF books btw.
The way i see it:
Lord of the Rings books (including Silmarillion and the Hobbit) > LOTR Movies > ASOIAF > Game of Thrones seasons 1-3 > The hobbit movies > GOT Season 4 > shitty animated Return of the king from the 70s > Tolkien's grocery list > LotR slash fanfics > the Star Wars Holiday Special > GoT season 5Spoilermad cuz stennis ded[close]SpoilerNah. As someone else put it:
"Stannis' has been dead in the show for a long time, his physical presence was irrelevant"[close]
And ya I was exaggerating with the star wars special :P
The way i see it:
Lord of the Rings books (including Silmarillion and the Hobbit) > LOTR Movies > ASOIAF > Game of Thrones seasons 1-3 > The hobbit movies > GOT Season 4 > shitty animated Return of the king from the 70s > Tolkien's grocery list > LotR slash fanfics > the Star Wars Holiday Special > GoT season 5Spoilermad cuz stennis ded[close]SpoilerNah. As someone else put it:
"Stannis' has been dead in the show for a long time, his physical presence was irrelevant"[close]
And ya I was exaggerating with the star wars special :P
Show Stannis: Stanley Barton
Anyone else getting on the hype train for sword of the morning in season 6?
Winds of Winter is probably going to come out before season 6. Maybe like in February or March according to some cryptic comments in interviews.
Winds of Winter is probably going to come out before season 6. Maybe like in February or March according to some cryptic comments in interviews.
OPTIMISMBOWL GET HYPE
OPTIMISMBOWL GET HYPE
It's 100% sure they are talking about the Arthur Dayne here. The actor won't matter they are just looking for literaly the most skilled swordsman in europe. So he probably got almost no lines to say meaning thats a flashback probably tower of joy.
SpoilerOh god..... I've just seen the scene where Stannis burns his daughter.... oh my god...........[close]
OPTIMISMBOWL GET HYPE
It's 100% sure they are talking about the Arthur Dayne here. The actor won't matter they are just looking for literaly the most skilled swordsman in europe. So he probably got almost no lines to say meaning thats a flashback probably tower of joy.
Yeah, there isn't anyone else it could be, the only other even possible option would be Randyl Tarly but he is not at all a "paragon of knighthood"SpoilerOh god..... I've just seen the scene where Stannis burns his daughter.... oh my god...........[close]
Stanley Barton
If Jon Snow dies, Im rage quiting the seris
Having seen all of the tv episodes, would it be worth it to read the books?
Pretty sure I read that they are casting something that links to Clegane Bowl on the show
#hype
Pretty sure I read that they are casting something that links to Clegane Bowl on the show
#hype
Who would they cast? They have already cast both of them.
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/10/game-thrones-stannis-deadSpoilers m8
I really doubt we'll see Aegon. They've already completely replaced his storyline with Jorah's up until this point.Yea, but imagine everyones face if he shows up.
Guys they have casted young Ned....
Guys they have casted young Ned....
In b4 Tower of Joy flashback!
Guys they have casted young Ned....
In b4 Tower of Joy flashback!
Young Ned is 12, well the actor who will be playing him is.
I'm pretty sure the directors said having two Targaryeans would be too confusing.It's fucking annoying that they think their viewers have the intelligence and attention span of a 5 year old kid.
SpoilerFarfetched as fuck but fun theory... holdin' out for a mannis
https://youtu.be/iXEuLmvU2fQ[close]
Uh yeah right and Jon Snow is Eddard Stark reincarnated.damn you figured it out ;)
Sansa is like 11 in the books which makes everything weirder. I like that the show made all the characters older.Idk that scene with Ramsay was still my fav. Sophie also said it was one of he favourites for the season and was not happy it showed theon... :P
Sansa is like 11 in the books which makes everything weirder. I like that the show made all the characters older.I don't know* that scene with Ramsay was still my fap*. Sophie also said it was one of her* favorites* for the season and she was* happy it showed Theon*... :P
SpoilerBaelish won't become King himself. He'll have a puppet instead.[close]
Seriously guys, note the theme at 6.20..... He will win. That's the King's theme we know from the Baratheons.
(part of) my theory *spoilers for newest books and potentially the next season(s)Jon Snow is resurrected by Melissandre. Why? Reasons, and Mel realizes them, quite obviously in the show (if you pay careful attention), but likely in the books, too. In the show, probably by some stupid way, but in the book likely through the sacrifice of someone, potentially Shireen (niece of a king?) or some similar fashion. Perhaps Stannis (brother of Baratheon) or Theon Greyjoy (relative to self-claimed Iron Kings) will fill this role as well (going off the books there, btw).
Baelish will put Sansa on the throne, fulfilling Cersei's prophecy more directly than Margaery did, and Sansa be dethroned by Jon Snow to be put in Winterfell as the continuation of a matrilineal Stark line.
Via the tools Bran is learning and the High Septon revealing himself as Howland Reed (disguised in order to gain extreme political power (as mentioned by Cersei) to serve his true lord Ned Stark), Jon Snow will be revealed as the bastard son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen, giving him a direct claim to the Iron Throne (similarly as to Gendry Waters + Robert Baratheon) and via his contract with the Night's Watch he becomes free to claim his... claim.
Through whatever means, it's revealed that either:
1. Aegon is really a mummer's dragon and has no real claim. Instead, it's revealed (potentially through Bran or Brynden Rivers) that Tyrion is the bastard child of Aerys II Targaryen and Lady Joanna (Tywin's wife), which in the books is suggested a good amount. It's even supported with Tywin's completeignorancerefusal to believe his childrens' incestuous affair (the one the entire realm knows!).
2. Aegon really is a Targaryen. Simple as that. Yay, Tyrion, you're fighting the good fight. Woohoo. (This is just too boring for GRRM though.)
Regardless of how this goes, either Aegon or Tyrion becomes one of the dragon heads of the dragon prophecy we've heard about a few times in the books. Good to remember. ^
The other two heads? Well, firstly, Daenerys. Pretty obvious. Her three dragons? Not the heads! It's literary trickery! Or it's not. Maybe it's extremely literal and super easy to predict. But... come on. GRRM. He's not writing fairy tales.
Danny, through her visions sent by Quaithe (who could/could not be Shiera Seastar, Targaryen bastard, seductress, supposed sorceress, and alleged lover of Brynden Rivers (the impossibly old dude who's teaching Bran shit, remember?), but that's probably not going to get revealed either way), will finally return to Westeros to support her own claim to the throne.
Okay. So third head. Well, obviously, Jon Snow. Fuck, the story is about him. A Song of Ice and Fire = A Story of Snow and Fire. A Story about Jon Snow, who is the bastard child of a Stark and a Targaryen. Eh, whatever. You get it, I hope.
How things turn out?
My predictions:
Iron Throne = JonSnowTargaryen + Daenerys Targaryen (I'm sure he'll get over Ygritte when he sees Danny. Maybe more so in the book.)
Westerlands = Tyrion Targaryen, potentially continuing the Lannister line, perhaps just to show that he saved the line. Even if he's not a Targaryen, however, or at least not shown as one (most realistic in my opinion), he'll be put there and would continue the Lannister line
Reach = Idk. Some Tyrell. It's pretty easy to kick Ironborn out of a land if you try hard enough
North = Already said, Sansa Stark, matrilineal marriage ftw
Riverlands = I can assume this will be returned to the Tullys. As far as I know there's still a few qualified leaders out there (BLACKFISH! BLACKFISH!)
Vale = I'm going to guess and say Harrold Hardyng, taking his Arryn lineage as his house. Fuck the tribes
Dorne = I guess Arianne Martell, idk who else would take the place, and I equally have no idea what the show's equivalent would be
Iron Islands = I'm sure thatDaario Naharis...uuh, I mean, Euron Greyjoy (okay, guys, the similarities and hints are ridiculous!), will probably just continue leading. Or Victarion, which will be cool, but I have no idea how religion would work out for him. Or Asha, that would equally be neat
Stormlands = This is the trickiest one, in my opinion. If Shireen lives, potentially her. If Stannis lives, potentially him. Fuck it, if Gendry is still kicking, maybe even him
And finally, we can't forget:
Azor Ahai = JonSnowTargaryen. It's just super appropriate. He'd likely be helped out by Bran and Coldhands, but fuck man, it's like... his thing. Oh, and leading the entire continent of Westeros into the future, or whatever. Maybe he'll even manage to bring some obedience to Drogon where Danny can't and end up riding him instead of Danny. Or he can ride her, too. Probably will. kek. Anyway, he fulfills the prophecy basically entirely so far and would definitely have some help. Like, the realm, the watch, the dragons...
That's basically my whole theory. There's more little things and plenty of alternate "paths" throughout it but that's more/less how I see it going down. Why'd you read this? Go read the Dunk and Egg books or something.[close]
No, it's actually far bigger than Britain. This is a decent comparison that is approved as canon.Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette2.wikia.nocookie.net%2Ficeandfire%2Fimages%2F0%2F09%2FWesteroseurocompar.jpg%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20110702125911&hash=134d131aca17823c5b01894b193f47e15d129911)[close]
How big is westerosi supposed to be? Is it like Britain, or like Africa?
No, it's actually far bigger than Britain. This is a decent comparison that is approved as canon.Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette2.wikia.nocookie.net%2Ficeandfire%2Fimages%2F0%2F09%2FWesteroseurocompar.jpg%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20110702125911&hash=134d131aca17823c5b01894b193f47e15d129911)[close]
Once ASoI&F is done I want someone to make a version that its 300 years in the future, where they have developed firearms. Just sayin it'd be pretty badass because no ones dones a fantasy world where they have evolved past the medieval times. And there will be empires and whats across the Sunset Sea would be "The New world". Idk I thinks it'd be cool.
Yeah, that's to be honest one of my least favorite things about GoT. The layout is very goofy, as if it's like one of those fantasy things were each society or creatures has a certain area that they adapted to, but the areas are so different from one another that it's a bit ridiculous. It's like the expansion areas of World of Warcraft, but given that GRRM is a huge fan of D&D and surely would like WoW if he doesn't play it already, that can be expected.
Yeah there are tons of places we have no information on from the books, like Yi Ti and Ibben. Also, Essos kind of looks like Martin got lazy and just turned westeros sideways.
Once ASoI&F is done I want someone to make a version that its 300 years in the future, where they have developed firearms. Just sayin it'd be pretty badass because no ones dones a fantasy world where they have evolved past the medieval times. And there will be empires and whats across the Sunset Sea would be "The New world". Idk I thinks it'd be cool.
I always wanted to play D&D but seems expensive. and nobody i know has ever played it either
Just sayin it'd be pretty badass because no ones dones a fantasy world where they have evolved past the medieval times.
QuoteJust sayin it'd be pretty badass because no ones dones a fantasy world where they have evolved past the medieval times.
Umm, Warhammer? Nigga that's the whole point of the franchise.
a sign saying 'traitor' ?
All of that was really stupid.
It's not hard to guess what happens next in a good amount of it. Fluffing it up to specify the episodes in which things happen is just bullshitting in order to be convincing.
RIP Johny Snow amirite
What is this TV series?
April, just like every other season.i just binged watched it a little while ago XD
What is this TV series?
lol could they be any more subtle?
I like it when the Death Star blows up that one planet
Secret TheorySome people actually claim that the book series is supposed to be about Jon Snow considering the book series franchise title and Jon Snows "secret" parents.[close]
I can't get over how he had Stannis kill his daughter..
Also for being one of the best commanders of Westeroes he didn't have a very brilliant plan.
lol could they be any more subtle?
It's already painfully obvious he's not going to be dead.
>It's going to be a danny season
why live?
Im more excited for Book 6 than Season 6
Im more excited for Book 6 than Season 6Im more excited for season 6. I'm only on book 3 and I have no time to read the series :(
Anyone here read a knight of the seven kingdoms?Yeah, why?
The North Remembers, my lord Bolton, the North Remembers...
Question: I heard that the last season of the tv series is very different from the plot of the books. Is that true? Can you explain me in what is different? Ty :)
So that means Stannis is actually dead in the show? I didn't think that, I thought Benioff and Weiss would come up with some BS excuse again how Brienne spared him. Noice.Hey...know who he didnt mention?
Looks like she gained a bit of weight in the face. Besides that I think it's just her warm clothing bulking her up.
spoiler for season 6: han solo dies
spoiler for season 6: han solo dies
I'm a book reader and I'm debating whether I should wait until winds of winter to be released or go ahead and watch the new season when it releases. What are you guys planning to do?
To my knowledge Winds of Winter is supposed to be released sometime this year to early next year.
I'm a book reader and I'm debating whether I should wait until winds of winter to be released or go ahead and watch the new season when it releases. What are you guys planning to do?
To my knowledge Winds of Winter is supposed to be released sometime this year to early next year.
Winds of Winter is probably not going to be released by the end of 2016, unfortunately. I think he said it in that big blog post he made. I would watch the show expecting it to spoil some stuff but I hope they will be classy and GRRM won't let them go full retard. Then again, GRRM seems to be trying to focus on his writing now so maybe he gave them full artistic license *shudder*
"An illustrated guide to all 704 deaths in 'Game of Thrones'".Haha who was the autistic wagecuck at WP collecting all this garbage?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/entertainment/game-of-thrones/
lol hope he got paid for doing that, otherwise rip his life"An illustrated guide to all 704 deaths in 'Game of Thrones'".Haha who was the autistic wagecuck at WP collecting all this garbage?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/entertainment/game-of-thrones/
NEW TRAILER!https://www.facebook.com/GameOfThrones/videos/10153643734562734/
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It's my birthday but I'm more excited for Game of Thrones
It's my nameday but I'm more excited for Game of Thrones
Happy nameday!
Any good sites where one can watch it (except HBO ofc)?couchtuner will probably have it up in like 30 minutes
Any good sites where one can watch it (except HBO ofc)?http://tunemovie.tv/search/game+of+thrones.html
This weeks episode was kinda disappointing tbh. Next weeks episode looks pretty good thoughNot even, the ending fucking blew my mind
I came (https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/41/1.0)SpoilerWelp, RIP everyone who liked the looks of Mellisandra...[close]
¨SpoilerWelp, RIP everyone who liked the looks of Mellisandra...[close]
1st episode s6 spoilersHoly fuck, that Dorne-storyline came like fucking nothing. Both the Prince and his heir dead in a matter of minutes (like, where the fuck did those two Sand Snakes come from anyway? I don't remember them coming along last season). It's sorta sad though. The Prince understood the horrors of war and didn't want Dorne to join in, while his people obviously do want to join the war. This is pretty clear in the books as well. Anyway, with Trystan dead (and I don't remember him having any brothers or sisters in the TV-series), who is inheriting Dorne? The oldest sandsnake as oldest child of Oberyn? Will they declare war just to get rid of the Lannisters? That's a hopeless cause anyway, Dorne isn't a strong nation.
I'm trying to wrap my head around what the Mellisandre-scene meant. Surely it has some meaning other then showing the extend of Fire magic?
Also, goddamn Arya storyline.[close]
1st episode s6 spoilersHoly fuck, that Dorne-storyline came like fucking nothing. Both the Prince and his heir dead in a matter of minutes (like, where the fuck did those two Sand Snakes come from anyway? I don't remember them coming along last season). It's sorta sad though. The Prince understood the horrors of war and didn't want Dorne to join in, while his people obviously do want to join the war. This is pretty clear in the books as well. Anyway, with Trystan dead (and I don't remember him having any brothers or sisters in the TV-series), who is inheriting Dorne? The oldest sandsnake as oldest child of Oberyn? Will they declare war just to get rid of the Lannisters? That's a hopeless cause anyway, Dorne isn't a strong nation.
I'm trying to wrap my head around what the Mellisandre-scene meant. Surely it has some meaning other then showing the extend of Fire magic?
Also, goddamn Arya storyline.[close]
1st episode s6 spoilersHoly fuck, that Dorne-storyline came like fucking nothing. Both the Prince and his heir dead in a matter of minutes (like, where the fuck did those two Sand Snakes come from anyway? I don't remember them coming along last season). It's sorta sad though. The Prince understood the horrors of war and didn't want Dorne to join in, while his people obviously do want to join the war. This is pretty clear in the books as well. Anyway, with Trystan dead (and I don't remember him having any brothers or sisters in the TV-series), who is inheriting Dorne? The oldest sandsnake as oldest child of Oberyn? Will they declare war just to get rid of the Lannisters? That's a hopeless cause anyway, Dorne isn't a strong nation.
I'm trying to wrap my head around what the Mellisandre-scene meant. Surely it has some meaning other then showing the extend of Fire magic?
Also, goddamn Arya storyline.[close]SpoilerWell, the scene firstly confirms a theory that many bookreaders have for years now: That Melisandre is actually a lot older than she seems and just by the magic of her necklace (which exists in the book aswell) keeps her youthful appearance (some people even say she is the daughter of Shiera "Seastar" and Brynden "Bloodraven").
Apart from that there are three possible scenarios in my opinion:
a) She is realising that with Stannis' death he is not Azhor Asshai as she thought he was. That makes every single one of her efforts pointless since she bet on the wrong horse and committed all these horrible things (shadow demon baby, burning shireen, etc) for no reason. She accepts fate and that she has failed in saving the world thus giving up her deceiving mask, laying down to finally die like an old cat (she pulls the blanket over her head, not sure why she would do that if she doesn't want to die)
b) She is living through a crisis in her faith (due to Stannis' death) similar to Thoros of Myr right before he first resurrected Beric Dondarrion. Maybe it is a setup from D&D to Jon's resurrection.
c) Since Mel has bet on the wrong horse she has to look for alternatives, and the only real option is obviously Jon Snow. She knows that resurrecting him will not be an easy task so she has to prepare herself for it. Keeping the youthful appearance most likely costs some of her magic/witchcraft so she lays off the mask to gather as much strength as possible to work towards the massive feat of reviving Jon.
Only theories though.[close]
What do you mean?
What do you mean?SpoilerThis basically looks as if she had THREE backbones
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffs5.directupload.net%2Fimages%2F160425%2Fe9wxhnjq.png&hash=f02f265f06aa6a54f882ca4f76bc0ec00d9c95ee)[close]
SpoilerWell it's more or less confirmed that Jon will live since we got additional evidence in this episode,
"I saw him in the flames he was fighting at Winterfell" - Melissandre.[close]
SpoilerKinda pissed about the Dorne storyline as we're stuck with the shitsnakes now :( Also the whole betrayal just came off as odd and rushed and I don't buy it as a plot point. It was too random. Might have been better if they'd thought of a more Red Wedding-esque way to do it rather than literally just a surprise stab with no build up whatsoever. I mean fuck Doran's son looked like he didn't give a shit either way. That whole Dorne storyline ruined the episode for me-the book plot was better imo[close]
SpoilerKinda pissed about the Dorne storyline as we're stuck with the shitsnakes now :( Also the whole betrayal just came off as odd and rushed and I don't buy it as a plot point. It was too random. Might have been better if they'd thought of a more Red Wedding-esque way to do it rather than literally just a surprise stab with no build up whatsoever. I mean fuck Doran's son looked like he didn't give a shit either way. That whole Dorne storyline ruined the episode for me-the book plot was better imo[close]Spoilerpissed about the death of close family relatives -> kill two more close family relatives ->. Profit?[close]
SpoilerKinda pissed about the Dorne storyline as we're stuck with the shitsnakes now :( Also the whole betrayal just came off as odd and rushed and I don't buy it as a plot point. It was too random. Might have been better if they'd thought of a more Red Wedding-esque way to do it rather than literally just a surprise stab with no build up whatsoever. I mean fuck Doran's son looked like he didn't give a shit either way. That whole Dorne storyline ruined the episode for me-the book plot was better imo[close]Spoilerpissed about the death of close family relatives -> kill two more close family relatives ->. Profit?[close]SpoilerThats a good point lmao. Tbh, the whole "choose one" "ok! I choose you!" *gets stabbed through face* was fucking hilarious to me. Cause for the split second that he wasnt facing her I was thinking "Wait...she really gonna let him duke it out?"[close]
I think they ruined Stannis more tbh.
The woman with the wooden mask. She plays a more significant role in the books.Oh alright, she seems pretty redundant in the TV show, everyone in Qarth does really
SpoilerI don't know what I think about Jorah slowly dying I mean from my understanding he's healthy in the books? Also speaking of the Estos storyline am I the only one who got pissed that Barristan just got killed off last season? I mean he was supposed to be the best knight in Westeros and he just got killed off in a fucking street fight kind off anti climatic especially since he's still alive in the books.[close]
SpoilerI don't know what I think about Jorah slowly dying I mean from my understanding he's healthy in the books? Also speaking of the Estos storyline am I the only one who got pissed that Barristan just got killed off last season? I mean he was supposed to be the best knight in Westeros and he just got killed off in a fucking street fight kind off anti climatic especially since he's still alive in the books.[close]
SpoilerBit confused about the Melisandre thing: in an earlier episode we saw her in a bathtub without the necklace, yet she maintained her young appearance. Continuity error? Or, might she be able to maintain the appearance through willpower for a short time (being well practiced in the arts), considering that she did not instantly lose her young looks once she took the necklace off (bearing in mind by this point she is going through a crisis of faith, so has very little willpower).[close]
Spoilerhow come gendry or whatever his name was didn't show up at all[close]
SpoilerWith the current events I can indeed confirm that hotpie=darkstar[close]
SpoilerBit confused about the Melisandre thing: in an earlier episode we saw her in a bathtub without the necklace, yet she maintained her young appearance. Continuity error? Or, might she be able to maintain the appearance through willpower for a short time (being well practiced in the arts), considering that she did not instantly lose her young looks once she took the necklace off (bearing in mind by this point she is going through a crisis of faith, so has very little willpower).[close]
SpoilerWhoever he is, he's a granny shagger.[close]
SpoilerIt was so predictable like I thought "here ill betcha she thinks he failed and then like when hes alone or smth he'll GASP for air" However after they zoomed into Ghost I thought maybe he would warg that shit up and be the Direwolf but then I thought "or perhaps they'll do it when theyre burning his body" like with the whole Azor Ahai reborn from ashes and black smoke. Dont get me wrong, the scene itself was alright but its a damn shame that so many people were looking at outside details like the actor's contracts n shit to find out whether hed be back or not[close]
I gotta reread the books, I can no longer tell what is canon and what isnt anymore and who these names are
Its been at least 3 years since I finished book 5
SpoilerI am quite sure that Jon will not be the same he was before.
But hey, what the hell is going on with Baelish? He's marching with a fockin huge army of Lannies and Valemen towards the North but yet he hasn't been given an appearance. Shame![close]
SpoilerI am quite sure that Jon will not be the same he was before.
But hey, what the hell is going on with Baelish? He's marching with a fockin huge army of Lannies and Valemen towards the North but yet he hasn't been given an appearance. Shame![close]SpoilerBut...is he? He told Cersei to take the Vale army up there, but Littlefinger wouldn't be Littlefinger if he keeps a few cards up his sleeve. Maybe he'll side with the North/Wildlings/Jon Stark army.[close]
SpoilerThe only person that couldve officially made Jon a Stark and lord of Winterfell was Stannis and hes dead as shit[close]
SpoilerIm a book reader you shitter. I just can't remember anything. Is there anyone else that can?[close]
SpoilerIm a book reader you shitter. I just can't remember anything. Is there anyone else that can?[close]
Its only toxic if everything you read is in an aggressive tone.SpoilerIm a book reader you shitter. I just can't remember anything. Is there anyone else that can?[close]
I would really be happy if you could stop being toxic all the time, thank you very much in advance.
SpoilerIm a book reader you shitter. I just can't remember anything. Is there anyone else that can?[close]
SpoilerWasnt it lost though? Who has it?[close]
SpoilerDon't think this is entirely relevant, but in the second trailer you can observe Davos speaking to someone inside what appears to be the Mormont keep (accepting that the shields on the wall bear [lol] the sigil of the Mormonts).It is then possible to assume that the 'Mormont delivering the message to Jon concerning his legitimacy' lead has somehow led the story to Bear Island, linking the series back to the books, considering that Davos is part of team Jon.Spoiler(https://i.imgur.com/VrONd58.png)[close]Spoilerstupid speculation at its finest[close][close]
The Mormont bear stands on all fours, so no.But which other House is it supposed to be then?
Spoilerso you think Jon snow and sansa will see each other. And you think Jon will come with sansa to take back the north?[close]
Idk if at this point its still worth it
SpoilerBaratheon's sigil is a stag you shitter
Speaking of which...arent they like...extinct? I dont remember George RR Martin writing of any other Baratheons except the fat king. I know Tommen and Myrcella (in the books) kind of count as Baratheons but they're not not bloodline baratheons[close]
Who/where is Edric Storm?
Also who is this Azor Ahai guy I keep hearin' aboot
Who/where is Edric Storm?
Also who is this Azor Ahai guy I keep hearin' abootSpoilerEdric is one of Roberts bastards in the books that effectively got replaced by Gendry's storyline in the show. In the books Gendry is in some smithy/tavern w/some orphans.
Azor Ahai is a prophesied savior reincarnated that will save the world. No one really knows who it is yet but it's highly hinted that it's Jon Snow.[close]
Who/where is Edric Storm?
Also who is this Azor Ahai guy I keep hearin' abootSpoilerEdric is one of Roberts bastards in the books that effectively got replaced by Gendry's storyline in the show. In the books Gendry is in some smithy/tavern w/some orphans.
Azor Ahai is a prophesied savior reincarnated that will save the world. No one really knows who it is yet but it's highly hinted that it's Jon Snow.[close]
Who/where is Edric Storm?
Also who is this Azor Ahai guy I keep hearin' abootSpoilerEdric is one of Roberts bastards in the books that effectively got replaced by Gendry's storyline in the show. In the books Gendry is in some smithy/tavern w/some orphans.
Azor Ahai is a prophesied savior reincarnated that will save the world. No one really knows who it is yet but it's highly hinted that it's Jon Snow.[close]SpoilerNah, it's definitely Stannis in the books fuck the show[close]
Who/where is Edric Storm?
Also who is this Azor Ahai guy I keep hearin' abootSpoilerEdric is one of Roberts bastards in the books that effectively got replaced by Gendry's storyline in the show. In the books Gendry is in some smithy/tavern w/some orphans.
Azor Ahai is a prophesied savior reincarnated that will save the world. No one really knows who it is yet but it's highly hinted that it's Jon Snow.[close]SpoilerNah, it's definitely Stannis in the books fuck the show[close]SpoilerWell Stannis was thought to be Azor Ahai in the show aswell.. But yeah he's dead now so..[close]
^Spoileri really hate how they always kill the wolves. It bothers me more than when the actual character dies[close]
dude that shit was badass
TWO swords
TWO
SpoilerNah I still really like the show, this is where things get interesting.
Hyped to see Arya's new abilties, more of Bran going into the past n shit, and where Jon Snow goes[close]
They killed shaggydog. Those fucks are gonna burnSpoilerThe Umbers are actually still loyal to the Starks and their handing over of Rickon is just a ruse
screen cap this lads[close]
They killed shaggydog. Those fucks are gonna burnSpoilerThe Umbers are actually still loyal to the Starks and their handing over of Rickon is just a ruse
screen cap this lads[close]
SpoilerThe Umbers are actually still loyal to the Starks and their handing over of Rickon is just a ruse
screen cap this lads[close]SpoilerThey killed shaggydog. Those fucks are gonna burn[close]
SpoilerMy thoughts:
The duel was shit, and they decided to go with 7v2 instead of 7v3 in the books? Why? Also Ned looks like he's 15. I think maybe the guy who choreographed the shit snakes fight scenes got hired to do that one as well. Tbh all the fighting scenes have just been terrible so far this season apart from Brienne vs the dog handlers.
I agree that the wolf head looks kinda small but then again I've noticed the depiction of the wolves has gotten smaller since season 3. I don't think Rickon will go the same way as Theon though, Jon will save his ass.
Overall I'd give it a 6/10. It was a bit disappointing but alright. Season 6 looks like it's going the way of season 5, i.e. the first 5 or 6 episodes aren't as good but the last few are much better.[close]
Rickon is going to be Reek 2.0, and all of you know it.Hope not...
SpoilerMy thoughts:
The duel was shit, and they decided to go with 7v2 instead of 7v3 in the books? Why? Also Ned looks like he's 15. I think maybe the guy who choreographed the shit snakes fight scenes got hired to do that one as well. Tbh all the fighting scenes have just been terrible so far this season apart from Brienne vs the dog handlers.
I agree that the wolf head looks kinda small but then again I've noticed the depiction of the wolves has gotten smaller since season 3. I don't think Rickon will go the same way as Theon though, Jon will save his ass.
Overall I'd give it a 6/10. It was a bit disappointing but alright. Season 6 looks like it's going the way of season 5, i.e. the first 5 or 6 episodes aren't as good but the last few are much better.[close]SpoilerSmall? It wasn't small, it was decent size compared with Lord Umber.
Yeah Ned seemed too young to be leading a fight and doing better than his bodyguards in a pretty disappointing fight scene leading us on yet another cliff hanger.Spoiler[close][close]
Why do you watch the show if you don't like it? That's what I hate about book readers, they watch the show and then just complain about it 24/7, like fuck off m8.
tfw u realize the books aren't even good :'(tfw when you are an anarchist so your opinion is irrelevant
rekttfw u realize the books aren't even good :'(tfw when you are an anarchist so your opinion is irrelevant
super rektrekttfw u realize the books aren't even good :'(tfw when you are an anarchist so your opinion is irrelevant
SpoilerThe fuck where those face effects when they where hung? Hanging turns your face a bit blue but it doesn't go fucking blueberry Gatorade colour.[close]
Have you seen someone hung or something?SpoilerThe fuck where those face effects when they where hung? Hanging turns your face a bit blue but it doesn't go fucking blueberry Gatorade colour.[close]
Life has lost its luster
It's been painfully clear that they aren't trying to follow the books, they are taking their own direction with it which is completely fine.Why do you watch the show if you don't like it? That's what I hate about book readers, they watch the show and then just complain about it 24/7, like fuck off m8.
It's frustrating to see a perfectly good story changed. Obviously some parts need to be left out of the tv show due to time constraints, but there's no need to facelift the entire story. I almost feel like the show is just a fan fic of the books, which is bothersome.
It's been painfully clear that they aren't trying to follow the books, they are taking their own direction with it which is completely fine.Why do you watch the show if you don't like it? That's what I hate about book readers, they watch the show and then just complain about it 24/7, like fuck off m8.
It's frustrating to see a perfectly good story changed. Obviously some parts need to be left out of the tv show due to time constraints, but there's no need to facelift the entire story. I almost feel like the show is just a fan fic of the books, which is bothersome.
I like the show more than the books.
thats nice. I don't see what that has to do with game of thrones thoI like the show more than the books.
What a coincidence, I like everyone else here more than you.
It's been painfully clear that they aren't trying to follow the books, they are taking their own direction with it which is completely fine.Why do you watch the show if you don't like it? That's what I hate about book readers, they watch the show and then just complain about it 24/7, like fuck off m8.
It's frustrating to see a perfectly good story changed. Obviously some parts need to be left out of the tv show due to time constraints, but there's no need to facelift the entire story. I almost feel like the show is just a fan fic of the books, which is bothersome.
It's completely fine if you're a show fan and a show-only fan. But if you're a book fan, that's very much different, it's like making Harry Potter give up wizardry to become a porn star. If you haven't read the books, and don't plan to, don't say they mean nothing when you don't have any indication of how they compare to the show. Many, many people, including myself, think the books are faaaar better than the show, and are even more so better with this season and the last. Not a single book fan that I've sat down and talked to about Game of Thrones has said they enjoy the shows better, and that's disappointing given how big the budget is and how many people they have constantly working on the show. You know how many people worked on the books? A few. Namely one. With nothing but savings and spare time to get it out. There's no reason the show should be pissing so many people off, but it is, and they don't care about fixing it.
So again, shut up if you haven't read the books. It's like denying 9/11 because you weren't there to see it yourself.
thats nice. I don't see what that has to do with game of thrones thoI like the show more than the books.
What a coincidence, I like everyone else here more than you.
Book readers shouldn't watch the show and then proceed to complain about how bad the show is and how much better the books are.
SpoilerListen, now that Danny's fleet is burned, and I can only imagine they're going to run out of seasons eventually, I truly believe that by the series' end, I don't believe Danny will ever actually make it to Westeros, and neither will Tyrion+co.
I believe they'll recapture the Slaver Bay cities, make a kingdom, and leave Westeros to fuckall.
In regards to the Ice and Fire theories revolving around Jon and Danny, many believe that they'll do something together. Am I the ONLY one that thinks that perhaps it could be referencing two completely different kingdoms/storylines on both Essos and Westeros?
Edit:
In regards to Tommen. Unlike EVERYONE thinking he'll turn into some sort of monster like Jeoffrey, I think he'll be a good king. He's not crazy, he's weak. Weak kings need teachers and advisors. For a moment, I want you to forget the Dorne-Lannister war we all know is coming.
Cersei is a strong leader. She's crazy, but she's strong and all of you know it. The High Sparrow is a spiritual leader. I can see both Cersei and the High Sparrow dying eventually, but I think Tommen will take in information from both of them like a sponge at a moderate level. A king whom is strong, and is spiritually knowledgeable.
I think the real winner of the Game of Thrones will end in an Independent North recaptured by a claim of either (take your pick) of the remaining Starks aided by Jon and the Wildlings, and Tommen ruling as a Just king in the South.
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Just my two cents.
Edited upon more thoughts.
Darkstar=Hotpie
Fictional characters doesn't have to you blyat.
Fictional characters doesn't have to you blyat.
I mean unless they are some sort of superhero I'm pretty sure they do die. We just don't read it in the books or see it on TV.
SpoilerListen, now that Danny's fleet is burned, and I can only imagine they're going to run out of seasons eventually, I truly believe that by the series' end, I don't believe Danny will ever actually make it to Westeros, and neither will Tyrion+co.
I believe they'll recapture the Slaver Bay cities, make a kingdom, and leave Westeros to fuckall.
In regards to the Ice and Fire theories revolving around Jon and Danny, many believe that they'll do something together. Am I the ONLY one that thinks that perhaps it could be referencing two completely different kingdoms/storylines on both Essos and Westeros?
Edit:
In regards to Tommen. Unlike EVERYONE thinking he'll turn into some sort of monster like Jeoffrey, I think he'll be a good king. He's not crazy, he's weak. Weak kings need teachers and advisors. For a moment, I want you to forget the Dorne-Lannister war we all know is coming.
Cersei is a strong leader. She's crazy, but she's strong and all of you know it. The High Sparrow is a spiritual leader. I can see both Cersei and the High Sparrow dying eventually, but I think Tommen will take in information from both of them like a sponge at a moderate level. A king whom is strong, and is spiritually knowledgeable.
I think the real winner of the Game of Thrones will end in an Independent North recaptured by a claim of either (take your pick) of the remaining Starks aided by Jon and the Wildlings, and Tommen ruling as a Just king in the South.
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Just my two cents.
Edited upon more thoughts.
Never thought of that, dank theory.
SpoilerIf Bran somehow is able to "change history", I'm done. That's retarded. It's Game of Thrones, not Back to the Future :/[close]
SpoilerListen, now that Danny's fleet is burned, and I can only imagine they're going to run out of seasons eventually, I truly believe that by the series' end, I don't believe Danny will ever actually make it to Westeros, and neither will Tyrion+co.
I believe they'll recapture the Slaver Bay cities, make a kingdom, and leave Westeros to fuckall.
In regards to the Ice and Fire theories revolving around Jon and Danny, many believe that they'll do something together. Am I the ONLY one that thinks that perhaps it could be referencing two completely different kingdoms/storylines on both Essos and Westeros?
Edit:
In regards to Tommen. Unlike EVERYONE thinking he'll turn into some sort of monster like Jeoffrey, I think he'll be a good king. He's not crazy, he's weak. Weak kings need teachers and advisors. For a moment, I want you to forget the Dorne-Lannister war we all know is coming.
Cersei is a strong leader. She's crazy, but she's strong and all of you know it. The High Sparrow is a spiritual leader. I can see both Cersei and the High Sparrow dying eventually, but I think Tommen will take in information from both of them like a sponge at a moderate level. A king whom is strong, and is spiritually knowledgeable.
I think the real winner of the Game of Thrones will end in an Independent North recaptured by a claim of either (take your pick) of the remaining Starks aided by Jon and the Wildlings, and Tommen ruling as a Just king in the South.
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Just my two cents.
Edited upon more thoughts.
Never thought of that, dank theory.
Sooo...what about the White Walkers? Where do they fit in?
SpoilerListen, now that Danny's fleet is burned, and I can only imagine they're going to run out of seasons eventually, I truly believe that by the series' end, I don't believe Danny will ever actually make it to Westeros, and neither will Tyrion+co.
I believe they'll recapture the Slaver Bay cities, make a kingdom, and leave Westeros to fuckall.
In regards to the Ice and Fire theories revolving around Jon and Danny, many believe that they'll do something together. Am I the ONLY one that thinks that perhaps it could be referencing two completely different kingdoms/storylines on both Essos and Westeros?
Edit:
In regards to Tommen. Unlike EVERYONE thinking he'll turn into some sort of monster like Jeoffrey, I think he'll be a good king. He's not crazy, he's weak. Weak kings need teachers and advisors. For a moment, I want you to forget the Dorne-Lannister war we all know is coming.
Cersei is a strong leader. She's crazy, but she's strong and all of you know it. The High Sparrow is a spiritual leader. I can see both Cersei and the High Sparrow dying eventually, but I think Tommen will take in information from both of them like a sponge at a moderate level. A king whom is strong, and is spiritually knowledgeable.
I think the real winner of the Game of Thrones will end in an Independent North recaptured by a claim of either (take your pick) of the remaining Starks aided by Jon and the Wildlings, and Tommen ruling as a Just king in the South.
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Just my two cents.
Edited upon more thoughts.
Never thought of that, dank theory.
Sooo...what about the White Walkers? Where do they fit in?SpoilerMy theory is that the White Walkers built the wall as a method of keeping Man out of the Far North. I find it hard to believe humans were capable of building it. The long winter we've heard about before was a counter-invasion to repel expansive humans from going any further.
I feel the White Walkers will invade and make their point. I don't see any full scale WW v Human war, I find that unrealistic. Is it not correct their magic does not work beyond the wall to the South?
^Someone confirm that. I've heard somewhere it doesn't work beyond the Wall, but if it does, my theory is busted, essentially.
I feel the White Walkers are just a result of pissed off beings (whatever they may be) protecting their lands in a series of retaliating attacks versus different species (man and the wildlings).
I do not see them playing any significant role as the series continues, just as eye-candy, viewer-candy antagonists.
Offense, in many cases, is the best defense.[close]
We all [die] eventually.
Fictional characters doesn't have to you blyat.
SpoilerI faintly remember reading in the books that sound of a greenseer's voice merely sounded like the wind to the people with whom they try to communicate; this would explain why Ned turned around, Bran's voice sounding like a gust of wind.. I may be confusing this with the whispering sounds that the weirwoods make, however.[close]
Dude the white walkers are going to the biggest thing vital to the plot. The first men built the wall with the help of the children of the forest, not the white walkers.
