The General Political Thread

[Stroke0fd34th]

War has its own rules, Toffee
It happens from either side and they always cry that the other side kills civis.
Whatever, sometimes people die in war y'know.

Exactly I don't think you find many people that would complain about allies bombing Nazi German civilians in cities.

"The SOHR attributed 83,500 civilian deaths to the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and its allies, including Russia; 7,000 to Syrian rebels and allied forces; 3,700 to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL); 920 to the U.S.-led coalition; and 500 to Turkey."

UK based organisation, also doesn't really include the fact that rebels use hostages that Syria than kills with air strikes.

Civilian casualties are an unfortunate reality of armed conflict, but I would assume if rebels are using your own civilians as hostages, you would try to deal with it in a different way than killing 83,500 of them. That's genuinely insane.

Allies killing German civilians in WW2 was also unfortunate, but it was a large scale conflict, bombing was safest carried out during nights and they lacked the modern technology we currently have to make their strike more precise. If they did have that, I do think they would've made more of an effort to avoid civilian casualties.

[Toffee]

One second it was “why would he do that” and the next it’s “civilian casualties are unavoidable”. Sometimes they happen, but it can be avoided better if you don’t shell a city with hundreds of thousands of people in.

And Germany did fully intend for civilian casualties. They dropped more than a million bombs on the city.

[McPero]

One second it was “why would he do that” and the next it’s “civilian casualties are unavoidable”. Sometimes they happen, but it can be avoided better if you don’t shell a city with hundreds of thousands of people in.

And Germany did fully intend for civilian casualties. They dropped more than a million bombs on the city.

It was why would he kill civilians with purpose of killing civilians.

Like I said like 10 times already Assad is not an angel but truth is war would never happen if USA wouldn't back the 'freedom fighters'. Pretty sure USA knew what will happen (a bloody war)  so they are responsible for all the casulties of Syrian war. And the realistic fair thing NATO should do is fuck off from Syria and let Russia and Assad end the war. What USA should have done to make things right is help Assad destroy the rebels and send him aid to rebuild Syria.

I know but I was referring to Allies bombing German cities. 

[Kore]

Allies intended to kill civilians as well.

Also, no, USA+NATO should stay. We can't let Russia build another strongpoint in the Middle East.

[Council]

Allies intended to kill civilians as well.

Also, no, USA+NATO should stay. We can't let Russia build another strongpoint in the Middle East.

Boy, politics isn’t for you.

[Council]

One second it was “why would he do that” and the next it’s “civilian casualties are unavoidable”. Sometimes they happen, but it can be avoided better if you don’t shell a city with hundreds of thousands of people in.

And Germany did fully intend for civilian casualties. They dropped more than a million bombs on the city.

It was why would he kill civilians with purpose of killing civilians.

Like I said like 10 times already Assad is not an angel but truth is war would never happen if USA wouldn't back the 'freedom fighters'. Pretty sure USA knew what will happen (a bloody war)  so they are responsible for all the casulties of Syrian war. And the realistic fair thing NATO should do is fuck off from Syria and let Russia and Assad end the war. What USA should have done to make things right is help Assad destroy the rebels and send him aid to rebuild Syria.

I know but I was referring to Allies bombing German cities.

No one here don’t understand a thing.
USA lives because of war and ofcource they aren’t interesting in finishing the bloody carnage in Syria.

[Prince_Eugen]

As long as Russia lives by the war, because it's an only way to drag attention from internal problems.

[Toffee]

Quit trying to shift all the blame away from Assad. Maybe the war wouldn’t have started if Syria hadn’t been a dictatorship

[Furrnox]

Quit trying to shift all the blame away from Assad. Maybe the war wouldn’t have started if Syria hadn’t been a dictatorship

Whataboutism is a valid strategy to win arguments in todays "modern" world.

I thought you knew that already.

[Toffee]

Unfortunately Russia and co are specialists in whataboutism. America have done a lot wrong in the Middle East as have Britain. But that doesn’t excuse Assad from the atrocities that he has committed. He should be out on trial for war crimes.

[Furrnox]

Russia moving large amounts of aircraft to Syria?
https://twitter.com/obretix/status/990925274794614785

[William]

Unfortunately Russia and co are specialists in whataboutism. America have done a lot wrong in the Middle East as have Britain. But that doesn’t excuse Assad from the atrocities that he has committed. He should be out on trial for war crimes.

What a cuck. Assad is the closest the Middle East has had to an enlightened monarch who stands up to the West and preserves secularism.

[Toffee]

Unfortunately Russia and co are specialists in whataboutism. America have done a lot wrong in the Middle East as have Britain. But that doesn’t excuse Assad from the atrocities that he has committed. He should be out on trial for war crimes.

What a cuck. Assad is the closest the Middle East has had to an enlightened monarch who stands up to the West and preserves secularism.

Okay

[Edwin]

Allies intended to kill civilians as well.

Also, no, USA+NATO should stay. We can't let Russia build another strongpoint in the Middle East.

Ah yes, the "Russian aggression!" meme

[Prince_Eugen]

Unfortunately Russia and co are specialists in whataboutism. America have done a lot wrong in the Middle East as have Britain. But that doesn’t excuse Assad from the atrocities that he has committed. He should be out on trial for war crimes.

What a cuck. Assad is the closest the Middle East has had to an enlightened monarch who stands up to the West and preserves secularism.

That fact didnt prevent the syrians from helping Iraqi during war with coalition in 2000's, although many of suiciders are syrians by nationality.