I mean i listed a number of valid arguments earlier, as have azhrei diarmuid traersson and zahari, the problem is that certain members of the community respond by calling them rubbish, don't make calls for a polite discussion when its your members that are sabotaging any chance of actually having one
Edit- you'll notice that in clausewitz's attempt to debunk my arguments, he said that some of the difficulties of the lancer class were because i was bad, and called my skill into question, which is where all the mudslinging started