It may be, but as I said, not entirely sure.I faintly remember something about that as well. First book, perhaps?SpoilerI faintly remember reading in the books that sound of a greenseer's voice merely sounded like the wind to the people with whom they try to communicate; this would explain why Ned turned around, Bran's voice sounding like a gust of wind.. I may be confusing this with the whispering sounds that the weirwoods make, however.[close]
Has anyone read the Dunk and Egg novellas? I'm about half way through Sword Sworn right now and though I know pretty much all of the material it's definitely a really good, smooth read. It's oddly easy and fluent yet extremely well written, and it matches the writing skill of GRRM in his later books (duh, this is a later series).
I think the character design and development is some of the best in the series around A Feast for Crows, A Dance with Dragons, the Rogue Prince/The Princess and the Queen, and the Dunk and Egg stories. The characters are just really well rounded, even if we barely see them, and if a character of any importance dies, no matter how quickly, it's like "ahh no, fuck, that guy was awesome!"Dunk+Egg book 1+2 spoilersBaelor Breakspear, why'd ya have ta go :'(
I'm just meeting Rohanne, I know her character from the wiki, but I'm trying to avoid spoilers (any more than I already know). I'm really curious about how her relationships between Eustace and Dunk will turn out, but I'll probably finish the book by tomorrow or the next day so there won't be much waiting. Looking forward to it![close]
audiate does this look like the Sworn Sword thread .??!ye
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SpoilerRobin is such an idiot.... he is Petyr's puppet, nothing more.[close]
SpoilerRobin is such an idiot.... he is Petyr's puppet, nothing more.[close]SpoilerConsidering that he had no father figure and is clearly a sickly boy, what else would you expect?[close]
Can you imagine if they had Sweets in the series lmao
At least with this season we are being prepared for something very good.
The show hasn't deteriorated in quality since the first season imo lol.
SpoilerI somehow have a feeling that things will end very, very bad for Tyrion. Daeny is going mad exactly like the Mad King did, burning everyone in her way. And I do not think she will like the deal that Tyrion has arranged....[close]
SpoilerIt'd take a lot for Danny to kill off Tyrion. That's a pretty out there theory.[close]
ur gay lol
lmaoGo home and be a family man, Bondage.
dont forget to tip that fedora
If all fight scenes were realistic then they'd be over VERY quickly and would also be boring to watch, which nobody wants.
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+1 Matt Easton, that was a good video and I had personally thought dual wielding was a-historical until I saw that. Either way it just looked kind of goofy in the scene. I'm glad to hear at least there's some basis for it in Europe though.
Imo the best realistic sword fight ever depicted on TV/Film is probably Achilles vs Hector in Troy (2004).
Spoilerbut than again Jorah seems to have taken the role of Jon Connington with his greyscale etc.[close]
SpoilerDual-wielding sources from the Medieval/early Renaissance period come from Bologna not Florence. You're right it was a fairly rare technique since fighting with two swords is a dumb idea as opposed to a sword and a shield. This guy is an expert on swords/armour/weapons etc here's his fight review (he also takes a lot about the history which is interesting imo):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drd8dQKr-oY
The sword fights in GoT have mostly been okay, some have been absolutely terrible, but there's only one or two really good ones across the six seasons so far. Imo the best realistic sword fight ever depicted on TV/Film is probably Achilles vs Hector in Troy (2004).[close]
It's either add more story lines, or just stretch the current ones out which would be just more of the same shit we see now.
It's either add more story lines, or just stretch the current ones out which would be just more of the same shit we see now.SpoilerThe three dragons could have been Aegon "Young Griff" Targaryen, Daenarys Targaryen & Jon Snow (Targaryen)[close]
Episode 5 got leaked, ggwp.
Gotta warn you lads, this episode. Will bring tears to your eyes. :'(
Gotta warn you lads, this episode. Will bring tears to your eyes. :'(
HOLD THE DOORkys
It's either add more story lines, or just stretch the current ones out which would be just more of the same shit we see now.SpoilerThe three dragons could have been Aegon "Young Griff" Targaryen, Daenarys Targaryen & Jon Snow (Targaryen)[close]SpoilerNo. The show is going to have a happy ending. The fan favorites that everyone sucks off will be the three dragons. (Snow, tyrion, dany)[close]
I mean in the show.It's either add more story lines, or just stretch the current ones out which would be just more of the same shit we see now.SpoilerThe three dragons could have been Aegon "Young Griff" Targaryen, Daenarys Targaryen & Jon Snow (Targaryen)[close]SpoilerNo. The show is going to have a happy ending. The fan favorites that everyone sucks off will be the three dragons. (Snow, tyrion, dany)[close]SpoilerHow is that a happy ending or fan favorites? The way GRRM has been writing it for the past decade and something years highly points towards it, much more so than with Young Griff. Danny is the sister of Rhaegar, which means she's descended from the prophesized line of Aerys II and Rhaella Targaryen. Jon is likely the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, also making him descended from Aerys and Rhaella. The only odd one is Tyrion, who's likely only 50% Targaryen, because of the chance that he's the bastard child of Aerys and Joanna Lannister, Tywin's wife. But that's closer than Young Griff, who's likely not at all related to Aerys, but instead a Blackfyre descended from the female line (there's a theory that he's the son of Illyrio Mopatis and a female Blackfyre, which makes some sense because of Illyrio's particular dedication towards Young Griff and explains why the Golden Company would want to crown him, but doesn't necessarily explain Griff-ington, though he's likely just been lied to. Remember, he was banished to Essos about half way through Robert's Rebellion, so he'd have no idea where "Rhaegar's son" would have gone. Most likely, he fell into a depression, was picked up by Illyrio or the Golden Company, and used as a pawn to support Young Griff.[close]
SpoilerYeah, I could smell the paradox shit coming from before the episode started, but "hold the door" is a pretty weird one. I was confused why Brynden had Bran there all that time, in what felt like nothing, but I guess it was like a "here's a parting gift, you get to see your father and grandfather and family" as well as a "GET HODOR TO HODADOR"
I'm really shocked by the Children of the Forest reveal, I'm actually dumbfounded that I never, ever heard a theory that the CotF created the White Walkers. It makes so much sense, though, since we only ever heard about them fighting men, but I guess the Yi Ti long night prophecy kinda threw shit off. Maybe timelines are just busted, and the White Walkers, if they even are the same, that showed up in Yi Ti are some sort of lost tribe of the originals. That's all unnecessary speculation, really, but damned is it weird. We have an answer for Westeros, but the long night is mentioned a few other places, and it doesn't explain the Five Forts, but it's definitely a start. I'm not at all surprised if GRRM told HBO that that's explicitly what happened. I would, however, be surprised if GRRM had planned the Hodor thing from that fucking far earlier, and we still don't have all the books out despite that.
By the way, is it clear whereAshaYara and Theon are going? I'd assume to Meereen or something but it seems strange that that's their best option. Euron said he wants to marry Daenerys, so this girl and this eunuch are going to marry her first! Like what? We saw in the season trailer that there's a slave/concubine/prostitute, or a few, that's getting down and dirty with Yara, so maybe that'll happen after all. We're already seeing a lot of modern ideals in the show, anyway. ::)
But still no Sweets. lmao[close]
It did seem kind of desperateSpoilerYeah, I could smell the paradox shit coming from before the episode started, but "hold the door" is a pretty weird one. I was confused why Brynden had Bran there all that time, in what felt like nothing, but I guess it was like a "here's a parting gift, you get to see your father and grandfather and family" as well as a "GET HODOR TO HODADOR"
I'm really shocked by the Children of the Forest reveal, I'm actually dumbfounded that I never, ever heard a theory that the CotF created the White Walkers. It makes so much sense, though, since we only ever heard about them fighting men, but I guess the Yi Ti long night prophecy kinda threw shit off. Maybe timelines are just busted, and the White Walkers, if they even are the same, that showed up in Yi Ti are some sort of lost tribe of the originals. That's all unnecessary speculation, really, but damned is it weird. We have an answer for Westeros, but the long night is mentioned a few other places, and it doesn't explain the Five Forts, but it's definitely a start. I'm not at all surprised if GRRM told HBO that that's explicitly what happened. I would, however, be surprised if GRRM had planned the Hodor thing from that fucking far earlier, and we still don't have all the books out despite that.
By the way, is it clear whereAshaYara and Theon are going? I'd assume to Meereen or something but it seems strange that that's their best option. Euron said he wants to marry Daenerys, so this girl and this eunuch are going to marry her first! Like what? We saw in the season trailer that there's a slave/concubine/prostitute, or a few, that's getting down and dirty with Yara, so maybe that'll happen after all. We're already seeing a lot of modern ideals in the show, anyway. ::)
But still no Sweets. lmao[close]SpoilerAccording to GRRM that's not how the White Walkers started, this is just made for the show.[close]
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Rip never forget.
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Rip never forget.SpoilerShould never have killed off Stannis or Shireen. Much more interesting storyline than Dorne imo. If they were going to do Dorne they should have done it properly, and probably parked Danny's storyline for a season to make room.[close]
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Rip never forget.SpoilerShould never have killed off Stannis or Shireen. Much more interesting storyline than Dorne imo. If they were going to do Dorne they should have done it properly, and probably parked Danny's storyline for a season to make room.[close]SpoilerRedteamreview said that the show writers didn't seem to like stannis so they just got him killed (and shireen so his story came to an end)[close]
Overall one of the better episodes so far, and at least the story is coming back to the books now. More or less anyway.
Tho Brans storyline is still shit. (But it never was good, even in the books) And I don't understand what that speech at the end was good for. But sure, fun speeches are always fun.
SpoilerHigh Sparrow badass confirmed. The problem is: I am not sure if the connection of faith and crown is really that bad for now. After all it prevented a civil war.[close]
SpoilerIs margery free now, or not? I do not quite get the point. Is she actually obsessed with the gods or did she just fake it to escape?[close]
SpoilerThe scene with Benjen was silly. Couldn't he just have had a normal sword?
Also why does it have to be fucking Benjen. Could have been a new character, right?[close]
Could have been a proper mace, not a huge 20 meter long chain. Super retarded.You're over exaggerating, but I don't expect this show to be realistic, there's dragons and magic and zombies. n shit.
There was, what, one scene of Danny? I guess that's too much at this point for some people. Especially since we haven't seen that butt in proper glory in fuckin' seasons.
yea cus he is a big bitch and wouldnt do thatSpoileri liked sams plot up until the point where he stole the sword. For some reason that really bothered me.[close]
basicallyyea cus he is a big bitch and wouldnt do thatSpoileri liked sams plot up until the point where he stole the sword. For some reason that really bothered me.[close]
Too much utterly pointless screen time... What even was that speech? Did that really do anything for us as the audience to further the plot? Like at all? Would have preferred another Gilly and Sam travel scene.
Spoileri liked sams plot up until the point where he stole the sword. For some reason that really bothered me.[close]
lololololol I don't know what game of thrones isLolololol woah haha random!!!! XD!!
SpoilerWhoever ends up ruling the Iron Throne, I believe Sam will be the Maester at the end of the series. Anyone agree?[close]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMXJlUIQP94SpoilerWhoever ends up ruling the Iron Throne, I believe Sam will be the Maester at the end of the series. Anyone agree?[close]SpoilerYou mean like Pycelle in King's Landing or the Maester for the Night's Watch? I reckon Pycelle will still be there at the end of the show in the same job. He's literally the only static character in the show who's been there since season 1.[close]
Am I the only one who hates Grey Worm and Missandei. Literally every fucking scene with them is "You would not understand" or "Maybe not Westeros, but in Mereen it different." Like I hope D&D write in a little something extra to the script so its not just this bullshit in every single scene with them.
I actually liked that they had a guy leading his horse.
He is super rich and a lord, he obviously has a squire to do that kind of stuff for him.
It did not make me think that he is stupid, just that he likes to have an easy job. I.e. he is a rich guy with lots of privileges.
He's supposed to be one of the most powerful lords as well as one of the best militairy leaders. He's not even that much of a foreground character in the books other then Cersei hating on him and underestimating him all the time.He really isn't. One of his bannermen is assumably one of the best military leaders. But Mace? Not really.
Mostly he has a big army and he knows how to use it. There's nothing in the books that suggests Mace is the naive idiot he is portrayed as in the series.Ned's relief of Storm's End possibly implies this, as Mace instantly lowered his banners to the relief force:
Mostly he has a big army and he knows how to use it. There's nothing in the books that suggests Mace is the naive idiot he is portrayed as in the series.
Some cool explanations of ep6.Watched it. 9.5/10Spoilerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkegcHB3YjQ[close]
Sieging Storm's End is different from sieging anything else. Robert's family was held up in Storm's End, so if they starved them out and took the fortress, they would have a load of quality prisoners, namely Stannis and Renly. It's like sieging King's Landing on the other end, it's just that sieging a city is waaaay tougher in the medieval ages than sieging a castle.
Spoilerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psS2IMFkxKo[close]-The positives end here-SpoilerHappy about Siege of Riverrun. #ReturnToTheBooks[close]SpoilerFffffffffffFUCK Arya's storyline. The faceless men are becoming the faced-men-that-can-change-faces-for-no-reason-men. Arya had to poison a bitch without a different face, and the waif is fucking everywhere for no reason. That old lady could have stabbed her with no reveal that it's the waif or anyone else and we would already fucking know who and what they are. They're NOBODY. But I guess they are someone because it's the fucking waif and it's always the fucking waif. It's legitimately fucking retarded to the plot because they kept saying "be no bitch" for two halves of two seasons, meanwhile, they're clearly fucking someone, like, two fucking people, and the waif clearly enjoys trying to and seeing Arya "die." It's so dumb. It's bad writing to appeal to idiots who just watch the screen and constantly say "wait what what's happening" because the images and sounds are moving too fast for their slow ass brains. Fuck.[close]SpoilerOh, and why makeAshaYara a lesbian? She has a boyfriend in the books. Maybe this is just an altogether different character now, but Asha was never at all described as bisexual, and so far Yara has no clear attraction to men, except that one time when she let her brother finger her on a horse, but whatever, "she's very cunning" -HBO writers. I just find some of these choices to be cheap and unprofessional and really dumbing down the plot. There's like 1,000% less characters in the show than in the books and the people I watch the show with can't even keep track of that. It's infuriating. If you don't want to think and remember and keep track and theorize and pay attention to what people say in and out/about the show/books, IT'S CLEARLY NOT THE SHOW FOR YOU.[close]
Spoiler'House Mormont is a great house'[close]
Maybe she will
maybe next episode theyll come in with a zoom of a rotting little arya in a corner of the square
SpoilerWell waif is a trained faceless men or whatever and gets to use the faces whenever she wants because she's not a little bitch like Arya, and I don't see why you're fussing over the fact that she revealed her face after, and you're also mad because Yara is attracted to women?? What??[close]
SpoilerIm guessing that she is bi. I think that would actually fit the whole "I do what I want" attitude better than if she were just straight.
Let's just be honest though, it literally makes no difference to the story who she sleeps with[close]
SpoilerGuys, its a T.V show, no T.V show in history is that precises as to where someone gets hit in an action scene. The script probably just read "Arya gets stabbed in gut" to which they told the girl playing to waif to "stab her in the gut". They didn't give the actress a brief rundown of the human anatomy, telling her exactly where to stab Maisie whilst she was being lifted over a bridge. If you want to discuss flaws then please tell me how the Hound didn't notice a band of people coming in and fucking shit up while he was just inside the treeline. As for the Yara and the woman scene, and this is not even perverted, I have no problem with it. It doesn't take away from her at all, if anything it shows the viewers how shes a wild card and gives no fucks of what people think. If you're going to complain about small shit like that its really not the show for you. Enjoy it for what it is, its never going to be "Like the books" just like every movie adaptation of books created.[close]
I hope you're jokingSpoilerGuys, its a T.V show, no T.V show in history is that precises as to where someone gets hit in an action scene. The script probably just read "Arya gets stabbed in gut" to which they told the girl playing to waif to "stab her in the gut". They didn't give the actress a brief rundown of the human anatomy, telling her exactly where to stab Maisie whilst she was being lifted over a bridge. If you want to discuss flaws then please tell me how the Hound didn't notice a band of people coming in and fucking shit up while he was just inside the treeline. As for the Yara and the woman scene, and this is not even perverted, I have no problem with it. It doesn't take away from her at all, if anything it shows the viewers how shes a wild card and gives no fucks of what people think. If you're going to complain about small shit like that its really not the show for you. Enjoy it for what it is, its never going to be "Like the books" just like every movie adaptation of books created.[close]SpoilerThe problem with this is that apparantly the directors find it necessary to make a female character lesbian in order to show that she doesn't give fucks. That's incredibly sexist.[close]
SpoilerOberyn was gay! Man this show is so sexist![close]
Read the fucking books.
Shes not lesbian shes just bi, I mean are you telling me Cersei if a lesbian after that Lady Merryweather scene in the books? I mean what the fuck did that scene do for Cersei as a character? It was literally just her discovering that she couldn't fuck people like a man.
The important thing is that she is open about it and gives no shits about others seeing shes into women. There are gay people in the show such a Loras and Renly but they are very secretive about it as well, you see what happened when they found out about Loras. Homosexuality is treated very differently in the world of GoT and so her being open about it does actually mean that she gives no fucks.Shes not lesbian shes just bi, I mean are you telling me Cersei if a lesbian after that Lady Merryweather scene in the books? I mean what the fuck did that scene do for Cersei as a character? It was literally just her discovering that she couldn't fuck people like a man.
Yara/Asha is never soon to have any form of sexual desires or relationships in the TV-series (Well apart from Theon hurdurdur). Her sexual promiscuinity (with men) is quite on the foreground in the books.
It really looks like they made her lesbian (or bisexual) in the TV-series just to stick to stereotypes and gender roles, which isn't just bad storytelling, it's (I'm gonna say this again and again) sexist as fuck. It also pisses me of because, as a homosexual man, I keep having to explain to people that being gay does not define my character or behavior. Then this scene happens, and everybody is like "Oh naturally, they just make her lesbian to show she is strong/indepedent/doesn't give fucks". That reaction shows exactly what is wrong with it.
Daenarys isn't a lesbian Cersei isn't a lesbian, Margery isn't a lesbian
I think you're taking this to seriously.
It is sexism.
UGH HBO IS SEXIST AND RACIST AND FUCKING TRIGGERING ME, THEY ARE SO STUPID WAKE UP, MEN ARE CONTROLLING THIOS WORldD >:(
I like this "well Danny and Cersei had 'lesbian times'" argument because it proves again that people don't realize the problem and are just looking at it as sex.
Danny's "encounter" was at an age where people can often have doubts on their sexuality, and is most when you can expect someone to be bicurious, starting as early as the beginning of puberty and up to their late teens or early twenties. Her "encounter" also had a literary purpose; it marked a time where her life became less dominated by men, when her brother and her husband were no longer in charge of her, and when she could decide what exactly she wanted to do in her life. In the end, she decided she could be the strong ruler and the bottom in bed, or top, or however she rolls most of the time.
In the case of Cersei, it's said multiple times that she controls people with her sexuality. It's said by Tyrion that her greatest weapon is her cunt, or something along those lines. She has her "encounter" when she's beginning to doubt if she'll stay queen, and begins to fear the prettier queen to come in her prophecy. She realizes that her greatest weapon, the tool she's used to control men for years, would not be able to easily dominate someone like Margaery.
Now, in the case of Yara, what exactly does it mark? Was someone suppressing her sexuality in the Iron Islands and arriving in Volantis let her break away? Then why stay in the Iron Islands? Doesn't she do what she wants? That just makes no sense. I hope you all realize a truly or predominantly straight person will not have sex with someone of the same sex "just because they can and because they do what they want." They would have to want to in order to do it, and if they don't want to, they clearly don't do what they want. So, the show made her a lesbian (or bi), to prove... absolutely nothing. No matter how I would word what they did, it ultimately comes out to "it was sexist," or homophobic in the sense of ignorance of how homosexuals are.
God this anti-argument is cancer. Open your eyes, sheeple. Accept that it's on the spectrum of wrong.
Oh no, are you gonna unfriend me on steam againUGH HBO IS SEXIST AND RACIST AND FUCKING TRIGGERING ME, THEY ARE SO STUPID WAKE UP, MEN ARE CONTROLLING THIOS WORldD >:(
shut up fag youre actually not funny at all
Oh no, are you gonna unfriend me on steam againUGH HBO IS SEXIST AND RACIST AND FUCKING TRIGGERING ME, THEY ARE SO STUPID WAKE UP, MEN ARE CONTROLLING THIOS WORldD >:(
shut up fag youre actually not funny at all
oh wait
Oh no, are you gonna unfriend me on steam againUGH HBO IS SEXIST AND RACIST AND FUCKING TRIGGERING ME, THEY ARE SO STUPID WAKE UP, MEN ARE CONTROLLING THIOS WORldD >:(
shut up fag youre actually not funny at all
oh wait
Lmao you are a cancer on this thread. People like you are exactly the reason why D&D have to dumb shit down.
Anyone consider the idea that they were just trying to please the feminazis by adding the scene?
Did anyone else watch the scene and didn't feel offended?
It really isn't like the directors all got together and went "These dun wemen needs to be objectivied, lets make this one a lesbo" and then they went out and lynched a bunch of people. I doubt the directors went "Its been too long since we've seen dem tits" and then decided to add in the scene. I'll go with agreeing to the fact that it is sexist if you view it that way, but I'm almost certain they added in that scene for a purpose other than being pure scumbags.
Jeez Audiate, the thing is there was no reason to think she was straight either, aside from the higher probality of that being true, her being bisexual or lesbian isn't really that difficult to concieve of.
Yes, there was no actual reason that she had to be gay and yes, sexism did most likely factor into their decision to do that, but it still does not mean that there is really anything wrong in terms of the plot with her swinging the other way there.
They're refusing to question traditional gender roles by not having Yara/Asha be able to be straight and argueable the strongest independent female character in the books and series, but go the easy way by just making her a lesbian so that now, she basically is a man with tits. They're using stereotypes for cheap storytelling.
Oh no, are you gonna unfriend me on steam againUGH HBO IS SEXIST AND RACIST AND FUCKING TRIGGERING ME, THEY ARE SO STUPID WAKE UP, MEN ARE CONTROLLING THIOS WORldD >:(
shut up fag youre actually not funny at all
oh wait
Lmao you are a cancer on this thread. People like you are exactly the reason why D&D have to dumb shit down.
This is how I get my kicks Redcoat, I love seeing people type angry paragraphs and responses to someone they have never met, and on the internet to top it off. Just like you. ;)
Oh no, are you gonna unfriend me on steam againUGH HBO IS SEXIST AND RACIST AND FUCKING TRIGGERING ME, THEY ARE SO STUPID WAKE UP, MEN ARE CONTROLLING THIOS WORldD >:(
shut up fag youre actually not funny at all
oh wait
Lmao you are a cancer on this thread. People like you are exactly the reason why D&D have to dumb shit down.
This is how I get my kicks Redcoat, I love seeing people type angry paragraphs and responses to someone they have never met, and on the internet to top it off. Just like you. ;)
I don't have time to type paragraphs. I also don't have time for weaboos.
Ouch! You sure got me!SpoilerOh no, are you gonna unfriend me on steam againUGH HBO IS SEXIST AND RACIST AND FUCKING TRIGGERING ME, THEY ARE SO STUPID WAKE UP, MEN ARE CONTROLLING THIOS WORldD >:(
shut up fag youre actually not funny at all
oh wait
Lmao you are a cancer on this thread. People like you are exactly the reason why D&D have to dumb shit down.
This is how I get my kicks Redcoat, I love seeing people type angry paragraphs and responses to someone they have never met, and on the internet to top it off. Just like you. ;)
I don't have time to type paragraphs. I also don't have time for weaboos.[close]
Ouch! You sure got me!SpoilerOh no, are you gonna unfriend me on steam againUGH HBO IS SEXIST AND RACIST AND FUCKING TRIGGERING ME, THEY ARE SO STUPID WAKE UP, MEN ARE CONTROLLING THIOS WORldD >:(
shut up fag youre actually not funny at all
oh wait
Lmao you are a cancer on this thread. People like you are exactly the reason why D&D have to dumb shit down.
This is how I get my kicks Redcoat, I love seeing people type angry paragraphs and responses to someone they have never met, and on the internet to top it off. Just like you. ;)
I don't have time to type paragraphs. I also don't have time for weaboos.[close]
Is being a 20 year old edge lord on a forum for a historical reenactment game the only thing that brings fulfillment to your life?
Contribute to the discussion or just post anything related to GoT, but stop having at eachother like a bunch of nine-year-olds.
Without a son of Winterfell to stand beside me, I can only hope to win the north by battle. That requires stealing a leaf from my brother's book. Not that Robert ever read one.
Do I need to make you swear an oath before a tree?”
Stannis ground his teeth. "It is not my wish to tamper with your rights and traditions. As to royal guidance, Janos, if you mean that I ought to tell your brothers to choose you, have the courage to say so."
That took Lord Janos aback. He smiled uncertainly and began to sweat, but Bowen Marsh beside him said, "Who better to command the black cloaks than a man who once commanded the gold, sire?"
"Any of you, I would think. Even the cook."
Renly: "You'll be pleased to know she came to me a maid."
Stannis: "In your bed she's like to die that way."
You chatter like magpies, and with less sense
Her own father got this child on her? We are well rid of her, then. I will not suffer such abominations here. This is not King's Landing.
Davos: Lord Celtigar called it admirable
Stannis: Had I shown him the contents of my privy, he would have called that admirable as well
Clayton Suggs - "A sacrifice will prove our faith still burns true, Sire."
Godry the Giantslayer - "The old gods of the north have sent this storm upon us. Only R'hllor can end it. We must give him an unbeliever."
Stannis - "Half my army is made up of unbelievers. I will have no burnings. Pray harder."
edmir or whatever Caitlyn Starks brother
TOMMEN CANCELLED OUR CLEGANE BOWL???
FUCK MY LAST THEORIES.
FUCK TOMMEN
FUCK THE CROWN
EAT ALLLLL THE CHICKENS!
GIVE US BACK OUR FIGHT
NOOOO00000000
Spoilernone, he never left, sansa said "fuk off m8" and he was like "k ;("
but still they'll teleport and get there instantly so it doesnt matter[close]
Spoilernone, he never left, sansa said "fuk off m8" and he was like "k ;("
but still they'll teleport and get there instantly so it doesnt matter[close]Spoilersometimes no means yes
and baelish and the vale are actually at Moat Cailin right now so its not that far[close]
Spoilernone, he never left, sansa said "fuk off m8" and he was like "k ;("
but still they'll teleport and get there instantly so it doesnt matter[close]Spoilersometimes no means yes
and baelish and the vale are actually at Moat Cailin right now so its not that far[close]SpoilerSansa may have written more than one letter we don't know about.[close]
that guy didnt even analyze anything. he literally just said he predicts littlefinger to come. doesnt break down frame by frame. disappointedThat guy is pretty shit and is just there to provide "content" for money.
i like him :(that guy didnt even analyze anything. he literally just said he predicts littlefinger to come. doesnt break down frame by frame. disappointedThat guy is pretty shit and is just there to provide "content" for money.
Go to 'alt shift x' channel.i like him :(that guy didnt even analyze anything. he literally just said he predicts littlefinger to come. doesnt break down frame by frame. disappointedThat guy is pretty shit and is just there to provide "content" for money.
You guys are just mad because boltons are gonna get rekt
You guys are just mad because boltons are gonna get rekt
That guy is just there to provide "content" for money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7sh3rG96EwGo to 'alt shift x' channel.i like him :(that guy didnt even analyze anything. he literally just said he predicts littlefinger to come. doesnt break down frame by frame. disappointedThat guy is pretty shit and is just there to provide "content" for money.
You guys are just mad because boltons are gonna get rekt
Still better presented ::)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7sh3rG96EwGo to 'alt shift x' channel.i like him :(that guy didnt even analyze anything. he literally just said he predicts littlefinger to come. doesnt break down frame by frame. disappointedThat guy is pretty shit and is just there to provide "content" for money.
You guys are just mad because boltons are gonna get rekt
I hope to fuck Ramsay lives, I will genuinely be unhappy to see him go. His death will hit me harder than Jon's did because Ramsay is just such a good fucking character to watch. Also remember that scene where Sansa eyes the ravens like a kid in a candy shop? She pretty much guarantee sent that to Baelish because it was just after her and Jon had spoken of not having enough men. Baelish had been alerted and has started his march North without a doubt. I think the Tullys may be marching North now, I'm not sure at this point because they really have fuck all in terms of where to go.
I hope to fuck Ramsay lives, I will genuinely be unhappy to see him go. His death will hit me harder than Jon's did because Ramsay is just such a good fucking character to watch. Also remember that scene where Sansa eyes the ravens like a kid in a candy shop? She pretty much guarantee sent that to Baelish because it was just after her and Jon had spoken of not having enough men. Baelish had been alerted and has started his march North without a doubt. I think the Tullys may be marching North now, I'm not sure at this point because they really have fuck all in terms of where to go.
What I hope happens in the battle is that towards the end of the battle dozens of northern houses not already partaking in the battle appears and saves the stark army and in that matter giving a nudge to the whole the north remembers from the books. (I expect houses like Manderly and Hornwood)Spoilernone, he never left, sansa said "fuk off m8" and he was like "k ;("
but still they'll teleport and get there instantly so it doesnt matter[close]Spoilersometimes no means yes
and baelish and the vale are actually at Moat Cailin right now so its not that far[close]SpoilerSansa may have written more than one letter we don't know about.[close]Spoileryea ive read some theroies that she wrote a letter to peter after their meeting in mole town.
btw heres a video breaking down the preview if anyone is interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQL5O-VHBJg[close]
ignore the damn Spelling mistakes I had a brain fartBattle of the Bastards drinking Game(https://i.imgur.com/k7NTxwe.png)[close]
SpoilerAnd I remember a scene where Robb tells Edmure about how the battle was a waste for their war effort, because though it was a big battle and Clegane lost many men, "they had the men to spare" while the Starks and Tullys did not.[close]
I'm so annoyed by the modern way these supposidly medieval armies are portrayed. Argh.
SpoilerEven though i like house bolton the most, i must say i kind of hope for a Stark victory in 6x09. that family has been put through so much and now i just feel sorry for them. BibleThump[close]
Spoilerso is that giant guy the last of his kind? I wonder how hard it will be to kill him[close]
SpoilerDuring the Blackfish/Jaime meeting on the bridge if it had been me I would have just grabbed Jaime and pushed him into the castle then quickly closed the drawbridge.[close]
Spoilerso is that giant guy the last of his kind? I wonder how hard it will be to kill him[close]
Spoilerso is that giant guy the last of his kind? I wonder how hard it will be to kill him[close]
S6 Episode 8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S-BuTXwS_A[close]
S6 Episode 8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S-BuTXwS_A[close]
That guy must be the only youtuber who can talk about Game of Thrones and not bore you to death after five minutes. 50 min is long tho, lol
Tonight is the night! 8)Hopefully its a very long episode, 50 minutes is not enough!
so do you EU's stay up really late for GoT?I'm free tomorrow so why not. Just got to stay up for another two and a half hour! ;D
The hype before the bitter disappointment.
so do you EU's stay up really late for GoT?
SpoilerThat brings a good question, why the fuck was Rickon just running in a straight line, couldn't he do some tricky shit and dodges?[close]
SpoilerA big disappointment to me was that I really did not want it to be Baelish that saved Jon although it was really expected I wanted it to be the north that rallied behind Jon in his final moments.[close]
SpoilerLiterally screaming like a little girl when the Vale's knights came, and when Jon was pounding Ramsay.
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rip ramsay bolton
Season 6 Ep 9 don't fuckin open if u don evn kno broLiterally the only fucking thing I can possibly complain about this episode was that the archers were reaaaally fucking strong. But that's something that can be expected in every single live action show/movie that has a single bow and arrow in it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtoBFXSvD6Y
By that, of course, I mean that this episode was fucking great. There were so many things I felt they did right, and the cliche moments were masked by the "FFUUUCCCK YEEEESSS" moments. The first bit with Meereen was cool and all, and it shows a big strengthening of Danny's assets and some needed reminders that strengthened her as a person (don't burn them all!), and it didn't take away from the huge action of the rest of it. It's a fucking shame that Rickon died, but it was almost fate. Here's why:
1 - The Now: Rickon's death pulled Jon into the middle of the field, which ultimately pulled the entirety of both forces eventually to the center of the field. This ironically trapped the Bolton forces that had surrounded Snow's, putting all their resources in one spot and focused on one point, which shows a lot about Ramsay's downsides (he'll love to see someone suffer until it bites his own dick off), and it paid off for the Snow army by leaving basically nothing but flank and like 5 spears (a fucking detail that they absolutely nailed, people turning around to see what's behind them can happen way too late in a hectic situation like that), and it ultimately won the day. Wun Wun, Tormund, Sansa, Jon, sorry to you all, but it was Rickon that won that battle.
2 - The Later: With Rickon dead, the only known living Stark heir is Sansa (Bran would have been but they think he's dead, Arya's younger then them all, and Rickon was the last "living" male), which means Sansa will be made Lady of Winterfell, freeing up a lot of time for Jon to go south and/or straighten up the north for his half-sister. Oh, and fight off the White Walkers. Speaking of which, someone should burn all those bodies... shouldn't they? It'll be interesting to see how Sansa deals with Petyr's proposal(s), whether he be asking to marry her himself or for her to marry Robert Arryn. Personally, I think this is the time for Sansa to become the Queen Elizabeth all those nuts think she'll become. She has no business ruling the Iron Throne, but she can certainly rule Winterfell until Bran returns, and if he doesn't, she or Arya could potentially sire heirs should they ever feel like it. I'm really curious to see what will happen to House Bolton and thus Dreadfort, and even more excited to see what will happen to the Karstarks and whoever else they briefly brushed over (Umbers, Dustins, and Ryswells maybe? Pretty sure about Umbers).
Speaking of which, it was cool to see in the banners what houses pledged off-screen. I saw House Hornwood, but couldn't spot any others. Anyone know who else was there? They apparently had ~3000 or less total, so I'd assume quite a couple sided in the end. RIP no Manderlys, such a cool house with cool lore just scrapped out. They could of scrapped out the Glovers and just said all the houses that refused or sided with the Boltons, but no, they just took out the Manderlys. :'(
Fucking fantastic episode. I'm really excited for next episode, though I know Tower of Joy probably wont come, and that's the biggest fucking let down of the millennium to come. A show becomesclickbaiteyebait when they tease something in like episode 4 of a season and refuse to show it in the rest of the season, despite it being probably the most hyped thing in the series, even more so than the fucking Cleganebowl, which they're trying to put writing walls in front of just so they can tear them down later. God, that pisses me off. But anyway, stellar episode, pretty much everything was just perfect. Fuck the sadistic Ramsay fans, he was meant to be hated.[close]
Because we're ending the season, please put in what you are discussing (and thus what you are spoiling) in the description tap of the spoiler, like soS6 Episode 9Complaining about episode 9 stuff[close]
Malicious spoiling of events will get you a ban.
I liked the episode, however I hate Jon Snow even more as a character.
I liked the episode, however I hate Jon Snow even more as a character.Spoiler+1, every time he has chance to show off some progression/maturity he does something bone headed. He is basically Dany of the North.[close]
Once again, malicious spoiling gets you banned.but telling someone to kill themselves and threatening their families is only mute :P
Once again, malicious spoiling gets you banned.but telling someone to kill themselves and threatening their families is only mute :P
#GreatBanterStarter
Speaking of which, it was cool to see in the banners what houses pledged off-screen. I saw House Hornwood, but couldn't spot any others. Anyone know who else was there? They apparently had ~3000 or less total, so I'd assume quite a couple sided in the end. RIP no Manderlys, such a cool house with cool lore just scrapped out. They could of scrapped out the Glovers and just said all the houses that refused or sided with the Boltons, but no, they just took out the Manderlys. :'(Bit of a late response, as I happened to stumble on something while googling GoT related stuff.
SpoilerWait, so that screenshot of Jon Snow charging with his men on horseback was just a teaser? It wasn't there in the show.[close]
Lol, perfect.S6E9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU7ztXgS95s[close]
Spoilerso does Sansa just plan on holding winterfell? of course she would like to get rid of the Freys, so you think she will continue to wage war against them and the Lannisters? or because she knows the white walker threat just unite the whole North against that?[close]
Possible episode 10 spoiler, big one
Apparently this soundtrack will be used and people think it will be used when Cersei burns Kingslanding. If that's going to happen in the first place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFK0yG8xG5I[close]
Possible episode 10 spoiler, big one
Apparently this soundtrack will be used and people think it will be used when Cersei burns Kingslanding. If that's going to happen in the first place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFK0yG8xG5I[close]SpoilerSurely they've already used up most of their special effects budget lol. That would be kinda expensive to do (assuming it's not half-arsed like those dragons during the season 5 arena scene when Danny escapes).[close]
Good review (imo) from Matt Easton:o the guys British. Definitely not watching that video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avtHpJyYYkQ
You have to go with the silky smooth americansGood review (imo) from Matt Easton:o the guys British. Definitely not watching that video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avtHpJyYYkQ
"What's a shield?" - Wildlings.Shields are overrated to be honest
Also he mentions he plays Napoleonic Wars waaaaaaaat?? :o
S6FinaleOkay, it was cool, but I felt like they just lined up a number of things that they had no idea where to go with it and blew them all up. Yeah, it makes sense for Cersei to basically flatten King's Landing, but just blowing up the Sept and all her enemies in it? That's literally just cutting off the plot. It's cool now, like, the Riverlands are seperated, the Frey's are very dead, so Edmure will probably get put back into place (the bastard he is). The North is unified aroundSansaJon and the Vale is publicly behind the North. The Stormlands are weak as shit and basically without a leader (...all the Baratheons are dead... and there was no heir to Storm's End... sooo... who's... there?), so that's probably where Danny will land, and she'll have a lot of support from her Tyrell and Martell and Greyjoy friends, so that'll probs be easy for her. But like... aren't there supposed to be two more seasons? That whole scene in the Baelor's Sept was really weird in execution and in purpose. Everything there just seemed like loose threads. How do we deal with Kevan now? How do we deal with Mace? How do we deal with Margaery, Tommen, Loras, Lancel, the High Sparrow, all of them? OH JUST FUCKIN BLOW EM ALL UP EH
I'm just sad about the execution. All those deaths seemed before each character's arch could even peak. And Cersei wasn't even remorseful when the plan backfired when Tommen died as well. I just really don't get any of that, lazy writing imho, I felt like the event was something canonically sound as far as the books are concerned, but that the execution was just horrid and choppy. Why have Margaery pass her grandmother a note that clearly shows her allegiance when Margaery just dies anyway? Unless she comes back charred and scarred, that's a fuckin' Chehkov's Gun mishap.
