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Title: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: William on January 31, 2015, 07:13:01 am
Before you read this acknowledge that this is a personal opinion that is mutually shared by much of the forum users and is the subject of much controversy but of valid discussion.

Apologies for the spacing problems, I can't seem to fix them.


Napoleonic Wars is a great game, has (although some will argue it had) a great community, and continues to thrive with steam sales and youtube attention. Yet, when we actually look at this game and it's community, what's really happened? Is this game really what it used to be? Will we ever see Battle Cry of Freedom, the return of many of the users who helped build this community? That's the question I have.

Let's look at something. Donations are no doubt needed for a game and there is a lot of validity as to why you need them. Yet, even with the funding it seems like the game we've been promised has barely seen the light of day in terms of released alpha
material. Now if there really is more made, why haven't we seen it? Why let the community continue to move away instead of actually trying to keep them interested. It's at a point of where many of the people who donated to get BCOF will probably have moved on by the time it may be released. Now notice what I said there, may be released. This game has been in development for a LONG time. Now I know that games take time, especially with a small development team such as FSE, but then you have this. There are games out there that were made with smaller budgets, smaller teams, and even less of a community. So why hasn't FSE released much on BCOF besides some alpha screenshots of a few units and then some sliders we can use to edit the faces of the characters. Now, looking at a similar game made by members of the NW community, we can see that they appear to have accomplished far more, with even less. This game has received only a fraction of the donations/funding yet appears to be even stronger then BCOF. This simply doesn't add up. How can a smaller group have more material presentable with less time to work with and with less money. The facts are just not adding up FSE. The dev blogs that  we see are just teasers of scraps that are the equivalent of showing us one piece to a 2000 piece puzzle. It's interesting, but when do we get to see it together, or at least marginally completed so we can have an idea as to where this money is going. Now as of right now,
the latest Developer Blog, Number 25 on Face Customization, was released on August 12th of 2014. Prior to this, Developer Blog 24, the 2nd South Carolina String Band, was released on May 24th of 2014, and even further then that, on April 3rd of 2014, Sounds was released. Now, am I going to calculate that FSE is Illuminati with their dev blog releases? No. However, I will look at the mean average of releases and what we're seeing in terms of change. So from Blog 23 to 24 is 51 days. So for 51 days we essentially saw sounds, and then advanced sounds with music added. Then, with the help of DannyEle, we saw FSE release their face customization blog which came 80 days later. So in that time span we saw sounds go to some sliders. I suppose that this could be seen as progress, but when we look at the actual scale of BCOF devlopment times we're
greeted with the sad reality that this is actually very little. See, looking at the 1st Dev Blog (released on the 17th of November, 2012) we can see the basic planning of FSE in terms of the smaller things like networking. However, the span from Dev Blog 1 to 25 is 553 days. Five Fifty Three. That's a massive number, nearly two years and yet we've only seen a fraction of a game. It really makes you wonder about where this is really going and as to whether we will actually see the light of day for a project that so many have simply abandoned. I've seen friends come and go because FSE's timescale is worse then Valve. I would almost confidently say that FSE is using Valve time on an audience that is only a fraction of the size and that's being forced to play a game that hasn't seen an update in years. Seriously FSE, why do this to your users and fans? Can you at least make a cordial post explaining development? Can we see some sort of implementation of a timeline that's updated weekly or monthly. Example, "This week we've implemented sounds into the muskets and have made the appropriate files and folders to house them". Even the smallest light to keep your community out of the dark. This is not what the community deserves FSE, it really isn't.


Now before you say, but Will, you are just a filthy scrub who has said he's going to leave this community so many times, or that you're just a scrub that is a thing of the past, well you're wrong. There's a reason why I'm still here, and that's hope. Hope that one day this community will go back to the way it used to be, the way it was with dozens of huge regiments, a community that cared about one another and just wanted to help others, a place that helped breed one of the greatest communities I've ever know. It was just a different time back then and I really wish we could see that return with BCOF but it just seems like with the timeline that FSE is taking, there won't be anyone left to play BCOF.

