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Title: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Chosen1 on January 02, 2015, 07:12:09 am
Historically, which countries are the most terrible at fighting wars? This is my list:

5. Russia
4. Spain
3. Italy
2. France
1. Austria
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 02, 2015, 11:19:13 am
I'd say:

5. Belgium (actually Belgium did not fight too bad, they were just very unlucky)
4. Peru
3. Romania
2. Bolivia
1. Italy

Why Russia, Spain, France and Austria? These countries fought gloriously in dozens of wars.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: joer5835 on January 02, 2015, 01:44:28 pm
Every nation has moments of glory and times of defeat in their history. There's no saying who is better than one other.

Spain for example was the undoubted military leader in the 16th and early 17th century, but was nothing more than a secondary powder in the 18th century. France was the leading power in the later half of the 17th century and early 18th century, declined after the Seven years War, came back during the Napoleonic Wars and after that declined again with 1871 being a low-point.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 02, 2015, 01:53:11 pm
Indeed, but some have more moments of glory and some have more moments of defeat.

I think we should clarify if we are talking about nations or countries. Because Italy for example was the center of many wars during the Rennaissance even though they weren't united at that time.

And Bolivia isn't even a nation. It's just a region named after Simón Bolívar.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 02, 2015, 02:08:42 pm
And Bolivia isn't even a nation. It's just a region named after Simón Bolívar.

The same way Germany isn't a nation, but just a region named after the collective name for the tribes who lived there during the time of the Romans.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 02, 2015, 02:16:17 pm
German people have the same language and culture since hundreds of years ago like France, Russia or England. The German word Deutsch means btw "belonging to the nation".

Bolivia was inhabited by natives until the Spanish arrived. Now the country has 36 different languages and 40 different ethnic groups.

But this topic is about the noobs of war.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 02, 2015, 02:30:30 pm
You don't have to be of the same culture, language or ethic group to form a nation. While it's true that most nations are built around a certain ethical group wishing to form a nation, this isn't the definition of a nation. By that definition, my country isn't a nation because we have 2 official languages.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 02, 2015, 02:39:58 pm
Quote from: Wikipedia
Nation has various meanings, and the meaning has changed over time. The concept of "nation" is related to "ethnic community" or ethnie.

A nation is not really bound to a country. But there are different ways you could understand it. In my opinion the Dutch are a nation and Bolivia isn't.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Bob_The_Drunken_Villager on January 02, 2015, 03:47:11 pm
Maybe he's talkin' about the napoleonic times?
I'll say (my opinion)

1.Italy
2.Ottoman Empire
3.Austria
4.Spain
5. -

I don't even know a 5th one. Except these all fought well I'll guess.  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: MR_Cheath on January 02, 2015, 04:03:40 pm
This thread needs a poll on "Is Italy the worst military power: yes or no?".
Id say yes for being a traitor and a failure in both world wars + they lost to Ethiopia....
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 02, 2015, 04:11:36 pm
Maybe he's talkin' about the napoleonic times?
I'll say (my opinion)

1.Italy
2.Ottoman Empire
3.Austria
4.Spain
5. -

I don't even know a 5th one. Except these all fought well I'll guess.  ::) ;D
Does this list regard to the Napoleonic Wars?

Even if not you should cross out the Ottomans, Austria and Spain. All these countries existed for a very long period and managed to defend and even expand their territory.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Bob_The_Drunken_Villager on January 02, 2015, 04:16:41 pm
Every nation has moments of glory and times of defeat in their history.

Like I said, it's only my oppinion Turin. For me, the moments of defeat of this countries have more weight than their 'glory' moments.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 02, 2015, 04:19:49 pm
Every nation has moments of glory and times of defeat in their history.

Like I said, it's only my oppinion Turin. For me, the moments of defeat of this countries have more weight than their 'glory' moments.
Well, the higher you climb, the farther you fall.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Saxon on January 02, 2015, 04:20:36 pm
Duuring get back on topic before I whip you.


Iceland is OBVIOUSLY the worst!;) Never won a war, amiright
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 02, 2015, 04:23:48 pm
They won the Icelandic Cod Wars.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Bob_The_Drunken_Villager on January 02, 2015, 04:25:31 pm
They won the Icelandic Cod Wars.

I thought the wars needed to be historically  :-[
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Millander on January 03, 2015, 12:49:03 am
The USa is the best. We won the Cold War without even fighting Russia.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Saxon on January 03, 2015, 12:53:45 am
The USa is the best. We won the Cold War without even fighting Russia.

pls say this is troll.

And through proxy wars, which by the way - You didn't always win;)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: FrithBiscuit on January 03, 2015, 02:56:34 am
The USa is the best. We won the Cold War without even fighting Russia.

YEs I AM agree AND amerICUSA didn't even LOSING PEOPLE LIKE THE RUSSIANS DID To their winters sry caps
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 03, 2015, 03:16:44 am
Historically, which countries are the most terrible at fighting wars? This is my list:

5. Russia
4. Spain
3. Italy
2. France
1. Austria

Russia had an extremely successful 18th century and then won the Napoleonic wars. Then they won World War 2 after rising from utter destitution. What's the criteria here? Also, Spain and France are pretty wrong. Italy and Austria are the only accurate ones on that list.

The USa is the best. We won the Cold War without even fighting Russia.

pls say this is troll.