Oh, and the Arya scene I could see coming the second I saw the barmaid in the first Riverrun/Crossing scene. They focused way too hard on that serving girl, as if to say "HEY, HEY, REMEMBER HER FOR LATER GUYS!!"[close]continuation, book spoilersSo, they cut Aegon Targaryen/Blackfyre and the Golden Company, they cut out Lady Stoneheart (confirmed by the Brotherhood Without Banners being led by Beric still and heading north or whatever), they cut out Harrold Hardyng, the Baratheon bastards, the Wildling-for-Wildling-Prince bastard-swap, and a million other things (mostly smaller) that I'm too lazy/uninterested/forgetful to list out. How the fuck are they planning on doing two more season? There's no way, if they are, and I don't even see the next season being a full season long, maybe only half. Danny shows up, starts winning, Baelish makes some nasty plays, gets offed, Jon saves the day with/without Danny/Tyrion, Danny and Jon probably bang, show over. With the books, there's sooo many more potential outcomes, and all of them are far more involved. I'm just saying, for how well the show kept track of the most important bits of the earlier books, they really fell off now, especially writing this season. They just saw where they wanted to go, and did it, and now Baelish is going to sit on the Iron Thro-
Seriously though, I'm really happy about the Jon Stargaryen reveal, bit upset that they made Lyanna whisper out Rhaeger's name as if A) they haven't mentioned him multiple times before and B) the majority of the audience can't keep track of all the characters (which they fucking can't, fuck this cancer "fanbase" with 1KB of memory space). It's a bittersweet finale for sure, and I'm looking forward to the next season... if the next book doesn't convince me otherwise.[close]
SpoilerI have a feeling that Jaime will have to backstab another mad ruler.[close]
SpoilerIs Olenna forgetting about Willas and Garlan, or are they not a part of the HBO series? Eerie feeling with the 'King in the North' scene; expected Wyman Manderly to be 10x fatter too.[close]
SpoilerWe haven't seen Gendry in a while...i guess he's still rowing in his fucking boat. Kinda matters now since Cersei is ruling.[close]
SpoilerWe haven't seen Gendry in a while...i guess he's still rowing in his fucking boat. Kinda matters now since Cersei is ruling.[close]SpoilerDany is going to be one fulfilling the prophecy -
"Cersei: I will be queen, though?
Maggy: Aye. Queen you shall be... until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear."
So the only thing Gendry is good for is the stormlands which no-one knows whats going on there.[close]
SpoilerSo Dany is basically going to rule the seven kingdoms now. No way cersei can retain power with so many enemies plus Dany just keeps getting more allies, now House Martell and Tyrell or what's left of them.
Side note: So many major houses destroyed so far
Baratheon (technically died with stannis, officially with tommen)
Lannister for the most part
Stark (excluding Brandon, Sansa is a female and Jon is a bastard/Targaryen)
Martell, all dead besides Ellaria Sand who is technically a bastard
Tyrell, all dead besides Olenna who as far as i know has no other children and can't have anymore for obvious reasons
Bolton
The war of five kings really fucked up the politics of westeros.[close]
SpoilerAnyone else saw that there where dorne and tyrell shipd in the fleet at the end? So no teleporter varys[close]
The greatest, most epic, most important moment in TV history!
episode 10What's up with those ships though? What's the point of sailing the Dornish and Tyrell armies all the way to Mereen only to ship them back over right away? Or did they just give ships?[close]
SpoilerI saw the green shine on the barrels and already knew where it was going lmfao i was like "OH NIGGUH"
Wasnt that the entire reserve of Wildfire in King's Landing?[close]
SpoilerI saw the green shine on the barrels and already knew where it was going lmfao i was like "OH NIGGUH"
Wasnt that the entire reserve of Wildfire in King's Landing?[close]
SpoilerI saw the green shine on the barrels and already knew where it was going lmfao i was like "OH NIGGUH"
Wasnt that the entire reserve of Wildfire in King's Landing?[close]
no lol,SpoilerI'm confused, I thought Rhaegar was the Mad King, not Aerys?[close]
God, the writers are so fucking pretentious, and I love how they get their actors to try to convince the audience that the whole thing was great. They just killed everyone off in one fucking scene so that next season will be easy to write and they don't have to tie down and lose ends.
God, the writers are so fucking pretentious, and I love how they get their actors to try to convince the audience that the whole thing was great. They just killed everyone off in one fucking scene so that next season will be easy to write and they don't have to tie down and lose ends.Why bother watching the show? All you seem to do is complain.
SpoilerGod, the writers are so fucking pretentious, and I love how they get their actors to try to convince the audience that the whole thing was great. They just killed everyone off in one fucking scene so that next season will be easy to write and they don't have to tie down and lose ends.Why bother watching the show? All you seem to do is complain.[close]
SpoilerGod, the writers are so fucking pretentious, and I love how they get their actors to try to convince the audience that the whole thing was great. They just killed everyone off in one fucking scene so that next season will be easy to write and they don't have to tie down and lose ends.Why bother watching the show? All you seem to do is complain.[close]
SpoilerGod, the writers are so fucking pretentious, and I love how they get their actors to try to convince the audience that the whole thing was great. They just killed everyone off in one fucking scene so that next season will be easy to write and they don't have to tie down and lose ends.Why bother watching the show? All you seem to do is complain.[close]
I likely would have stopped watching this season if the book came out, but it didn't, and I watch it with the fam. If the next book will fucking come out, I probably won't bother with the next season.Book release is set for January (hopefully).
God, the writers are so fucking pretentious, and I love how they get their actors to try to convince the audience that the whole thing was great. They just killed everyone off in one fucking scene so that next season will be easy to write and they don't have to tie down and lose ends.
God, the writers are so fucking pretentious, and I love how they get their actors to try to convince the audience that the whole thing was great. They just killed everyone off in one fucking scene so that next season will be easy to write and they don't have to tie down and lose ends.
They only really killed 3 Characters. All the other twats are super unimportant.
Spoilerdid littlefinger really think sansa would marry him lol, whats his real goal? Also, I dont follow books but who is jon snow's father? mad king?[close]
Spoilerdid littlefinger really think sansa would marry him lol, whats his real goal? Also, I dont follow books but who is jon snow's father? mad king?[close]
Spoilerdid littlefinger really think sansa would marry him lol, whats his real goal? Also, I dont follow books but who is jon snow's father? mad king?[close]SpoilerLittlefinger wanted sansa to rule winterfell and the north so he can marry her and have defacto control over both the North and the Vale. You can tell because of the pissed off look he has when he finds out that the lords of the north declared jon snow the king in the north. Also is jon snow going to be legitimized as a Stark now?[close]
No children would come out of it though. Isnt the targaryen line technically dead? Dany cant have kidsJon's technically now a Targaryen. At least enough for him to have a valid claim. Who said Dany can't have kids?
The waterhag that turned her baby into mush and fuckin raided her womb until it became useless. Also im saying like if Jon were to marry Dany then no children would come out of it and fuckin the Targaryen line would be dead. Also as far as anyone's concerned, jon will always be known as a STARK bastard not a Targaryen unless bran were to reveal that. And even then im sure Jon would rather identify as a Stark than the grandson of a mad kingNo children would come out of it though. Isnt the targaryen line technically dead? Dany cant have kidsJon's technically now a Targaryen. At least enough for him to have a valid claim. Who said Dany can't have kids?
spoilers you 2 ^^^^Spoilerwould it be weird if jon fucked sansa?[close]
spoilers you 2 ^^^^Spoilerwould it be weird if jon fucked sansa?[close]Spoilerfam they're only cousins[close]
SpoilerIf you really think about it, Jon has never been near any fire, so maybe he's immune to fire as well ;oo.[close]
SpoilerIf you really think about it, Jon has never been near any fire, so maybe he's immune to fire as well ;oo.[close]SpoilerI never thought about that, holyshit :D[close]
SpoilerIf you really think about it, Jon has never been near any fire, so maybe he's immune to fire as well ;oo.[close]SpoilerI never thought about that, holyshit :D[close]SpoilerI almost forgot, my theory might be disproven cause he burns himself fighting off the wight here. :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2TlSM-2SyI
But, there's still the possibility ;-;[close]
SpoilerIf you really think about it, Jon has never been near any fire, so maybe he's immune to fire as well ;oo.[close]SpoilerI never thought about that, holyshit :D[close]SpoilerI almost forgot, my theory might be disproven cause he burns himself fighting off the wight here. :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2TlSM-2SyI
But, there's still the possibility ;-;[close]SpoilerTo be fair, Dany only shown to be immune when death/blood is around.[close]
SpoilerIf you really think about it, Jon has never been near any fire, so maybe he's immune to fire as well ;oo.[close]
SpoilerThere is nothing that proved Danny's now infertile, we just know she lost a child. Additionally, you don't have to be of two Targaryen parents to be a Targaryen, you guys should read some of the side stories. Jon can have a child if he's legitimized as a Targaryen (maybe even Stargaryan) and that child can be a legitimate Targaryen as long as it's through wedlock.[close]
SpoilerIf you really think about it, Jon has never been near any fire, so maybe he's immune to fire as well ;oo.[close]SpoilerI never thought about that, holyshit :D[close]SpoilerI almost forgot, my theory might be disproven cause he burns himself fighting off the wight here. :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2TlSM-2SyI
But, there's still the possibility ;-;[close]SpoilerTo be fair, Dany only shown to be immune when death/blood is around.[close]SpoilerWhat about that time she got in the steaming bath? There was no death or blood there[close]
SpoilerGRRM has said again and again that Targaryeans are NOT fire-resistant.[close]
SpoilerGRRM has said again and again that Targaryeans are NOT fire-resistant.[close]
Yeah, we're going off of the show, cause obviously the show doesn't follow what exactly happens in the books fam.
Can't just say it was sarcasm when you realise you're sarcastically wrong????
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why don't you two fight about it irl?
i would knock general's organs out and sell them on the black market
100k for Dany is way to much.
Although I agree with you on their numbers. (Would be more like 70.000-90.000) I disagree that they are unbloodied. They fought the battle of the blackwater bay and the battle of Duskendale. Although their casualties aren't probably that high. It's army is far from unbloodied.100k for Dany is way to much.
And 40k for the Tyrells is much too low. They had around 100k at the start IIRC and are still unbloodied.
The lannisters also have less men then 25k at the moment. Something around 10.000 is much more accurate. Let's not forget that the Lannister forces have suffered major casualties in various battles in the war of the five kings. And Jaimy only had some 8000 troops with him when he went to the Tully's.
The Tully army can be considered non-existent and so can the Baratheon. (Edmure is imprisoned and with no other Tully's left, same for the Baratheons who have no one left so it wouldn't make sense that 5.000 sellswords would wander around in the name of the Baratheons while no one pays them.Although I agree with you on their numbers. (Would be more like 70.000-90.000) I disagree that they are unbloodied. They fought the battle of the blackwater bay and the battle of Duskendale. Although their casualties aren't probably that high. It's army is far from unbloodied.100k for Dany is way to much.
And 40k for the Tyrells is much too low. They had around 100k at the start IIRC and are still unbloodied.
https://www.facebook.com/uniladmag/videos/2306969852659394/Fucking Unilad really...
Not bad...
SpoilerGod, the writers are so fucking pretentious, and I love how they get their actors to try to convince the audience that the whole thing was great. They just killed everyone off in one fucking scene so that next season will be easy to write and they don't have to tie down and lose ends.Why bother watching the show? All you seem to do is complain.[close]
No, peasants. Just peasants. The only trained men were household guards (Which really didn't constitute more then a few dozen men in peacetime even for the larger lords) and knights, because that's was their job. GRRM does a good job of portraying that in his books, but the series just spams identically dressed lines of soldiers like this is the late 19th century.
Its literally impossible with Dany's fleet (100 from the Iron Fleet + however many commandeered from the slavers - altogether 150-200 ships absolute max) to transport the numbers we are talking about.dont they have the tyrell/dorne ships too?
Lets be generous and say 200 ships. With 100k men each ship would have to carry 500 men - the ships portrayed on the show look like they could barely carry one or two hundred (look at the scene again - 20 unsullied in formation took up like half the deck of one ship).
And Daenerys better have a few hundred good horse suppliers/trainers lined up in Westeros cause fuck knows how they are bringing enough horses for almost 100,000 (estimated) Dothraki. That would be 500 horses per ship...
Unless the Dothraki have given up their entire "a man who does not rude is no man at all" culture and decided to fight as a horde of armorless YOLO charging footsoldiers?
So Dany's Magic Schoolboats would have to carry 500 men and 4-500 horses each. Right...
There was Dorne ships if you look again. Which I guess was sailed over to help transport troops.
There was Dorne ships if you look again. Which I guess was sailed over to help transport troops.And Tyrell ships, which could be seen as well in the scene.
Be extremely generous and bump it to 600 ships altogether even. That would still require almost 200 men and horses per ship. If they were going with this route, the ships just have been portrayed a lot bigger.Considering the way the show did it compared to the books. One could easily say that the fleet would consist of a 1000 ships and that's without being generous. I mean, the Ironborn fleet, the Tyrell fleet, the Dornish fleet and the fleet of the free cities that she captured combined.
The Reach is a major naval power in the books.SpoilerTbh, I don't think there are more then 100-200 ships in that last shot. Let's just assume that they're doing away with logic at this point.[close]
SpoilerWell it's not like it all has to be done in 1 trip. Dany just needs to land enough men and supplies to not get instantly fucked by the armies of Westeros, which is unlikely anyways seeing as the reach and dorne now support her. I think she will land at dorne and work her way north. Taking King's Landing won't be enough and as we've seen, King's Landing can mount a pretty strong defense against sea invasion and i'd imagine they would pull the same trick that they did at the blackwater with the green fire shit. All in all, I think you guys are over thinking this a bit too much. She has enough ships to invade westeros, whether that be one trip or multiple is irrelevant. She'll have enough supplies in westeros because SHE HAS THE FUCKING REACH! As for supplies on the boat, she has the supplies of every kalassar which usually find ways to supply themselves not to mention the supplies from Slavery's Bay(Bay of Dragons) and theoretically she could trade with Volantis or other cities that she happens to pass on her way to westeros.[close]
SpoilerWell it's not like it all has to be done in 1 trip. Dany just needs to land enough men and supplies to not get instantly fucked by the armies of Westeros, which is unlikely anyways seeing as the reach and dorne now support her. I think she will land at dorne and work her way north. Taking King's Landing won't be enough and as we've seen, King's Landing can mount a pretty strong defense against sea invasion and i'd imagine they would pull the same trick that they did at the blackwater with the green fire shit. All in all, I think you guys are over thinking this a bit too much. She has enough ships to invade westeros, whether that be one trip or multiple is irrelevant. She'll have enough supplies in westeros because SHE HAS THE FUCKING REACH! As for supplies on the boat, she has the supplies of every kalassar which usually find ways to supply themselves not to mention the supplies from Slavery's Bay(Bay of Dragons) and theoretically she could trade with Volantis or other cities that she happens to pass on her way to westeros.[close]SpoilerShe won't have to besiege anything. She has dragons.[close]
+1SpoilerWell it's not like it all has to be done in 1 trip. Dany just needs to land enough men and supplies to not get instantly fucked by the armies of Westeros, which is unlikely anyways seeing as the reach and dorne now support her. I think she will land at dorne and work her way north. Taking King's Landing won't be enough and as we've seen, King's Landing can mount a pretty strong defense against sea invasion and i'd imagine they would pull the same trick that they did at the blackwater with the green fire shit. All in all, I think you guys are over thinking this a bit too much. She has enough ships to invade westeros, whether that be one trip or multiple is irrelevant. She'll have enough supplies in westeros because SHE HAS THE FUCKING REACH! As for supplies on the boat, she has the supplies of every kalassar which usually find ways to supply themselves not to mention the supplies from Slavery's Bay(Bay of Dragons) and theoretically she could trade with Volantis or other cities that she happens to pass on her way to westeros.[close]SpoilerShe won't have to besiege anything. She has dragons.[close]SpoilerShe will have to besiege stuff because burning the realm which you want to rule down actually has no point in it.[close]
Yeah but the thing is, the house that owned the castle he burned (Harrenhall) was notorious for being tyrants. Enslaving the Riverlands to build himself the biggest castle. Except the Ironborn themselves perhaps, no one else cared about the death of House Hoare. I could only imagine other great houses being happy about it. And I don't believe he burned any other castles/cities beside Harrenhall.SpoilerAegon the Conquerer burned down the greatest castle Westeros had every seen and the greatest army Westeros had every seen at that time, and his dynasty ruled for nearly 300 years. Danny can get away with a couple torchings.[close]
I think you misread the story. She does not want to conquer Westeros, she wants to conquer the Iron throne and command the respect of all the other houses as her family did for 300 years. If they do not kneel they die. Dorne and the Reach have kneel'd. She is not giving them away she is making sure she gets the same goal without having to throw away her army.SpoilerThe much more imporant question is... What did Dorne the Reach and Daenerys/Varys agree on? I doubt Daenerys wants to loose like 50% of Westeros for a few ships... She already gave away the Iron Islands. Now she is going to give away the Reach and Dorne? Sounds retarded...[close]
SpoilerThe much more imporant question is... What did Dorne the Reach and Daenerys/Varys agree on? I doubt Daenerys wants to loose like 50% of Westeros for a few ships... She already gave away the Iron Islands. Now she is going to give away the Reach and Dorne? Sounds retarded...[close]
I wasn't talking about Aegon's perspective, but the one of the other lords of Westeros. The point that nearly no one cared about "Harren the Black" being burned alive along with his castle. Because those lords probably knew what Harren and his ironborn folk were like.SpoilerBut let's not forget, Aegon was desperate to make a long standing foothold in Westeros, and who's to say he knew Hoare was a tyrant? He saw a massive castle, unlike anything else in Westeros and Essos (Valyria... maybe), and he burnt it. That gains the respect of people no matter who's living there.
Anyway, he was also willing to burn Oldtown to the ground, but just as he did with the Storm King Argillac and Harren the Black, he warned the leaders first, only Oldtown and the Hightowers and the High Septon knelt for him. That was only after he burned down the greatest castle ever built in Westeros, burned down the most impressive army in Westeros made by a pact between the Rock (Lannisters) and the Reach (Gardeners at the time), and installed his pal, who was likely his step brother by the way, as ruler of the Stormlands (Baratheon is a Valyrian name, the sigil and words are Westerosi, adopted from the previous Storm Kings, the Durrandons). So I'm sure people from then on learned to kneel, but if Argillac was arrogant and Harlen Hoare a tyrant, what does it really matter to a conqueror? The books are written as if the histories were written by the victors anyway.
(I'm just adding a lot of lore stuff for the people who probably haven't read World or much of the lore yet.)[close]
SpoilerI'm pretty sure Dorne & the Tyrells joined Daenarys only for revenge really.[close]
The Reach is a major naval power in the books.SpoilerTbh, I don't think there are more then 100-200 ships in that last shot. Let's just assume that they're doing away with logic at this point.[close]
These guys have counted: http://www.thewrap.com/game-of-thrones-finale-how-many-ships-were-in-daenerys-fleet/
There are 350 ships in that shot. And let's not forget that the fleet does not end at the horizon.
Never suggested anything like that. But alright.SpoilerAlright good argument, I didn't think about the fact that they might actually just want to kneel and not be independant.[close]
SpoilerThe Reach is a major naval power in the books.SpoilerTbh, I don't think there are more then 100-200 ships in that last shot. Let's just assume that they're doing away with logic at this point.[close]
These guys have counted: http://www.thewrap.com/game-of-thrones-finale-how-many-ships-were-in-daenerys-fleet/
There are 350 ships in that shot. And let's not forget that the fleet does not end at the horizon.
Actually, I just looked at it again, and the fleet DOES END before the horizon.
(https://abload.de/img/unbenanntltjp0.jpg)
Red is where the tip of the sails are, blue is where the horizon is. It does not extend to the horizon and it certainly does not go beyond it.
I did not count the ships, but they say it is 350.
I assume that about 100 guys are on each of those ships. Which is probbaly not the case... I tried to count the guys on GreyWorms ship and there are only about 39 Guys on the ship. Additionally, the ships are not specially large, and the guys on top of the ship do not seem to be specially crowded. In Terms of the Dothraki it is clearly less than 100 guys on each ship, the horses take almost all the space.
But just for fun, lets just assume each ship has 100 guys.
That "only" makes it to 35k Soldiers. Which is still insanely huge.[close]
They're too close to eachother anyway. They're stealing eachother's wind.
Fantasy books that use 'muh magic' to fix holes in basic logic are the worst kind of fantasy.
Yeah but the thing is, the house that owned the castle he burned (Harrenhall) was notorious for being tyrants. Enslaving the Riverlands to build himself the biggest castle. Except the Ironborn themselves perhaps, no one else cared about the death of House Hoare. I could only imagine other great houses being happy about it. And I don't believe he burned any other castles/cities beside Harrenhall.SpoilerAegon the Conquerer burned down the greatest castle Westeros had every seen and the greatest army Westeros had every seen at that time, and his dynasty ruled for nearly 300 years. Danny can get away with a couple torchings.[close]
But.show-relatedI agree, if Daenarys would decide to burn the one after the other city and castle. She wouldn't particularly do well. Neither do I think that something like that will ever happen. Considering Tyron is wise enough to advice her against such actions. However, it's possible that they will burn Kingslanding and perhaps some lannister holds. Depending on how crazy Cersei goes.[close]
Probably true.SpoilerShe wouldn't burn Casterly Rock, she'd give it to Tyrion[close]
Ye?Spoilerhttps://m.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/30mat2/spoilers_all_ddt_a_neverbeforeseen_theory/ (https://m.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/30mat2/spoilers_all_ddt_a_neverbeforeseen_theory/)[close]
Some people just don't know how to spend their free-time.Spoilerhttps://m.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/30mat2/spoilers_all_ddt_a_neverbeforeseen_theory/ (https://m.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/30mat2/spoilers_all_ddt_a_neverbeforeseen_theory/)[close]
Ye?Someone give me a tl;dr plsSpoilerhttps://m.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/30mat2/spoilers_all_ddt_a_neverbeforeseen_theory/ (https://m.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/30mat2/spoilers_all_ddt_a_neverbeforeseen_theory/)[close]
Ye?Someone give me a tl;dr plsSpoilerhttps://m.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/30mat2/spoilers_all_ddt_a_neverbeforeseen_theory/ (https://m.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/30mat2/spoilers_all_ddt_a_neverbeforeseen_theory/)[close]
Ye?Someone give me a tl;dr plsSpoilerhttps://m.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/30mat2/spoilers_all_ddt_a_neverbeforeseen_theory/ (https://m.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/30mat2/spoilers_all_ddt_a_neverbeforeseen_theory/)[close]Spoilertyrion is the son of Daneryas and drago because time travel[close]
That theory is so retarded I can not start to imagine what that guy took while writing it.Probs LSD and shrooms at the same time. Might be something else, but one of those definitely.
That theory is so retarded I can not start to imagine what that guy took while writing it.Probs LSD and shrooms at the same time. Might be something else, but one of those definitely.
Just so funny!!!That theory is so retarded I can not start to imagine what that guy took while writing it.Probs LSD and shrooms at the same time. Might be something else, but one of those definitely.
YOU ARE THE FUNNIST PERSON IVE EVER SEEN LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLKOLOLOLOLOLo
Lefties causing cancer on this thread,go vape bleach.Just so funny!!!That theory is so retarded I can not start to imagine what that guy took while writing it.Probs LSD and shrooms at the same time. Might be something else, but one of those definitely.
YOU ARE THE FUNNIST PERSON IVE EVER SEEN LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLKOLOLOLOLOLo
Whenever gluk gets on a thread
Lefties causing cancer on this thread,go vape bleach.
Got warned 40% for this.... FSE is becoming like Russia when it comes to free speech.
Gave me a good chuckle ::)Lefties causing cancer on this thread,go vape bleach.
Got warned 40% for this.... FSE is becoming like Russia when it comes to free speech.
Hahaha, too relatable.
A perfectly good system to avoid being warned:Spoiler1) Does it offend a liberal or insult socialism? If yes = warning.
2) Does it offend the Dutch? If yes = warning. (Insults to anyone else are fine, however).[close]
SpoilerSince Jon Snow is the son of the mad king Targaryen, is he able to move through fire like his sister?![close]
SpoilerSince Jon Snow is the son of the mad king Targaryen, is he able to move through fire like his sister?![close]
SpoilerAgain, Targaryens have no history of resistance to fire, only Daenerys.[close]
SpoilerSince Jon Snow is the son of the mad king Targaryen, is he able to move through fire like his sister?![close]
SpoilerIn next season, will winter already be there? How will the dothraki adjust to that sort of climate?[close]
That movie sucks straight honeymustard cock
That movie sucks straight honeymustard cockNothing wrong with honey mustard.....
It was spectacular, still thought it was a bit shit. The look on Jaime's face was priceless though.
It was a bit too hollywood bang bang #explosion for me. The books are a completely different style to this.
It was spectacular, still thought it was a bit shit. The look on Jaime's face was priceless though.
It was a bit too hollywood bang bang #explosion for me. The books are a completely different style to this.SpoilerTommen's death was so hilarious to me with the pause of him setting his crown down to just walk off[close]
It was spectacular, still thought it was a bit shit. The look on Jaime's face was priceless though.
It was a bit too hollywood bang bang #explosion for me. The books are a completely different style to this.SpoilerTommen's death was so hilarious to me with the pause of him setting his crown down to just walk off[close]SpoilerI think they did a spectacular job of scening that suicide. It was so fucking emotionless. Absolute garbage. I was like 'what is he doing? Aha, putting down crown. Oh he is killing himself. Right. Now who king? Oh.... absolutely shit.[close]
Spoilerand with nothing to hold Cersei emotionally it's only a matter of time before half of Westoros is put to the sword. I'm curious to see how the Unsullied will do against Westorosi Infantry.
Also, White Walkers inbound. I wonder if Dany will go north with her dragons. No idea how the North can stop them without valyrian steel/dragonglass.[close]
SpoilerThe Westerosi will do terribly against the Unsullied. Westerosi "infantry" is just peasantry, and we get a good taste of how useless they are in the Dunk and Egg series, specifically the second book.[close]
SpoilerThe Westerosi will do terribly against the Unsullied. Westerosi "infantry" is just peasantry, and we get a good taste of how useless they are in the Dunk and Egg series, specifically the second book.[close]SpoilerYou on about the levies of Lord Osgrey?[close]
SpoilerThe Westerosi will do terribly against the Unsullied. Westerosi "infantry" is just peasantry, and we get a good taste of how useless they are in the Dunk and Egg series, specifically the second book.[close]SpoilerYou on about the levies of Lord Osgrey?[close]
Even the Lannister and North foor soldiers are pretty shitty. AndSpoilerthe Unsullied are not that large, like 2000 or something. That is a tenth of the Army Robb Stark had at Moat Cailin. It would be a formidable vanguard, but I've yet to see more of Dany's infantry. Granted, she has a shitload of bloodriders, but they're unarmored and poorly equipped. And, above all, cavalry. Riverland, Vale and Lannister Spearmen will cut through them like butter. Dany doesn't have any archers in the series so pretty much the single tactic of defeating Dany would be a large army of archers, with a spear-and-shield wall of infantry. the unsullied wouldn't get thourgh in time while Dany's bloodriders will be cut to bits by arrows.
This is, if Dany doesn't get the legendary Dornish spearmen on her side in a battle, which I do hope.[close]
SpoilerTechnically the Tyrells are still allied to the Lannisters. Cersei's bombing run would have been more credible if Tommen had been there, too though[close]
SpoilerIn the Books the has already landed in the East at Golden Tooth (I think it was) with the Golden Company, not any bloodriders. Anyway, there she still has a brother so we all know they're gonna fuck, right along Targaryen tradition. Dorne in the South, Stark in the North and Targaryen in the East. It makes for a potentially very quick war, especially because both Dorne and Dany forces are at strength, while the Lannister army is severely weakened.
It is simply inevitable that during or right after the War to Take Back Westeros will be interrupted by frozen corpses with bad haircuts[close]
SpoilerIn the Books the has already landed in the East at Golden Tooth (I think it was) with the Golden Company, not any bloodriders. Anyway, there she still has a brother so we all know they're gonna fuck, right along Targaryen tradition. Dorne in the South, Stark in the North and Targaryen in the East. It makes for a potentially very quick war, especially because both Dorne and Dany forces are at strength, while the Lannister army is severely weakened.
It is simply inevitable that during or right after the War to Take Back Westeros will be interrupted by frozen corpses with bad haircuts[close]SpoilerAegon is the nephew of Danny, if related at all. He's probably a Blackfyre. They have no real involvement with each other right now.[close]
On westerosi troop quality
I've argued again and again that the show does a shit job of portraying medieval armies and warfare. I mean, long lines of identically dressed soldiers, always wearing their ridiciously over-decorated armours and retarded helmets? I mean, why do they even all have swords?
Medieval societies like that of Westeros considered for 80% out of unskilled peasants; people who basically spend their live growing food so that they can live. They were the ones 'conscripted' into service. There were no professional soldiers except for the nobility, extremely small household guards (which largely consisted of knights anyway), and mercenary companies.
Because armies were so small and troop quality so low, most wars were fought by sieges, not open pitched battles.[close]on the future warThere's no way the armies of the Westerlands will be able to even effectively defend their terroritory, let alone muster a field army that's able to defeat their opponents. Cersei is a kin-killing usurpor with no allies, no heir, no legitimacy, no money and and a minimum of troops. If her lords have any brains, they defect to Daenarys (Otherwise known as "The daughter of the legitimate king with three dragons and a big-ass army) as soon as she set foot on Westerosi soil. Probably name Tyrion Lord Paramount of the Westerlands, which he is.[close]
On westerosi troop quality
I've argued again and again that the show does a shit job of portraying medieval armies and warfare. I mean, long lines of identically dressed soldiers, always wearing their ridiciously over-decorated armours and retarded helmets? I mean, why do they even all have swords?
Medieval societies like that of Westeros considered for 80% out of unskilled peasants; people who basically spend their live growing food so that they can live. They were the ones 'conscripted' into service. There were no professional soldiers except for the nobility, extremely small household guards (which largely consisted of knights anyway), and mercenary companies.
Because armies were so small and troop quality so low, most wars were fought by sieges, not open pitched battles.[close]on the future warThere's no way the armies of the Westerlands will be able to even effectively defend their terroritory, let alone muster a field army that's able to defeat their opponents. Cersei is a kin-killing usurpor with no allies, no heir, no legitimacy, no money and and a minimum of troops. If her lords have any brains, they defect to Daenarys (Otherwise known as "The daughter of the legitimate king with three dragons and a big-ass army) as soon as she set foot on Westerosi soil. Probably name Tyrion Lord Paramount of the Westerlands, which he is.[close]SpoilerThe show is known to give no brains to many characters so don't expect anyone to defect to Daenarys.[close]
SpoilerThis is completely ignoring the fact Tyrion killed his father and by all laws should be stripped of his name and any title, rank or office he held or will hold[close]
QuoteSpoilerThis is completely ignoring the fact Tyrion killed his father and by all laws should be stripped of his name and any title, rank or office he held or will hold[close]
There isn't a law saying such a thing.
QuoteSpoilerThis is completely ignoring the fact Tyrion killed his father and by all laws should be stripped of his name and any title, rank or office he held or will hold[close]
There isn't a law saying such a thing.SpoilerBeing beheaded is a most effective way of stripping a person's titles. He escaped, so he is basically in exile.[close]
book/lore garbageI've been really into the Lovecraftian influences in the series lately. Sometime between/just before the Great Empire of the Dawn's era (which honestly could have been nuclear explosions as far as we know), and the rise of humanity in Westeros and Asshai, I am convinced that there was a deep ones (referenced as "squishers" in the books) empire, covering from Asshai being their "capital," potentially Stygai being the home of their leader/god (GoT Cthulhu?), which is why Asshai would be such a magically powerful location and yet so heavily corrupted, all the way to Yeen and the Isle of Toads, Oldtown, the Iron Islands, and potentially more.
It's suggested more so by some other things. A minor one is the mark of Borrell, the webbed fingers and toes of the members of House Borrell, who live on the Three Sisters, a series of islands between the Vale and the North. It's possible their ancestors bred with the deep ones. A bigger implication is the relation between being drowned and the clearly Cthulhu-worshipping Iron Islanders. We can tell something is up when Patchface, the fool of Storm's End in the Clash of Kings, constantly wants to take Shireen to the sea. He was mentioned as a quick and wise young man (and slave) in Volantis, but after being drowned, to the point he was believed as dead (his lungs were full of water and he showed no life until he was touched), he was none of that, instead being just... sinister and creepy as shit. What exactly they would have wanted with Shireen isn't completely clear, but given that she's a Baratheon--one of a few long-standing houses in Westeros that were descended directly from Valyrians--she could have what's really important to bloodmages: not kingsblood, but Valyrian's blood. This is a whole different theory, but I believe that the blood of Valyrians was something magical, that it could be used in sacrifice to achieve magical practices. The only people we know of being used for successful blood magic were descended from Valyrians, so that's kind of a big deal. I also believe that Lightbringer (crafted by Azor Ahai by killing his wife with it to create a "blade of fire" that's perfect in any way) is just a glorified Valyrian steel sword, and perhaps the first. Yes, I'm implying that every Valyrian steel weapon was made through blood magic. It's a theory that's implied true by the fact that the Qohorik people (like the people from Qohor, the city of sorcery) are often the people you go to to reforge Valyrian steel. Qohor is a place where blood sacrifices are often made. Anyway, back to fishies.
It's further confirmed imo by both the inhabitants of the Isle of Toads and the inhabitants of the Thousand Islands. At the Isle of Toads, the people there are described simply as "fish people," and they claim that their ancestors built the effigy of the Toad out of the oily black stone that's found in so many other places--all of which are by the sea. At the Thousand Islands, there's another semi-fish-like race of people, who fear the water, but whose gods can be seen carved into the sides of the islands out of stone whenever the tide is low. I believe the Thousand Islanders to be the equivalent of outcasts to the once-great fish-men empire.
Now, what most people would probably ask is "but what does this have to do with the rest of Game of Thrones?" and this is actually a pretty easy question. The entire series is about parallels--good against evil, light against darkness, and it's often shown that there are no pure goods and pure evils, and that lights cast shadows and shadows are deeper and darker when lights are bigger and brighter. There's a lot of theories out there that suggest that Westeros and Essos connect by a land bridge from the Lands of Always Winter and the east-most areas of Essos; the Grey Waste, some other spooky stuff, and Asshai. This is kind of suggested by many parallels between the Long Night in Westeros and a similar event in YiTi (east-most Essos that isn't spooky), and in YiTi there's even a series of forts that form a sort of wall against where Westeros and Essos would possibly connect. There's a whole theory that the Others were descended from the same ancestors as the Children of the Forest, only while the Children were getting their asses kicked by the First Men, the Other Children tried to contact dark forces to bring them strength. This is suggested in something G.R.R.M. said during an interview, where he compares the Others to the Sidhe, majestic, elf-like people in ancient Irish mythology, who supposedly defended Ireland from human invaders from the Iberian Peninsula, and when they couldn't beat them, made an agreement to give up the earthen world while keeping the underworld. This is very similar to the Children of the Forest's history. The show has done a great job at making the appearances of the Children and the Others very different, but just consider them the same.
So, if a group or individual of the Children went North, which potentially further went south to Asshai, or first Stygai where who-knows-exactly-what-but-it's-probably-Cthulhu-lives because it's further north from Asshai, they could have come in contact with whatever dark force may be there. We know Asshai is filled basically only with mages and sorcerers who practice whatever dark rituals they want, so it's possible that something quite magically powerful is in Stygai (which, by the way, is a reference to Stygia, a place in Conan mythos, something that inspired G.R.R.M., which is described as "a theocracy of sorcerer-kings; magic, human sacrifices, and slavery are common in Stygia." Sound familiar?). So if this is the same place, it makes the theory that the Great Other (probably the first?)'s creator being as evil and dark as whatever is in Stygai, because it's the same place, pretty reasonable. This is supported in the books by Melisandre of Asshai. While north of the wall, she felt magical properties only comparable to that in Asshai. Hmm. Maybe they are pretty close, then. It would make little sense of these two random locations completely around the world from each other to be as magically involved as each other.
What am I getting at here? Well, if you managed to get that far, congratulations, because this is the shit you might here at a quality GoT course in college. Professor Audiate, PhD, at your service. So, if there is just a single source of pure evil in the world--whatever is in Stygai that potentially created the Others--or at least, there's a location of a lot of it, there has to be something in the world to counter that, right? Right. Soon after the Long Night ended and Azor Ahai won the War for the Dawn, the Valyria Freehold rose. Dragons were found in the world. Great empires were being formed from fire and blood... magic. ;) Could it be that Valyria fell so suddenly as a result of the dark entity in Stygai? Somehow, maybe.
Is it any coincidence that soon after the fall of Valyria (300 years ago), and even more so after the fall of the Valyrian-descended Targaryens in Westeros (just under 30 years ago), that the Others are coming again? I'm convinced that the song of Ice and Fire has a lot of meanings: Danny and Jon, the Lannisters and the Starks, and the battle of good and evil. G.R.R.M. has already made it clear that there are no gods in his world, only magic, but does that stop magical beings/entities from existing? R'hllor doesn't seem all that great, but if another theory of mine (that the images in fire is just the same as the images in dragon glass) is false, it's possible that R'hllor is a real entity out there, likely in a hot place like Valyria, which is exactly between North of the Wall and Asshai, which means that the constant battle between good and evil can very easily be happening.
So, what I'm getting at with all of this, is that we're watching the beginning of a big crossroads in the future of the series' world and lore. The subjects of some evil entity out there, the deep ones/squishers and the Others, are both having more and more activity just as dragons are leaving the world. While it's said that there's dragons in Asshai and potentially ice dragons up north as well, I more so mean dragons in regards to the Targaryens. This really just adds to the theme that no one is safe if the War for the Dawn is lost. The Others will clear out the lands of men with their superior weapons (save for Valyrian steel, which they're probably just hoping is scattered around enough--though this does make sense of why many Westerosi houses would have been given Valyrian steel), and the deep ones/squishers will claim all the seaside locations they potentially once had but lost. The Iron Islands, the Battle Island in Oldtown, potentially everywhere coastal, really, if we look far back enough.