FSE, NW has really changed my life, whether it be good or bad, I've met some of my best friends here, but there comes a time when even someone like me gives up hope on something they've advocated for so long. I hope you read this and can appreciate that I've at least put thought into this and just want to see better for this community. Hear me out FSE, hear me out and deliver.

Regards,
William
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Olafson on January 31, 2015, 05:12:05 pm
... of the smaller things like networking. ...

Networking is the biggest part of the game.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Crescent Glow on January 31, 2015, 05:13:14 pm
... of the smaller things like networking. ...

Networking is the biggest part of the game.

Explain yourself
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Earth Bby on January 31, 2015, 05:29:56 pm
sum it up pls
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Ody on January 31, 2015, 05:34:10 pm
subbed
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Commissar Jdf on January 31, 2015, 05:40:36 pm
...hope that one day this community will go back to the way it used to be, the way it was with dozens of huge regiments, a community that cared about one another and just wanted to help others, a place that helped breed one of the greatest communities I've ever know...

I'm indifferent on the whole WoR vs. BCoF thing, but what I will say is that Will, if you want something done, you gotta do it yourself. Don't wait for the community to decide to do it.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: William on January 31, 2015, 05:44:21 pm
...hope that one day this community will go back to the way it used to be, the way it was with dozens of huge regiments, a community that cared about one another and just wanted to help others, a place that helped breed one of the greatest communities I've ever know...

I'm indifferent on the whole WoR vs. BCoF thing, but what I will say is that Will, if you want something done, you gotta do it yourself. Don't wait for the community to decide to do it.
Well that would mean I'd have to somehow bring back every great leader from old NW and have them comeback somehow. There's no way I can just make the 51st reappear or have all the 1stEPG just come out of nowhere. It's just a fact, I'm not Diplex and I can't attract or sway people with money, I just don't have that sort of ability. That's why I feel BCoF is the uniting factor among everyone that can help bring everyone back to the way things were, just with a new game.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Earth Bby on January 31, 2015, 05:47:35 pm
...hope that one day this community will go back to the way it used to be, the way it was with dozens of huge regiments, a community that cared about one another and just wanted to help others, a place that helped breed one of the greatest communities I've ever know...

I'm indifferent on the whole WoR vs. BCoF thing, but what I will say is that Will, if you want something done, you gotta do it yourself. Don't wait for the community to decide to do it.
Well that would mean I'd have to somehow bring back every great leader from old NW and have them comeback somehow. There's no way I can just make the 51st reappear or have all the 1stEPG just come out of nowhere. It's just a fact, I'm not Diplex and I can't attract or sway people with money, I just don't have that sort of ability. That's why I feel BCoF is the uniting factor among everyone that can help bring everyone back to the way things were, just with a new game.

Not everyone enjoys the Civil War
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Commissar Jdf on January 31, 2015, 05:47:54 pm
...hope that one day this community will go back to the way it used to be, the way it was with dozens of huge regiments, a community that cared about one another and just wanted to help others, a place that helped breed one of the greatest communities I've ever know...

I'm indifferent on the whole WoR vs. BCoF thing, but what I will say is that Will, if you want something done, you gotta do it yourself. Don't wait for the community to decide to do it.
Well that would mean I'd have to somehow bring back every great leader from old NW and have them comeback somehow. There's no way I can just make the 51st reappear or have all the 1stEPG just come out of nowhere. It's just a fact, I'm not Diplex and I can't attract or sway people with money, I just don't have that sort of ability. That's why I feel BCoF is the uniting factor among everyone that can help bring everyone back to the way things were, just with a new game.

Yeah, of course they won't come back. The past is the past and that's that. What you can do though is try to form a regiment and get really big. Other than that, it's just a whine. :P
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: William on January 31, 2015, 06:14:13 pm
...hope that one day this community will go back to the way it used to be, the way it was with dozens of huge regiments, a community that cared about one another and just wanted to help others, a place that helped breed one of the greatest communities I've ever know...

