these lists are filled with too much old gen trash
In fact, I'm gonna call out every mediocre ass player on this list
I'll go ahead and preface this with my opinion on the whole "old gen vs new gen" debateSpoiler
so, most games have new things constantly being added or changed, making players change the way they play. The devs didn't touch NW melee for 5 years after 2013. Yes, the average player did get better over time, but the top players (Top 10 or Top 20,) already knew how to use the games mechanics...its a 2 attack direction game w/o stamina, everyone uses the same weapon, same stats and theres static blocking. The argument that it took top players 5 years (2012-2017) to learn how to use the games mechanics to their best ability is just laughable. It is the Top players in every game who decide the new meta, not the other 99%. NW's meta (In NA at least) was,
2012-2014: More aggressive playstyles, feints, some chambers.
2015-2016: Counter heavy playstyle, lots of chambers, stuns, some feints but still pretty aggressive.
2017-Now: More passive focused, heavy focus on stuns, holds, kicks, and counter chambering
Again, this was not how EVERY player played, but it was generally the meta
All that changed was the way the top players played, which trickled down into the rest of the community.
I do agree that groupfighting did improve a lot over the years (generally speaking for NA only, again the top regiments and teams were still good at groupfighting), as there was also a shift towards more teamplay in NA in its latter years
gfers: Who-: Mediocre gfer, hardly a carry, just another mediocre 12th boi (would be avg - below avg by 2019 standards)
Maybe I can see an argument for this, but during his time he was one of the best gfers in the game, and he came back in 2015 and still carried. Coconut: better than who-, still mediocre 12th boi
Can't comment too much on his own skill, i put him there because of reputation and what i've heard others say about himzed: Because he was defensive and knew how to block he's one of the best groupfighters ever? Sleek is waaaaay better than his overrated beaner ass ever was. I'm smelling heavy 12th bias here maple.
not bias, i think zzed is overrated by old gens as well (as far as dueling goes, sry bby), but he was one of the best gfers in his time as well, esp in smaller gfs.Zork: I honestly didn't see him play enough, so not entirely sure how good he actually was. My impression of him though from what I can remember is that he wasn't much better than the average 12th normie. (Any jackass can be good in a stacked team)
This guy was really good, maybe he could be moved to an honorable mention, but based off reputation i put him hereBreaches: same as Zork
another player who was considered to be top 3 gfers of his time, but i put him here based on repSteven: Don't remember him being particularly outstanding. Maybe a god by 63e standards but not by good player standards
Put him in here because he was a big carry for 63e and helped them succeed in a competitive scene, him and a few others basically carried 63ePJ: Not really much different from the rest of the spazzy adderall 500 APM 3eVolt kiddos. Don't see how he's on the list but someone like Armada not.
wrong, he was usually always top fragging at 3e GFs and linebattles, i was thereRitZ: Absolutely SHAT on players who couldn't block with 200 hrs or less in the game do to his a-key feints. But would often get stuck in duels or himself shat on when against someone competent. I see Maple loves his 3eVolt/12th kids.
another player put in based on rep, but again he was the 3evolt carry back in the day, for a good 2 yearsDarthJezus: Mediocre. Only a nostalgiafag would consider him good by 2019 standards.
i could agree with you, rep basedBlade: Not a carry, was an average "good" player on in a stacked regiment. He didn't feint much either, his up attack dolphins are all I really remember from him.
another arguement i could seeRedrum: lole just an avg 12th kid
from my understanding he was mainly remembered as a big carry for the 63e in the pastMaple: u suk at gfing lole
lol, tired meme, all i can say is i have more small gf tournament wins than most people in nw and i top fragged in 3e and other regs i was in5hine: this dude was not good at all
put him in based on rep, could be changeddoolists: Achilles: the guy could blockchamber, but not really better than anyone else with sub 25 ping...
he was one of the toughest players for me to duel against, and if i remember he was one of the best (top 5) for a good portion of 2016Ap0c: Never really a great duelist in my opinion; nothing about his playstyle sticks out in my memory.
one of the players i truly accept as my superior, he shut down my playstyle and tammos when he was activePinoy: Don't know why people put this toxic boi on any list really, i feel like he's too afraid to play for extended periods of time so that people would think he's good (instead of just playing with other good players when he is on)
massively underrated played, he had godlike mechanics and game sense when he was prime, he just didn't like to ft7 or compete in tournamentsPointblank: Good player in an age of retards. Would get clapped by most of us by now.
could agree, but he is a 2013/4 legend so i put him hereSilentMan: just because you lost to him maple doesn't make him good.
i never even played against him, but jackie + a lot of others old gens said he was one of the best NA duelists for a whileGhost: Not much of a duelist, much better gfer
lol, guarantee he could come back into the game and be top 5 within a month. he retains a lot of muscle memory, he's a gem.RitZ: read above
great duelist, first to use kicks/turkish kicks really effectively, he was able to go 7-5 with jackie in 2015Chambering: Cade: was good for like 3 months, because he upchambered a lot (which at the time nobody was used to or expected).
LOL, you're really gonna tell me people didn't know how to deal with upchambers in 2016? ur a troleSerpenta: lole
according to a lot of old gens he was the first player to use chambering effectively as an actual style instead of a gimmickSteven: wasn't much better of a chamberer than fartknocker
i would say in their respective primes they're around the same level, but i think steven had better up chambersJohn Sanders: all he does is a and d key now, not much better of a chamberer than anyone else
he applies chambers in very unique ways and gets angles (idk about now, but in the earlier years yes)skinny: not much better than the average "good" player at chambering
his chambering was on par with jackie at the timeokay for this list i wasn't too sure who to add for some slots, so if u gave me a "better" list i would possibly change itDefense: Dj: he knew how to block up downs, cool
zed: worse version of sleek
KOSJ: not really a defensive player from what I've seen, he's a much better gfer and good at up downing people but not at defending them himself.
Alexander: If you consider s keying a skill then sure. (makes a ton of sense he plays csgo where there's like 1 minute of actual gunfights for every 5 minutes of nothing)
Pj:
Redwall: lole
Me: only if I have less than 50 ping (which is never)
Wall: not much better at defense than anyone else
ok i dont care about the other lists