Anyway, this really only appeals to the type of people who would be interested, and I'm certainly one of those people. I already knew of Lovecraftian references and influences in ASOIAF for a while, like Sarnath and Carcosa, but the horrid idea of potentially millions and millions of deep ones all around the known world, all like sea equivalents of the Others, adds a whole new level of dynamic and danger to the world. If you read all this, love you![close]
SpoilerYes, Tyrion does have a claim, there's nothing stopping him from showing up and taking the claim if nothing stops him/he has more and/or better men.[close]book spoilersIn the books, right after the siege of Raventree (not happening in the show), Brienne of Tarth (who's working for Lady Stoneheart, aka dead Catelyn Stark, because she really had no choice) is last seen with Jaime leading him into the woods to find Sansa, who isn't actually there, she's just making it up. Lady Stoneheart gave her too options: kill the kingslayer, or hang, and while she was nearly dead on the noose, she promised to kill him. This is the last we see of either character, and my predictions are that the two will admit to some forbidden love, Brienne will admit what Stoneheart is forcing her to do, depressed Jaime will submit to save Brienne (the most honorable thing he could ever do, giving up his own life for someone else), Brienne will execute Jaime, and raise the blooDY SWORD OF LIGHTBRINGER FROM HIS CHEST, NOW AND FOREVER PRONOUNCED AS AZOR AHA-
Yeah, probably not. But something interesting will happen, we'll have to wait and see. Potentially, though, many outcomes can be Jaime giving up his claims, similarly to Duncan the Small (named after his father's friend and kingsguard, Ser Duncan the Tall, who Brienne just so happens to be descended from, fun fact!), or Jaime dying, or the two running away or going into hiding or taking up arms, etc. etc. We'll just have to see. But it's definitely lining up for Tyrion to be made ruler in the Westerlands.[close]potential super spoilersWhen GRRM was first starting ASOIAF, he said in a letter to his publisher (a lot of good stuff, including) that there would be 5 main characters throughout the series that all survive and are key parts to the story throughout and the final result: Daenerys Targaryen, Jon Snow, Bran Stark, Arya Stark, and Tyrion Lannister. Now, he also planned to have a love triangle between Jon, Arya, and Tyrion, and that's not happened (thank god), but it's safe to presume that Tyrion is a little something special. I won't give up on the idea that he's half Targaryen, the result of an affair between King Aerys II (the mad king) and Joanna Lannister, the wife of Tywin Lannister and mother of his children. Or, maybe not all of them. But the big prophecy of prophecies says that a three-headed dragon will sort of save and reunite everything, and the more and more I think about it the less I connect it with Danny's three dragons--they're just coincidentally enough for the three musketeers. Danny, Jon, and Tyrion, all potentially descendants of the line of Aerys and Rhaella (from which the Prince who was Promised was said to be descended from), are likely the three heads of the dragon. They all have a lot of sketchy details revolving their birth (except for Danny, depending on who you ask, though), all implying that they're Targaryen blooded, potentially meaning they all have some magical power to stop the potential long night. Read my essay if you're interested on that. It's got a lot of build up but I needed to write it to make any sense. Whatever the results are in the books, I'm excited.book/lore garbageI've been really into the Lovecraftian influences in the series lately. Sometime between/just before the Great Empire of the Dawn's era (which honestly could have been nuclear explosions as far as we know), and the rise of humanity in Westeros and Asshai, I am convinced that there was a deep ones (referenced as "squishers" in the books) empire, covering from Asshai being their "capital," potentially Stygai being the home of their leader/god (GoT Cthulhu?), which is why Asshai would be such a magically powerful location and yet so heavily corrupted, all the way to Yeen and the Isle of Toads, Oldtown, the Iron Islands, and potentially more.
It's suggested more so by some other things. A minor one is the mark of Borrell, the webbed fingers and toes of the members of House Borrell, who live on the Three Sisters, a series of islands between the Vale and the North. It's possible their ancestors bred with the deep ones. A bigger implication is the relation between being drowned and the clearly Cthulhu-worshipping Iron Islanders. We can tell something is up when Patchface, the fool of Storm's End in the Clash of Kings, constantly wants to take Shireen to the sea. He was mentioned as a quick and wise young man (and slave) in Volantis, but after being drowned, to the point he was believed as dead (his lungs were full of water and he showed no life until he was touched), he was none of that, instead being just... sinister and creepy as shit. What exactly they would have wanted with Shireen isn't completely clear, but given that she's a Baratheon--one of a few long-standing houses in Westeros that were descended directly from Valyrians--she could have what's really important to bloodmages: not kingsblood, but Valyrian's blood. This is a whole different theory, but I believe that the blood of Valyrians was something magical, that it could be used in sacrifice to achieve magical practices. The only people we know of being used for successful blood magic were descended from Valyrians, so that's kind of a big deal. I also believe that Lightbringer (crafted by Azor Ahai by killing his wife with it to create a "blade of fire" that's perfect in any way) is just a glorified Valyrian steel sword, and perhaps the first. Yes, I'm implying that every Valyrian steel weapon was made through blood magic. It's a theory that's implied true by the fact that the Qohorik people (like the people from Qohor, the city of sorcery) are often the people you go to to reforge Valyrian steel. Qohor is a place where blood sacrifices are often made. Anyway, back to fishies.
It's further confirmed imo by both the inhabitants of the Isle of Toads and the inhabitants of the Thousand Islands. At the Isle of Toads, the people there are described simply as "fish people," and they claim that their ancestors built the effigy of the Toad out of the oily black stone that's found in so many other places--all of which are by the sea. At the Thousand Islands, there's another semi-fish-like race of people, who fear the water, but whose gods can be seen carved into the sides of the islands out of stone whenever the tide is low. I believe the Thousand Islanders to be the equivalent of outcasts to the once-great fish-men empire.
Now, what most people would probably ask is "but what does this have to do with the rest of Game of Thrones?" and this is actually a pretty easy question. The entire series is about parallels--good against evil, light against darkness, and it's often shown that there are no pure goods and pure evils, and that lights cast shadows and shadows are deeper and darker when lights are bigger and brighter. There's a lot of theories out there that suggest that Westeros and Essos connect by a land bridge from the Lands of Always Winter and the east-most areas of Essos; the Grey Waste, some other spooky stuff, and Asshai. This is kind of suggested by many parallels between the Long Night in Westeros and a similar event in YiTi (east-most Essos that isn't spooky), and in YiTi there's even a series of forts that form a sort of wall against where Westeros and Essos would possibly connect. There's a whole theory that the Others were descended from the same ancestors as the Children of the Forest, only while the Children were getting their asses kicked by the First Men, the Other Children tried to contact dark forces to bring them strength. This is suggested in something G.R.R.M. said during an interview, where he compares the Others to the Sidhe, majestic, elf-like people in ancient Irish mythology, who supposedly defended Ireland from human invaders from the Iberian Peninsula, and when they couldn't beat them, made an agreement to give up the earthen world while keeping the underworld. This is very similar to the Children of the Forest's history. The show has done a great job at making the appearances of the Children and the Others very different, but just consider them the same.
So, if a group or individual of the Children went North, which potentially further went south to Asshai, or first Stygai where who-knows-exactly-what-but-it's-probably-Cthulhu-lives because it's further north from Asshai, they could have come in contact with whatever dark force may be there. We know Asshai is filled basically only with mages and sorcerers who practice whatever dark rituals they want, so it's possible that something quite magically powerful is in Stygai (which, by the way, is a reference to Stygia, a place in Conan mythos, something that inspired G.R.R.M., which is described as "a theocracy of sorcerer-kings; magic, human sacrifices, and slavery are common in Stygia." Sound familiar?). So if this is the same place, it makes the theory that the Great Other (probably the first?)'s creator being as evil and dark as whatever is in Stygai, because it's the same place, pretty reasonable. This is supported in the books by Melisandre of Asshai. While north of the wall, she felt magical properties only comparable to that in Asshai. Hmm. Maybe they are pretty close, then. It would make little sense of these two random locations completely around the world from each other to be as magically involved as each other.
What am I getting at here? Well, if you managed to get that far, congratulations, because this is the shit you might here at a quality GoT course in college. Professor Audiate, PhD, at your service. So, if there is just a single source of pure evil in the world--whatever is in Stygai that potentially created the Others--or at least, there's a location of a lot of it, there has to be something in the world to counter that, right? Right. Soon after the Long Night ended and Azor Ahai won the War for the Dawn, the Valyria Freehold rose. Dragons were found in the world. Great empires were being formed from fire and blood... magic. ;) Could it be that Valyria fell so suddenly as a result of the dark entity in Stygai? Somehow, maybe.
Is it any coincidence that soon after the fall of Valyria (300 years ago), and even more so after the fall of the Valyrian-descended Targaryens in Westeros (just under 30 years ago), that the Others are coming again? I'm convinced that the song of Ice and Fire has a lot of meanings: Danny and Jon, the Lannisters and the Starks, and the battle of good and evil. G.R.R.M. has already made it clear that there are no gods in his world, only magic, but does that stop magical beings/entities from existing? R'hllor doesn't seem all that great, but if another theory of mine (that the images in fire is just the same as the images in dragon glass) is false, it's possible that R'hllor is a real entity out there, likely in a hot place like Valyria, which is exactly between North of the Wall and Asshai, which means that the constant battle between good and evil can very easily be happening.
So, what I'm getting at with all of this, is that we're watching the beginning of a big crossroads in the future of the series' world and lore. The subjects of some evil entity out there, the deep ones/squishers and the Others, are both having more and more activity just as dragons are leaving the world. While it's said that there's dragons in Asshai and potentially ice dragons up north as well, I more so mean dragons in regards to the Targaryens. This really just adds to the theme that no one is safe if the War for the Dawn is lost. The Others will clear out the lands of men with their superior weapons (save for Valyrian steel, which they're probably just hoping is scattered around enough--though this does make sense of why many Westerosi houses would have been given Valyrian steel), and the deep ones/squishers will claim all the seaside locations they potentially once had but lost. The Iron Islands, the Battle Island in Oldtown, potentially everywhere coastal, really, if we look far back enough.
Anyway, this really only appeals to the type of people who would be interested, and I'm certainly one of those people. I already knew of Lovecraftian references and influences in ASOIAF for a while, like Sarnath and Carcosa, but the horrid idea of potentially millions and millions of deep ones all around the known world, all like sea equivalents of the Others, adds a whole new level of dynamic and danger to the world. If you read all this, love you![close][close]
Sansa isnt hot tbhNeither is ur mom
Sophie Turner is the type of attractive that when she hit puberty and got super hot it was like "FUCK YEAH" but after you realize she makes that stupid face every fucking scene makes her frustrating to look at.Spoiler(https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/mt/2016/05/sansa/lead_large.jpg?1464025395)
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Still, she's pretty on the show, but her makeup when she goes to events makes her look like a cheap hooker with some mental issues. Wind's opinion doesn't matter for much here though because the only girls he thinks are hot are from Life is Strange. ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ
sophie do got them legs tho
Not going pedo mode. But i think the actor that plays arya is a slam piece.
Squirts is probably well into his 80's by nowNot going pedo mode. But i think the actor that plays arya is a slam piece.
She's 19
Yeah actor's age is weird. Emily Kinney, who plays Beth in the Walking dead (Beth is what, a teen) is 31.
Sophie Turner is the type of attractive that when she hit puberty and got super hot it was like "FUCK YEAH" but after you realize she makes that stupid face every fucking scene makes her frustrating to look at.Spoiler(https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/mt/2016/05/sansa/lead_large.jpg?1464025395)
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Still, she's pretty on the show, but her makeup when she goes to events makes her look like a cheap hooker with some mental issues. Wind's opinion doesn't matter for much here though because the only girls he thinks are hot are from Life is Strange. ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ
sophie do got them legs tho
There's no way he's going to just allow Jon to move forward and hold the north, especially since he proclaimed he wants to rule it with Sansa. Baelish also seems like he's done so much to have just gotten this far, think there's a lot of unforseeable things that can happen. For some reason, I see him dying to protect Sansa from something. I feel like they'll make him go out with viewers respecting his death. I don't know why, but I just feel like that is what's going to happen. That or the polar opposite and he tries to fuck over Jon.
God, that last scene still infuriates me. Why'd I rewatch it. All those people just standing straight and forward like they're not going to get bored for the days of travel. The only ships that makes any sense at all with is the unsullied ships, but I doubt they have great sea legs. And why the fuck is there a ship full of dothraki that are actively engaging in the sailing process, as if they have any fucking clue what they're doing, let alone aren't getting seasick? Riding horses and the occasional walking is extremely different than standing on a boat. And how the hell did they get all those Targaryen sails ready so fucking quickly? I guess the 'liberated' slaves of Meereen still manage to keep busy. And what's with the fucking dragon figureheads? Was the surviving Targaryen fleet from Robert's Rebellion just sitting in the docks of the Tyrells and Martells for all this time? I doubt the Ironborn would hold onto anything that doesn't have a kracken on it, so I don't imagine them keeping any ships of theirs, especially after the Greyjoy Rebellion.
I feel like the bigger and bigger this show gets, the more spread out their teams and resources get, meaning any ol' idiot can direct a scene and have no idea how to direct it because they have no life experiences to base any of it off of. "I went to film school yuck yuck yuck!"
God, that last scene still infuriates me. Why'd I rewatch it. All those people just standing straight and forward like they're not going to get bored for the days of travel. The only ships that makes any sense at all with is the unsullied ships, but I doubt they have great sea legs. And why the fuck is there a ship full of dothraki that are actively engaging in the sailing process, as if they have any fucking clue what they're doing, let alone aren't getting seasick? Riding horses and the occasional walking is extremely different than standing on a boat. And how the hell did they get all those Targaryen sails ready so fucking quickly? I guess the 'liberated' slaves of Meereen still manage to keep busy. And what's with the fucking dragon figureheads? Was the surviving Targaryen fleet from Robert's Rebellion just sitting in the docks of the Tyrells and Martells for all this time? I doubt the Ironborn would hold onto anything that doesn't have a kracken on it, so I don't imagine them keeping any ships of theirs, especially after the Greyjoy Rebellion.I fucking thought that the green and yellow and red and orange where like ships from the captured Yunkyai or Astapor fleets. I didn't realize they where Tyrell and Dornish nor did I realize that Varys was there. They completely killed the scene by adding in all of these impossible things for no reason. No person would notice this, unless if they where looking for something wrong. They're fucking idiots. J.K Rowling was the smartest person when it came to movies based on books, she made sure she had to greenlight everything. GRRM should have did the same as well as Bernard Cornwell and Susan Collins. Movies and T.V shows destroy books.
I feel like the bigger and bigger this show gets, the more spread out their teams and resources get, meaning any ol' idiot can direct a scene and have no idea how to direct it because they have no life experiences to base any of it off of. "I went to film school yuck yuck yuck!"
Yeah the show is becoming mainstream lads. The hollywood phase has set in. Such a shame, Weiss had potential.
Oh you did? Let me spam it a bit more!This is your last warning Olafson. After that I'll have to mute you.
I don't see why HBO is not going to milk the shit out of the viewers. They could continue this series for years and people would still watch it.All good things must come to an end. It might also have to do with the massive 4+ million dollar per episode budget taking a toll with the torrenting of episodes.
It is one of the most popular series in the world...
I bet the Lord of the Rings film makers wish they had gone the GoT style of an ultra lucrative TV series. I guess they improvised with a 3 part movie of an intro bookThey still can make a TV series. That would be awesome.
If it is on par with the Lord of the Rings movies, quality and story wise, sure. But if its like the hobbit, then no. Definitely no.
GoT season 6 was shit.
The last two episodes of season 6 were good thoNice joke m8 last two episodes were just top of bs season. Like Arya plot is like for 10 years olds cs:go kids, Daenerys story is so cheezy, stupid, predictable. Even Tyrion got shit. And what the fuck was that crowning of Cersei and Jon Snow, you got Sansa Stark who came with Arryn army (thanks god for teleport) and is true heir to North and they crown bastard desserter that let wildlings through wall (that's how they should see it). And now we can all just wait for Dany to come burn half of Westeros and celebrate her bloodshed than she can continue Targaryen inbreeding with Jon Snow and they can save the world from evil white walkers. And then internal peace all heirs of dany and jon will be great and will continue tradition of dragon terrorism and incest. Lovely.
Season 5 also had some rly shit moments like Baelish giving Sansa to Boltons. Genious plan m888
The last two episodes of season 6 were good thoNice joke m8 last two episodes were just top of bs season. Like Arya plot is like for 10 years olds cs:go kids, Daenerys story is so cheezy, stupid, predictable. Even Tyrion got shit. And what the fuck was that crowning of Cersei and Jon Snow, you got Sansa Stark who came with Arryn army (thanks god for teleport) and is true heir to North and they crown bastard desserter that let wildlings through wall (that's how they should see it). And now we can all just wait for Dany to come burn half of Westeros and celebrate her bloodshed than she can continue Targaryen inbreeding with Jon Snow and they can save the world from evil white walkers. And then internal peace all heirs of dany and jon will be great and will continue tradition of dragon terrorism and incest. Lovely.
Season 5 also had some rly shit moments like Baelish giving Sansa to Boltons. Genious plan m888Sansa sent a raven for Baelish to come help like one or two episodes before the battle.
The last two episodes of season 6 were good thoNice joke m8 last two episodes were just top of bs season. Like Arya plot is like for 10 years olds cs:go kids, Daenerys story is so cheezy, stupid, predictable. Even Tyrion got shit. And what the fuck was that crowning of Cersei and Jon Snow, you got Sansa Stark who came with Arryn army (thanks god for teleport) and is true heir to North and they crown bastard desserter that let wildlings through wall (that's how they should see it). And now we can all just wait for Dany to come burn half of Westeros and celebrate her bloodshed than she can continue Targaryen inbreeding with Jon Snow and they can save the world from evil white walkers. And then internal peace all heirs of dany and jon will be great and will continue tradition of dragon terrorism and incest. Lovely.
Doesn't help the fact that Varys and Arya are teleporting all over the place. Also why does she have the ability to change faces? Didn't she break up with them. Makes no sense.
Doesn't help the fact that Varys and Arya are teleporting all over the place. Also why does she have the ability to change faces? Didn't she break up with them. Makes no sense.
And their cav got to Winterfell without being noticed? You think its that easy? Ramsey would have known they are coming. For example we know you cant cross Moat Cailin without taking it so soon as they would start sieging it they would inform Ramsey.Season 5 also had some rly shit moments like Baelish giving Sansa to Boltons. Genious plan m888Sansa sent a raven for Baelish to come help like one or two episodes before the battle.
The last two episodes of season 6 were good thoNice joke m8 last two episodes were just top of bs season. Like Arya plot is like for 10 years olds cs:go kids, Daenerys story is so cheezy, stupid, predictable. Even Tyrion got shit. And what the fuck was that crowning of Cersei and Jon Snow, you got Sansa Stark who came with Arryn army (thanks god for teleport) and is true heir to North and they crown bastard desserter that let wildlings through wall (that's how they should see it). And now we can all just wait for Dany to come burn half of Westeros and celebrate her bloodshed than she can continue Targaryen inbreeding with Jon Snow and they can save the world from evil white walkers. And then internal peace all heirs of dany and jon will be great and will continue tradition of dragon terrorism and incest. Lovely.
What happened to using spoilers? lolWell if you aren't caught up you shouldn't read you had a lot of time.
Don't worry, I've read all the books and i've seen the show. Im just looking out for the people that click on this thread and have not yet caught up.What happened to using spoilers? lolWell if you aren't caught up you shouldn't read you had a lot of time.
they probably sailed to white harbor. there's a great, albeit really long, video breaking down the trade of the north and why the manderlys would hate the boltons being kings/lord paramounts of the north. i have no idea where the video because every time i try to find a video or meme or whatever that ive seen before it disappears from the internet.Even like that they have half of North to cross without being seen. Also did you notice that in battle of bastards there is no snow but when Stannis is there there is muchos snow. Seems like winter is over boys.
There is more than one approach to Winterfell and snow can melt temporarily because of you know, the sun. Its probably why there was a shitton of mud.they probably sailed to white harbor. there's a great, albeit really long, video breaking down the trade of the north and why the manderlys would hate the boltons being kings/lord paramounts of the north. i have no idea where the video because every time i try to find a video or meme or whatever that ive seen before it disappears from the internet.Even like that they have half of North to cross without being seen. Also did you notice that in battle of bastards there is no snow but when Stannis is there there is muchos snow. Seems like winter is over boys.
There can be as many approaches to Winterfell as you want. Foreign cav army of few thousand wouldn't be able to cross such wast land unnoticed, remember they don't even know the land. Also Bolton's probably had spy in every Northern city and castle so they would alert Ramsey when they would come to White Harbor.There is more than one approach to Winterfell and snow can melt temporarily because of you know, the sun. Its probably why there was a shitton of mud.they probably sailed to white harbor. there's a great, albeit really long, video breaking down the trade of the north and why the manderlys would hate the boltons being kings/lord paramounts of the north. i have no idea where the video because every time i try to find a video or meme or whatever that ive seen before it disappears from the internet.Even like that they have half of North to cross without being seen. Also did you notice that in battle of bastards there is no snow but when Stannis is there there is muchos snow. Seems like winter is over boys.
Maybe it was the fact that the priestess of the lord of light was escorting the person who many believe to be the prince of ICE AND FIRE. I would imagine one of those two things has the potential to upset the weather. We saw how once the red priestess left that the snow proceeded to fall again.
Well now that other people are helping with the writing it might have changed. Melisandre still talks of the 'Prince who was promised' being of both ice and fire. A Stark + Targaryan = Ice and Fire. Jon definitely fits the bill.Maybe it was the fact that the priestess of the lord of light was escorting the person who many believe to be the prince of ICE AND FIRE. I would imagine one of those two things has the potential to upset the weather. We saw how once the red priestess left that the snow proceeded to fall again.
Not like they were sitting next to the wall for half a season before without melting it down. Also GRRM dislikes religion (fanatics) which mean Prince that was promised is just a bullshit story, he also dislikes war so there might be no war for dawn but hey we are talking about show that is currently on Harry Potter level.
Unless dear ol' Georgeboy comes up with some spectacular plot-twist which has been there, lurking about, but nobody really didn't want to believe. Or that it's all bullshit and that they find out that it is and just stick with killing people anyways.
It is GRRM, after all.
So does Daenerys, maybe Tyrion ...Well now that other people are helping with the writing it might have changed. Melisandre still talks of the 'Prince who was promised' being of both ice and fire. A Stark + Targaryan = Ice and Fire. Jon definitely fits the bill.Maybe it was the fact that the priestess of the lord of light was escorting the person who many believe to be the prince of ICE AND FIRE. I would imagine one of those two things has the potential to upset the weather. We saw how once the red priestess left that the snow proceeded to fall again.
Not like they were sitting next to the wall for half a season before without melting it down. Also GRRM dislikes religion (fanatics) which mean Prince that was promised is just a bullshit story, he also dislikes war so there might be no war for dawn but hey we are talking about show that is currently on Harry Potter level.
Unless dear ol' Georgeboy comes up with some spectacular plot-twist which has been there, lurking about, but nobody really didn't want to believe. Or that it's all bullshit and that they find out that it is and just stick with killing people anyways.
It is GRRM, after all.
He's a fat buffoon.
Maybe it was the fact that the priestess of the lord of light was escorting the person who many believe to be the prince of ICE AND FIRE. I would imagine one of those two things has the potential to upset the weather. We saw how once the red priestess left that the snow proceeded to fall again.
Not like they were sitting next to the wall for half a season before without melting it down. Also GRRM dislikes religion (fanatics) which mean Prince that was promised is just a bullshit story, he also dislikes war so there might be no war for dawn but hey we are talking about show that is currently on Harry Potter level.
Maybe it was the fact that the priestess of the lord of light was escorting the person who many believe to be the prince of ICE AND FIRE. I would imagine one of those two things has the potential to upset the weather. We saw how once the red priestess left that the snow proceeded to fall again.
Not like they were sitting next to the wall for half a season before without melting it down. Also GRRM dislikes religion (fanatics) which mean Prince that was promised is just a bullshit story, he also dislikes war so there might be no war for dawn but hey we are talking about show that is currently on Harry Potter level.
But hey, you are using the English language in a way that currently is on Primary level.
The point about the mud at Winterfell was rain on the set, they had to use tons of gravel to make the ground dry enough for filming due to the bad weather. Varys did not teleport (SHIP) and let's take the Vale's Cav as miracle, no need to be upset.
My English has nothing to do with GoT season 6 being shit so seems like you are bringing it up just because you are butthurt.Maybe it was the fact that the priestess of the lord of light was escorting the person who many believe to be the prince of ICE AND FIRE. I would imagine one of those two things has the potential to upset the weather. We saw how once the red priestess left that the snow proceeded to fall again.
Not like they were sitting next to the wall for half a season before without melting it down. Also GRRM dislikes religion (fanatics) which mean Prince that was promised is just a bullshit story, he also dislikes war so there might be no war for dawn but hey we are talking about show that is currently on Harry Potter level.
But hey, you are using the English language in a way that currently is on Primary level.
The point about the mud at Winterfell was rain on the set, they had to use tons of gravel to make the ground dry enough for filming due to the bad weather. Varys did not teleport (SHIP) and let's take the Vale's Cav as miracle, no need to be upset.
It takes about a day to round up the Knights of the Vale if it's urgent enough, it takes a day or two to sail from the Vale to White Harbor/wherever is quickest, and it takes a few days to ride from there to Winterfell. The knights was no miracle. Though the Martells and the Tyrells showing up (also, what was Varys even doing? Book spoiler below on that), that was nothing more than a miracle, there were no queues to tell us that time had passed so quickly.Lol m8 it takes far longer to do any of things you said. Vale is like a size of 1/3 of Holy Roman Empire when Salians ruled it. First Salian Emperour got a word that Italian vassals rebelled, how long do you think he needed to get to Italy with his army? Half a year. In that time Italian vassal actually change their minds and there were no rebels xD.SpoilerIn the books, Varys goes and assassinates Tywin's brother, Kevan, the guy who was against Cersei and yet everyone here claims he was her only ally left (he wasn't). In the show, he died in the explosion (probably), and it was never explained what urgent and serious business Varys had in Westeros. But he managed to somehow sneak in, do whatever, and sneak out quick enough to get back.
Maybe I'm just misremembering, was he a part of the Tyrell/Martell agreement or something?[close]
It takes about a day to round up the Knights of the Vale if it's urgent enough, it takes a day or two to sail from the Vale to White Harbor/wherever is quickest, and it takes a few days to ride from there to Winterfell. The knights was no miracle. Though the Martells and the Tyrells showing up (also, what was Varys even doing? Book spoiler below on that), that was nothing more than a miracle, there were no queues to tell us that time had passed so quickly.SpoilerIn the books, Varys goes and assassinates Tywin's brother, Kevan, the guy who was against Cersei and yet everyone here claims he was her only ally left (he wasn't). In the show, he died in the explosion (probably), and it was never explained what urgent and serious business Varys had in Westeros. But he managed to somehow sneak in, do whatever, and sneak out quick enough to get back.
Maybe I'm just misremembering, was he a part of the Tyrell/Martell agreement or something?[close]
Thanks god someone actually doesn't thinks they had cars and phones in middle ages.It takes about a day to round up the Knights of the Vale if it's urgent enough, it takes a day or two to sail from the Vale to White Harbor/wherever is quickest, and it takes a few days to ride from there to Winterfell. The knights was no miracle. Though the Martells and the Tyrells showing up (also, what was Varys even doing? Book spoiler below on that), that was nothing more than a miracle, there were no queues to tell us that time had passed so quickly.SpoilerIn the books, Varys goes and assassinates Tywin's brother, Kevan, the guy who was against Cersei and yet everyone here claims he was her only ally left (he wasn't). In the show, he died in the explosion (probably), and it was never explained what urgent and serious business Varys had in Westeros. But he managed to somehow sneak in, do whatever, and sneak out quick enough to get back.
Maybe I'm just misremembering, was he a part of the Tyrell/Martell agreement or something?[close]
It took about a week for Medieval English monarchs to gather together an army in the event of an emergency, and England had a highly developed administrative system handed down from the time of the Scandinavian invasions. 24 hours can't be realistic, especially since the Vale is supposed to be a lot bigger than Medieval England (Vale is more than four times the size of England geographically, and supposedly has a population of 4.5 million, verses 2 million for England in 1100). Also it's somewhere around 340 miles from White Harbour to Winterfell, and getting together a fleet, loading an army and provisions onto it and hoping for clear weather isn't an easy task either. But hey, this is fantasy so who cares.
Unless dear ol' Georgeboy comes up with some spectacular plot-twist which has been there, lurking about, but nobody really didn't want to believe. Or that it's all bullshit and that they find out that it is and just stick with killing people anyways.
It is GRRM, after all.
He's a fat buffoon.
i know you are but what is he
lolYet it's still not as fast you are talking Robert's rebellion lasted for more than a year. Also we don't really know of their year is of same lenght as ours. Petyr had no power over Vale army without Robin's approval (though in reality regent could only war if he had support of most vassals, in books he doesn't). So he couldn't have any army in the North, plus if he had one means even less sense Ramsey didn't notice it. Game of Thrones is realistic it's like our world but with a bit different physics, nature (dragons are just animals), additional intellegent races (children, white walkers...).
Keep in mind that this is the Game of Thrones universe, not real life, and the way things just seem to happen in the Game of Thrones universe is generally way quicker. This is the case in both the books and the show. I don't expect Sansa to call up her creepy "uncle" on her iPhone and for said uncle to tweet out to all his knights and ships. But keep in mind, the ENTIRETY of the main Game of Thrones books and show is set in three years. If it was trying to be anything super realistic, it would be a much longer and much, much more drawn out series, and the combination of GRRM being a reasonable writer and his fanbase not being the type to wait any longer than they already are for shit to happen in the series, it's not allowed to be fucking realistic. Aight? Aight.
Let's also not forget the possibility that, given Petyr was in the North not too long ago, his men could have been with him, somewhere in the North, for all that time. He's known for laying traps already, so that's not too far out there.
You boys are ignoring the fact even if they would get there so fast they would be noticed and would probably have to take Moat Cailin which is really hard or if they went by boat to white harobr they wouldn't be traveling on kings road all the time which would slow them down. Basicially imossible they would get to Winterfell unnoticed that fast.
Also in Robert's rebelion no-one gathered all the troops mostly the raised like 30-50%.
You guys are going way to in depth with this.You can never go to deep.
You guys are going way to in depth with this.You can never go to deep.
I would be banned for saying that.You guys are going way to in depth with this.You can never go to deep.
Tell that to Mr. Hands
You guys are going way to in depth with this.You can never go to deep.
Game of Thrones is realistic it's like our world but with a bit different physics, nature (dragons are just animals), additional intellegent races (children, white walkers...).There is also theories that there is no magic in game of thrones only telephaty.
You guys are going way too in depth with this.
You guys are going way to in depth with this.You can never go to deep.
You can. Explain again why we should bother that hard in a world with dragons and magic women reanimating commanders. I also care about stuff like that, but there is no point in arguing about "mu realsim" when you have magic iceguys with thousands of zombies right next to the lands.
Moat Cailin is never easy to take it is said that only a few Ironborn could hold a fortress against Boltons for a long time since it's stratigically placed fortress. I ride horses and going with a horse over icey river is retarded. We don't know if Westeros is the same but warhorse was worth 200 normal (working) horses. Horses are clumsy and would break legs on ice so again not an option.
Modestly, travelling from the Eyrie to Winterfell is roughly a quarter or the continent. Which would be 1000 kilometres. After some Googling I found that a fully mounted medieval army could travel up to roughly 30 miles per day, or 48 (let's say 50 to make it easy) kilometres.
Of course horses can cross, ice snow piles up on ice making it a solid surface to cross. Plus its not like swamps are 100% water, you can walk on the land there because it would be frozen solid.Moat Cailin is never easy to take it is said that only a few Ironborn could hold a fortress against Boltons for a long time since it's stratigically placed fortress. I ride horses and going with a horse over icey river is retarded. We don't know if Westeros is the same but warhorse was worth 200 normal (working) horses. Horses are clumsy and would break legs on ice so again not an option.
I disagree. Trained horses are capable of crossing thick ice, if not while mounted then surely when led by the steers.
Guys pls Gendry will sit the Iron Throne. Leave it at that.No Edric Stone will.
1. its a swamp, the water is barely that deep in the most of itYou really don't get it Moat Cailin is a fort that can be defended with few soldiers like 300 Spartans held Persian army for a long time. Plus considering swaps are near sea and winter hit Eyire which is much higher than swaps didn't freeze yet. So even if they take moat cailin or go around him Ramsey still knows they are coming and wouldn't leave winterfell.
2. theres still a fuckin road, moat cailin is the only thing that really defends that road and its generally pretty unmanned, especially with the starks gone and the boltons keeping their resources close to home, since they have friends at the crossing and everywhere else but the vale and reach etc.
There would be snow on the ice, and the swamps would Freeze, the North is pretty much Canada at this point so trust me, that Freshwater is Frozen man, sure white harbor may even be frozen.1. its a swamp, the water is barely that deep in the most of itYou really don't get it Moat Cailin is a fort that can be defended with few soldiers like 300 Spartans held Persian army for a long time. Plus considering swaps are near sea and winter hit Eyire which is much higher than swaps didn't freeze yet. So even if they take moat cailin or go around him Ramsey still knows they are coming and wouldn't leave winterfell.
2. theres still a fuckin road, moat cailin is the only thing that really defends that road and its generally pretty unmanned, especially with the starks gone and the boltons keeping their resources close to home, since they have friends at the crossing and everywhere else but the vale and reach etc.
Well cosacks are light cav and have smaller horses, but yeah i guess if there is snow over ice its easier.
a l s oRetard road goes through Moat Cailin. Now fucking stop since any fucking path they takw they would be seen by Boltons.
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Even if they had Bolton loyal troops there... What if Littlefinger just paid them to be silent? That would fit his character.I think Bolton soldiers are pretty scared of Ramsey wouldn't accept it. And as I said it was retarded that even Baelish got army of Vale since Vale vassals mostly dislike Baelish apart from once that Baelish paid their debts to Ironbank.
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Well it fucking happened and we're all giving reasons as to how it happened logicaly. If you're just going to keep saying "Meh that's wrong" there is no point in continuing.I am saying it makes no sense to happen and things like that ruin the show.
Travelling across a frozen swamp to avoid Bolton troops makes no sense?Well it fucking happened and we're all giving reasons as to how it happened logicaly. If you're just going to keep saying "Meh that's wrong" there is no point in continuing.I am saying it makes no sense to happen and things like that ruin the show.
Travelling across masive area of land (Swaps to Winterfell) without being noticed by Boltons that you don't know at all makes no sense.Travelling across a frozen swamp to avoid Bolton troops makes no sense?Well it fucking happened and we're all giving reasons as to how it happened logicaly. If you're just going to keep saying "Meh that's wrong" there is no point in continuing.I am saying it makes no sense to happen and things like that ruin the show.
Well technically he got Robin to say the Knight's need to help Sansa and he just carried out that 'command'. We all know it was manipulation but theoretically the ruler did say it.Even if they had Bolton loyal troops there... What if Littlefinger just paid them to be silent? That would fit his character.I think Bolton soldiers are pretty scared of Ramsey wouldn't accept it. And as I said it was retarded that even Baelish got army of Vale since Vale vassals mostly dislike Baelish apart from once that Baelish paid their debts to Ironbank.
Robin is 10 years old weak child so his opinion doesn't matters and even regent can't decleare war. Vale nobles are just waiting for Robin to die and Harry the Heir to take his place even Robin knows it (Robin is strong telephat nobody told him they want him dead he says he heard voices say it).Well technically he got Robin to say the Knight's need to help Sansa and he just carried out that 'command'. We all know it was manipulation but theoretically the ruler did say it.Even if they had Bolton loyal troops there... What if Littlefinger just paid them to be silent? That would fit his character.I think Bolton soldiers are pretty scared of Ramsey wouldn't accept it. And as I said it was retarded that even Baelish got army of Vale since Vale vassals mostly dislike Baelish apart from once that Baelish paid their debts to Ironbank.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsUy5X9tUlQRobin is 10 years old weak child so his opinion doesn't matters and even regent can't decleare war. Vale nobles are just waiting for Robin to die and Harry the Heir to take his place even Robin knows it (Robin is strong telephat nobody told him they want him dead he says he heard voices say it).Well technically he got Robin to say the Knight's need to help Sansa and he just carried out that 'command'. We all know it was manipulation but theoretically the ruler did say it.Even if they had Bolton loyal troops there... What if Littlefinger just paid them to be silent? That would fit his character.I think Bolton soldiers are pretty scared of Ramsey wouldn't accept it. And as I said it was retarded that even Baelish got army of Vale since Vale vassals mostly dislike Baelish apart from once that Baelish paid their debts to Ironbank.
Btw I support Baelish best character in books and series though books much better.
Ryan Ramsey would still know about them coming.
William there is no way to prove Jon is legit heir, like most nobles wouldn't believe it.
Not to mention its not like one of those 15 Bolton soldiers knew how to use Ravens, you know something taught at the citadel. Like I don't know why you're so reluctant to accept that there are logical ways of getting into the North. It was a good scene and the logic checks out!
Well when they would see Vale army and send a raven, there is no such thing know how to use raven lol it's basically if you have raven for that is taught to fly to Winterfell they would just give em letter and gg. No way they would get pass entire North without being seen and news travel faster then armies especially because Boltons expect rebels and would have spys everywhere. Moat Cailin is very much in firm control of Boltons they are know how important it is to hold the North, Roose and Ramsey are both smarter than any Stark. And like I said whole thing makes no sense because there is so many unrealistic things. Major houses that held power over Vale for 20 years while Jon Arryn was Hand dislike Petyr and he is only regent. Robin has 0 power so if he says he wants war nobody gives a fuck plus he doesn't wants war his mom kept them in peace and brought him up to be paranoid and protective as Lysa was he is even scared to leave Eyire and go to Moon Gates.Ryan Ramsey would still know about them coming.
William there is no way to prove Jon is legit heir, like most nobles wouldn't believe it.
How McPero? What does he do, get a phone call? No. Half the North is in mutiny, Petyr would pass mostly Hornwood and Cerwyn soldiers both loyal to House Stark. Ramsey wouldn't have a clue that they're coming if nobody sends a Raven and how would that be possible if they simply passed through the fort. They can just steal them or kill them all if they wanted. There would be no resistance for the Vale soldiers at all and it would take a long time for Ramsay to be notified about their arrival, the North is large, it's open. You might not see a soul for miles if you're not near White Harbour and Locke. Most people don't even know who Ramsay is, they don't know what he looks like, many commoners probably don't even know who is running the North at this time. Who do they report the Cavalry to? Why would they think anything of the Cavalry, the Vale and North have been friends for centuries.
Maybe they don't know how to write? Maybe someone shot the raven? Maybe they captured the castle, its just like 20 men or so, most likely. Maybe they surrendered? Maybe they just marched through the frozen swamps?
There are a million options, I really do not get why you are so keen on it being impossible to arrive unnoticed.
However, here is my own psychological theory about Baelish.It's not Caitlyn he helped orcestrating Red Wedding where she was killed. He wants either raw power or destroy feudalism and replace it with capitalism.
I personally think that the Baelish we see isn't his true personality. He is a man driven by his unfulfilled love to Catelyn and that's why he is the way he is. All he has ever wanted was Catelyn, but he failed although he did everything he could in order to get into a relationship with her. But he failed, he failed due to Ned - that's why he killed Ned, that's the reason for all his hate. He may play his character as the power-hungry, unfeeling monster many people see him as very well, but he isn't like this. He's actually kind of a lonely soul driven by his love.
All his money, all his power was meant to make Catelyn feel comfortable with him - but the things he did in order to achieve his wealth drove Catelyn away from him, and he could not understand why it happened. He loved and loves her so much that his main target was to make her love him also, but she simply did not and that's what he can not understand.
It is difficult for me to express this in English, but I think you can see where it is going. The real Baelish is a person that would have sacrificed everything and everyone for his true love, but it did not work out. Now he is trying to gain "everything" in exchange for the one and only thing he has desired but lost: Catelyn.