I'm indifferent on the whole WoR vs. BCoF thing, but what I will say is that Will, if you want something done, you gotta do it yourself. Don't wait for the community to decide to do it.
Well that would mean I'd have to somehow bring back every great leader from old NW and have them comeback somehow. There's no way I can just make the 51st reappear or have all the 1stEPG just come out of nowhere. It's just a fact, I'm not Diplex and I can't attract or sway people with money, I just don't have that sort of ability. That's why I feel BCoF is the uniting factor among everyone that can help bring everyone back to the way things were, just with a new game.

Not everyone enjoys the Civil War
I didn't say everyone would, but it would be something that could help bring people together. Just because people don't the like the setting of a new game doesn't mean they won't at least play it or give it a try.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Audiate on January 31, 2015, 06:26:15 pm
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Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Rival on January 31, 2015, 06:27:50 pm
After reading this, I've come to the conclusion.

Spoiler
When William loses hope. Game Over :P
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Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: KurassierNixon on January 31, 2015, 06:37:12 pm
William you have now been awarded the honorary rank of Not-A-Scrub. Anyone down for some War of Rights?
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Rival on January 31, 2015, 06:58:12 pm
I love it how its just jump ship to WoR x3
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: DarkLight on January 31, 2015, 07:10:17 pm
Its obivus that the devs have made some wierd silence pact, not even giving the slightest of details on the forums, maybe they are waiting to release the game in a huge surprise? That would explain why they dont say anything, lol.

For real now, it would be good if they said or released something to show they are still alive and working.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: AlekoTheGreek on January 31, 2015, 09:38:39 pm
william sumed it up perfectly, the initial hype faded away and everything is quiet, especially on the donator board where we used to see something new discussed almost every day ...but i will keep on waiting, patiently :)
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: KurassierNixon on January 31, 2015, 09:52:32 pm
I love it how its just jump ship to WoR x3

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Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Millander on January 31, 2015, 11:52:36 pm
Digging how devs only reply with a cynical correction rather than address the post...
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on February 01, 2015, 12:03:47 am
Digging how devs only reply with a cynical correction rather than address the post...

I think he was trying to do both - "networking is the biggest part of the game" may imply that they are stuck on it for some reason. But I agree, who knows what is going on inside the FSE H.Q.- I still hope that one day they pop up with a finished game say "yeah, we completed all the work lel trololol" :P

ah, my childish fantasies  :-[
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Walko on February 01, 2015, 12:10:40 am
Well said William.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Carson on February 01, 2015, 12:19:37 am
Well said William.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: regwilliam on February 01, 2015, 12:23:27 am
People quit asking if this was me got like 5 messages now people asking if this was me its not xD different William ya fools.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Olafson on February 01, 2015, 01:44:11 am
I said it several times already, the game isn't dead. There was no need to respond to this. Its just very silent at the moment.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Nipplestockings on February 01, 2015, 02:03:19 am
I said it several times already, the game isn't dead. There was no need to respond to this. Its just very silent at the moment.

While it is nice to hear that the game is still in development, I think one of the main points of William's argument is that people are having trouble merely taking your word for it at this point. Of course the game probably isn't dead. That wasn't what was being suggested, or what we're truly worried about. What's happening with most people is that they're losing trust in FSE's ability to be honest and to communicate with the community in a transparent manner. Posts like this certainly don't hurt, but with all respect, they don't improve the situation either.

People want to see progress. It doesn't need to be groundbreaking progress. It can just be a 30 second video of alpha footage, or a new set of maps, or something like that. The fact that it's been months and months, and you don't even have a single skin to show (obviously you probably do have more stuff that's finished, but the point is that we haven't seen it), means the community is getting uneasy. Most of us haven't given up hope completely, or we wouldn't even be inquiring about this anymore. But as the months go on, you lose more and more members of the community. More people who would buy and play BCOF if only they had a little bit of information to keep up their interests.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: William on February 01, 2015, 02:05:45 am
I said it several times already, the game isn't dead. There was no need to respond to this. Its just very silent at the moment.

