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[Edwin]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/30403/barack-obamas-presidential-legacy-comprehensive-michael-j-knowles

[Sgt.Winters]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/30403/barack-obamas-presidential-legacy-comprehensive-michael-j-knowles

He forgot a few but it is a solid list nonetheless

[McPero]

'we want to live in nation states not false artificial creations'
Nice one Farage it is not like nation is exatly that,  false artificial creation. And not to mention Britain is not a nation as well lul crub your brexit.

[McPero]

What is Iran doing?

[Furrnox]

'we want to live in nation states not false artificial creations'
Nice one Farage it is not like nation is exatly that,  false artificial creation. And not to mention Britain is not a nation as well lul crub your brexit.

We want complete self rule but we're still going to force Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar to leave the EU even though they voted stay heh..

[Toffee]

Even though I disagree with what Farage said and with leaving the EU as a whole, the idea that the nations within the UK are being oppressed is stupid. Scotland voted to join the UK, Northern Ireland chose the UK over the Republic of Ireland and Wales has been within our country longer than it was ever a unified country of its own. They each have National Assemblies and certain levels of autonomy. The United Kingdom is what it says on the tin, a nation of nations, not an oppressive English state. Any suggestion that it is otherwise is idiotic. We voted as a whole otherwise it’s like saying “Tony from France didn’t vote for Macron and is therefore being oppressed”.

[Conway]

Also a a note, Northern Ireland has a means of leaving the UK at any given time should the electorate decide it wants to leave, funny enough Sein Fein still only got a minority of the Northern Irish seats after the Brexit vote.

[Furrnox]

Isn't Northern Ireland in a political crisis atm?

Even though I disagree with what Farage said and with leaving the EU as a whole, the idea that the nations within the UK are being oppressed is stupid. Scotland voted to join the UK, Northern Ireland chose the UK over the Republic of Ireland and Wales has been within our country longer than it was ever a unified country of its own. They each have National Assemblies and certain levels of autonomy. The United Kingdom is what it says on the tin, a nation of nations, not an oppressive English state. Any suggestion that it is otherwise is idiotic. We voted as a whole otherwise it’s like saying “Tony from France didn’t vote for Macron and is therefore being oppressed”.

France doesn't have a divided nation to the same degree as the UK, so it's a poor example and as far as I know there is a lot of Scots who don't consider themselves British.

[Toffee]

Northern Ireland isn’t in a political crisis in relation to them being in the YK, it’s their inability to agree on local governance.

Also Scotland might not consider themselves to be British, but they are part of the nation and when the vote happened it was as the country of he United Kingdom, not as England, Scotland etc. Let’s just put it this way, if We had all remained because Scotland wanted to remain then wouldn’t England be being kept against their will? But that would be okay? Scotland might be a separate cultural identity , but the political identity is still that of the UK.

[StevenChilton]

France doesn't have a divided nation to the same degree as the UK, so it's a poor example and as far as I know there is a lot of Scots who don't consider themselves British.

Not true at all. The French have been dealing with Corsican nationalism and terrorism for decades. In many ways the situation there is currently worse than in NI. With Scotland it's not that simple either, plenty of Scottish nationalists consider themselves 'British' including the then leader of the independence movement in 2014:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10578726/Alex-Salmond-Being-British-is-part-of-my-identity.html

[Duuring]

In many ways the situation there is currently worse than in NI

What ways?

[StevenChilton]

In many ways the situation there is currently worse than in NI

What ways?

Corsican nationalist terrorism continued up until a ceasefire in 2014, whereas in NI it happened much earlier in 1997. IRA officially decommissioned their arms by 2005 (probably still have a few left because these people are liars but most of them have been destroyed), whereas in Corsica the FNLC hasn't done so. Nationalists also recently made big gains in the last Corsican elections and they're now the governing party.

NI has its problems but Corsica is in a far worse place.

[Duuring]

Right. How many people were killed because of the Northern Ireland conflict, and how much damage was done in, say, US dollars, and how do those numbers compare to the Corsican Nationalist conflict? I assume much worse?

[StevenChilton]

Right. How many people were killed because of the Northern Ireland conflict, and how much damage was done in, say, US dollars, and how do those numbers compare to the Corsican Nationalist conflict? I assume much worse?

Difficult to make a comparison of deaths and destruction since I can't find reliable data for the FNLC campaign. But based on this this chronology from the 1990s it was probably worse in terms of damage of property, while casualty rates were probably similar: http://www.refworld.org/docid/469f388a1d.html