The "Littlefinger" we see is nothing but a wall, guarding his real personality. He has lost so much by loosing Catelyn, he has hated Ned all the time for being with her, he has always been insulted and offended as the "poor" guy from the Vale. Now he is mighty enough to silence all these people that hurt him before and he is on the best way to do it. Baelish does want everything because he has lost the only thing he was living for, in fact Catelyn still is the one person that is leading his actions although she's dead.
Baelish is acting all out of his failed love to Catelyn.
Well when they would see Vale army and send a raven, there is no such thing know how to use raven lol it's basically if you have raven for that is taught to fly to Winterfell they would just give em letter and gg. No way they would get pass entire North without being seen and news travel faster then armies especially because Boltons expect rebels and would have spys everywhere. Moat Cailin is very much in firm control of Boltons they are know how important it is to hold the North, Roose and Ramsey are both smarter than any Stark. And like I said whole thing makes no sense because there is so many unrealistic things. Major houses that held power over Vale for 20 years while Jon Arryn was Hand dislike Petyr and he is only regent. Robin has 0 power so if he says he wants war nobody gives a fuck plus he doesn't wants war his mom kept them in peace and brought him up to be paranoid and protective as Lysa was he is even scared to leave Eyire and go to Moon Gates.Ryan Ramsey would still know about them coming.
William there is no way to prove Jon is legit heir, like most nobles wouldn't believe it.
How McPero? What does he do, get a phone call? No. Half the North is in mutiny, Petyr would pass mostly Hornwood and Cerwyn soldiers both loyal to House Stark. Ramsey wouldn't have a clue that they're coming if nobody sends a Raven and how would that be possible if they simply passed through the fort. They can just steal them or kill them all if they wanted. There would be no resistance for the Vale soldiers at all and it would take a long time for Ramsay to be notified about their arrival, the North is large, it's open. You might not see a soul for miles if you're not near White Harbour and Locke. Most people don't even know who Ramsay is, they don't know what he looks like, many commoners probably don't even know who is running the North at this time. Who do they report the Cavalry to? Why would they think anything of the Cavalry, the Vale and North have been friends for centuries.
So let's go over quickly: Makes no sense Petyr even gets Vale army, Army can't pass Moat Cailin fast enough unless swaps are frozen and swaps people help them (which isn't very likely since Eyire got snowy recently and is like 2000 meters higher then swaps, army would be seen by Boltons and would alert Ramsey about it, after victory they crown bastard deserter who let wildlings through wall as King of the North when real heir Sansa who tped Vale army there and secured victory is sitting next to him and says one of those smart quotes: "Only a fool would trust Littlefigner" and she trusts him gg. Sounds pretty fucking hollywood cheezy to me.
1. Vale nobles are as dirty as other nobles. If Robin would fall out of Moondoor Nestor Royce would have no power, all power would be given to Robin's heir Harry the Heir who is of age and brawdy knight. They call him young eagle. Vale nobles are loyal to Arryns not some shady ex master of coin son of sellsword. They don't want war and are okay with Robin staying ruler or dying and Harry becoming ruler.Well when they would see Vale army and send a raven, there is no such thing know how to use raven lol it's basically if you have raven for that is taught to fly to Winterfell they would just give em letter and gg. No way they would get pass entire North without being seen and news travel faster then armies especially because Boltons expect rebels and would have spys everywhere. Moat Cailin is very much in firm control of Boltons they are know how important it is to hold the North, Roose and Ramsey are both smarter than any Stark. And like I said whole thing makes no sense because there is so many unrealistic things. Major houses that held power over Vale for 20 years while Jon Arryn was Hand dislike Petyr and he is only regent. Robin has 0 power so if he says he wants war nobody gives a fuck plus he doesn't wants war his mom kept them in peace and brought him up to be paranoid and protective as Lysa was he is even scared to leave Eyire and go to Moon Gates.Ryan Ramsey would still know about them coming.
William there is no way to prove Jon is legit heir, like most nobles wouldn't believe it.
How McPero? What does he do, get a phone call? No. Half the North is in mutiny, Petyr would pass mostly Hornwood and Cerwyn soldiers both loyal to House Stark. Ramsey wouldn't have a clue that they're coming if nobody sends a Raven and how would that be possible if they simply passed through the fort. They can just steal them or kill them all if they wanted. There would be no resistance for the Vale soldiers at all and it would take a long time for Ramsay to be notified about their arrival, the North is large, it's open. You might not see a soul for miles if you're not near White Harbour and Locke. Most people don't even know who Ramsay is, they don't know what he looks like, many commoners probably don't even know who is running the North at this time. Who do they report the Cavalry to? Why would they think anything of the Cavalry, the Vale and North have been friends for centuries.
So let's go over quickly: Makes no sense Petyr even gets Vale army, Army can't pass Moat Cailin fast enough unless swaps are frozen and swaps people help them (which isn't very likely since Eyire got snowy recently and is like 2000 meters higher then swaps, army would be seen by Boltons and would alert Ramsey about it, after victory they crown bastard deserter who let wildlings through wall as King of the North when real heir Sansa who tped Vale army there and secured victory is sitting next to him and says one of those smart quotes: "Only a fool would trust Littlefigner" and she trusts him gg. Sounds pretty fucking hollywood cheezy to me.
1. The Houses of the Vale are Loyal as Fuck, probably the most loyal in all of Westeros out of respect for Robins farther. If they weren't loyal Robin would have 'accidentally' stepped out the moon door by now and Lord Royce would be in command.
2. Even if they could send off a Raven before they reached Cailin they wouldn't, they risk the Raven being seen = slaughter for all of the men holding Cailin. You don't seem to realise that commoner soldiers hold no loyalty for their houses unless they're hardcore Household guard. They're in it for the money and if their life seems threatened it comes first before any other Lord that doesn't give a shit about them.
3. Most if not all of the Bolton Soldiers are required at the Battle of the Bastards, what makes you think Cailin is even held with Bolton soldiers?
4. Spies everywhere? Ok, that's just silly because the North is HUGE and the Boltons only control a small portion of the North, the rest is filled with Rebels, looters and Wildlings, what makes you think anyone as far as Cailin would want to work as a spy to a House that has brought nothing but war and poverty to the Region, the Soldiers of other Northern Houses in the region they passed are working against the Boltons. But no, there won't be spies in the middle of the wasteland of which they traveled. Possibly in built up areas but your average farmer won't be a spy because they work for completely different Houses and the Boltons simply don't have the men to cover such a vast landscape.
Just stop it McPero, I think we can all agree that we disagree with you so there is no need to keep the salty beef going.Bitch pls cheezy hollywood boi, seems like you are salty since i burned your post about Petyr in one sentance.
Interesting thing I just saw:Well in books similar letter was sent by Mance Rayder to Jon Snow to trigger him and dessert night watch and than they kill him.
Ramsay sends a letter to the greyjoys early on (forgot the season) with Theon's manliness inside and the letter is sealed in yellow/tan wax.
Fast foward to season 6: A "bolton" rider delivers a Ramsay letter Castle Black with a red seal of house bolton saying "come and see" multiple times. Shortly thereafter we also see a Baelish letter come in red wax. Here's where it gets really weird, in the seen of the falcon and Robin, Baelish sort of forces out this dialogue of "come and see".
Basically I think Baelish sent the letter to drive Sansa and Jon to war and he's just orchestrating even more wars for his gain.
It not been esthablished who wrote the Pink Letter.Yeah but it was probably Mance Rayder, has the means, knowledge and motive.
in the books, the letter was likely forged by mance rayder, so its possible the show is following that theory
however, in the books, mance rayder is still alive, and in the show he is not. the show very much disvalued mance's character, by removing a lot of his crew and his child from the story. so as far as the show is concerned, it probably isnt mance, but who it really is is hard to say.
i only disagree with the baelish theory because baelish is probably smart enough not to send letters under different names using the exact same wax. sure, the show has been showing wax being pressed for a long time, but i think its to fulfill some weird fetish among the cast and crew than some elaborate setup for some pretty minuscule result, the kind most people wouldnt notice.
but hey, the writers dont even fucking care anymore. even in theyre interviews for the show theyre just not as interested as they were in the earlier seasons.
in the books, the letter was likely forged by mance rayder, so its possible the show is following that theoryYeah I was talking about books.
however, in the books, mance rayder is still alive, and in the show he is not. the show very much disvalued mance's character, by removing a lot of his crew and his child from the story. so as far as the show is concerned, it probably isnt mance, but who it really is is hard to say.
i only disagree with the baelish theory because baelish is probably smart enough not to send letters under different names using the exact same wax. sure, the show has been showing wax being pressed for a long time, but i think its to fulfill some weird fetish among the cast and crew than some elaborate setup for some pretty minuscule result, the kind most people wouldnt notice.
but hey, the writers dont even fucking care anymore. even in theyre interviews for the show theyre just not as interested as they were in the earlier seasons.
Let me point out one other thing: Littlefinger got Cersei to pledge to make him Warden of the North if he succeeds in removing the Boltons - therefore he had the task to remove the Boltons, given by the current Queen. It will be very interesting to see if Cersei really makes him Warden.Well I wouldn't call Cersei a Queen she is rather a dictator or tyrant since she had no claim to the Iron Throne. And Cersei is supported by Freys, maybe some crownlands houses and Lannisters. Even if she makes him Warden of the North no body would care. Warden of the North is just a honorary title it can be granted to nobles without land, it basically means he is official protector of the North. Lord Paramount of the North is title that gives you land and command over North. In past title Warden of the North/West/South/East was usually given to Lord Paramount of the North/Westerlands/Reach/Vale but in recent events title Warden of the West was given to Ser Daven Lannister, while Cersei is officially Lord Paramount of the Westerlands. And when Jon Arryn died Jamie Lannister was proclaimed Warden of the East since Robin was to young. Anyways we know Cersei will stand no chance against Daenerys with Dothraki, mercernaries, Unsollied (trash army) and support of Reach and Dorne. It was pretty retarded of Baelish to ask Cersei for that since he knew she was going down, its just writers of the show should kill themselves destroying good series and characters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvjtXmcYGBU
Yes, Cersei can make Little Finger Warden of the North but it won't mean shit. It's Houses are loyal to Jon and pretty much disregard anything that the Crownlands dictate now anyway - hence 'King in the North', which is a Declaration of Independence.
Yes, Cersei can make Little Finger Warden of the North but it won't mean shit. It's Houses are loyal to Jon and pretty much disregard anything that the Crownlands dictate now anyway - hence 'King in the North', which is a Declaration of Independence.Yeah it won't mean shit in two ways:
I never thought of Bran warging into dragons; Interesting idea and potential plot point.SpoilerYes, Cersei can make Little Finger Warden of the North but it won't mean shit. It's Houses are loyal to Jon and pretty much disregard anything that the Crownlands dictate now anyway - hence 'King in the North', which is a Declaration of Independence.
Sorry Mcpero but that's completely wrong on how the show will end, they won't make it the same as the Mad Kings death that's just stupid and the Directors understand what's crige worthy and would ruin the show in such a way.
My prediction on how the show will end is that ofcourse the Vale and North will unite and invade the Riverlands and capture Riverrun (Re-uniting Arya) whilst the Lannister army is in the south preparing for danys arrival, the Lannister Army will probably also patrol the borders of the reach. By this point I think that Brann would've made it safe back with Jon. When the invasion starts Jon will choose to go no further to confront danys army because he fears the protection of the North, but Dany wants control of all of Westeros and I don't think Jon would want that and I think he would prefer it to remain independent because he believes the Targaryens no longer have claim to the throne. This goes against everything his farther fought for so forced to go to war, they will probably start to get fucked over by the dragons but Brann manages to warg into the biggest one killing the other two. Still being under the dragons control he forced danys army to surrender. Then and I hope that they find out that Gendry is somewhat a legitimate heir to the throne being Robert Baratheons son and I think they will make him King due to most legitimacy, then I think they will Marry Arya and Gendry to make an alliance with the King in the North and the Crown making Jon the new Warden of the North. Dany will die sorry lads. I think this is a nice ending because it prevents both Jon and Dany supporters from being unhappy to the outcome of the victor, maybe Dany can be sent back to Essos to control Valaria and rebuild it instead.[close]
Yes, Cersei can make Little Finger Warden of the North but it won't mean shit. It's Houses are loyal to Jon and pretty much disregard anything that the Crownlands dictate now anyway - hence 'King in the North', which is a Declaration of Independence.
'Loyalty' seems to mean little for Northern lords according to D&D tho. In fact, the biggest houses tried to defeat him. The North remembers my arse
Also, if it were to come to Vale vs. what's left of the North (Petyr vs Jon) then Jon would be fucked. Not that, that is going to happen but still
That would be lovely.Yes, Cersei can make Little Finger Warden of the North but it won't mean shit. It's Houses are loyal to Jon and pretty much disregard anything that the Crownlands dictate now anyway - hence 'King in the North', which is a Declaration of Independence.
'Loyalty' seems to mean little for Northern lords according to D&D tho. In fact, the biggest houses tried to defeat him. The North remembers my arse
Also, if it were to come to Vale vs. what's left of the North (Petyr vs Jon) then Jon would be fucked. Not that, that is going to happen but still
Well I do believe Petyr will try to backstab Jon in someway, maybe pit Sansa against him for example.
Actually already happened. Do you recall the scene of Baelish and Sansa at the weirood and he always emphasizes 'half brother' and how he is getting the glory and not her, a trueborn child of Ned and Catelyn. He's definitely trying to plant the seeds of jealousy.That would be lovely.Yes, Cersei can make Little Finger Warden of the North but it won't mean shit. It's Houses are loyal to Jon and pretty much disregard anything that the Crownlands dictate now anyway - hence 'King in the North', which is a Declaration of Independence.
'Loyalty' seems to mean little for Northern lords according to D&D tho. In fact, the biggest houses tried to defeat him. The North remembers my arse
Also, if it were to come to Vale vs. what's left of the North (Petyr vs Jon) then Jon would be fucked. Not that, that is going to happen but still
Well I do believe Petyr will try to backstab Jon in someway, maybe pit Sansa against him for example.
But show is cheezy and Sansa must stay good guy ...Actually already happened. Do you recall the scene of Baelish and Sansa at the weirood and he always emphasizes 'half brother' and how he is getting the glory and not her, a trueborn child of Ned and Catelyn. He's definitely trying to plant the seeds of jealousy.That would be lovely.Yes, Cersei can make Little Finger Warden of the North but it won't mean shit. It's Houses are loyal to Jon and pretty much disregard anything that the Crownlands dictate now anyway - hence 'King in the North', which is a Declaration of Independence.
'Loyalty' seems to mean little for Northern lords according to D&D tho. In fact, the biggest houses tried to defeat him. The North remembers my arse
Also, if it were to come to Vale vs. what's left of the North (Petyr vs Jon) then Jon would be fucked. Not that, that is going to happen but still
Well I do believe Petyr will try to backstab Jon in someway, maybe pit Sansa against him for example.
But show is cheezy and Sansa must stay good guy ...Actually already happened. Do you recall the scene of Baelish and Sansa at the weirood and he always emphasizes 'half brother' and how he is getting the glory and not her, a trueborn child of Ned and Catelyn. He's definitely trying to plant the seeds of jealousy.That would be lovely.Yes, Cersei can make Little Finger Warden of the North but it won't mean shit. It's Houses are loyal to Jon and pretty much disregard anything that the Crownlands dictate now anyway - hence 'King in the North', which is a Declaration of Independence.
'Loyalty' seems to mean little for Northern lords according to D&D tho. In fact, the biggest houses tried to defeat him. The North remembers my arse
Also, if it were to come to Vale vs. what's left of the North (Petyr vs Jon) then Jon would be fucked. Not that, that is going to happen but still
Well I do believe Petyr will try to backstab Jon in someway, maybe pit Sansa against him for example.
Well actually we saw how Ramsay (when in the kennels) says 'I'm apart of you'. This either hints that Sansa is prego or that Sansa is now a little twisted and taken on some Ramsay traits. We sort of see this when Sansa decides to put her gaze back on Ramsay as he's eaten by his loyal hounds. It's also up to grab when Jamie is talking to Brienne at Riverrun and how he says something along the lines of 'girls like Sansa don't last long.' This might be in reference to how innocent girls don't last long, like his daughter Myrcella. Sansa would appear to no longer be innocent and is much more intriguing and a little bit cunning.SpoilerBut show is cheezy and Sansa must stay good guy ...Actually already happened. Do you recall the scene of Baelish and Sansa at the weirood and he always emphasizes 'half brother' and how he is getting the glory and not her, a trueborn child of Ned and Catelyn. He's definitely trying to plant the seeds of jealousy.That would be lovely.Yes, Cersei can make Little Finger Warden of the North but it won't mean shit. It's Houses are loyal to Jon and pretty much disregard anything that the Crownlands dictate now anyway - hence 'King in the North', which is a Declaration of Independence.
'Loyalty' seems to mean little for Northern lords according to D&D tho. In fact, the biggest houses tried to defeat him. The North remembers my arse
Also, if it were to come to Vale vs. what's left of the North (Petyr vs Jon) then Jon would be fucked. Not that, that is going to happen but still
Well I do believe Petyr will try to backstab Jon in someway, maybe pit Sansa against him for example.[close]
I wonder if they will add lady Dustin to the show, she's the only Lord in the North left alive that doesn't really respect the Starks and has one of the least untouched armies after all the war they've been through so I'm wondering how many men she will put forward for jons cause. Unless they just disregard the character completely like they seem to do with the show anyway and just pretend that House Dustin is loyal.
In reality Jon should have very few soldiers left. Let me put it in terms for you, they've lost House Bolton a house that can raise 5000 soldiers with a reasonably good battle commander Lord Roose.
They may have lost House Karstark a house that can raise 4000 soldiers along with another good battle commander Lord Karstark.
They've lost House Umber, a house with over 3000 soldiers and the formidable battle commander Great Jon Umber.
They still have the Glovers who can raise 3000 but are weakened from war against the Ironborn at Deepwood motte so they will be lucky to obtain 1000 from them and they lost Robert Glover but I guess his brother is an equal commander in his own right.
House Hornwood only gave Jon 200 at the BoB so they have a good 1500 soldiers left for his cause.
House Tallhart can give Jon 2000 men
House Manderly can give Jon 5000 with some reserves at Locke and White Harbour so +\- 2000
House Dustin can raise 2500 if they agree
House Ryswell can raise 2000
House Cerwyn can raise 1000
House Mormont can raise 1000 after only losing a few out of their 62 Household guard but have lost a good commander Maggie Mormont
House Reed can raise 2000 but they are defensive troops so I can only see a few traveling south
House Starks men are scattered but they should be able to raise 1000 plus reserves from Winterfell.
Their numbers are weak, they will have to introduce Mors Umber and gain loyalty from the Karstarks for them to have a satisfactory army plus they will have to persuade the Bolton forces to side with the Starks to actually have a decent army, the wildlings are pretty much fucked and Tormond knows nothing of Battle strategies.
I wonder if they will add lady Dustin to the show, she's the only Lord in the North left alive that doesn't really respect the Starks and has one of the least untouched armies after all the war they've been through so I'm wondering how many men she will put forward for jons cause. Unless they just disregard the character completely like they seem to do with the show anyway and just pretend that House Dustin is loyal.
In reality Jon should have very few soldiers left. Let me put it in terms for you, they've lost House Bolton a house that can raise 5000 soldiers with a reasonably good battle commander Lord Roose.
They may have lost House Karstark a house that can raise 4000 soldiers along with another good battle commander Lord Karstark.
They've lost House Umber, a house with over 3000 soldiers and the formidable battle commander Great Jon Umber.
They still have the Glovers who can raise 3000 but are weakened from war against the Ironborn at Deepwood motte so they will be lucky to obtain 1000 from them and they lost Robert Glover but I guess his brother is an equal commander in his own right.
House Hornwood only gave Jon 200 at the BoB so they have a good 1500 soldiers left for his cause.
House Tallhart can give Jon 2000 men
House Manderly can give Jon 5000 with some reserves at Locke and White Harbour so +\- 2000
House Dustin can raise 2500 if they agree
House Ryswell can raise 2000
House Cerwyn can raise 1000
House Mormont can raise 1000 after only losing a few out of their 62 Household guard but have lost a good commander Maggie Mormont
House Reed can raise 2000 but they are defensive troops so I can only see a few traveling south
House Starks men are scattered but they should be able to raise 1000 plus reserves from Winterfell.
Their numbers are weak, they will have to introduce Mors Umber and gain loyalty from the Karstarks for them to have a satisfactory army plus they will have to persuade the Bolton forces to side with the Starks to actually have a decent army, the wildlings are pretty much fucked and Tormond knows nothing of Battle strategies.
Assuming all losses from the Red Wedding have been replaced by new men. The North was and has been weak ever since that happened.
The facts/stats from the books are irrelevant.
Dumb & Dumber will shoehorn in anything necessary to get Jon into Dany's pants.
nah theres not many pyramids and not many people look at it
i would start a pyramid but i would then be a hypocrite
i would start a pyramid but i would then be a hypocrite
Ill do it
i would start a pyramid but i would then be a hypocrite
Ill do it
fuck pyramids we need a great big wall, and we're gonna make the Others pay for it.
Duuring dit vind ik niet leuk
Duuring dit vind ik niet leuk
I have opinions, too. Barely anyone listens to mine. And especially if they're in Dutch on an English forum.
Still trying to start a quote pyramid. Can we get a mute?The battle of the bastards was just an illusion. Baelish got stuck on the ice flows. Also Cersei has now converted to radical Rhoynarism and is looking to purge the seven kingdoms of infidels.
Anyway, it's been a while since I talked theory, what are the newest screwball theories circulating right now?
Yeah taking book information for show is really useless since story is so different. North in books actually still has most of the soldiers and is strong.The facts/stats from the books are irrelevant.
Dumb & Dumber will shoehorn in anything necessary to get Jon into Dany's pants.
That's true, really annoyed me when Lady Mormont stated she can raise '62' men, wtf was that about - Hopefully it just meant how many she was willing to give him. The Mormonts are indeed a 'Small House' but not that fucking small, they can raise at minimum 750-1000 men and they have the third biggest navy in the north under the Manderlys and Glovers. The Mormonts are strategically placed on Bear Island to protect against Wildlings and Ironborn invaders so their army has to be of strength to prevent Bear Island from being overrun and to protect their ports and fishermen.
Anyway, who do you think the Stormlands and the remainder of the Dragonstone forces will join? Whoever persuades them will gain a huge advantage. Personally I think Jon has the greatest chance to claim their forces because he's fighting in the honour of Ned who was friends with Robert. Stormlands Houses have huge hatred toward the Targaryens too, the Reach like the Targaryens so they will probably have some disputes, this could possibly mean that they choose to join the Crown/ Lannisters because they will directly fight them togeather on the same front idk.
anyway, what do you guys expect to happen to Jon, Danny, Tyrion, Arya, and Bran by the end of all of this?
Jon makes peace with White Walkers. Danny realizes she is being an arrogant bitch and returns to Mereen. Tyrion rules as king of Westerlands. Arya get's killed attempting to kill someone from list. Bran idk. Kingdom of Westeros is disbanded and each region is free kingdom. Oh and yes Jamie kills Cersei who wants to burn Kingslanding.anyway, what do you guys expect to happen to Jon, Danny, Tyrion, Arya, and Bran by the end of all of this?
Scenario 1: Jon consolidates North, marches south with Vale to take King's Landing. Dany fights Euron, Greyworm and Yara die in fighting, Dany takes iron throne; cersei attempts to detonate wildfire but gets dunked on by Jaime (or because of bad writing, Arya), Dany becomes queen; Jon threatens War; Littlefinger reveals Targaryen blood in Jon; Dany marries Jon, dragons kill whites, the end.
Scenario 2: Jaqen/Faceless men kill Dany and the dragons on order of the free cities, Jon inherits throne and they kill white walkers.
Pro tip: Constantly saying that the show sucks in every single one of your posts does not add to the discussion and gets rather annoyingTSM 3-1 C9
I think it's going to be more complicated than both of those scenarios to be honest. I also don't think there will be a single ruler of the Iron Throne by the end, or an Iron Throne at all, but a reunited Westeros nonetheless. I also think Jon or Dany are bound to die if not both, or alternatively Arya, but I'm sure the Lightbringer prophecy has to come true in some form. That said, I also believe that the War for the Dawn will be more peaceful than just a huge awesome cool battle, because anyone can expect that and write that themselves. I think the next two books will include a lot of change towards a less feudal Westeros, where the little man gets consistently fucked over by everything. I'm enticed to believe this because of all the visions in the books involving a fucked up Westeros/Iron Throne. Anyway, that's my loose predictions, I forgot to say them earlier.Westeros can't be united without dragons that's what the series is about, you can't control such wast land without dragons. And yeah since both Littlefinger and Vayrs (best players) are trying to destroy feudalism it might happen.
Meanwhile I am still waiting wtf the red comet is supposed to mean.It's for Azor Ahai prophecy and also means that more magic will effect world.
McPero, I don't think you know much about this series if you think the entire thing is about dragons. You also don't get what's going on if you think Littlefinger or Varys are trying to destroy feudalism. They've both breaking down the unity of Westeros to split it apart and make it weak so that it's easier to take control of. "Chaos is a ladder" is not something Littlefinger said because he's an anarchist, he said it because he does want to be king. Varys just wants a white haired king.Maybe it sounded like it's all about dragons but dragons is one thing that enabled Tarageryens to rule Westeros no-one else can without dragons, this is what I meant. It is highly possible Baelish wants to destroy feudalism because he knows blood means nothing and wants to create (capitalistic) society where people like him will rule (smartest), he can never become king of anything and he is aware of that, he could only rule Westeros indirectly.
But yeah, this series has little to do with dragons other than them being heavy symbolism and weapons for various characters.
God, that's a good laugh.
How can they destroy feudalism? How would they replace it?Faith is taking over and they can destroy nobles and give power to smallfolk.
But that doesn't end feudalism. Feudalism isn't just a political system, it's economic and even social-cultural.If you destory nobles and all people have same rights then feudalism is destroyed.
There hasn't been a single election in the storyline, other then the rather questionable Kings Moot where only nobles could claim the throne. Even the Brotherhood without Banners follow a noble picked by the authority of the king.
But that doesn't end feudalism. Feudalism isn't just a political system, it's economic and even social-cultural.If you destory nobles and all people have same rights then feudalism is destroyed.
"expensive" xDBut that doesn't end feudalism. Feudalism isn't just a political system, it's economic and even social-cultural.If you destory nobles and all people have same rights then feudalism is destroyed.
What? That's not how it works. Rights are great and all, but they don't actually mean anything in a low-tech society such as Westeros where 95% of the population either grows food or is directly involved in creating things people need to grow food. If you take away the feudalist system, it required a full-blown state to replace it. And states are expensive.
Uh, yeah, they are...?It seriously took me 10 minutes to load the thread and see this response. Can you all stop being nasty trolls
Also stop quoting that shit lags.
This is a really good read about Baelish's character: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/3fbis7/spoilers_all_petyr_baelish_is_the_tragic_hero_of/
This is a really good read about Baelish's character: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/3fbis7/spoilers_all_petyr_baelish_is_the_tragic_hero_of/
Finally something that recognises Petyr's ableness. He is by far my favourite character, both in the Series and the Books.
First thing to do when reading Game of Thrones: No good guys, no bad guys.
But they've always added new characters, but the amount of new characters this past season and their scenes are too few for comfort. We saw a little about Euron but the show's portrayal of him does so minimal justice of book Euron, they're essentially two different characters. Everyone I know who only watches the show has no idea who Euron is or why he came to take over, other than him being a Greyjoy. That's just not good enough, in my opinion, and it's pure laziness in writing--or pure fear of people not understanding it, but the whole show was a huge gamble from the start if they think with that mindset.
It reminds me of that stupid meme where there's a picture on the left and a description on the right, and below them a lower quality picture and a higher quality description, and an even lower quality picture and an even higher detailed description, only reversed. The show is looking better and better, even the dragons are starting to look decent, but the substance is REAAALLY lacking now.
tfw you don't really have a claim but the supposedly loyal lords of Dorne make you leader for murdering their liege and his successor
First thing to do when reading Game of Thrones: No good guys, no bad guys.
True for the most part but... i mean... Ramsay...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJptaHqta1QThis is fantastic
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Lannisters are getting fucked here :/
dragonscale
That extended arm out of a cell was interesting because it looked like someone had either some serious burns, dragonscale, or a plague victim. It's really the only part I can't put a finger on, and also, seems dumb to me that the Unsullied would use spears for close quarters combat, they've obviously not played a Total War game to know swords are better in close combatGrey scale, pretty sure its Mormont
In other news. Gendry is still rowing.LOL
I rather have them skipping storylines than adding terrible ones in. (Martell storyline)
I mean, it could've worked with the Dornish masterplan, but it went wrong the moment those daughters of Oberyn showed up and spoke a word.
In other news. Gendry is still rowing.
It didn't really have the stoney look as before and it looked burn so I just called it dragonscale. Seemed right at the time, lol. Either way, I guess Jorah is pretty much near the end until he's magically saved because they don't kill liked charactersPretty sure Jorah will take a part of Victarion's story line in the book and get the Moqorro treatment.
I rather have them skipping storylines than adding terrible ones in. (Martell storyline)
I mean, it could've worked with the Dornish masterplan, but it went wrong the moment those daughters of Oberyn showed up and spoke a word.
But what if... they took out some Arya scenes... and added the actual Dornish plotline. :oIn other news. Gendry is still rowing.
Legends say he's still in Blackwater Bay, or maybe all the way in Asshai at this point.
think it is four rather than five. i think the blackfyre rebellions would make a good series, though i doubt that they would be able to cover all five of the rebellions; if that were to be the case i would prefer to see the first rebellion or the last, also known as the war of the ninepenny kings.
SNAPE KILLS DAENERYSSpoiler that shit
It had been confirmed that HBO is going to make series about stuff prior to what's happening in Game of Thrones, right?four of them
Already confirmed they wont cover Robert's rebellion interestingly.Big grr martin said by the time hes finished we will know everything about roberts rebellion so it wouldnt be that interesting to watch. Im hoping that we will get to see the battle of the trident in a flashback would be nice to see robert using his warhammer
Already confirmed they wont cover Robert's rebellion interestingly.
Pure gold. Probably got the larger numbers from the books though....Yeah, I figured as much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHedxSwJWr4
Actor =/= Character
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Hyped for tonight
Game of Thrones peaked around season 3/4 for me and has been getting worse ever since-it's still an amazing show and I enjoy watching it but it's just not as good as it used to be. Whole thing started to feel rushed during season 6 too and I fear it will be like that x10 for seasons 7 and 8 considering D&D are bored and want to move on to other things (nothing stopping them from handing over to someone else of course, so I don't understand why they're hanging on).
Just lots of silly decisions being made ever since they ran out of original source material (I mean wtf was that Smalljon Umber character arc last season lol) and the story just isn't as clever or surprising to me as a viewer.
Game of Thrones peaked around season 3/4 for me and has been getting worse ever since-it's still an amazing show and I enjoy watching it but it's just not as good as it used to be. Whole thing started to feel rushed during season 6 too and I fear it will be like that x10 for seasons 7 and 8 considering D&D are bored and want to move on to other things (nothing stopping them from handing over to someone else of course, so I don't understand why they're hanging on).
Just lots of silly decisions being made ever since they ran out of original source material (I mean wtf was that Smalljon Umber character arc last season lol) and the story just isn't as clever or surprising to me as a viewer.
SpoilerIf Dragonstone was abandoned why the fuck didn't the Lannisters just go take it? Autism..[close]
SpoilerIf Dragonstone was abandoned why the fuck didn't the Lannisters just go take it? Autism..[close]SpoilerYeah, I was expecting the Ironborn at least to place men on it. Kind of dissapointed they didn't. Edit: I dont think the Lannisters had a fleet after the battle of the Blackwater.[close]
SpoilerIf Dragonstone was abandoned why the fuck didn't the Lannisters just go take it? Autism..[close]SpoilerYeah, I was expecting the Ironborn at least to place men on it. Kind of dissapointed they didn't. Edit: I dont think the Lannisters had a fleet after the battle of the Blackwater.[close]SpoilerI wanted Euron to already be there and just be like sup bitch when Dany opened the door,
Also wtf ed sheeren.[close]
Spoilernah itll be jaime[close]
SpoilerCant wait for the Jon and Sansa sex scene. :-*[close]SpoilerI think they overdid the poop scene. Or maybe not. I actually felt pretty disgusted. How did Mr. Heartbreak land in the Citadel?[close]
SpoilerI really hope Arya doesn't manage to kill Cersei that would be so fucking lame..[close]
SpoilerCant wait for the Jon and Sansa sex scene. :-*[close]SpoilerI think they overdid the poop scene. Or maybe not. I actually felt pretty disgusted. How did Mr. Heartbreak land in the Citadel?[close]Spoilerme during the episode:
when jon realizes he's a targ and its a family tradition he's gonna be all over sansa[close]
SpoilerI really hope Arya doesn't manage to kill Cersei that would be so fucking lame..[close]SpoilerI feel like she could do it, but since she already told us she is going to try...it probably won't happen lol[close]
SpoilerCant wait for the Jon and Sansa sex scene. :-*[close]SpoilerI think they overdid the poop scene. Or maybe not. I actually felt pretty disgusted. How did Mr. Heartbreak land in the Citadel?[close]Spoilerme during the episode:
when jon realizes he's a targ and its a family tradition he's gonna be all over sansa[close]SpoilerUh. What? If R+L=J, Sansa and Jon are cousins, and she's not a Targ, that whole logic makes no sense. It has to assume they already wanted to bang. It'll be Jon and Danny and it'll be suuuuppeerrrr forced. We already found out via Samwell that there's, for some fucking reason, a stockpile of dragonglass on Dragonstone. Really, it doesn't make sense why, at least the way they framed it. Why, though, Jon will be the one who ends up sailing to Dragonstone, which is a contested area already between Danny's fleet and Euron's Iron Fleet (speaking of fucking which, isn't Euron and his ships trapped in the Blackwater Bay between King's Landing and Danny's fleet, which is probably already blockading the Blackwater Bay entrance? Better be a naval battle next episode. That said, I don't know why that needs to happen. Guess battles are the only things to keep people like me really interested in a show that's so derailed anymore.
Anyway, for some fucking reason, the King of the North is going to be the one who goes to Dragonstone to check out the dragonglass that may or may not even be there, and he's just going to trust Aegon the Conqueror with Teets. Btw, where exactly are the Dothraki? Are they already invading somewhere?
I'm guessing Cersei's whole "I can get a better offer" tactic is going to bite her in the ass if Euron sails away and ends up losing tons of his ships and men in battle. The Iron Fleet is probably way more battle-ready, but Danny's fleet does have a ton of Iron ships, too, and it's way larger.[close]SpoilerI really hope Arya doesn't manage to kill Cersei that would be so fucking lame..[close]SpoilerI feel like she could do it, but since she already told us she is going to try...it probably won't happen lol[close]SpoilerArya won't do it, she's too busy getting slayed by cute boiz teehee xd[close]SpoilerI kind of do like Sandor turning to the Lord of Light. It sort of connects to Gregor burning his face in fire as a kid, his fear and running from fire his whole life, and his detachment to the Seven because they've never really been there for him ever. But, R'hllor has, and R'hllor has a mission for him.[close]Spoiler...plus this episode kind of reveals the whole R'hllor vs. Great Other, Battle of the Lovecraftian Gods thing going on, that a pocket of ASoIaF fans have been obsessed with, myself included. Sure, the battle for the Iron Throne is truly meaningless if it means the realms will be weak for an Other invasion, but if mankind, the Others, the Dragons, and everything else, are just pawns of two Lovecraftian entities that have been battling each other for thousands and thousands of years, then nothing really matters compared to that. Jon, Danny, Littlefinger, Cersei, Sansa, Sandor, Arya, Olenna, Elia, they're all just meaningless pawns.[close]SpoilerThe theory goes way deeper but I'm assuming no one read this far/fewer care to hear it. I'll explain it a bit if anyone asks though.[close]
do explain further pleaseSpoilerCant wait for the Jon and Sansa sex scene. :-*[close]SpoilerI think they overdid the poop scene. Or maybe not. I actually felt pretty disgusted. How did Mr. Heartbreak land in the Citadel?[close]Spoilerme during the episode:
when jon realizes he's a targ and its a family tradition he's gonna be all over sansa[close]SpoilerUh. What? If R+L=J, Sansa and Jon are cousins, and she's not a Targ, that whole logic makes no sense. It has to assume they already wanted to bang. It'll be Jon and Danny and it'll be suuuuppeerrrr forced. We already found out via Samwell that there's, for some fucking reason, a stockpile of dragonglass on Dragonstone. Really, it doesn't make sense why, at least the way they framed it. Why, though, Jon will be the one who ends up sailing to Dragonstone, which is a contested area already between Danny's fleet and Euron's Iron Fleet (speaking of fucking which, isn't Euron and his ships trapped in the Blackwater Bay between King's Landing and Danny's fleet, which is probably already blockading the Blackwater Bay entrance? Better be a naval battle next episode. That said, I don't know why that needs to happen. Guess battles are the only things to keep people like me really interested in a show that's so derailed anymore.
Anyway, for some fucking reason, the King of the North is going to be the one who goes to Dragonstone to check out the dragonglass that may or may not even be there, and he's just going to trust Aegon the Conqueror with Teets. Btw, where exactly are the Dothraki? Are they already invading somewhere?
I'm guessing Cersei's whole "I can get a better offer" tactic is going to bite her in the ass if Euron sails away and ends up losing tons of his ships and men in battle. The Iron Fleet is probably way more battle-ready, but Danny's fleet does have a ton of Iron ships, too, and it's way larger.[close]SpoilerI really hope Arya doesn't manage to kill Cersei that would be so fucking lame..[close]SpoilerI feel like she could do it, but since she already told us she is going to try...it probably won't happen lol[close]SpoilerArya won't do it, she's too busy getting slayed by cute boiz teehee xd[close]SpoilerI kind of do like Sandor turning to the Lord of Light. It sort of connects to Gregor burning his face in fire as a kid, his fear and running from fire his whole life, and his detachment to the Seven because they've never really been there for him ever. But, R'hllor has, and R'hllor has a mission for him.[close]Spoiler...plus this episode kind of reveals the whole R'hllor vs. Great Other, Battle of the Lovecraftian Gods thing going on, that a pocket of ASoIaF fans have been obsessed with, myself included. Sure, the battle for the Iron Throne is truly meaningless if it means the realms will be weak for an Other invasion, but if mankind, the Others, the Dragons, and everything else, are just pawns of two Lovecraftian entities that have been battling each other for thousands and thousands of years, then nothing really matters compared to that. Jon, Danny, Littlefinger, Cersei, Sansa, Sandor, Arya, Olenna, Elia, they're all just meaningless pawns.[close]SpoilerThe theory goes way deeper but I'm assuming no one read this far/fewer care to hear it. I'll explain it a bit if anyone asks though.[close]
Oh god I didn't think people would actually want to hear it. It's actually so fucking much to go into lol. Buckle up if you're going to dive in. The theory, potential book/universe spoilers:that's an incredibly vivid theory, bloody hell audiateSpoilerSo the theory doesn't really have any singular floor, just a lot of bridges that can almost form one. And that alone is a support to the theory, because if it was true, it's something GRRM wouldn't write in directly as it's something the in-world characters couldn't see or comprehend.