While it is nice to hear that the game is still in development, I think one of the main points of William's argument is that people are having trouble merely taking your word for it at this point. Of course the game probably isn't dead. That wasn't what was being suggested, or what we're truly worried about. What's happening with most people is that they're losing trust in FSE's ability to be honest and to communicate with the community in a transparent manner. Posts like this certainly don't hurt, but with all respect, they don't improve the situation either.

People want to see progress. It doesn't need to be groundbreaking progress. It can just be a 30 second video of alpha footage, or a new set of maps, or something like that. The fact that it's been months and months, and you don't even have a single skin to show (obviously you probably do have more stuff that's finished, but the point is that we haven't seen it), means the community is getting uneasy. Most of us haven't given up hope completely, or we wouldn't even be inquiring about this anymore. But as the months go on, you lose more and more members of the community. More people who would buy and play BCOF if only they had a little bit of information to keep up their interests.
I couldn't have said it any better myself Stockings, excellent run down and analysis.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Ry1459 on February 01, 2015, 06:32:43 pm
I said it several times already, the game isn't dead. There was no need to respond to this. Its just very silent at the moment.

While it is nice to hear that the game is still in development, I think one of the main points of William's argument is that people are having trouble merely taking your word for it at this point. Of course the game probably isn't dead. That wasn't what was being suggested, or what we're truly worried about. What's happening with most people is that they're losing trust in FSE's ability to be honest and to communicate with the community in a transparent manner. Posts like this certainly don't hurt, but with all respect, they don't improve the situation either.

People want to see progress. It doesn't need to be groundbreaking progress. It can just be a 30 second video of alpha footage, or a new set of maps, or something like that. The fact that it's been months and months, and you don't even have a single skin to show (obviously you probably do have more stuff that's finished, but the point is that we haven't seen it), means the community is getting uneasy. Most of us haven't given up hope completely, or we wouldn't even be inquiring about this anymore. But as the months go on, you lose more and more members of the community. More people who would buy and play BCOF if only they had a little bit of information to keep up their interests.
+1  ;)
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Crescent Glow on February 01, 2015, 06:34:12 pm
+1's should be a bannable offense
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Colbac on February 01, 2015, 06:43:53 pm
I said it several times already, the game isn't dead. There was no need to respond to this. Its just very silent at the moment.

While it is nice to hear that the game is still in development, I think one of the main points of William's argument is that people are having trouble merely taking your word for it at this point. Of course the game probably isn't dead. That wasn't what was being suggested, or what we're truly worried about. What's happening with most people is that they're losing trust in FSE's ability to be honest and to communicate with the community in a transparent manner. Posts like this certainly don't hurt, but with all respect, they don't improve the situation either.

People want to see progress. It doesn't need to be groundbreaking progress. It can just be a 30 second video of alpha footage, or a new set of maps, or something like that. The fact that it's been months and months, and you don't even have a single skin to show (obviously you probably do have more stuff that's finished, but the point is that we haven't seen it), means the community is getting uneasy. Most of us haven't given up hope completely, or we wouldn't even be inquiring about this anymore. But as the months go on, you lose more and more members of the community. More people who would buy and play BCOF if only they had a little bit of information to keep up their interests.
You put it quite well. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Riddlez on February 01, 2015, 06:46:38 pm
Perhaps we may conlcude that FSE hasn't gone much strategically about their development?

I mean, if they'd 'just' release some models and maps every now and again, less people would wonder about if the game was actually dead or not.
The fact that FSE has been making empty promises (such as weekly development blogs, I mean, why even bother?) they can't keep anyway isn't really helping either.

And the valid fact William mentioend in the original post, that the WoR team, which is smaller, has less time and money, is actually making more visible progress.


Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Carson on February 01, 2015, 07:52:44 pm
Vince is awake!
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/U6argU5.png?1)
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Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Julianator1515 on February 01, 2015, 11:42:59 pm
Vince is awake!
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/U6argU5.png?1)
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Thats great
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Tharan on February 02, 2015, 12:22:55 am
Its been 2 years, why not give us a 5 minute demo ?
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Tharan on February 02, 2015, 12:29:53 am
I said it several times already, the game isn't dead. There was no need to respond to this. Its just very silent at the moment.

Its been silent for a year... and since a lot of us gave you money to make this game i think we deserve to see a taste of what our money has turned into?
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Tharan on February 02, 2015, 06:37:18 pm
If anything they got lazy for about a year....
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Betaknight on February 02, 2015, 08:12:35 pm
I hven't seen much progress from FSE since a few months, understandibly if they are slowly working on it, but don't expect me to go donate and shout "sieg heil FSE" until the game goes broke. Until there is more content to show and even one single video of the mechanics, I won't be donating anything. I still have hope for both WoR and BCoF.  I don't want to be in that group of pre-order bugs.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Nipplestockings on February 02, 2015, 11:31:08 pm
I mean, he can afford to spend money on hundreds and hundreds of keys, so he's probably got some form of wealth trickling in. Don't imagine he's got a job himself or he wouldn't be doing what he does.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on February 03, 2015, 12:10:52 am
I mean, he can afford to spend money on hundreds and hundreds of keys, so he's probably got some form of wealth trickling in. Don't imagine he's got a job himself or he wouldn't be doing what he does.

Nah, employers actually look for people with at least a school education these days. Maybe daddy can help...
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Nipplestockings on February 03, 2015, 12:20:22 am
Maybe his job is to farm NW keys for an interested party in China. Soon they will have enough keys to recruit the entire population of China into NW, and the invasion will commence! FOR CHAIRMAN MAO
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Betaknight on February 03, 2015, 01:44:17 am
Thread derailed by the greek again. Curses.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Coconut on February 03, 2015, 05:51:30 am
http://www.metacritic.com/feature/games-that-shed-vaporware-status
3 years is nothing. Especially for an indie developer trying to make a ambition game that has 500 players at once.

I remember seeing Final fantasy 15 at E3 2006. That's almost 10 YEARS! And the demo is only coming out next month, which you could call the beta. Square Enix also a huge development team with millions of dollars to spend. Which FSE does not have those kinds of resources.

So calm down please and put down your pitch forks and let FSE develop this game at their own pace not yours. You are not entitled to chose their pace of development with a donation.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Ody on February 03, 2015, 06:00:15 am
http://www.metacritic.com/feature/games-that-shed-vaporware-status
3 years is nothing. Especially for an indie developer trying to make a ambition game that has 500 players at once.

I remember seeing Final fantasy 15 at e3 2006. That's almost 10 YEARS! And the demo is only coming out next month. Square Enix also a huge development team with millions of dollars to spend.

So calm down please and put down your pitch forks and let FSE develop this game at their own pace not yours. You are not entitled to chose their pace of development.
I love your signature  ::)
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Johann on February 03, 2015, 07:19:53 am
Am I the only one who's lost any sort of hope of BCoF coming out?
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Ody on February 03, 2015, 07:25:01 am
Am I the only one who's lost any sort of hope of BCoF coming out?
I honestly don't care for Battle Cry of Freedom, I'm physicked about Bannerlord II, hoping for a mount and musket type mod
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Newkirk on February 03, 2015, 07:33:37 am
http://www.metacritic.com/feature/games-that-shed-vaporware-status
3 years is nothing. Especially for an indie developer trying to make a ambition game that has 500 players at once.

I remember seeing Final fantasy 15 at e3 2006. That's almost 10 YEARS! And the demo is only coming out next month. Square Enix also a huge development team with millions of dollars to spend.

So calm down please and put down your pitch forks and let FSE develop this game at their own pace not yours. You are not entitled to chose their pace of development.
I love your signature  ::)
Ody for once you and I agree on something.