To start off, there's several locations in A World of Ice and Fire that are directly inspired by Lovecraftian lore. These include Carcosa, K'Dath, and Leng, all direct names from Lovecraft's work. Additionally, a super key location is Stygai, a corpse city further in the Ashlands of Asshai (which is also connected to this theory), which is extremely likely to be a reference to Stygia, a city from Robert E. Howard's Conan the Barbarian, which is heavily related to shadows. Robert E. Howard was also a friend of H.P. Lovecraft, which is a minor connection, but fairly significant.
The second most obvious connection, which people have connected to Lovecraft since Book 1, is the Ironborn and the Drowned God. The Drowned God is almost explicitly referencing the most iconic character of the Lovecraftian universe: Cthulhu. However, there's a key bit of information about the Ironborn that is far more important to this theory. The Seastone Chair is the throne from which the Iron Islands was ruled, and the Iron Fleet obey whoever sits upon it (whoever is King, really). It's clearly a very symbolic thing, but it's what it's made out of that's important. The Seastone Chair is made of a mysterious, oily black stone, that happens to show up a lot in ASoIaF. In fact, it shows up all over the world.
In Northern Sothoryos, further inland than the abandoned city of Zamettar, is the abandoned city of Yeen. Nymeria took her Rhoynish refugees across the Summer Sea, looking to colonize any land that would allow them, but only disaster met them at Sothoryos. While Zamettar was the main city in Sothoryos that the Rhoynar attempted to rebuild, Nymeria sent several men to Yeen looking to colonize it. However, not much long later, it was apparent that Sothoryos's jungle climate, filled with dangerous predators, parasites, and pathogens, weren't worth sticking around for. The Zamettar settlers sailed up the delta towards Yeen to deliver the news that they were leaving, but when they arrived, Yeen was abandoned. There were no signs of struggle or conflict, things were abandoned where they were, but all life was gone. The jungle was growing inwards on the city, but refused to touch its foundation or buildings, which were made of oily, black stone.
Just north of Sothoyros, in the Basilisk Isles, is the Isle of Toads. The Isle, inhabited by people with webbed appendages who resemble fish, is home to a massive idol of a Toad, made of the same oily, black stone. In the northeast-most explored lands of the known world, are the Thousand Islands, a massive archipelago, where many things seem alien to what we see in Westeros. While not exactly fish like, the inhabitants of these islands are hairless, green-skinned xenophobes, who file their teeth into sharp points and have allegedly sacrificed sailors to their fish-headed gods. Under the water, the likenesses of these gods can be made out, carved into the rocks beneath the waves. However, interestingly, these people have an extreme phobia of water, and even with the threat of being killed, will never step into the water. From the wiki, "Some believe they are the remnants of a drowned kingdom whose buildings were submerged by the rising sea thousands of years ago."
South of these islands are the lands of the Jogos N'hai and, further south, Yi Ti. It is said that the Great Empire of the Dawn made up these two lands, and more, and was led by the God-on-Earth, the only son of the Maiden-Made-of-Light, a deity celebrated for life and happiness, and the Lion of Night, a god feared for death and destruction. The lineage of this empire is recorded to be small and direct, with one emperor to succeed after the last, each empire ruling for fewer years than the previous. It's said that the God-on-Earth ruled for 10,000 years. However, this empire ended with the Bloodstone Emperor, who killed his sister and usurped the throne. This emperor worshiped a black stone that had fallen from the sky, and was said to have started the Long Night. Things falling from the sky and being worshiped are heavily based on Lovecraftian lore, and this is a fairly significant association between the Long Night and the Black Stone, which I'll get back to later.
The black stone continues to pop up in a few more significant places. In Yi Ti, on the northeastern border, sits five massive towers of black stone, each seemingly impossible to man, as a single tower could hold about ten thousand men. Though not necessarily connected to this theory per se, in Westeros, a massive, ruined curtain wall made of black basalt is located in the Neck, the marshy border between The North and the rest of Westeros.
Finally, a very key part in this theory, is the Battle Isle. In Oldtown, beneath the Hightower (the massive tower you can see in Episode 1 of Season 7), is the Battle Isle, a massive structure of slick, black stone. I can not explain it better than I could paraphrase it from the wiki: "[It is] a square, labrynthine fortress of fused black stone. Its appearance is reminiscent of the dragonroads of the Valyrian Freehold and the Black Walls of Volantis [...] but there is no archaeological evidence of Valyrians at Oldtown. [...] The fortress is plain and unadorned, unlike the fused stone constructions of the Valyrians, who twisted and shaped the fused stone to ornament their buildings.
Archmaester Quillion suggests a connection between the fortress and the mazemakers of Lorath. The legends of Lorath claim the mazemakers were destroyed by something from the sea. Maester Theron, a bastard of Ironborn ancestry, suggests in his Strange Stone that there is a connection between the Hightower's base and the Seastone Chair, and that they were created by the Deep Ones, a legendary race created by the breeding of sea creatures with humans and which may have inspired the legends of merlings."
This is particularly crucial evidence, as it kind of blows the doors on the theory wide open. Deep Ones are a very direct reference to Lovecraft's mythology. Let's take a quick look at a chapter from A Feast for Crows, in which Brienne of Tarth is visiting Crackclaw Point. Dick Crabb, a former soldier (and potential descendant of House Crabb, previous owners of The Whispers, which is a sinister castle with a sinister history located on Crackclaw Point), warns the two about Squishers. From the wiki, again paraphrased: "From a distance squishers appear human, but according to legend their heads are larger than those of men and they have scales instead of hair. They have webbing between their fingers and toes, while their mouths have rows of green, needle-like teeth. A squisher's belly is white like that of a fish. Their name comes from the squish-squish sound made when they move on their webbed feet.
The First Men are said to have killed all of the squishers, but some residents of Crackclaw claim still squishers come by night to steal bad children, saving girls to breed with and boys to eat.
Some or all members of House Borrell (of Sweetsister, one of three "sister" islands located between the Vale and the North) have webbed hands and toes similar to the feet of ducks, which they call the 'mark.' It is unknown if this is a genetic disorder or if they have a connection with squishers.
It is likely the stories of Squishers are related to the Deep Ones."
Now things are falling a bit into place, right? Across the world, scattered about, are races that resemble both fish and man, and an oily black stone, too, is all over, sticking to primarily coastal regions. So, what does this mean? Well, it can be inferred that when looking at the regions the black stone and squishers or fish-like peoples appear, all of it seems to show up around water, or at least, not far from it. Crucially, it appears in places like Yeen, and Asshai, and Battle Isle. But these places are extremely far apart, so how exactly are they to be connected? No known empire has possessed lands from different continents, not even the Valyrian Freehold, as far as we know (excluding Dragonstone, which was barely in Westeros). So, are they different societies who happened to build with the same materials, or, were they built by a society or societies that live primarily underwater? Let's take a quick look at one of those places: Asshai.
Allegedly, Asshai's great walls could allegedly fit Volantis, Qarth, King's Landing, and Oldtown combined. That's several, several million people. By the time of AGoT, the city is barely populated compared to the size of it, and is only really home to people looking to make use of its magical capabilities. That's right, the city is particularly magical. In ASoIaF, there is apparently PLENTY of magic that has simply left the world since the fall of the Valyrian Freehold. Melissandre talks about this while at Castle Black; she can feel more magical potency from Beyond the Wall, just like she can feel more of it in other specific places of the world, too. But what could be the source of this magical strength in either of these places? Well, Beyond the Wall is going to have to be explained in a second, but I have a hypothesis of my own about Asshai. Stygai, I believe, is the R'lyeh of Planetos. In Lovecraft's Mythos, R'lyeh is the subterranean prison of Cthulhu located in the South Pacific. And this brings us to the first side of the battle: the Drowned God. Whether this unnamed, unseen, unconfirmed deity is particularly Cthulhu-like, the connection between Asshai and the "squishers" is amplified when taking Stygai into account. Stygai is a place not even the bravest of Asshai mages go--and Asshai is a place few people can survive to begin with, with its poisonous water, lack of healthy food supply, and constant shadow. Asshai, or Stygai, exudes corruption, but also magic. Often sinister magic, but magic nonetheless. And I believe that Stygai is the home of the Drowned God, who had sent his squishers across Planetos to build and conquer.
So, what happened to them? Well, like the Roman Empire, like Napoleonic France, like the Third Reich, like the USSR, things are bound to fail with enough resistance against them. Simply put, something came to put them in their place. And my bet on that, is man. Ghiscar, Rhoyne, the First Men of Westeros, the Yi Ti (as we now know them), the Andals (pre-invasion), the Hyrkooni, the Qartheen, some of these people began to appear at some point between the Dawn and the Long Night, and pretty quickly began to expand across land and sea. It was these men who likely fought off the Drowned God's people, but they had an open weakness to exploit. They were greatly disorganized, with petty kings in charge at best in places like Westeros and Northern Essos, and the Drowned God, as we'll continue to call him, wanted to exploit that, to beat his opponent. This option would become available when a few Children of the Forest would stumble across him.
In a recent Bran chapter (don't want to bother digging it up), Bran has a vision of him flying above the world. He sees many things, and travels in a relatively linear line. Going from west to east, he eventually reaches Asshai, but keeps going, and finds himself back at the wall. So yes, he's Christopher Columbus. Not only is this important in terms of Planetos being round, but it could mean that if you were to travel north, east, or northeast from Asshai, you'll eventually reach the wall. So, in a theory that can be related to this one, the Children of the Forest that would continue north in hopes of escaping the First Men when things looked their most dire could have stumbled upon Asshai, or more specifically, Stygai. Ever wonder why the White Walkers are called the "Others" in the books? Well, one possibility, is that they're the "other" Children of the Forest, who were transformed into very powerful ice-like, demon-like beings, capable of raising the dead of those who they kill to fight for them. Remember what I said about North of the Wall being particularly magical? Well, that's because it's closer to Asshai than we would think.
I know this is a lot already, like, way more than most people are going to want to read, but in sake of ease over speed to read, I'll roughly explain the area around this mysterious land between Asshai and the North. Blocked to the west by the Five Forts is the Grey Wastes, the Cannibal Sands, Land of the Shrykes, City of the Winged Men, Cities of the Bloodless Men, the City of Bonetown, and the Cities of K'Dath and Carcosa, both direct Lovecraftian references, as mentioned way, way back in this post.
One of these locations is particularly important, and now that some other things have been explained, it should be easier to put this into context. Carcosa is currently home to The Yellow Emperor--a claimant to the Yi Ti empire, who is a reference to Robert W. Chambers' The King in Yellow, which is very Lovecraftian in nature. Though not truly important to much, it's interesting to know that this exiled claimant fled to Carcosa, and that he is magically adept. Is he simply trying to make use of the magical power between Asshai and the North (if the theory holds up), or is he trying to make a deal with the unknown, as the Bloodstone Emperor may have?
Getting back on topic, the Drowned God made a pact with these "other" CotF. They would gain extreme powers that would threaten the world and surely allow them to dominate it, running out mankind, and the Drowned God would be winning. But what does the Drowned God get? He would be beating the Lord of Light, R'hllor. Hell, so that's why R'hllor sounds so damn Lovecraftian!
Note, that it's believed the Bloodstone Emperor was the one who ushered in the Long Night, so it's likely his rule and the pact between the Others and the Drowned God happened around the same time--that's not that important, but just so things are in perspective. R'hllor, possibly the Hastur the Unspeakable of this universe (though I don't fully understand the Hastur/Cthulhu dynamic other than they're brothers and don't get along), then fought back with Azor Ahai. Why, though, Azor Ahai is regarded as an Asshai'i, is unsure--but it should be noted that many cultures had their own Azor Ahai name, like Hyrkoon the Hero, Yin Tar, Neferion, and Eldric Shadowchaser. Melisandre, however, is another character in service to the Lord of Light who hails from Asshai. It's certainly possible that it's R'hllor in Stygai instead, and the Drowned God is underwater, but that doesn't line up so well with the rest of the theory. It's equally possible that the Asshai of later days were decent, light-loving people. On the flipside, the Ironborn worship the Drowned God, who would be the enemy they're meant to fight, if they are servants to R'hllor.
R'hllor wouldn't be able to hold this victory for long, however. His "servants," though seemingly indirect ones (though Lovecraftian Old Ones are known to be passive, subtle controllers and guiders), erected the Wall, similar to the Five Forts in Yi Ti, who may have served a similar function at some point far before. I would say it wasn't until the rise of the Valyrian Freehold that R'hllor pulled out ahead in the fight for the world. Think about it: no recorded "evils" between the Long Night ending and the collapse of the Valyrian Freehold, and more specifically, the death of the Targaryen dragons in Westeros, and even more specifically, the end of the Targaryen lineage.
It's probably important to know that in a recent interview about Beric Dondarrion in the future of the books, GRRM essentially said Beric is the light-version of the wights, the zombies the Others control. Like Jon, he has been revived, many times in fact, believed to be for a specific purpose. It's clear, however, that this version of a wight is far more conscious than its colder counterpart, as it retains more thought and personality, with only a "little piece" being taken away each time. There's many possibilities as to why the Other's wights are so much more unhuman, both in strengths and in personality, but my guess is that it's two takes on control. The Drowned God prefers outright domination of an individual and thus strips them of all individuality, personality, and weakness. R'hllor, however, prefers a subtler approach, wanting skill, tactic, and calculation in its subjects rather than a zerg horde. Alternatively, R'hllor could just be weaker at the moment, and reviving specific people is the best it can muster--which makes sense, if darkness is currently prevailing over light. "Why didn't R'hllor choose to resurrect Stannis, then?" - Well, that should be obvious, shouldn't it? Stannis wasn't really getting anywhere, he actually had to rely on other people on a lot of things. However, Stannis did something extremely important for R'hllor: he got Melissandre, a powerful sorceress with an affinity for the light, to meet Jon Snow, and in the show, and most likely the books, she will be needed to resurrect him. I'm sure I don't have to explain the "Jon Snow is the Prince Who Was Promised, otherwise known as Azor Ahai come again" theory to those who actually read all this.
I think I've got most of the theory out, and this is probably the farthest and most in-depth I've explained it. I've heard that a lot of people have had similar theories about this, but I haven't heard anything to the scale or measure as this, and there's a lot of things missing from those versions of the theory than what I put here. I wanted to put this into the form of a video a while back, so it'd be easier to explain this theory/put it out there for more people to hear, but it's so much stuff to make sure I include, lol. Hopefully if I do ever do it, I can refer back to this post. Thanks if you read this far, sorry if I made any weird spelling/grammar/formatting mistakes, I rushed this. :-)[close]
Spoilero no the sand snakes died. Such tragic so sad
Out of all the battles, that was the worst one imo[close]
Spoilerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uo7dwbteFE
"We have it on Dragonstone"
... No follow up[close]
Spoiler[insert victorious euron returning with his 'prize'] [insert torture scene with Ellaria Sand, the mountain and cersei laughing as she watches][close]
SpoilerDon't know where this "Night King will take over a dragon" theory came from. In the books, a wolf sees what seems to be an ice dragon emerge out of Winterfell after it was sacked, and Winterfell was built on hot springs, so it's assumed that a dragon was nesting under there, in the hot springs, for who knows how long, and that dragon could end up serving the Night King, because in a couple works of art used for GoT related products there's a three-headed dragon and a one headed dragon flying towards it from the opposite direction.
Maybe the Night King could resurrect a dead dragon as a thrall, but that kinda goes directly against the fire vs. ice rules, and though it's something I could totally expect happening in the show because of its quick and lazy writing, I don't think GRRM would do something like that.[close]
SpoilerDon't know where this "Night King will take over a dragon" theory came from. In the books, a wolf sees what seems to be an ice dragon emerge out of Winterfell after it was sacked, and Winterfell was built on hot springs, so it's assumed that a dragon was nesting under there, in the hot springs, for who knows how long, and that dragon could end up serving the Night King, because in a couple works of art used for GoT related products there's a three-headed dragon and a one headed dragon flying towards it from the opposite direction.
Maybe the Night King could resurrect a dead dragon as a thrall, but that kinda goes directly against the fire vs. ice rules, and though it's something I could totally expect happening in the show because of its quick and lazy writing, I don't think GRRM would do something like that.[close]SpoilerAfter seeing the White-Giants it wouldn't surprise me to see the NK possess a dragon[close]
SpoilerIs Bran was smart enough to build a wall[close]
Spoilerso can Eurons fleet teleport or something? He is literally always exactly where he needs to be at just the right time lol[close]
what do you know, I'm Nostradamus.Spoiler[insert victorious euron returning with his 'prize'] [insert torture scene with Ellaria Sand, the mountain and cersei laughing as she watches][close]
AmenSpoilerDaenerys is such an arrogant bitch..[close]
SpoilerDany hasn't lost... not by a long shot. She still has all of her dothraki (which is what? Tens of thousands? The Lannisters don't have that kind of army any more. She also still has dragons. With her dothraki she can easily defeat any army in open battle. And she has her dragons to support in a siege. ALso, don't forget that Dorne still excists. Dorne still has a ruler and is still the most powerful nation in Westeros. JUst because the Sand Snake and that Basterd are gone, doesn't mean they stopped hating cersei all of the sudden. Cersei will outplay her hand with Euron, who will turn against her and get mauled by the Dotkraki.
All this time Jon will just be doing his thing and possibly already fihting small pockets of Wights and preparing for the long winter.
Not to mention we have to pretty much wait for the return of the one TRUE king, Stannis Baratheon.
Resume: of the Seven Kingdoms: only the following are left with anything meaningful:
- The North (though weakened by the War of the Five Kings)
- The Vale (literally unscarred, the losses in just one battle are meaningless, espeically the few they have lost)
- The Westerlands (Heavily scarred, even more so than the North, though with the power of that sick fuck maester and Cersei who's willing to do anything)
- Dorne (at full strength, just without a clear leader)
- Dragonstone with Dragons and Dany. (who has no lands, and no ships basically)
Looking at this, Cersei's fucked. And relatively, the North and Vale alliance seems to be the strongest in the game.[close]
SpoilerLittlefinger will do anything for Sansa... All it takes is giving a massive BJ to Petyr and fuckign him every now and again.
Seems like a minjor sacrifice for the good it will do the North. Or Sansa marries him and exposes him, causing him to be exioled from the Vale and Sansa becoming Warden of the Vale.[close]
Spoileranybody else disappointed by the representations of casterly rock and highgarden?[close]
Spoileranybody else disappointed by the representations of casterly rock and highgarden?[close]SpoilerYeah[close]
SpoilerEuron will probably proudly and nobly ride a horse that spawned form thin air into King's Landing, even though that's not really an Ironborn thing to do, pulling the Dornish girls by chains, to show off how he did it all by himself, or something stupid like that.[close]
SpoilerMaybe Euron split his fleet to defend Casterly Rock before the battle in the last episode?
(I guess that would be an explenations if you don't want to belive in the teleport theory was just thinking that because we never saw Euron during the battle.)[close]
SpoilerEuron will probably proudly and nobly ride a horse that spawned form thin air into King's Landing, even though that's not really an Ironborn thing to do, pulling the Dornish girls by chains, to show off how he did it all by himself, or something stupid like that.[close]
WOW WOULD YA FUCKIN LOOK AT THAT I WAS 100% RIGHT LOL
SpoilerMaybe Euron split his fleet to defend Casterly Rock before the battle in the last episode?
(I guess that would be an explenations if you don't want to belive in the teleport theory was just thinking that because we never saw Euron during the battle.)[close]
SpoilerWhen did Bran become such a creep though[close]
SpoilerMore than just a creep. Let's just mention your sister looked pretty when she was raped. if his storyline doesn't get realy fucking interesting really fast, he's going straight to my 'I-don't-care-if-you-die-horribly'-list[close]
SpoilerWhy are Randyll Tarly and Qyburn on your list? I think they're both quite interesting men. Especially Randyll, with his history. I like the actor who plays him aswell. I am also fairly sure that in the reach most people support the crown over their liege lord, so in this case calling him a traitor seems to be wrong. Besides, Randyll hates the Dothraki (for good reason, given that they are known for burning villages and fighting like savages) and everything else that's foreign, so it makes sense for him to fight for the Lannisters.
Dany is becoming more annoying by the episode. Her arrogance + all her problems getting solved by her dragons are really making her a boring character. (Her dragons got her the Unsullied army, her Dragons ended the siege of Mereen and now I am fairly sure her Dragons will burn the Lannister+Tarly army)
Despite everything she went through I never felt like she wouldn't achieve her goals. Even now that her allies got wiped out with ease, I still feel like there is no way she can lose this war as long as she has those dragons. Really, at this point the dragons make the war that's going on quite boring, well, predictable rather. I don't feel like Qyburn's weapons will be able to deal with the dragons. I mean, I find it hard to imagine those ballistas finding their targets during the chaos of battle, especially now that it is likely the battle will be while the Lannisters are on the march.
My favourite characters at this point are probably Jaime and Sandor Clegane. Just the way they have developped since season 1 makes them interesting. My favourite character used to be Stannis, before D&D butchered him.[close]
Put it in spoilers to be safe!1
SpoilerStannis ain't coming back, D&D didn't like him as a character and he got the least amount of screen time vs the other 'main' characters. Makes no sense for them to revive him.[close]
SpoilerMore than just a creep. Let's just mention your sister looked pretty when she was raped. if his storyline doesn't get realy fucking interesting really fast, he's going straight to my 'I-don't-care-if-you-die-horribly'-list[close]
SpoilerStannis ain't dead. It just seems that way[close]
SpoilerIf anything Stannis will return and take the black. And then he is insta-Lord-Commander. Of all people Stannis would see that persuing the throne is meaningless and give himself to the only cause that matters.[close]
SpoilerStannis ain't coming back, D&D didn't like him as a character and he got the least amount of screen time vs the other 'main' characters. Makes no sense for them to revive him.[close]SpoilerStephen Dillane didn't even like playing him. There's not a chance he'll return.[close]
I think very few people actually had Ramsay as their favourite character.
SpoilerI'm not just going off the series in my hopes for Stannis... if I recall correctly, it is completely vague in the books if he survived the Battle of the Basterds[close]
No, book Ramsay isn't playing the game, he's actually just a psychotic murderer and torturer, there's a huge difference. Show Ramsay is a bit more reasonable (as in he has more reason for his terror), but he's still intentionally psychotic, and people who relate with him are possibly justifiably psychotic. Theon Greyjoy isn't the original Reek, Ramsay named him that because his last Reek, a guy named Heke, died about a year earlier. The two would hunt and rape and kill peasant girls, Reek having the "leftovers" so to speak of the corpses. Ramsay is also believed to have killed his older step-brother, who was legitimate, not because he could get the Dreadfort, but because he hated his brother seemingly out of unreasonable hate and envy. He forcibly married an old widow and refused to feed her, locking her in a tower until she was found dead with a blood-covered mouth and her fingers chewed off. Back to the peasant girls, if he did not enjoy hunting them, he would rape and then flay them alive. To the girls he enjoyed hunting, he would rape, kill swiftly after (so merciful!), flay, name one of his feral dogs after her, and keep their skin as trophies. The bodies of all of them were fed to the dogs. He's also obsessed with blood, having a drop of blood-shaped earring, naming his horse Blood, and wearing a red helm and gorget that resembles "a skinless and bloody man whose mouth is open in a silent scream."
He's not cool, he's not badass, he's a murderous psychopath and doesn't have even a drop of charm like Patrick Bateman. He's not a character anyone is intended to like. Is his design interesting? Absolutely. But don't honor characters like that, because they're meant to represent people, and you should never honor people like that.
I forgot to mention his looks, which are very different. From the wiki:
"Ramsay is an ugly young man, even when dressed finely. He is big boned and slope shouldered, with a fleshiness indicating he will be fat later in life. Ramsay's skin is pink and blotchy, his nose broad, his hair long and dark and dry. Although his mouth is small, Ramsay's lips are wide and meaty, wormy looking, and he smiles a wet-lipped smile. His distinctive eyes resemble Roose's - small, close-set, and oddly pale, like two chips of dirty ice."
Google "ramsay snow book" to see some artists' interpretations of him. It's all so incredibly different than the show Ramsay, who was likely picked for the role because he wasn't ugly and could read lines in a sinister way. Classic Hollywood, casting people who don't resemble their characters at all because sex (appeal) and smiles sells.
@Olaf Read away if you feel like it. This point onward you can read every book currently out and there will likely be no spoilers for the following seasons, since they altered them so much. You'll see what I mean if you do read them. As for the upcoming books, the next one is going to likely share some similarities with the next season but be overall very different, while the following and last book will likely be out in several years if ol' George makes it that far, Deus Vult, which will probably be after the show ends.
Unrelated: I got A World of Ice and Fire for Christmas, and I've been reading short chunks every day or other day. The story of the Rhoynish Princes vs. Valyria and Princess Nymeria could totally make for a great movie. I'm sure HBO will keep the GoT train rolling after the main series is over, and I really hope that's one of the things they do, maybe as a mini series if need be. I can imagine them keeping the story exactly as it's told, with all the crazy magic shit that might not have really happened, and end it with a Princess Bride esque ending, where a Maester or nan or whomever finishes reading the book to some Westerosi noble kid (Old Nan and Bran would be iconic for HBO fans). That way they can barely tie it to GoT and focus on a good story, and still bridge the connection at the end to make sense of the questionable points of the story, like the magic/curses and the amount of ships Nymeria had.
SpoilerDon't forget the North is somewhat used to the idea of white walkers. They were raised with the story of the Long Winter and if I recall correctly, the Northern kings always helped the Wall against the Wights... And a stark built the wall, so there's that.[close]
Well, apparently Episode 4 has leaked early...Yea..I watched it..needless to say if that's the real episode coming out on Sunday..it's gonna be good
My thoughts on this season so far(https://i.imgur.com/MMFfjAY.jpg)[close]
Spoilertargaryen air supremacy op[close]
Spoilertargaryen air supremacy op[close]Spoilersomething that actually bothered me was how bronn was just able to fire the scorpion all all the dothraki in background gave zero fucks[close]
SpoilerLooking at the preview it seems Daenarys is becoming as mad as her dad.[close]
LEAKED EPISODE SPOILERSAm I the only one who's dissappointed about the "final" battle between Daenerys's and the Lannister army?
You can't tell me that there was no reconnaissance to actually spot thousands of riders and a fcking dragon, especially not in the "well organized" Lannister army. So there shouldn't have been any suprise?![close]
SpoilerBut why should he die? What advancement in the story does that bring? The only thing I can think of is if he kills the ice dragon, if it actually exists, and dies in the process, but then the other two have to also die for that to matter at all. Ice AND Fire is kind of a neutralizing thing.[close]
(...) and that will be his weak point which will be expertly shot at by some skilled marksmen in a feat of accuracy only the writers pen could make happen.
Spoileryeah, I am curious to see if Drogon will be okay. Also, is Jaime captured now? I mean his army is basically dead or in retreat and he is just falling in the water...so will he just die or be captured?
and who was the one who pushed Jaime off the horse from being melted by Drogon?[close]
Spoileryeah, I am curious to see if Drogon will be okay. Also, is Jaime captured now? I mean his army is basically dead or in retreat and he is just falling in the water...so will he just die or be captured?
and who was the one who pushed Jaime off the horse from being melted by Drogon?[close]SpoilerI think it's very likely that he's captured now, it would be silly if he was saved from the dragon only to drown shortly after. As for who saved him, I'm guessing Bronn or,
more likely, Dickon[close]
SpoilerIs anyone else here wondering what happened to that "stealing the sword" plotline from last season?[close]
SpoilerIs anyone else here wondering what happened to that "stealing the sword" plotline from last season?[close]SpoilerYeah me-what even happened with that? It's not as if it would be difficult to get it back. I'm assuming there's going to be a big twist/explainer[close]
SpoilerIs anyone else here wondering what happened to that "stealing the sword" plotline from last season?[close]SpoilerYeah me-what even happened with that? It's not as if it would be difficult to get it back. I'm assuming there's going to be a big twist/explainer[close]SpoilerThey probably just let go of that storyline.[close]
SpoilerNever forget the Gendry storyline[close]
SpoilerSo when does Stannis return? Brienne didnt kill him, we never really saw him dying :)[close]
SpoilerAnyone else get the impression that D&D have absolutely no idea what they're doing when it comes to Littlefinger?
"The most dangerous man in Westeros"- and the mastermind behind the civil war - appears to have become a complete moron prone to inaction in the later seasons.[close]
SpoilerSo when does Stannis return? Brienne didnt kill him, we never really saw him dying :)[close]
SpoilerSo when does Stannis return? Brienne didnt kill him, we never really saw him dying :)[close]SpoilerRamsay mentioned in Season 6 that they found his body. He really is dead. It's weird that they never showed the killing or even his actual body later on. Maybe the actor didn't want to only briefly return for a scene like that when season 6 came around.[close]
SpoilerSea has frozen over so I'm predicting that the Whites will just march around the wall and repeat what the Germans did in WW2 against the Maginot LineWall Season 1(https://image.prntscr.com/image/UpKnoZ3PSs29w6ENUix38Q.png)[close]Wall Season 7(https://image.prntscr.com/image/Cx2zoW6HQcOxb03exa3oaQ.png)[close]
And to address the Ice Dragon. Would seem strange for the Night King to go south without some massive play to his hand. There have been tons of wars so why choose now? Maybe it won't be an ice dragon but there is something that has prompted the NK to go south and I'd imagine it's something that men can't normally fight against such as the giants or possibly some mystical creature(s). Maybe not likely but clearly the show is going for effects over story so it wouldn't surprise me.[close]
SpoilerJon has got some Magnificent Seven-esque shit going now. Other than that, the episode was good overall, Gendry finally stopped rowing, and he is taking after Robert with that war hammer. I don't really understand how Cersei being pregnant fits into the storyline at all. Perhaps to make it more difficult for Jaime to kill her and fulfill that prophecy? Also Sam not noticing what Gilly said about Rhaegar and Lyanna made me chuckle.[close]
SpoilerJon has got some Magnificent Seven-esque shit going now. Other than that, the episode was good overall, Gendry finally stopped rowing, and he is taking after Robert with that war hammer. I don't really understand how Cersei being pregnant fits into the storyline at all. Perhaps to make it more difficult for Jaime to kill her and fulfill that prophecy? Also Sam not noticing what Gilly said about Rhaegar and Lyanna made me chuckle.[close]
^Pretty much my thoughts.SpoilerI actually thought some things were just boring though, maybe someone else felt the same way. There were cool moments like Gendry packing up shop so quickly and the seven heroes heading north. I've gotta check around to see if anyone can match up the Seven gods to those seven guys, even though like two are women and one isn't even necessarily 'human.' Gendry is the Smith, for sure, there's plenty of Warriors, Jorah kind of resembles the Father's features, the Crone and Stranger could be either Beric Dondarrion or Sandor Clegane, or maybe the "stranger" to the group is Thoros of Myr since he's a full on red priest, I dunno, and as for the Maiden and Mother, idk, Jon is pretty "beautiful, innocent looking [young woman]," he'll fit that I guess.
God similarities or not, that seven are a fucking fantastic matchup.
By the way, anyone remember those god awful leaks that came out months ago about the script? Remember the part saying Jon would go north and capture a White Walker? ISN'T THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING? At least they added some moderately interesting fluff along the way, but the overall story structure is super boring so far this season.[close]
SpoilerAlso, when are we going to get a Rhaegar flashback? He's basically been mentioned every season in one form or another and we finally got that brief voice line of him having a legitimate marriage with Lyanna.[close]
SpoilerAlso, when are we going to get a Rhaegar flashback? He's basically been mentioned every season in one form or another and we finally got that brief voice line of him having a legitimate marriage with Lyanna.[close]SpoilerI'm pretty sure that was referring to the marriage between Rhaegar and Cersei, which was absolved for a marriage between Rhaegar and Elia Martell.[close]
SpoilerAlso, when are we going to get a Rhaegar flashback? He's basically been mentioned every season in one form or another and we finally got that brief voice line of him having a legitimate marriage with Lyanna.[close]SpoilerI'm pretty sure that was referring to the marriage between Rhaegar and Cersei, which was absolved for a marriage between Rhaegar and Elia Martell.[close]SpoilerRheagar and Cersei never married. He married Elia because his father wanted to piss off the Lannisters.[close]
SpoilerAlso, when are we going to get a Rhaegar flashback? He's basically been mentioned every season in one form or another and we finally got that brief voice line of him having a legitimate marriage with Lyanna.[close]SpoilerI'm pretty sure that was referring to the marriage between Rhaegar and Cersei, which was absolved for a marriage between Rhaegar and Elia Martell.[close]SpoilerRheagar and Cersei never married. He married Elia because his father wanted to piss off the Lannisters.[close]SpoilerExactly. But I never said they were married, they were betrothed. Nice try, I'm kinda the loremaster 'round these parts.[close]
SpoilerAlso, when are we going to get a Rhaegar flashback? He's basically been mentioned every season in one form or another and we finally got that brief voice line of him having a legitimate marriage with Lyanna.[close]SpoilerI'm pretty sure that was referring to the marriage between Rhaegar and Cersei, which was absolved for a marriage between Rhaegar and Elia Martell.[close]SpoilerRheagar and Cersei never married. He married Elia because his father wanted to piss off the Lannisters.[close]SpoilerExactly. But I never said they were married, they were betrothed. Nice try, I'm kinda the loremaster 'round these parts.[close]Spoileryeah but a betrothal wouldnt have had to be annulled. It was definitely his marriage to Elia Martell that was annulled. Gilly even mentions that the subsequent wedding was performed in secret, he had no reason to keep his marriage to Elia a secret.[close]
SpoilerAlso, when are we going to get a Rhaegar flashback? He's basically been mentioned every season in one form or another and we finally got that brief voice line of him having a legitimate marriage with Lyanna.[close]SpoilerI'm pretty sure that was referring to the marriage between Rhaegar and Cersei, which was absolved for a marriage between Rhaegar and Elia Martell.[close]SpoilerRheagar and Cersei never married. He married Elia because his father wanted to piss off the Lannisters.[close]SpoilerExactly. But I never said they were married, they were betrothed. Nice try, I'm kinda the loremaster 'round these parts.[close]Spoileryeah but a betrothal wouldnt have had to be annulled. It was definitely his marriage to Elia Martell that was annulled. Gilly even mentions that the subsequent wedding was performed in secret, he had no reason to keep his marriage to Elia a secret.[close]
Spoilerthought they only intended to capture a wight, not a white walker?[close]
Spoilerthought they only intended to capture a wight, not a white walker?[close]Spoilerahh remember how that was a thing in like season 1 and then everyone just forgot about?[close]
Spoilerthought they only intended to capture a wight, not a white walker?[close]Spoilerahh remember how that was a thing in like season 1 and then everyone just forgot about?[close]
It was mentioned by d&d, the hand Alliser brought south was too rotten by the time it arrived
SpoilerJon should have returned to Winterfell first in my opinion instead of going to eastwatch...to reunit with his siblings and to bring peace to the lords of the north since they are getting antsy about Jon being MIA[close]
i made a mistake by clicking on this :/leaked episode 6leaked episode 6 ARE YOU SUREWhat the actual F*ck, this series is starting to be anoying and boring to me, teleporting galore got so much worse that it's insane..
The killed dragon was such a predictable event, and the way mr snow survived was utterly retarted. I don't even know what to say anymore, this series starts to suck.[close][close]
episode 6I...I don't even know anymore.[close]
SpoilerWhy tdid the Night King decide to take out the dragon mid-flight instead of the stationary dragon carrying all of his enemies?[close]
IKEASpoilerwhere on earth did the undead get those massive chains from[close]
dont watch it then ;)More Ep. 6I have no idea how Jon and Dany have managed to fall in love / show affection when they've barely shown any to one another, if at all. It's such lazy and bad writing because the romance is so forced and has no background. We barely saw any true love grow between them aside from a few talks. Just a real shame that the show is a well done train wreck without book material To go off of.[close]
2 much complaining, watch the fucking showdont watch it then ;)More Ep. 6I have no idea how Jon and Dany have managed to fall in love / show affection when they've barely shown any to one another, if at all. It's such lazy and bad writing because the romance is so forced and has no background. We barely saw any true love grow between them aside from a few talks. Just a real shame that the show is a well done train wreck without book material To go off of.[close]
IKEASpoilerwhere on earth did the undead get those massive chains from[close]
For Starters: Haha @ Audiate. I am Nostradamus among plebs
SpoilerTheyre fucking related though. She's his aunt![close]
SpoilerTheyre fucking related though. She's his aunt![close]SpoilerValyrians, thus Targaryens, have been having brother-sister/father-daughter/mother-son/aunt-nephew/uncle-niece/etc marriages for thousands of years. Wouldn't be surprised if there was a great-great-grandfather marrying his great-great-granddaughter at some point some where. It's weird, it's medieval, it's incestuous, welcome to GoT.[close]
You know they wont lolSpoileractually going to be interesting watching the diplomatic meeting in the finale. I wonder if they will actually all combine to take down the army of the dead[close]
I don't think I've ever had a need to rewatch an episode to really form a basic opinion on it, except for now. Overall I think it was thrilling and satisfying top-tier fanfiction at best, and predictable and poorly written garbage-tier fanfiction at worst. Hit some really big highs, hit some really big lows, but I was into it.this was actually exactly the review I was looking for since I haven't watched the episode yet
Shut up, no spoiler necessary.
Absolutely enthralling at times, open-other-tabs-to-browse-random-shit-while-listening-to-the-episode-in-the-background-boring at othersWhat i did exactly lol
Spoilerthat was honestly a really disappointing way to see the wall come down. Like what was the night kings plan if he didn't get a dragon? Really hope it will be different in the books
Do you think bran watched daneryas and Jon have incest sex? I mean he says he sees it all[close]
SpoilerWhat was the point of showing Daenerys destroying the train of gold if Cersei can still afford the mercenary company.[close]
Spoilerif the wights can't swim how did they get the chains on the dragon? I thought they used scuba zombies[close]
SpoilerWould be funny if the Golden Company comes with young Griff and starts fucking Cersei.[close]
SpoilerWould be funny if the Golden Company comes with young Griff and starts fucking Cersei.[close]Spoilerif they managed to squeeze the connington/aegon storyline in now i think i'd cry[close]
SpoilerI'm just happy to see Jaime seeing through Cersei's deception and lies. I wonder if the Maesters were present to see the wight seeing as how their massive authority.[close]
Spoileranyone else think Tyrion and cersei are working together now? I don't see any other reason for them to just randomly cut out their meeting and why tyrion was just sitting outside danys door while her and Jon got it on[close]
true, though it's possible that they may be mentioned in passing or have a cameo roleSpoilerWould be funny if the Golden Company comes with young Griff and starts fucking Cersei.[close]Spoilerif they managed to squeeze the connington/aegon storyline in now i think i'd cry[close]
It's too late, they wouldn't now.
SpoilerI'm really liking the possibility that Jaime is Azor Ahai or at least that widow's wail is lightbringer,
The prophecy says lightbringer is first tempered in water but is unsuccessful. Widow's wail starts out as Ice, coincidence?