Nipplestockings said it perfectly a few pages back, when this was announced I was super pumped and would have thrown some money at it if I had the resources, but now any word at all is so few and far between I'm questioning if I'm even going to buy it. Almost three and a half years of NW burnt me out completely and it's been almost five months since I've done any serious regiment business. Just basically what Nipplestockings said, long story short, an update of any kind would be nice.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Physic58 on February 03, 2015, 07:54:48 am
This game will be yesterdays news like DayZ, DayZ took to long to release and other games similar games chipped away at its community
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Tharan on February 03, 2015, 09:53:04 am
Tbf by the tim3 bcof comes out bannerlords will already be out and so will tye next mount and musket
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Coconut on February 03, 2015, 01:44:18 pm
http://www.metacritic.com/feature/games-that-shed-vaporware-status
3 years is nothing. Especially for an indie developer trying to make a ambition game that has 500 players at once.

I remember seeing Final fantasy 15 at e3 2006. That's almost 10 YEARS! And the demo is only coming out next month. Square Enix also a huge development team with millions of dollars to spend.

So calm down please and put down your pitch forks and let FSE develop this game at their own pace not yours. You are not entitled to chose their pace of development.
I love your signature  ::)
Ody for once you and I agree on something.

Nipplestockings said it perfectly a few pages back, when this was announced I was super pumped and would have thrown some money at it if I had the resources, but now any word at all is so few and far between I'm questioning if I'm even going to buy it. Almost three and a half years of NW burnt me out completely and it's been almost five months since I've done any serious regiment business. Just basically what Nipplestockings said, long story short, an update of any kind would be nice.
You shouldn't take your boredom of NW and turn it into frustration of the lack of dev blogs. I would be surprised if there is any NW vets (500+ hours on NW) who isn't burned out of NW by now.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Nipplestockings on February 03, 2015, 02:20:58 pm
I still go back to NW and mess around groupfighting or on 63e siege sometimes. I haven't been in a regiment in at least a year, though. The game is still fun in small doses but its glory days are certainly long past.

I hope BCOF will revive the community but I have my ever present doubts. I personally have very little interest in the game itself - if I were to buy it I would probably just mess around with friends rather than taking it anywhere near as seriously as I did NW.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on February 03, 2015, 04:12:54 pm

You shouldn't take your boredom of NW and turn it into frustration of the lack of dev blogs. I would be surprised if there is any NW vets (500+ hours on NW) who isn't burned out of NW by now.

500+ hours is vet? D:
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Newkirk on February 03, 2015, 07:45:36 pm
http://www.metacritic.com/feature/games-that-shed-vaporware-status
3 years is nothing. Especially for an indie developer trying to make a ambition game that has 500 players at once.

I remember seeing Final fantasy 15 at e3 2006. That's almost 10 YEARS! And the demo is only coming out next month. Square Enix also a huge development team with millions of dollars to spend.

So calm down please and put down your pitch forks and let FSE develop this game at their own pace not yours. You are not entitled to chose their pace of development.
I love your signature  ::)
Ody for once you and I agree on something.

Nipplestockings said it perfectly a few pages back, when this was announced I was super pumped and would have thrown some money at it if I had the resources, but now any word at all is so few and far between I'm questioning if I'm even going to buy it. Almost three and a half years of NW burnt me out completely and it's been almost five months since I've done any serious regiment business. Just basically what Nipplestockings said, long story short, an update of any kind would be nice.
You shouldn't take your boredom of NW and turn it into frustration of the lack of dev blogs. I would be surprised if there is any NW vets (500+ hours on NW) who isn't burned out of NW by now.
Oh no I'm not combining the two, you misunderstand me. I guess what I'm saying is that since I've moved away from NW I've got into other games and communities,  so some updates on BCOF would be great to kind of keep me here, cause I don't really want to leave. :P
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Siwi on February 03, 2015, 08:56:58 pm
Why make a mount and musket type mod for banner lord? Why not make one for Battle Cry of Freedom since the mechanics will already be there... Plus i hate the native up swing, and prefer the upstab NW has.

Instead of reworking the melee mechanics and shit you would literally just need to reskin and adjust stats

Then you have NW with 500 player servers
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Nipplestockings on February 03, 2015, 10:03:47 pm
Yeah, except there will never be enough players to fill 500 player servers. I always thought that was a bit of a pointless feature.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Conway on February 03, 2015, 11:45:38 pm

You shouldn't take your boredom of NW and turn it into frustration of the lack of dev blogs. I would be surprised if there is any NW vets (500+ hours on NW) who isn't burned out of NW by now.

500+ hours is vet? D:
So I'm a vet X 3 + 186? Wonder if I can get a prestige?
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Coconut on February 04, 2015, 09:37:55 am
Why make a mount and musket type mod for banner lord? Why not make one for Battle Cry of Freedom since the mechanics will already be there... Plus i hate the native up swing, and prefer the upstab NW has.

Instead of reworking the melee mechanics and shit you would literally just need to reskin and adjust stats

Then you have NW with 500 player servers
LOL, the upswing from NW came straight from With fire and sword. In the game files its literally called WFaS_UPswing or something like that. I'm pretty sure that bannerlord will implement these kinds of up attacks into spears or at least pikes.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Betaknight on February 04, 2015, 12:22:32 pm
Why make a mount and musket type mod for banner lord? Why not make one for Battle Cry of Freedom since the mechanics will already be there... Plus i hate the native up swing, and prefer the upstab NW has.

Instead of reworking the melee mechanics and shit you would literally just need to reskin and adjust stats

Then you have NW with 500 player servers
Lol lol lol Modding the BCoF engine. Lol.
In seriousness I've already asked that to FSE they said no modding, it may come waaaaay later.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Furrnox on February 04, 2015, 01:24:46 pm
It's the unity engine. Unity is hard to mod since it requires the modders to own the engine (I think).
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: William on February 07, 2015, 12:44:14 am
http://www.metacritic.com/feature/games-that-shed-vaporware-status
3 years is nothing. Especially for an indie developer trying to make a ambition game that has 500 players at once.

I remember seeing Final fantasy 15 at e3 2006. That's almost 10 YEARS! And the demo is only coming out next month. Square Enix also a huge development team with millions of dollars to spend.

So calm down please and put down your pitch forks and let FSE develop this game at their own pace not yours. You are not entitled to chose their pace of development.

In hindsight though they are all games that had a massive audience awaiting them and had been games that changed genre's and received critical claim, last time I checked, FSE doesn't go to E3 or any other large game conventions to show off their products and get hype. For BCoF we're talking about a few thousand who would buy it right off the bat and that's if it comes out soon.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Walko on February 07, 2015, 01:07:29 am
http://www.metacritic.com/feature/games-that-shed-vaporware-status
3 years is nothing. Especially for an indie developer trying to make a ambition game that has 500 players at once.

I remember seeing Final fantasy 15 at E3 2006. That's almost 10 YEARS! And the demo is only coming out next month, which you could call the beta. Square Enix also a huge development team with millions of dollars to spend. Which FSE does not have those kinds of resources.

So calm down please and put down your pitch forks and let FSE develop this game at their own pace not yours. You are not entitled to chose their pace of development with a donation.

The point is that we want to see development, and developer blogs and want to see what is happening, as well as seeing our money go to what we donated, we dont want to be kept in the dark.
Title: Re: My Message to FSE and the NW Community
Post by: Coconut on February 07, 2015, 08:46:14 am
http://www.metacritic.com/feature/games-that-shed-vaporware-status
3 years is nothing. Especially for an indie developer trying to make a ambition game that has 500 players at once.

I remember seeing Final fantasy 15 at E3 2006. That's almost 10 YEARS! And the demo is only coming out next month, which you could call the beta. Square Enix also a huge development team with millions of dollars to spend. Which FSE does not have those kinds of resources.

So calm down please and put down your pitch forks and let FSE develop this game at their own pace not yours. You are not entitled to chose their pace of development with a donation.

The point is that we want to see development, and developer blogs and want to see what is happening, as well as seeing our money go to what we donated, we dont want to be kept in the dark.
No offense but development standards 14000 euros or 16000$ is like nothing lol. Unity engine costs 1500$. Music probably costs thousands more.