In the prophecy he then tempers lightbringer by stabbing it into a lion but that also doesn't work. Ice is reforged into widow's wail by a lion.
The last part of the prophecy potentially alines with that of the Valonqar. It states lightbringer is finally tempered by plunging it into the heart of the woman he loves. If Jaime does end up killing Cersei that fits the description almost bang on.[close]
SpoilerI want to know who started the rumor that Rhaegar abducted and raped Lyanna because evidently they loved each other and annulled their marriages to marry. This means Roberts whole rebellion was built on a lie.[close]
I found this video to explain most of it. I found AltShiftX to be the best GoT YouTuber with his golden voice and extreme knowledge of GoT.SpoilerI want to know who started the rumor that Rhaegar abducted and raped Lyanna because evidently they loved each other and annulled their marriages to marry. This means Roberts whole rebellion was built on a lie.[close]SpoilerBecause it was an abduction in the eyes of the rebels. However, it was mostly the cause of the Mad King, who murdered Eddard's father and older brother, and sentenced Robert Baratheon and Eddard Stark to death. But it started before that, when Rhaegar had named Lyanna the Queen of Love and Beauty at the Tourney of Harrenhal, which he won. That was when he was already married to Elia Martell, had two kids with her, and both Robert and Eddard were present--really, the entire realm was there, it was a HUGE event.[close]
For those interested, here's an outline summarized from the wiki about the causes of Robert's Rebellion. Don't say tl;dr and still ask questions later:SpoilerIn 281 AC, a grand tourney was held at Harrenhal. Many nobles from all over the Seven Kingdoms came to take part in the festivities. Amongst them were the heir to Winterfell, Brandon Stark, and his younger siblings, Eddard, Lyanna and Benjen.
The most prominent visitor of the tourney was King Aerys II Targaryen, however. Aerys had not left the Red Keep for many years, but was inspired to come to the tourney by words from his master of whisperers, the eunuch Varys.
The tourney was cause for great celebration, as spring had come to Westeros, or so men thought. In addition, all of the White Swords (Kingsguard) had gathered to welcome their newest member, Ser Jaime Lannister. However, the tourney's ending was less joyful. After winning the final tilt, Prince Rhaegar Targaryen was to crown the new queen of love and beauty. Instead of crowning his wife, the Dornish princess Elia Martell, Rhaegar rode past her and crowned Lyanna Stark of Winterfell instead. Eddard Stark would later recall this moment as "the moment when all smiles died".
An unknown amount of time later, Lyanna Stark was seemingly abducted by Prince Rhaegar Targaryen. Her brother, Brandon Stark, was on his way to Riverrun to wed Catelyn Tully, when the news reached him. Brandon rode at once to King's Landing with his companions, arrived at the Red Keep, and outside its gates, unaware that Rhaegar was not present, shouted for Rhaegar to come out and die. King Aerys II had them all arrested for plotting the murder of the crown prince, and summoned the fathers of all those who stood accused to court. Lord Rickard Stark, who had been on his way south with the wedding party for Brandon's wedding, went to King's Landing with two hundred men. None of them returned north. In King's Landing, all of those who stood accused were executed, with the sole exception of Ethan Glover.
King Aerys did allow for trials, of a sort. Lord Rickard Stark demanded a trial by battle, and the king granted his request. Rickard dressed for battle, but Aerys declared fire to be the champion of House Targaryen. He had Rickard suspended from the rafters in the throne room, where his pyromancers kindled a blaze beneath the Lord of Winterfell. Brandon Stark was brought in as well, and placed in a strangling device, while a longsword was placed just outside his reach. Brandon was allowed to try and free his father, but the more he struggled to reach the sword, the tighter the cord around his neck became. Brandon strangled himself in an attempt to reach the sword and save his father, while Lord Rickard cooked in his armor.
Next, Aerys demanded Lord Jon Arryn to send him the heads of Lord Robert Baratheon of Storm's End, Lyanna's betrothed, and Eddard Stark, now the Lord of Winterfell after the deaths of his father and older brother. Robert and Eddard were in the Eyrie, however, and Jon Arryn refused to oblige. Instead, he raised his banners in revolt. This act is seen as the start of the war, which would last "close to a year".[close]
AltShiftX is great because he actually has read the books and does research, resulting in quality contentI found this video to explain most of it. I found AltShiftX to be the best GoT YouTuber with his golden voice and extreme knowledge of GoT.SpoilerI want to know who started the rumor that Rhaegar abducted and raped Lyanna because evidently they loved each other and annulled their marriages to marry. This means Roberts whole rebellion was built on a lie.[close]SpoilerBecause it was an abduction in the eyes of the rebels. However, it was mostly the cause of the Mad King, who murdered Eddard's father and older brother, and sentenced Robert Baratheon and Eddard Stark to death. But it started before that, when Rhaegar had named Lyanna the Queen of Love and Beauty at the Tourney of Harrenhal, which he won. That was when he was already married to Elia Martell, had two kids with her, and both Robert and Eddard were present--really, the entire realm was there, it was a HUGE event.[close]
For those interested, here's an outline summarized from the wiki about the causes of Robert's Rebellion. Don't say tl;dr and still ask questions later:SpoilerIn 281 AC, a grand tourney was held at Harrenhal. Many nobles from all over the Seven Kingdoms came to take part in the festivities. Amongst them were the heir to Winterfell, Brandon Stark, and his younger siblings, Eddard, Lyanna and Benjen.
The most prominent visitor of the tourney was King Aerys II Targaryen, however. Aerys had not left the Red Keep for many years, but was inspired to come to the tourney by words from his master of whisperers, the eunuch Varys.
The tourney was cause for great celebration, as spring had come to Westeros, or so men thought. In addition, all of the White Swords (Kingsguard) had gathered to welcome their newest member, Ser Jaime Lannister. However, the tourney's ending was less joyful. After winning the final tilt, Prince Rhaegar Targaryen was to crown the new queen of love and beauty. Instead of crowning his wife, the Dornish princess Elia Martell, Rhaegar rode past her and crowned Lyanna Stark of Winterfell instead. Eddard Stark would later recall this moment as "the moment when all smiles died".
An unknown amount of time later, Lyanna Stark was seemingly abducted by Prince Rhaegar Targaryen. Her brother, Brandon Stark, was on his way to Riverrun to wed Catelyn Tully, when the news reached him. Brandon rode at once to King's Landing with his companions, arrived at the Red Keep, and outside its gates, unaware that Rhaegar was not present, shouted for Rhaegar to come out and die. King Aerys II had them all arrested for plotting the murder of the crown prince, and summoned the fathers of all those who stood accused to court. Lord Rickard Stark, who had been on his way south with the wedding party for Brandon's wedding, went to King's Landing with two hundred men. None of them returned north. In King's Landing, all of those who stood accused were executed, with the sole exception of Ethan Glover.
King Aerys did allow for trials, of a sort. Lord Rickard Stark demanded a trial by battle, and the king granted his request. Rickard dressed for battle, but Aerys declared fire to be the champion of House Targaryen. He had Rickard suspended from the rafters in the throne room, where his pyromancers kindled a blaze beneath the Lord of Winterfell. Brandon Stark was brought in as well, and placed in a strangling device, while a longsword was placed just outside his reach. Brandon was allowed to try and free his father, but the more he struggled to reach the sword, the tighter the cord around his neck became. Brandon strangled himself in an attempt to reach the sword and save his father, while Lord Rickard cooked in his armor.
Next, Aerys demanded Lord Jon Arryn to send him the heads of Lord Robert Baratheon of Storm's End, Lyanna's betrothed, and Eddard Stark, now the Lord of Winterfell after the deaths of his father and older brother. Robert and Eddard were in the Eyrie, however, and Jon Arryn refused to oblige. Instead, he raised his banners in revolt. This act is seen as the start of the war, which would last "close to a year".[close]SpoilerIf the video holds true, it makes sense that Rhaegar would do what he did seeing as how Lyanna was pretty dope and she liked him[close]Spoilerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUVr_lUxYf8[close]
he actually has read the books and does research
That's why I enjoy reading your postshe actually has read the books and does research
hey i do that too
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hey i do that too
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Spoiler(https://i.gyazo.com/c018b67267c9d1fec5434485dcd98da9.png)[close]SpoilerI think that since the dragon was technically resurrected directly by the night king via the 'icey touch', that it's a white and not a wight which means it's invulnerable to flames (or at least so far they have, seeing as the NK walked through dragonfire as well as his white walkers into Bloodraven's cave.[close]
Spoiler(https://i.gyazo.com/c018b67267c9d1fec5434485dcd98da9.png)[close]SpoilerI think that since the dragon was technically resurrected directly by the night king via the 'icey touch', that it's a white and not a wight which means it's invulnerable to flames (or at least so far they have, seeing as the NK walked through dragonfire as well as his white walkers into Bloodraven's cave.[close]SpoilerAt this point I'm satisfied with that explanation.[close]
SpoilerI'm really hoping that the Night King is given some sort of dialogue or exposition because he has no set objective it seems other then to kill everyone which is the most lame thing ever. Clearly he was able to reason seeing as how Kraster made a deal to give him his sons in exchange for safety. Do the others know the common tongue?[close]
Wait you are only noticing this now? It has been like that since the beginning of the season, and large parts of Season Six were just as bad.SpoilerIs is just me or is the writing incredibly fucking shitty? I really cant take the series serious anymore. I looks like a overproduced telenovela.[close]
SpoilerQuality wise, this season was utter shit. However, the feeling of 'I wanna know what happens next and how it all ends' is so strong right now that it makes me not mind it that much. It's still enjoyable, shit but enjoyable. A guilty pleasure.[close]
SpoilerAs per usual it's probably a dumbed down version of whatever it will be in the book.[close]
Wait you are only noticing this now? It has been like that since the beginning of the season, and large parts of Season Six were just as bad.SpoilerIs is just me or is the writing incredibly fucking shitty? I really cant take the series serious anymore. I looks like a overproduced telenovela.[close]
Altshiftx is good but my favorite is Preston Jacobs. I think he posts more and his videos are pretty funnyHe's a God, if George doesn't finishes the books Preston has to.
Love it #4chanSpoilerThe show has become a parody of itself. I suppose that's what happens when you cut 6 episodes and create a character like Bran who is literally exposition personified.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4FryTzcfJA[close]
The show has become a parody of itself. I suppose that's what happens when you cut 6 episodes and create a character like Bran who is literally exposition personified.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4FryTzcfJA
Altshiftx is good but my favorite is Preston Jacobs. I think he posts more and his videos are pretty funnyHe's a God, if George doesn't finishes the books Preston has to.
Hardly a suprise that the series aren't closely as good as the books. The series are like a strong 'light' version of the books. I however do not think this is because of the audience, rather than that you can't put a reasonably amount of backstory and extra conetnt in barely an hour-long episode. The books are simply far more suitable for a complicated series than a TV show..
Especially considering GRRM has created a completely functional and plausible world, which isn't half-way based in the 'real' world. Not muc other succesful fantasy writer could have managed this.
SpoilerThe show has become a parody of itself. I suppose that's what happens when you cut 6 episodes and create a character like Bran who is literally exposition personified.Spoilerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4FryTzcfJA[close]
By killing Littlefinger they ended the most interesting story line, the only story line that was about 'the Game of Thrones'.[close]
He is not but he knows his work very well and Martin's ideology, plus he is writing a novel now.Altshiftx is good but my favorite is Preston Jacobs. I think he posts more and his videos are pretty funnyHe's a God, if George doesn't finishes the books Preston has to.
Since when is Preston Jacobs anywhere near as good a writer as GRRM? I don't even know anything about his writing, just his lore research and presentation. That's not the same thing
There's way more magic than that.Like what?
SpoilerI had the impression that they didnt know what to do with Littlefinger anymore and that they needed a shocking death for the last episode of the season. Seems cheap... just as the plot convenience in the 6th episode.
Personally I am even sadder as I would have loved to see Littlefinger win it all in the end. Just a big 'fuck you' to all the normies who want a boring happy ending. GoT should not be like Harry Potter. It should be darker, like a grown up version of a normal fantasy series. A show for people who want to see something less childish, but oh well...[close]
And those bullet points are bullshit.w
Ending in books will be neither happy nor sad, it will be realistic and will have a positive message. What show is telling atm is that violence solves problems and that there are good and bad people (Zoroastrian much), while books represent war and violence as horrible and that people do things for certain reasons and noone is good or bad.
how does sabotaging the show help book sells?And those bullet points are bullshit.w
Agreed George is plotting again, my guess is sabotage series to sell more books.
Ending in books will be neither happy nor sad, it will be realistic and will have a positive message. What show is telling atm is that violence solves problems and that there are good and bad people (Zoroastrian much), while books represent war and violence as horrible and that people do things for certain reasons and noone is good or bad.
Just kidding boy. I think he just doesn't cares or maybe he allowed show to get dumber and more popular among majority of people so some of them might read the books, but I don't think many will (not to sell the books but get the real message to more people).how does sabotaging the show help book sells?And those bullet points are bullshit.Agreed George is plotting again, my guess is sabotage series to sell more books.
Ending in books will be neither happy nor sad, it will be realistic and will have a positive message. What show is telling atm is that violence solves problems and that there are good and bad people (Zoroastrian much), while books represent war and violence as horrible and that people do things for certain reasons and noone is good or bad.
SpoilerI had the impression that they didnt know what to do with Littlefinger anymore and that they needed a shocking death for the last episode of the season. Seems cheap... just as the plot convenience in the 6th episode.
Personally I am even sadder as I would have loved to see Littlefinger win it all in the end. Just a big 'fuck you' to all the normies who want a boring happy ending. GoT should not be like Harry Potter. It should be darker, like a grown up version of a normal fantasy series. A show for people who want to see something less childish, but oh well...[close]
"Normies"
Happy ending or unhappy ending, in now way is this series childish (except the show writing recently). All the death and murder and sex and debauchery, let alone the book plots being super confusing for a lot of people, doesn't really appeal to children.
A happy ending is good. A happy ending means that not all of it is arbitrary, that everyone who died along the way didn't die for no reason at all. An unhappy ending is only fulfilling if it showed the product of people's greed and thirst for power that kept humanity from working together, and all it would do is resemble a video game where you die right at the epic climactic part and have to start over, because that's no ending worth leaving on.
Just like your album, you make no sense.
Just like your album, you make no sense.
You can say what I say makes no sense but you will not diss the album you NA trash, go watch Harry Potter. This album is beautiful piece of art.
SpoilerThe wall shouldn't have been capable fo falling that fast. It's not just a giant wall of ice. But they have ignored that before.
Remember that time when the wildlings scaled the wall to attack Castle Black? A giant chain swooped away from under the ice to mash 'em to bits.
In the books, the Watch was suprised by that kind of attack and were waiting for them atop the wall. Then the wall collapsed slightly right above the scaling wildlings. It is said that the wall was built in combination with extremely powerful ancient magic: "The Wall protects itself".
I mean, sure not THAT much to do agianst a white dragon, but surely you can't just ignore the big fuck off magic wall in that regard? It was disrespectful to its awesomeness.[close]
Can he freeze things at all though?He is Winter, so technically wherever he goes it will freeze but I don't know if it's a direct touch sort of thing which is what I think you're pointing at. "I shall touch this ocean and it will CGI freeze from the point I touch" has yet to be done yet.
lol you really don't get it do you?Just like your album, you make no sense.
You can say what I say makes no sense but you will not diss the album you NA trash, go watch Harry Potter. This album is beautiful piece of art.
I mean, I wasn't trying to be harsh on it, but it does sound like you just ripped songs from some tired asian girl's bandcamp or something, cut off the beginnings (maybe they're supposed to mix, but they don't, because they end early), and fucked the mixing up. Sorry, but the sound of pouring poroxide sounds better on the ears than MCperoの一人遊び. ;)
Jk, idk how much of the album you actually did, but if it was anything other than just remixing and reproduction, congratulations, it takes effort to commit to releasing anything.
That said, don't be a dickcunt and call your own work art and anyone who dislikes it "NA trash who should go watch Harry Potter." I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. If you mean GoT isn't for me and HP would be, I've been a fan of GoT content since I was 12. So nah. I'll stay. Learn to accept criticism.some potential book spoilers i guessYeah, the wall's collapse was really weird. The magical science behind it doesn't make much sense, either. My guess is that if it falls in the books, it'll have something to do with either the Horn of Joramun (which sounds a lot like Jorah-man for whatever reason), or Dragonbinder. I think those two horns could have more similarity than we currently think.[close]
lol you really don't get it do you?
Can he freeze things at all though?
Why do you keep referring to this guy like he's actually a female Japanese rapperlol you really don't get it do you?
Yeah. I clearly don't get your artistic brilliance. What a pleb I am.
Because this is a Game of Thrones thread. ;);D
Why do you keep referring to this guy like he's actually a female Japanese rapperlol you really don't get it do you?
Yeah. I clearly don't get your artistic brilliance. What a pleb I am.
GoT writing is becoming so forced because the producers just want to end the show
^^Why do you keep referring to this guy like he's actually a female Japanese rapperlol you really don't get it do you?
Yeah. I clearly don't get your artistic brilliance. What a pleb I am.
I feel they would have dropped a hint if they were going the book route on that but that would be fucking awesomeSpoilerI think it would really add to the show if it showed that Varys wants to get a blackfyre on the throne but the chances of them being able to push another story arc in this late is extremely unlikely. Although it would be absolutely badass if the Golden Company lands and the lead soldier takes off his helmet to reveal Targaryen blonde hair and then the episode ends. I doubt it that a lot though.[close]
SpoilerI think it would really add to the show if it showed that Varys wants to get a blackfyre on the throne but the chances of them being able to push another story arc in this late is extremely unlikely. Although it would be absolutely badass if the Golden Company lands and the lead soldier takes off his helmet to reveal Targaryen blonde hair and then the episode ends. I doubt it that a lot though.[close]
SpoilerI think it would really add to the show if it showed that Varys wants to get a blackfyre on the throne but the chances of them being able to push another story arc in this late is extremely unlikely. Although it would be absolutely badass if the Golden Company lands and the lead soldier takes off his helmet to reveal Targaryen blonde hair and then the episode ends. I doubt it that a lot though.[close]SpoilerThat would be pretty epic. Shame there's not enough time left to do it in, and they're a dragon down so we can be fairly sure that's not the route they're taking.[close]
SpoilerI think it would really add to the show if it showed that Varys wants to get a blackfyre on the throne but the chances of them being able to push another story arc in this late is extremely unlikely. Although it would be absolutely badass if the Golden Company lands and the lead soldier takes off his helmet to reveal Targaryen blonde hair and then the episode ends. I doubt it that a lot though.[close]SpoilerThat would be pretty epic. Shame there's not enough time left to do it in, and they're a dragon down so we can be fairly sure that's not the route they're taking.[close]SpoilerBut Aegon Blackfyre :c[close]
all i see is crying in this thread
all i see is crying in this thread
What's there to be happy about exactly?
So I've decided to reread the Dunk and Egg trilogy again. For those who haven't read it and liked reading the main story, definitely look into it. It's pretty great.
ye i'd highly recommend it tooSo I've decided to reread the Dunk and Egg trilogy again. For those who haven't read it and liked reading the main story, definitely look into it. It's pretty great.
P.S. IT'S ONLY LIKE 300 PAGES TOTAL, READ IT!!!
I like long reads thoughSo I've decided to reread the Dunk and Egg trilogy again. For those who haven't read it and liked reading the main story, definitely look into it. It's pretty great.
P.S. IT'S ONLY LIKE 300 PAGES TOTAL, READ IT!!!
Not five generations. Five hundred years.
+1SpoilerIf onlyStannisThe One True King was alive[close]
SpoilerBrave young Renly would have brought in a golden age for Westeros :'([close]
SpoilerBrave young Renly would have brought in a golden age for Westeros :'([close]Spoileryea but he wouldn't have any legitimate heirs[close]
SpoilerBrave young Renly would have brought in a golden age for Westeros :'([close]Spoileryea but he wouldn't have any legitimate heirs[close]Spoilerhe would if he forced himself to have some heirs with Margaery.[close]
"It's a shame the throne wasn't made of cocks, they would've never gotten him off it."SpoilerBrave young Renly would have brought in a golden age for Westeros :'([close]Spoileryea but he wouldn't have any legitimate heirs[close]
SpoilerBrave young Renly would have brought in a golden age for Westeros :'([close]Spoileryea but he wouldn't have any legitimate heirs[close]
No Stannis would have ruled on basis of justice in show he seems pretty retarded but in books he is really smart not only in military strategy.SpoilerHe'd rule on a basis of fear. He wouldn't have lasted long. Doesn't mean he was awesome as a character though. He could have been the cleansing fire that would wipe out the Lannisters.[close]
I never was informed but apparently that Dutch talkshow host Arjen Lubach (the same guy as America First, The Netherlands Second) created a hype out of thin air.
The idea was cool, anyway.
I didn't know where to put this but if anyone wants to do a GoT world on Crusader Kings 2, let me know. I've been playing a lot of Ck2 and I heard the mod is quite goodThe mod is great and they just released a new start date right after the fall of valyria. I would be interested in playing
He was actually kind of blinded by "justice." He had no passion for people, no sympathy or empathy for people's struggles, and sought to do nothing as king other than being king and laying down justice. No better than Maekar, and without spoilers, I would say that's not necessarily a good thing. Sure, he was stern. Sure, he was powerful and punctual. But he was also harsh and quick to pass judgement, following some weird guideline about what to do to someone for a crime and immediately do it rather than think back about in what context they did it in, or why they did it, about whether it was voluntary or not, or anything like that.
There were kings like Stannis before Stannis and they were not regarded as great kings, regardless of how great they were militarily or in passing judgement. Stannis would have been shit for Westeros, and he was definitely no Azor Ahai.
He was actually kind of blinded by "justice." He had no passion for people, no sympathy or empathy for people's struggles, and sought to do nothing as king other than being king and laying down justice. No better than Maekar, and without spoilers, I would say that's not necessarily a good thing. Sure, he was stern. Sure, he was powerful and punctual. But he was also harsh and quick to pass judgement, following some weird guideline about what to do to someone for a crime and immediately do it rather than think back about in what context they did it in, or why they did it, about whether it was voluntary or not, or anything like that.
There were kings like Stannis before Stannis and they were not regarded as great kings, regardless of how great they were militarily or in passing judgement. Stannis would have been shit for Westeros, and he was definitely no Azor Ahai.
Implying this would've been somehow different from Tywin ruling Westeros (No, not Robert.) Tywin had very little care for the common people and the realm was fairly stable, although it didn't prosper.
Stannis would be much better for smallfolk than Tywin. Tywin is completly ruthless while Stannis has compashion just doesn't shows it.ye dude
No. Both have straight up no care for the little man.Tywin actually cares more about lowborn. Tywin kept peace, order and welfare of Seven Kingdoms for his entire adult life, He served well as Hand for Aerys even though Aerys was rude to him because he was jealous and might even rape his wife. Think how many lives Tywin saved with Red Wedding. And you can't really blame him for killing Elia and her children since Robert would have done it anyways. Also can't blame him for raiding Riverlands because if you pay attention small folk says everyone is the same, even Beric takes food from them and gives them some kind of payment on paper which they can't eat can they. Tywin wanted to end war fast to minimize damage caused to realm. Only thing that is questionable in his career is sack of Kingslanding though idk if there is any confirmation he order the sack or his soldiers went crazy but he probably did. And for hating Tyrion he has good reasons. Tyrion triggers Tywins ptsd connected to his father Tytos. He is afraid Tyrion would become leader of Lannisters some day and he would be mocked like Tytos was. Tywin might suspect Tyrion is Aerys' child. Also Tywin really loved his wife and was the only thing that he had that was for him and not for realm and house Lannister and Tyrion killed her even though it is not his fault. Tywin's actions are much better for lowborn than Dany's she is a child and horrible ruler but just because she has good intent she is considered good character.
You say 'be like Tywin by accepting Renly's offer' as if that's a good thing. How Renly tries to justify his usurpation of his own flesh and blood is beyond me. Stannis is not only the rightful King, but his tendency towards duty and justice would serve the smallfolk well.
I like how you 180 flipped your opinion, lol.Yeah I changed my mind Tywin was actually better. Tywin's reasons for hating Tyrion might seem shit reasons, but you live in soft society where as this is middle ages we are talking about. Someone like Randel Taryl or any wildling, many northeners would just kill a child like Tyrion, Tywin decided to keep him for the benefit of the House. What benefit did Tywin have from ruling as a King's hand for Aerys? He got his wife raped (maybe) and disrespected by Aerys. He had little political gain from it, only the respect from nobles of the realm maybe. But yes he did a lot of things for political gains but he needed power to bring peace and prosperity to Seven Kingdoms.
No, Tywin did none of those things for the little man. He did them with political gain in mind.
Tyrion did nothing to his father to get mistreated. Tywin was a terrible father. The fuck are you trying to defend there? The Toothless Lion is no reason for Tywin to mistreat him. Joanna's death is no reason for Tywin to mistreat him. Seriously, the fuck you mean?
To be fair, Danny freed slaves because she wanted to. It wasn't even a good idea going into it, who would have known she would walk away with the Unsullied at her side and the love of Meereen? She acted because she saw injustice and she wanted it corrected. That's far better for the little guy (slaves were usually lower on the ladder than peasants (the little guys) on Earth) than anything Tywin had ever done, and Tywin never considered the little guy. Danny's entire decision was made on people being oppressed and that requiring correction.
You have a stupid argument.
You say 'be like Tywin by accepting Renly's offer' as if that's a good thing. How Renly tries to justify his usurpation of his own flesh and blood is beyond me. Stannis is not only the rightful King, but his tendency towards duty and justice would serve the smallfolk well.
Renly seems like a bit better version of Robert regarding rulership. They both had charisma and ability to attract their vassals, only Renly shows more interest in ruling and not just parting. And Robert reign wasn't bad since small council ruled in his stead, which would be done again because Vayrs, LF would manipulate him pretty easily, while Stannis would probably execute Littlefinger. And ruled mostly by his own.You say 'be like Tywin by accepting Renly's offer' as if that's a good thing. How Renly tries to justify his usurpation of his own flesh and blood is beyond me. Stannis is not only the rightful King, but his tendency towards duty and justice would serve the smallfolk well.
A quick war is meaningless if the sovereign at the end of it isn't fit to rule, which I don't think Renly is. Renly is nice and charistmatic, which is why people like him; but these characteristics do not make the Kingdom prosper nor does it secure the rights of its subjects; a strong man with the mind for justice does.
"I remember the first time my father took me to court, Robert had to hold my hand. I could not have been older than four, which would have made him five or six. We agreed afterward that the king had been as noble as the dragons were fearsome. Years later, our father told us that Aerys had cut himself on the throne that morning, so his Hand had taken his place. It was Tywin Lannister who’d so impressed us."
"Upon this a question arises: whether it be better to be loved than feared or feared than loved? It may be answered that one should wish to be both, but, because it is difficult to unite them in one person, it is much safer to be feared than loved, when, of the two, either must be dispensed with."
"We had come late to Robert's cause. It was necessary to demonstrate our loyalty. When I laid those bodies before the throne, no man could doubt that we had forsaken House Targaryen forever. And Robert's relief was palpable. As stupid as he was, even he knew that Rhaegar's children had to die if his throne was ever to be secure. Yet he saw himself as a hero, and heroes do not kill children."
Spoiler he kills Renly [close] |
"When your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet. Elsewise no man will ever bend the knee to you. And any man who must say ‘I am the king’ is no true king at all. Aerys never understood that, but you will. When I’ve won your war for you, we will restore the king’s peace and the king’s justice."
Can only be better than the last season.
Do you all mind if I post my fanfiction here? I've been writing one for a while and this thread is dead
Can only be better than the last season.
Can only be better than the last season.
I don't know man they keep lowering my expectations every seasons.
atleast the show looks niceI would rather the show look like shit but actually be a good show
I love how D&D said it wouldn't come down to a good vs evil showdown.. except that's exactly what it has come down to.
"I want a zombie polar bear god damn it"
Trying to one up the battle that can't be one upped ::)I love how D&D said it wouldn't come down to a good vs evil showdown.. except that's exactly what it has come down to.
"I want a zombie polar bear god damn it"
But they need that huge LotR style battle at the end, like any good movie nowadays!^111
so new season is next spring right?shut up
It’s time to revive this threadDebating whether to just avoid the internet for a few months and just binge it all but I doubt I'll get past week one without a spoiler with this level of normie appreciation
Who’s gonna watch season 8?
It better be fucking good
Hey guys not sure how many of you are aware of your surroundings (EU cucks mostly) but the state of the internet is changing quickly and things we used to be able to do are being clamped down hard and fast just like how big corporation are willing to fuck your butthole over piracy so please for your safety don't be public with torrents or links to game of thrones episodes it's not worth the outcome.
In short don't post anything on this forum, keep conversations about bootlegging HBO content between friends on secure places.
(Don't have to listen to me but 90% of you are retarded so thought I'd give some advice)
Tbh all these nice persons watching illegaly should at least buy a DVD or sth later because, you know, creating stuff costs money. I always find it quite amusing how people can talk about "muh taxes muh stuff those who do not pay deserve nothing waaaaaa" while literally saying "fuck you!" to all those who've worked for this season to happen.Fucking entitled pricksThose people must be proud of their existence!.
Besides that:SpoilerI'll call the following things to happen:
- Euron either changes sides or screws Cersei over, either way I guess he might end up with some profit.
- The Golden Company will turn on Cersei or refuse to fight for her because, you know, Cersei got nothing but the Tyrell's gold which will be of no use after the Dragons/Walkers have been defeated, the Westerlands' mines are dry. Remember her saying that she paid attention to Tywin talking about the importance of gold in S7 finale? Well - in that chat, she didn't even know that the mines had run dry. She really isn't as clever as she thinks.[close]
I bought one of those big fucking head figurines(idk what they are called) of Petyr baelish. So i'm also gucci ye.
I always just buy the shit on amazon prime and stream it 2 days later or so, I don't care enough to go through the trouble to find a good stream on some random streaming website..
Besides I didn't even know its today. The last season was so bad.. I thought the season before that was garbage, but last season... Almost Star Wars EP8
Not everything on prime is free
Pretty disappointing
These episodes better be an hour and a half from now on.
Anyways, pretty boring start, but I suppose they are just setting things up for one big kaboom.
Poor brann, he stayed in the same spot freezing for the whole episode lol.
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We stayed up all night for THIS!?
Tbh if we thought that the first episode was going to be anything but plot building then we r dumb. There's only 5 more episodes to go so its going to ramp up.
By the sounds of it there's no plans and I hope there won't be.
Lets be honest reboots are almost always complete shit.
I wouldn't call it trash, unfortunately there are a few episodes in seasons that just don't need to exist but its still pretty good.By the sounds of it there's no plans and I hope there won't be.
Lets be honest reboots are almost always complete shit.
Its been pretty bad since season 4 ended, I don't even know why anyone is still excited for this trash.
Olafson with the beginning of S5 they had new Producers for GoT
That's why it could've changed / gotten worse 4 u
It's beyond trash. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to go back and rewatch seasons 1-4, to remind themselves what actual dialogue and world building looks like.
Is it bad that I had never watched GoT before?its worth a watch
Only disappointing thing is that we wont be seeing the elephants of the golden company :C.
I wanted to see Drogon rip apart a war elephant >:(
I wanted to see Drogon rip apart a war elephant >:(
Spoilerya but what does that dead kid in the weird spiral REALLY mean[close]
Spoilerya but what does that dead kid in the weird spiral REALLY mean[close]Spoilerit's a symbol the night king has been using. we don't know it exactly means yet[close]
I had no idea that the upcoming battle is going to be one the biggest in all of film, took 55 days apparently.Helm's Deep took 120 days to film apparently.
I had no idea that the upcoming battle is going to be one the biggest in all of film, took 55 days apparently.Helm's Deep took 120 days to film apparently.
I had no idea that the upcoming battle is going to be one the biggest in all of film, took 55 days apparently.Helm's Deep took 120 days to film apparently.
wew, hard to beat. will still be up there though
I don't understand this whole big battle thing. If I were the White Walkers, I'd just keep doing business as usual on a larger scale. Bypass Winterfell and instead guerrilla the fuck out of Westeros while Jono and crew are waiting it out in their castle. Do this shit up like a zombie plague. Hard for dragons and dragon glass to kill your undead troops if they don't know where they are and aren't grouped up. Send most out in raiding groups and take Westeros in 2 weeks with nobody expecting it in the south. Only people left are those Winterfell fuckers and there's a nice zombie dragon waiting to fuck them all up.
Oh yeah, forgot that there wouldn't be good drama to watch, then :(
Next episode ppl who r gonna die:
Grey Worm (100% gonna die next episode)
Jorah (but he'll kill some walkers first)
Hound + Lord of Light man
Brienne (she'll die valiantly and it will be very emotional)
Wildling guy who drinks giants milk
Sam and Jon's Night Watch buddy (idk his name)
Spoilerstill no elephants[close]
Next episode ppl who r gonna die:
Grey Worm (100% gonna die next episode)
Jorah (but he'll kill some walkers first)
Hound + Lord of Light man
Brienne (she'll die valiantly and it will be very emotional)
Wildling guy who drinks giants milk
Sam and Jon's Night Watch buddy (idk his name)
and Theon
I don't understand this whole big battle thing. If I were the White Walkers, I'd just keep doing business as usual on a larger scale. Bypass Winterfell and instead guerrilla the fuck out of Westeros while Jono and crew are waiting it out in their castle. Do this shit up like a zombie plague. Hard for dragons and dragon glass to kill your undead troops if they don't know where they are and aren't grouped up. Send most out in raiding groups and take Westeros in 2 weeks with nobody expecting it in the south. Only people left are those Winterfell fuckers and there's a nice zombie dragon waiting to fuck them all up.
Oh yeah, forgot that there wouldn't be good drama to watch, then :(
it would turn into the walking dead which nobody likes so :-X
*cares more and completely outraged about line of succession than incest*SpoilerDaenerys didn't seem too pleased finding out that Jon is the rightful heir to the Iron Throne, and made it quite clear that only a few people close to Jon know the truth. Will she try to have him killed? Maybe not, but I doubt he'll end up on the throne. With every episode, I dislike Daenerys more and more.[close]
I think most characters who are irrelevant/fufilled all story arc will die
Night king will attack South and not be at the battle but fucking up the South
The cripts skeletons will rise up, fuck up the women and children, get them risen up and then attack winterfell from inside and either winterfell is lost and Jon and Dany choose to burn it down and all people/wights or theyll be like fuck lets do something no one will guess and 50% humans die 80% wights die and its a stalemate/pyrrhic victory for the living and its all sad because everyone that you loved over the years is dead.
Oh and obviously Hodor will reappear as a wight (hell, Ramsay Bolton might well be one too if his corpse is still there-can see his wight as one of the first to attack the women/children).
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Spoilerwhy did they choose to put everyone in the crypt? That doesn’t even really make snes[close]
Spoilerso who the fuck is actually dead?
Jorah, Ed and Theon = deaf af
anyone else bite it that I'm forgetting?
Sam really should have died like holy fuck, the man was on the ground 4 times at least
Also convenient how every commoner dies and its just 15 main characters and a dragon who survive
Overall super good episode, the sudden Arya KO of the Night King caught me off-guard big time[close]
SpoilerAm I the only one who is just pissed at how the boys handled the siege?
We have a row of spikes, a wall and other things to make choke-points against our numerically superior foe. Let's have our most elite force STAND IN FRONT OF IT AND DIE by getting overrun whilst we are outnumbered 1000 to 1??? If they had gone behind their spikes from the start, the walkers would've piled onto the spikes and made their little bridges. Yes,they would still have to fight a lot of choke-points. But, this would be better than fighting a sea of enemies in the open, when you can barely see the enemy coming. The walkers would then also be in range for the archers on the walls. And with the unsullied armed with spears they could hold them off for much longer than whatever the fuck that was.
But first, let's have our dothraki boys yolo into our enemy to add to their numbers because we weren't outnumbered enough already.
And oh yeah. Let's put our trebuchets in front of the boys and USE THEM ONCE :)
Then the actual battle is just really close up shots so you can barely see what is happening, which GoT has done before. I suppose it shows how chaotic a battle is, but on the other hand you have no real clue what is going on and it makes for very conflicting scenes.
In one shot you see 500 walkers charging at someone, and in the next shot that person chops down 3 and is fine. Where did those other 497 wights go?
You know there is an endless horde of dead cunts coming, but sammyboy gets knocked down 100x and then somehow has time to get up and run his fat ass inside. Did those thousands of wights just decide to give him a head start or something.
I know it doesn't matter in the end because the result of the fight would still be the same, with the Night King dying and all that, but the whole battle was just very disappointing and unenjoyable for me.
Also feel like a lot more main characters should've died.
Feels very convenient that Brienne Pod Jaime Tormund Gendry somehow were the only survivors of the front lines.
Daenerys landing her fucking dragon???
Jorah coming out of fucking nowhere when he was last seen on the front line??
This stuff doesn't bother me that much normally, but it does when it happens a million times in one episode.
Idk, this was one of the worst episodes imo.[close]
SpoilerAm I the only one who is just pissed at how the boys handled the siege?
We have a row of spikes, a wall and other things to make choke-points against our numerically superior foe. Let's have our most elite force STAND IN FRONT OF IT AND DIE by getting overrun whilst we are outnumbered 1000 to 1??? If they had gone behind their spikes from the start, the walkers would've piled onto the spikes and made their little bridges. Yes,they would still have to fight a lot of choke-points. But, this would be better than fighting a sea of enemies in the open, when you can barely see the enemy coming. The walkers would then also be in range for the archers on the walls. And with the unsullied armed with spears they could hold them off for much longer than whatever the fuck that was.
But first, let's have our dothraki boys yolo into our enemy to add to their numbers because we weren't outnumbered enough already.
And oh yeah. Let's put our trebuchets in front of the boys and USE THEM ONCE :)
Then the actual battle is just really close up shots so you can barely see what is happening, which GoT has done before. I suppose it shows how chaotic a battle is, but on the other hand you have no real clue what is going on and it makes for very conflicting scenes.
In one shot you see 500 walkers charging at someone, and in the next shot that person chops down 3 and is fine. Where did those other 497 wights go?
You know there is an endless horde of dead cunts coming, but sammyboy gets knocked down 100x and then somehow has time to get up and run his fat ass inside. Did those thousands of wights just decide to give him a head start or something.
I know it doesn't matter in the end because the result of the fight would still be the same, with the Night King dying and all that, but the whole battle was just very disappointing and unenjoyable for me.
Also feel like a lot more main characters should've died.
Feels very convenient that Brienne Pod Jaime Tormund Gendry somehow were the only survivors of the front lines.
Daenerys landing her fucking dragon???
Jorah coming out of fucking nowhere when he was last seen on the front line??
This stuff doesn't bother me that much normally, but it does when it happens a million times in one episode.
Idk, this was one of the worst episodes imo.[close]
SpoilerAm I the only one who is just pissed at how the boys handled the siege?
We have a row of spikes, a wall and other things to make choke-points against our numerically superior foe. Let's have our most elite force STAND IN FRONT OF IT AND DIE by getting overrun whilst we are outnumbered 1000 to 1??? If they had gone behind their spikes from the start, the walkers would've piled onto the spikes and made their little bridges. Yes,they would still have to fight a lot of choke-points. But, this would be better than fighting a sea of enemies in the open, when you can barely see the enemy coming. The walkers would then also be in range for the archers on the walls. And with the unsullied armed with spears they could hold them off for much longer than whatever the fuck that was.
But first, let's have our dothraki boys yolo into our enemy to add to their numbers because we weren't outnumbered enough already.
And oh yeah. Let's put our trebuchets in front of the boys and USE THEM ONCE :)
Then the actual battle is just really close up shots so you can barely see what is happening, which GoT has done before. I suppose it shows how chaotic a battle is, but on the other hand you have no real clue what is going on and it makes for very conflicting scenes.
In one shot you see 500 walkers charging at someone, and in the next shot that person chops down 3 and is fine. Where did those other 497 wights go?
You know there is an endless horde of dead cunts coming, but sammyboy gets knocked down 100x and then somehow has time to get up and run his fat ass inside. Did those thousands of wights just decide to give him a head start or something.
I know it doesn't matter in the end because the result of the fight would still be the same, with the Night King dying and all that, but the whole battle was just very disappointing and unenjoyable for me.
Also feel like a lot more main characters should've died.
Feels very convenient that Brienne Pod Jaime Tormund Gendry somehow were the only survivors of the front lines.
Daenerys landing her fucking dragon???
Jorah coming out of fucking nowhere when he was last seen on the front line??
This stuff doesn't bother me that much normally, but it does when it happens a million times in one episode.
Idk, this was one of the worst episodes imo.[close]SpoilerWell the whole strategy revolved around luring the Night King out so that they could 2v1 him with dragons. But then Daenarys attacked too early after the Dothraki died.[close]
SpoilerAm I the only one who is just pissed at how the boys handled the siege?
We have a row of spikes, a wall and other things to make choke-points against our numerically superior foe. Let's have our most elite force STAND IN FRONT OF IT AND DIE by getting overrun whilst we are outnumbered 1000 to 1??? If they had gone behind their spikes from the start, the walkers would've piled onto the spikes and made their little bridges. Yes,they would still have to fight a lot of choke-points. But, this would be better than fighting a sea of enemies in the open, when you can barely see the enemy coming. The walkers would then also be in range for the archers on the walls. And with the unsullied armed with spears they could hold them off for much longer than whatever the fuck that was.
But first, let's have our dothraki boys yolo into our enemy to add to their numbers because we weren't outnumbered enough already.
And oh yeah. Let's put our trebuchets in front of the boys and USE THEM ONCE :)
Then the actual battle is just really close up shots so you can barely see what is happening, which GoT has done before. I suppose it shows how chaotic a battle is, but on the other hand you have no real clue what is going on and it makes for very conflicting scenes.
In one shot you see 500 walkers charging at someone, and in the next shot that person chops down 3 and is fine. Where did those other 497 wights go?
You know there is an endless horde of dead cunts coming, but sammyboy gets knocked down 100x and then somehow has time to get up and run his fat ass inside. Did those thousands of wights just decide to give him a head start or something.
I know it doesn't matter in the end because the result of the fight would still be the same, with the Night King dying and all that, but the whole battle was just very disappointing and unenjoyable for me.
Also feel like a lot more main characters should've died.
Feels very convenient that Brienne Pod Jaime Tormund Gendry somehow were the only survivors of the front lines.
Daenerys landing her fucking dragon???
Jorah coming out of fucking nowhere when he was last seen on the front line??
This stuff doesn't bother me that much normally, but it does when it happens a million times in one episode.
Idk, this was one of the worst episodes imo.[close]
The plot (armor) thickens..SpoilerI 100% agree. Whoever thought of their strategy going into this better have been killed in the battle. Lets give the dothraki flaming swords so at least it looks cool as they suicide charge into an army they cant even see. And then, adding onto the whole chokepoint situation, why didnt they reserve a whole lot more people to get on those walls which is clearly the best place to defend in a siege? I get that from a story perspective they want their ups and downs for the heroes and so on, but after losing the battle outside the walls they could have at least made a better effort inside the walls..
I'm not sure about this one, but I thought in the last episode they mentioned something about using Bran as bait to ambush the Night King? Seems like the only one following that plan was Arya and I guess that worked out. And I mean, I knew Theon was a beta boi but did he have to die like that? holy shit[close]
SpoilerAt the same time though, they didn't expect to survive the siege no matter what. The problem is they wanted the Night King to attack, otherwise he would have just sat there and waited to starve them out right.
anyways, looking at the trailer for the next episode there are thousands of unsullied that magically popped out of the ground.[close]
I agree, pretty disapointed tbh, 9 years spent waiting for it and then plop in 1 hour.SpoilerBit odd that they build up the NK for 8 seasons and its all over in episode 3 and lets be honest no BIG characters die like wtf.[close]
SpoilerBit odd that they build up the NK for 8 seasons and its all over in episode 3 and lets be honest no BIG characters die like wtf.[close]
that’s my main takeaway as wellSpoilerBit odd that they build up the NK for 8 seasons and its all over in episode 3 and lets be honest no BIG characters die like wtf.[close]
SpoilerAm I the only one who is just pissed at how the boys handled the siege?
We have a row of spikes, a wall and other things to make choke-points against our numerically superior foe. Let's have our most elite force STAND IN FRONT OF IT AND DIE by getting overrun whilst we are outnumbered 1000 to 1??? If they had gone behind their spikes from the start, the walkers would've piled onto the spikes and made their little bridges. Yes,they would still have to fight a lot of choke-points. But, this would be better than fighting a sea of enemies in the open, when you can barely see the enemy coming. The walkers would then also be in range for the archers on the walls. And with the unsullied armed with spears they could hold them off for much longer than whatever the fuck that was.
But first, let's have our dothraki boys yolo into our enemy to add to their numbers because we weren't outnumbered enough already.
And oh yeah. Let's put our trebuchets in front of the boys and USE THEM ONCE :)
Then the actual battle is just really close up shots so you can barely see what is happening, which GoT has done before. I suppose it shows how chaotic a battle is, but on the other hand you have no real clue what is going on and it makes for very conflicting scenes.
In one shot you see 500 walkers charging at someone, and in the next shot that person chops down 3 and is fine. Where did those other 497 wights go?
You know there is an endless horde of dead cunts coming, but sammyboy gets knocked down 100x and then somehow has time to get up and run his fat ass inside. Did those thousands of wights just decide to give him a head start or something.
I know it doesn't matter in the end because the result of the fight would still be the same, with the Night King dying and all that, but the whole battle was just very disappointing and unenjoyable for me.
Also feel like a lot more main characters should've died.
Feels very convenient that Brienne Pod Jaime Tormund Gendry somehow were the only survivors of the front lines.
Daenerys landing her fucking dragon???
Jorah coming out of fucking nowhere when he was last seen on the front line??
This stuff doesn't bother me that much normally, but it does when it happens a million times in one episode.
Idk, this was one of the worst episodes imo.[close]
The cripts skeletons will rise up, fuck up the women and children,
wow I can’t believe you were able to predict that!The cripts skeletons will rise up, fuck up the women and children,
SpoilerAm I the only one who is just pissed at how the boys handled the siege?
We have a row of spikes, a wall and other things to make choke-points against our numerically superior foe. Let's have our most elite force STAND IN FRONT OF IT AND DIE by getting overrun whilst we are outnumbered 1000 to 1??? If they had gone behind their spikes from the start, the walkers would've piled onto the spikes and made their little bridges. Yes,they would still have to fight a lot of choke-points. But, this would be better than fighting a sea of enemies in the open, when you can barely see the enemy coming. The walkers would then also be in range for the archers on the walls. And with the unsullied armed with spears they could hold them off for much longer than whatever the fuck that was.
But first, let's have our dothraki boys yolo into our enemy to add to their numbers because we weren't outnumbered enough already.
And oh yeah. Let's put our trebuchets in front of the boys and USE THEM ONCE :)
Then the actual battle is just really close up shots so you can barely see what is happening, which GoT has done before. I suppose it shows how chaotic a battle is, but on the other hand you have no real clue what is going on and it makes for very conflicting scenes.
In one shot you see 500 walkers charging at someone, and in the next shot that person chops down 3 and is fine. Where did those other 497 wights go?
You know there is an endless horde of dead cunts coming, but sammyboy gets knocked down 100x and then somehow has time to get up and run his fat ass inside. Did those thousands of wights just decide to give him a head start or something.
I know it doesn't matter in the end because the result of the fight would still be the same, with the Night King dying and all that, but the whole battle was just very disappointing and unenjoyable for me.
Also feel like a lot more main characters should've died.
Feels very convenient that Brienne Pod Jaime Tormund Gendry somehow were the only survivors of the front lines.
Daenerys landing her fucking dragon???
Jorah coming out of fucking nowhere when he was last seen on the front line??
This stuff doesn't bother me that much normally, but it does when it happens a million times in one episode.
Idk, this was one of the worst episodes imo.[close]
I said the same this morning.SpoilerAm I the only one who is just pissed at how the boys handled the siege?
We have a row of spikes, a wall and other things to make choke-points against our numerically superior foe. Let's have our most elite force STAND IN FRONT OF IT AND DIE by getting overrun whilst we are outnumbered 1000 to 1??? If they had gone behind their spikes from the start, the walkers would've piled onto the spikes and made their little bridges. Yes,they would still have to fight a lot of choke-points. But, this would be better than fighting a sea of enemies in the open, when you can barely see the enemy coming. The walkers would then also be in range for the archers on the walls. And with the unsullied armed with spears they could hold them off for much longer than whatever the fuck that was.
But first, let's have our dothraki boys yolo into our enemy to add to their numbers because we weren't outnumbered enough already.
And oh yeah. Let's put our trebuchets in front of the boys and USE THEM ONCE :)
Then the actual battle is just really close up shots so you can barely see what is happening, which GoT has done before. I suppose it shows how chaotic a battle is, but on the other hand you have no real clue what is going on and it makes for very conflicting scenes.
In one shot you see 500 walkers charging at someone, and in the next shot that person chops down 3 and is fine. Where did those other 497 wights go?
You know there is an endless horde of dead cunts coming, but sammyboy gets knocked down 100x and then somehow has time to get up and run his fat ass inside. Did those thousands of wights just decide to give him a head start or something.
I know it doesn't matter in the end because the result of the fight would still be the same, with the Night King dying and all that, but the whole battle was just very disappointing and unenjoyable for me.
Also feel like a lot more main characters should've died.
Feels very convenient that Brienne Pod Jaime Tormund Gendry somehow were the only survivors of the front lines.
Daenerys landing her fucking dragon???
Jorah coming out of fucking nowhere when he was last seen on the front line??
This stuff doesn't bother me that much normally, but it does when it happens a million times in one episode.
Idk, this was one of the worst episodes imo.[close]
Absolutely agree with youSpoilerThat Dothraki charge and even their battle position was just a big joke but in my opinion it was Dothraki who decided to charge since I didnt hear a single command they were just horny for a fight. Snow surrounded by thousands of night walkers yet he manage to S key out of them smashing his sword thousand times. With that stamina he would have won all the Olympic games. Main characters being pinned down and being eaten alive by walkers yet at the end they survive? Death dragon who splits fire like nothing yet when he sees Snow standing right infront of him he takes his time? Daen with Drogon staying in middle of walkers letting them climb up on the dragon? Death dragon using fire against Daen the unburnt and another dragon? From all the ppl there defending the castle they managed to have just 50 archers?
As you said GoT was never about some heroic bullshit. Everyone could die immediately. If they didnt fuck up the battle tactic they didnt have to make it that heroic. As for unsullied I didnt think that they would hold even against death, however why the fuck would you let your most loyal and elite units to die like that?
The story was actually good but the battle...
I could have been mistaken with some things I wrote above so please if you have any ideas let me know.[close]
Unless they do a completely unexpected twist, this might be the most predictable finale in history.
Unless they do a completely unexpected twist, this might be the most predictable finale in history.
There is still SOME hope for a twist. GRRM has already stated that the ending to the show will be "similar" to the ending of the books. How similar? I guess we'll have to wait. GRRM has also stated numerous times about how the ending will be "bittersweet" for the books. So if the two endings will be similar, there is SOME hope for the bittersweet ending which could be a twist.
Will Daario come back next episode to replenish army and create love life drama/end incest drama?
Unless they do a completely unexpected twist, this might be the most predictable finale in history.
There is still SOME hope for a twist. GRRM has already stated that the ending to the show will be "similar" to the ending of the books. How similar? I guess we'll have to wait. GRRM has also stated numerous times about how the ending will be "bittersweet" for the books. So if the two endings will be similar, there is SOME hope for the bittersweet ending which could be a twist.SpoilerThis is the only way I see it going down that would be a genuine shocker (at least to the wider audience):
Dany unleashes her inner Targ and goes full-blown batshit insane trying to take out Cersei and capture King's Landing. By this, I mean she is willing to do literally anything to win, and that includes burning down the whole fucking city, along with its 500,000 inhabitants. Jon, being the virtuous man he is, will object (and probably Tyrion as well), forcing Dany to make a decision. This will then lead do Dany doing something so incredibly vile that Jon is forced to kill her, thus fulfilling the prophecy of Azor Ahai and finishing off this mess once and for all.
As for the rest:
Massive battle ensues where they find a way to kill off some other characters.
Arya slits Cersei's neck (she hasn't shut any green eyes has she?).
Jaimie switches sides and dies defending Cersei.
Bronn finally chooses friendship over money and switches (I hope).
Yara swoops in with the Ironborn and dukes it out against her fellow islanders when shit hits the fan, potentially taking out Euron.
Cleganebowl, which at this point is obvious.
Considering the rest of my death predictions got fucked by last week's episode, I won't bother guessing who else is on the chopping block.[close]
Unless they do a completely unexpected twist, this might be the most predictable finale in history.
There is still SOME hope for a twist. GRRM has already stated that the ending to the show will be "similar" to the ending of the books. How similar? I guess we'll have to wait. GRRM has also stated numerous times about how the ending will be "bittersweet" for the books. So if the two endings will be similar, there is SOME hope for the bittersweet ending which could be a twist.SpoilerThis is the only way I see it going down that would be a genuine shocker (at least to the wider audience):
Dany unleashes her inner Targ and goes full-blown batshit insane trying to take out Cersei and capture King's Landing. By this, I mean she is willing to do literally anything to win, and that includes burning down the whole fucking city, along with its 500,000 inhabitants. Jon, being the virtuous man he is, will object (and probably Tyrion as well), forcing Dany to make a decision. This will then lead do Dany doing something so incredibly vile that Jon is forced to kill her, thus fulfilling the prophecy of Azor Ahai and finishing off this mess once and for all.
As for the rest:
Massive battle ensues where they find a way to kill off some other characters.
Arya slits Cersei's neck (she hasn't shut any green eyes has she?).
Jaimie switches sides and dies defending Cersei.
Bronn finally chooses friendship over money and switches (I hope).
Yara swoops in with the Ironborn and dukes it out against her fellow islanders when shit hits the fan, potentially taking out Euron.
Cleganebowl, which at this point is obvious.
Considering the rest of my death predictions got fucked by last week's episode, I won't bother guessing who else is on the chopping block.[close]
Unless they do a completely unexpected twist, this might be the most predictable finale in history.
There is still SOME hope for a twist. GRRM has already stated that the ending to the show will be "similar" to the ending of the books. How similar? I guess we'll have to wait. GRRM has also stated numerous times about how the ending will be "bittersweet" for the books. So if the two endings will be similar, there is SOME hope for the bittersweet ending which could be a twist.SpoilerThis is the only way I see it going down that would be a genuine shocker (at least to the wider audience):
Dany unleashes her inner Targ and goes full-blown batshit insane trying to take out Cersei and capture King's Landing. By this, I mean she is willing to do literally anything to win, and that includes burning down the whole fucking city, along with its 500,000 inhabitants. Jon, being the virtuous man he is, will object (and probably Tyrion as well), forcing Dany to make a decision. This will then lead do Dany doing something so incredibly vile that Jon is forced to kill her, thus fulfilling the prophecy of Azor Ahai and finishing off this mess once and for all.
As for the rest:
Massive battle ensues where they find a way to kill off some other characters.
Arya slits Cersei's neck (she hasn't shut any green eyes has she?).
Jaimie switches sides and dies defending Cersei.
Bronn finally chooses friendship over money and switches (I hope).
Yara swoops in with the Ironborn and dukes it out against her fellow islanders when shit hits the fan, potentially taking out Euron.
Cleganebowl, which at this point is obvious.
Considering the rest of my death predictions got fucked by last week's episode, I won't bother guessing who else is on the chopping block.[close]Spoilerisnt there a prophecy where Cersei gets killed by a younger brother?[close]
Gives me a Star Wars vibe, all of this.
SpoilerThe long night turned out to be more of an unpleasant evening[close]
This is great.Spoilerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrU1SGDdViY[close]
Coherent storytelling was basically yeeted out the back door when Dany crossed the Narrow Sea, if not sooner.This is great.Spoilerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrU1SGDdViY[close]
I never read the books or heard about this prophecy, but I love how it sounds like 10times more exciting with 10 times more drama (Which I am sure the showriters would love to have) than whatever the fuck they did.
SpoilerWhy in the ever living fuck would you take your Dragons and best troops out to sea when you know crazy discount Jack Sparrow and his badass fleet are out there? Are you fucking kidding with me?[close]
SpoilerWhy in the ever living fuck would you take your Dragons and best troops out to sea when you know crazy discount Jack Sparrow and his badass fleet are out there? Are you fucking kidding with me?[close]Spoilerehat I want to know is how tf did they reload those scorpions so fast[close]
im disappointedHonestly, it's just being set up for a Dany v Snow (at least I think) that leaves the crowd crying. Still hope a better twist comes though.
Anyone got a link to the leaked endings?I don't think they leaked the ending, only parts of ep4 and 5
In one scene D&D are shoehorning muh female power dialogue "you're not the only one who is smart", "she's too strong for him", "you don't need a cock to rule" and other estrogen-laced political statementsSpoilerNext scene they're beheading a female WOMAN OF COLOUR (racist) and sending Twitter + The Independent into meltdown...[close]
Needless to say I've actually begun to enjoy this season!
SpoilerI think Ghost got fucked over the hardest here. Pup sticks with his master through everything, only to get left behind without so much as a simple pat on the head. Ridiculous.[close]SpoilerAlso, how in the fuck did Tyrion know Cersei is pregnant? Did Jaime relay information or notice a stomach bulge? His knowledge of the pregnancy should also make it obvious to Euron that it isn't his kid, but hey what the fuck you gonna do it's D&D.[close]
Spoilerso euron has never fired the ballista thing at a dragon before and they just fuckin snipe a dragon out of no where (those shots were 3/3 I think)??? ok lol, and somehow a dragon (sort of like an airplane) just doesn’t see an entire fleet of ships on a sunny day in the water?????? Some dogshit writing from D&D, fucking clowns. Such a great show that went down the drain after e2 this season[close]
Spoilerso euron has never fired the ballista thing at a dragon before and they just fuckin snipe a dragon out of no where (those shots were 3/3 I think)??? ok lol, and somehow a dragon (sort of like an airplane) just doesn’t see an entire fleet of ships on a sunny day in the water?????? Some dogshit writing from D&D, fucking clowns. Such a great show that went down the drain after e2 this season[close]
Spoilerso euron has never fired the ballista thing at a dragon before and they just fuckin snipe a dragon out of no where (those shots were 3/3 I think)??? ok lol, and somehow a dragon (sort of like an airplane) just doesn’t see an entire fleet of ships on a sunny day in the water?????? Some dogshit writing from D&D, fucking clowns. Such a great show that went down the drain after e2 this season[close]
Spoilerso euron has never fired the ballista thing at a dragon before and they just fuckin snipe a dragon out of no where (those shots were 3/3 I think)??? ok lol, and somehow a dragon (sort of like an airplane) just doesn’t see an entire fleet of ships on a sunny day in the water?????? Some dogshit writing from D&D, fucking clowns. Such a great show that went down the drain after e2 this season[close]
Yeah, it went down the drain years before season 8.
Spoilerso euron has never fired the ballista thing at a dragon before and they just fuckin snipe a dragon out of no where (those shots were 3/3 I think)??? ok lol, and somehow a dragon (sort of like an airplane) just doesn’t see an entire fleet of ships on a sunny day in the water?????? Some dogshit writing from D&D, fucking clowns. Such a great show that went down the drain after e2 this season[close]
yeah that was so absurd. I couldn't believe it, especially how fast they reloaded and Dany's ships had no counter. It was pretty lame tbh
Spoilerso euron has never fired the ballista thing at a dragon before and they just fuckin snipe a dragon out of no where (those shots were 3/3 I think)??? ok lol, and somehow a dragon (sort of like an airplane) just doesn’t see an entire fleet of ships on a sunny day in the water?????? Some dogshit writing from D&D, fucking clowns. Such a great show that went down the drain after e2 this season[close]SpoilerThen he and his fleet proceed to literally barrage the other dragon with their ballistas and miss every shot lmao[close]
Spoilerso euron has never fired the ballista thing at a dragon before and they just fuckin snipe a dragon out of no where (those shots were 3/3 I think)??? ok lol, and somehow a dragon (sort of like an airplane) just doesn’t see an entire fleet of ships on a sunny day in the water?????? Some dogshit writing from D&D, fucking clowns. Such a great show that went down the drain after e2 this season[close]
Yeah, it went down the drain years before season 8.
I agree to an extent, it was steadily declining but this season is just outright awful (especially e3 and e4). Just all about shock moments and shit to cater to the casual crowd who think this season is magnificent.SpoilerSpoilerso euron has never fired the ballista thing at a dragon before and they just fuckin snipe a dragon out of no where (those shots were 3/3 I think)??? ok lol, and somehow a dragon (sort of like an airplane) just doesn’t see an entire fleet of ships on a sunny day in the water?????? Some dogshit writing from D&D, fucking clowns. Such a great show that went down the drain after e2 this season[close]
yeah that was so absurd. I couldn't believe it, especially how fast they reloaded and Dany's ships had no counter. It was pretty lame tbhSpoilerso euron has never fired the ballista thing at a dragon before and they just fuckin snipe a dragon out of no where (those shots were 3/3 I think)??? ok lol, and somehow a dragon (sort of like an airplane) just doesn’t see an entire fleet of ships on a sunny day in the water?????? Some dogshit writing from D&D, fucking clowns. Such a great show that went down the drain after e2 this season[close]SpoilerThen he and his fleet proceed to literally barrage the other dragon with their ballistas and miss every shot lmao[close]
also the fact they're mounted on a ship, you'd think that would fuck with their accuracy with all the rocking and whatnot. but yea --- drogon, the biggest target that is at a much closer distance than the other dragon at an easier angle than the other shots.... 0/100.[close]
This is the best season of GoT by far.I hope you're joking
Bittersweet my ass, the show has truly gone down the shitter to the point of no return. Any writer or magical scene cannot save it without being thoroughly and utterly assfucked 'til kingdom come. No matter what happens, the plot has been already been watered down, character arcs blown to bits, and expectations completely subverted in the worst possible manner. This is going to be the equivalent of taking a steak out to marinate, cooking it out in the Mojave sands, forget about it for a month, and then serve it to the public expecting a Michelin Star for your valiant effort. The finale may very well go down as one of the most lackluster (and possibly the worst) of a tv show with this scale and budget. At least you tried D&D, moronic twats.
Dw hes drinking giant milk in the far north nowSpoilerJon not petting Ghost has caused me great anguish[close]
Good point but you have to remeber all good writers died while travelling across the narrow seaSpoilerI don't understand why they returned to dragon-stone tbh. Would have been more useful to have simply marched down and gathered more forces along the way. Given how most of the Riverlands, Reach, Stormlands as well as Dorne currently have armies that are either already declared against Cersei or have no warden (Stormlands, Reach and Riverlands have been vacant for a while now.)[close]
I am just not able to accept that your average college student can come up with a better plot than Dumb and Dumber.+1
Jesus fuck how bad can you be at writing. Every single time they explain character decisions in those videos they upload after an episode aired I can't stop cringing.
Oh, and speaking of television, don’t believe everything you read. Internet reports are notoriously unreliable. We have had five different GAME OF THRONES successor shows in development (I mislike the term “spinoffs”) at HBO, and three of them are still moving forward nicely. The one I am not supposed to call THE LONG NIGHT will be shooting later this year, and two other shows remain in the script stage, but are edging closer. What are they about? I cannot say. But maybe some of you should pick up a copy of FIRE & BLOOD and come up with your own theories.
Will he ever finish the next book?He probably has already finished Winds of Winter and is just waiting for the show to end or something like that. I fully expect A Dream of Spring to be finished by 2030 though!
I hate this showSpoiler1. Like noone noticed Jamie was gone?
2. Dany and Co had a lot of troops for an army that got annihilated by the Night King. Actually prepare the castle for a seige and actually have like shields and helmets and trenches and barricades and have the Golden Company inside the city and archers maybe and the army that's encamped under the walls and etc. Good thing though that Dany made a breech because they didn't have any siege equipment. Have the attackers earn some hard fought victories against the golden company and then we can have the dragon start to take a toll and then have the lannisters start to surrender and the bells start ringing but Dany ignores it or something like that and the killing frenzy begins. Also can't we have Jon Snow stay at the back of his army or whatever and then have the soldiers start to lose order and he has to make the big save and stop the rape or whatever and start to reorganize the men with his lieutenants.
3. Keep Jamie fighting Euron or whatever but make it so that Jamie is like "I gotta end this" or whatever and have Euron being the one trying to stop Jamie from entering the castle, Jamie still wins etc. Then we get Jamie overhears Cersi tell Qyburn to light the wildfire or something and blow the city but Jamie mercs Qyburn on his way out or whatever then kills Cersi so we get that sweet reference that no one needed to the mad king. Jamie can either succumb to his wounds or gets killed by whatever it doesn't matter. You can even have it so Sandor shows up already so the mountain is distracted.
4. Arya, the indy geek that she is, no selling all the explosions
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yeah. wasn't a fan of that one
Spoileractually i was a 100% sure since the e4 that the blue eyes brown eyes and green eyes with arya wasnt about cersei for green eyes but dany[close]
It was a good episode imo, wasn't that bad
It was a good episode imo, wasn't that bad
SpoilerI thought this episode was pretty decent actually, but I still had some issues with it.
I found the whole Arya storyline pretty pointless. It just felt like filler to me.
Jon’s attempts to stop the slaughter felt kinda half arsed.
It’s still dumb that pretty much nobody is using a shield. For the lannister forces it felt like it was just so Greyworm could throw his spear unhindered and initiate the slaughter.
Also didn’t the Greyjoy fleet have a bunch of balistas? But now they only had one?[close]
It was a good episode imo, wasn't that badCompared to the last few yeah but it's still been a bit stupid in places.
That was never explained though?It was a good episode imo, wasn't that badCompared to the last few yeah but it's still been a bit stupid in places.SpoilerSuch as the massive ballista nerfing, Jamie struggling to breathe after the fight with Euron and then being perfectly fine and able to get up to go find Cersei or how they put no ballista's other than on the outer walls and the fleet. I guess the Lannister soldiers never had shields as they didn't expect it to get that far.
I was confused about how there were so many Dothraki as well but apparently according to a few sources half of Daenerys army was hidden/still with the fleet during the battle with the Nightking which if it was true would explain where they came from.[close]
SpoilerI just wanted the night king to speak.. like that's all I ever wanted. He clearly made a deal with Crassus, which would require some sort of logic. Oh well
I..-[close]
I knew I shouldn't have read that piece on the battle of Carrhae right before I came to post on my favorite forum :/SpoilerI just wanted the night king to speak.. like that's all I ever wanted. He clearly made a deal with Crassus, which would require some sort of logic. Oh well
I..-[close]SpoilerWell considering Crassus died in Syria I’m gonna assume you meant Craster[close]
Poor dude got the Viserys treatment.I knew I shouldn't have read that piece on the battle of Carrhae right before I came to post on my favorite forum :/SpoilerI just wanted the night king to speak.. like that's all I ever wanted. He clearly made a deal with Crassus, which would require some sort of logic. Oh well
I..-[close]SpoilerWell considering Crassus died in Syria I’m gonna assume you meant Craster[close]
SpoilerI want to throw up after watching Episode 5. Do D&D have a brain tumor? Are they this stupid? First a few ballista's snipe a dragon and now 2354327053207 ballista's can't hit one dragon who is really fucking close? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST like I am actually pissed off
Euron wounding (killing) Jaime for some dumb fucking reason? Dany just losing her shit after she has practically won? Gregor being unkillable? I actually found myself skipping through parts for the first time ever, I was hoping for a decent scene that badly
and wtf did they do with the Golden company? Were they out of fucking budget? THEY EVEN MADE THE CHARACTER SAY THAT THEY BROUGHT CAVALRY BUT THERE WERE NONE PRESENT? That aside, WHY FORM UP AN ARMY OUTSIDE OF THE WALL AGAIN? Could they not have hired a 12 year old Total War player to do the battle scenes? That would have only cost them €10,- and some chocolate
Lannisters are also meant to be the best trained soldiers in the Seven Kingdoms. How did they get butchered so badly? Where are the formations? Where are the shields? Fighting in tight streets against well trained soldiers should be extremely difficult but this all just seemed a walk over?
How were there still so many Dothraki?
I can't even be bothered thinking about more bullshit
It is almost impressive how inconsistent this show has become. I hope the ratings butcher it. Again, I hope D&D never find a job again after butchering this show that had so much potential
/End rant[close]
SpoilerLooking at the making-of of episode 5, I grew a little bit more understanding of some of the choices made by the writers, right up to the moment of Daenarys decision to burn shit down. There is absolutely no point in it. I thought the whole point was about whether or not let loose the dragon to fight the soldiers/kill cersei because of possible colleteral damage. But she won her fucking victory, the city surrendered, and yet she decides to just start burning civilians. Not just the Red Keep, not just the surrendering soldiers, but just civilians. You can't say 'Well she said would take what is hers with fire and blood' because she WON. And now, obviously, she lost everything. I mean, what is going to be the subject of the finale? Jon Snow spending 1,5 hour debating people whether or not to stab Danearys in the chest?[close]
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;DSpoilerLooking at the making-of of episode 5, I grew a little bit more understanding of some of the choices made by the writers, right up to the moment of Daenarys decision to burn shit down. There is absolutely no point in it. I thought the whole point was about whether or not let loose the dragon to fight the soldiers/kill cersei because of possible colleteral damage. But she won her fucking victory, the city surrendered, and yet she decides to just start burning civilians. Not just the Red Keep, not just the surrendering soldiers, but just civilians. You can't say 'Well she said would take what is hers with fire and blood' because she WON. And now, obviously, she lost everything. I mean, what is going to be the subject of the finale? Jon Snow spending 1,5 hour debating people whether or not to stab Danearys in the chest?[close]SpoilerDaenerys in Season 4: "Oh my days! Drogon has just burned an innocent child, I will now have to lock up the others to act as compensation."
Daenerys in Season 8: "Are those fucking bells I hear? Time to turn this shithole into a heap of ash, along with its 500,000 residents to boot!"[close]
https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers?use_react=false
That petition screams entitlement
Of all the inconsistencies that irked me in that episode, the bit where Jaime claims he doesn't give a shit about the inhabitants of King's Landing was the worst. Visually stunning episode but the writing was total garbage as usual.
Spoileryall ever think that the actual story ended when Jon died and everything after he wakes up is just some weird fever dream in the last moments before he dies[close]
I love every part of this comment. Thank you.SpoilerOne hour before the final episode airs and I’m calling it.
Regardless of whether the white horse has any symbolic significance denoting Arya’s death, we’re not seeing her again. Jon will eventually get word that Arya was seen passing through the Stark camp heading into King’s Landing and, after searching the city for some sign of her, will come to believe that she did indeed perish at the hands of Dany. This will provide the impetus for Jon to realize his betrayal of his actual family in the Starks and kill Dany, cementing himself as the true heir to the iron throne. Drogon will either get warged into by Bran or roll over and become Jon’s puppy. Greyworm will probably either be killed by Jon while he’s attempting to kill Dany, or after the fact by northern loyalists. Sansa, meanwhile, will be throwing a massive fiesta in the north and Tormund will be fucking giants or whatever he does.
I’m sure this will age well[close]
At least I was joined by the Lords of the realm when I laughed at Sam's idea.Sounds like communist propaganda to me.
SpoilerOne hour before the final episode airs and I’m calling it.
Regardless of whether the white horse has any symbolic significance denoting Arya’s death, we’re not seeing her again. Jon will eventually get word that Arya was seen passing through the Stark camp heading into King’s Landing and, after searching the city for some sign of her, will come to believe that she did indeed perish at the hands of Dany. This will provide the impetus for Jon to realize his betrayal of his actual family in the Starks and kill Dany, cementing himself as the true heir to the iron throne. Drogon will either get warged into by Bran or roll over and become Jon’s puppy. Greyworm will probably either be killed by Jon while he’s attempting to kill Dany, or after the fact by northern loyalists. Sansa, meanwhile, will be throwing a massive fiesta in the north and Tormund will be fucking giants or whatever he does.
I’m sure this will age well[close]
Idk if already said or not and I haven’t finished the episode yet but
Drogon burns the throne and kills the throne as the throne killed her not Jon. Deep philosophical shit
Spoilerdunno if i like this or not, i was like wtf bran king ???
and about daenerys ... i can understand she gets a little crazy when she lost many of her advisors but cmon the girl is that dumb ?
at the end its been a good serie, prob the most enjoyable i've ever seen, the first five seasons were great, jon's death was the last major twist then it all became like any other blockbuster, predictable af (except for bran again)
the only thing im a 100% happy about is jon and ghost ;D ;D[close]
"the end" season 6-8?
Atleast they were trying in 5
When did he become white walkers4e7
Spoilerdunno if i like this or not, i was like wtf bran king ???
and about daenerys ... i can understand she gets a little crazy when she lost many of her advisors but cmon the girl is that dumb ?
at the end its been a good serie, prob the most enjoyable i've ever seen, the first five seasons were great, jon's death was the last major twist then it all became like any other blockbuster, predictable af (except for bran again)
the only thing im a 100% happy about is jon and ghost ;D ;D[close]Spoilerwhy not, bran is an absolute unit, the ultimate madman
- he became the night king
- he built the wall
- and then he became the king of the 6 kingdoms
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Spoilerhot blonde woman who rides dragons / badass bastard with a hidden secret < handicapped crow boy[close]
Recently saw this fan edit and it's already 100 times the ending that happened in the show: https://twitter.com/emiliacIarked/status/1131181511246528513 (https://twitter.com/emiliacIarked/status/1131181511246528513)
Edit:SpoilerSo can't Bran just go full tyranny and just kill rebels and dissidents before they even get a chance to go rogue? Is this 1984 but Westeros edition now?[close]
None of your alternative endings will ever beat the original masterpiece:Thanks was looking for this.Spoilerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4FryTzcfJA[close]
Recently saw this fan edit and it's already 100 times the ending that happened in the show: https://twitter.com/emiliacIarked/status/1131181511246528513 (https://twitter.com/emiliacIarked/status/1131181511246528513)wtf that's scary
Edit:SpoilerSo can't Bran just go full tyranny and just kill rebels and dissidents before they even get a chance to go rogue? Is this 1984 but Westeros edition now?[close]
bran was playing the game all alongchina_irl
westeros is now a police state
big bran is watching
Now got has ended anyone got any suggestions for other seriesChernobyl is good
I’ve seen almost all series on Netflix and amazon and tv and here are the top three game of thrones related ones
Black sails for the plots and character building and interactions, amazon prime
Spartacus for the journey of the story and the history and fighting and sex scenes, netflix
Rome for both of them combined and much more, netflix
Now got has ended anyone got any suggestions for other seriesHave a look at "The Terror". My main man Aztir recommended it to me and its great. Only 1 season long but worth a watch.
I’ve seen almost all series on Netflix and amazon and tv and here are the top three game of thrones related ones
Black sails for the plots and character building and interactions, amazon prime
Spartacus for the journey of the story and the history and fighting and sex scenes, netflix
Rome for both of them combined and much more, netflix
Will check it out for sure, thankshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6TZdk1t8Zo
Now got has ended anyone got any suggestions for other series
I’ve seen almost all series on Netflix and amazon and tv and here are the top three game of thrones related ones
Black sails for the plots and character building and interactions, amazon prime
Spartacus for the journey of the story and the history and fighting and sex scenes, netflix
Rome for both of them combined and much more, netflix
When and where is the new one set? I can't find much regarding it, if any has even been released.Now got has ended anyone got any suggestions for other series
I’ve seen almost all series on Netflix and amazon and tv and here are the top three game of thrones related ones
Black sails for the plots and character building and interactions, amazon prime
Spartacus for the journey of the story and the history and fighting and sex scenes, netflix
Rome for both of them combined and much more, netflix
Vikings Season 1-4 is v. good as well I would have put that top 3 after that it goes to shit.
On another note can't wait for amazon prime to RUIN LOTR haha. Still going to watch it when it does come out however.
On another note can't wait for amazon prime to RUIN LOTR haha. Still going to watch it when it does come out however.Unironically this.
When and where is the new one set? I can't find much regarding it, if any has even been released.Now got has ended anyone got any suggestions for other series
I’ve seen almost all series on Netflix and amazon and tv and here are the top three game of thrones related ones
Black sails for the plots and character building and interactions, amazon prime
Spartacus for the journey of the story and the history and fighting and sex scenes, netflix
Rome for both of them combined and much more, netflix
Vikings Season 1-4 is v. good as well I would have put that top 3 after that it goes to shit.
On another note can't wait for amazon prime to RUIN LOTR haha. Still going to watch it when it does come out however.
Last kingdom better than vikings lmao I watched both since the start and can sincerely say last kingdom is a masterpiece but so underviewedNow got has ended anyone got any suggestions for other series
I’ve seen almost all series on Netflix and amazon and tv and here are the top three game of thrones related ones
Black sails for the plots and character building and interactions, amazon prime
Spartacus for the journey of the story and the history and fighting and sex scenes, netflix
Rome for both of them combined and much more, netflix
Vikings Season 1-4 is v. good as well I would have put that top 3 after that it goes to shit.
On another note can't wait for amazon prime to RUIN LOTR haha. Still going to watch it when it does come out however.
Last kingdom better than vikings lmao I watched both since the start and can sincerely say last kingdom is a masterpiece but so underviewedNow got has ended anyone got any suggestions for other series
I’ve seen almost all series on Netflix and amazon and tv and here are the top three game of thrones related ones
Black sails for the plots and character building and interactions, amazon prime
Spartacus for the journey of the story and the history and fighting and sex scenes, netflix
Rome for both of them combined and much more, netflix
Vikings Season 1-4 is v. good as well I would have put that top 3 after that it goes to shit.
On another note can't wait for amazon prime to RUIN LOTR haha. Still going to watch it when it does come out however.
Vikings was good until..(https://i.imgflip.com/59d2e.jpg?a432864)
*major spoiler below*SpoilerRagnar died[close]