And through proxy wars, which by the way - You didn't always win;)

Lol butthurt eurofairies can't stand seeing people be proud of the histories of their countries. He was clearly joking, btw.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: OttoFIN on January 03, 2015, 08:54:09 pm
1. Italy
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Saxon on January 03, 2015, 09:15:13 pm
Historically, which countries are the most terrible at fighting wars? This is my list:

5. Russia
4. Spain
3. Italy
2. France
1. Austria

Russia had an extremely successful 18th century and then won the Napoleonic wars. Then they won World War 2 after rising from utter destitution. What's the criteria here? Also, Spain and France are pretty wrong. Italy and Austria are the only accurate ones on that list.

The USa is the best. We won the Cold War without even fighting Russia.

pls say this is troll.

And through proxy wars, which by the way - You didn't always win;)

Lol butthurt eurofairies can't stand seeing people be proud of the histories of their countries. He was clearly joking, btw.

I'm not butthurt:( They in all fairness had some outstanding moments and leaders, but boo
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 03, 2015, 09:21:16 pm
All the same, he was joking. I'm not sure why whenever Americans make fun of themselves ironically Europeans don't understand it and they think we're actually being serious. I thought euros were supposed to be smarter... hmm?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Akko on January 03, 2015, 09:36:30 pm
Italy





lul
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 03, 2015, 09:59:30 pm
All the same, he was joking. I'm not sure why whenever Americans make fun of themselves ironically Europeans don't understand it and they think we're actually being serious. I thought euros were supposed to be smarter... hmm?
It's because we are used to this kind of behaviour from you.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 03, 2015, 10:29:02 pm
All the same, he was joking. I'm not sure why whenever Americans make fun of themselves ironically Europeans don't understand it and they think we're actually being serious. I thought euros were supposed to be smarter... hmm?
It's because we are used to this kind of behaviour from you.

Nah, the vast majority of the times you read any of this shit it's ironic or satirical. Most Americans don't actually think that way. Sorry to disappoint you though. I think the way it really is, Europeans have some weird obsession with the United States, probably some sort of inferiority complex, and so they need to constantly validate their existence by going on about "muh war crimes" and "muh oil empires" and all that shit so they feel better about themselves. It's a pretty strange phenomenon. Meanwhile all of us over here in the US are just sitting on our computers reading assblasted eurofairies rail at us for days on end calling us pigs and whatever imaginative names you can think of, and we just chuckle and we sit in our houses ten times the size of yours that we bought for a tenth of the price, feeling perfectly contented. Oh well.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Saxon on January 03, 2015, 10:34:58 pm
Wow rude:(

What nation is the best at war? Fire nation!
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on January 03, 2015, 10:38:12 pm
The kindom of Italy during NW was legit. Also Rome was basically Italy aswell. So italy has proven itself worthy.

I say poland is worst.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 03, 2015, 11:13:44 pm
u wot kurwa?
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F9%2F91%2FRzeczpospolita_Dymitriads.png&hash=05799ba72b5e38926ed6e809858b22b577fb6107)
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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 03, 2015, 11:21:29 pm
dat deluge tho
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Allasaphore on January 04, 2015, 11:35:58 pm
I feel as though Paraguay and Australia* should be included on this thread somewhere, for the War of the Triple Alliance and Great Emu War* respectively.

*The asterisk means that you need to cue the laugh track.*
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Akko on January 05, 2015, 02:31:20 am
I don't know man, those Emus are fucking deadly velociraptor type fighters.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on January 05, 2015, 11:39:49 pm
5. Italy
4. Austria
3. Italy
2. Italy
1. Austria

Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 06, 2015, 01:04:46 am
Your argument is invalid
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jx7Ma6CQIg
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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Chosen1 on January 06, 2015, 01:23:10 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Habsburg_wars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Wars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Years%27_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Prussian_War
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on January 06, 2015, 01:25:46 am
Your argument is invalid
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia-2.web.britannica.com%2Feb-media%2F75%2F6075-004-4A150DCC.jpg&hash=463b009f81b3917f3a5ebbcc6a04bb9e92442f7f)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jx7Ma6CQIg
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Your argument is (See: Austro-Turkish War of 1787)
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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 06, 2015, 01:33:45 am
They were able to conquer and defend a giant multiethnic state over 400 years.

Longer than USA n00bs. Half the time of your existence you were ruled by Tommys.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on January 06, 2015, 01:36:43 am
They were able to conquer and defend a giant multiethnic state over 400 years.

Longer than USA n00bs. Half the time of your existence you were ruled by Tommys.
Know who did this better, longer, and more sucessfully?
Spoiler
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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 06, 2015, 01:40:39 am
They were able to conquer and defend a giant multiethnic state over 400 years.

Longer than USA n00bs. Half the time of your existence you were ruled by Tommys.
Know who did this better, longer, and more sucessfully?
Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc07.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Ff%2F2011%2F232%2F0%2F0%2Froman_empire___117_ad_by_moto53-d477nfy.png&hash=b55e844b0f3fbe09e43c9355d79096d115789a40)
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Indeed. The romans probably were the best at fighting wars.

One could add the mongols, but it did not last long for them. They defeated the Japanese at Khalkin Gol in WW2 though.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 06, 2015, 03:12:30 am
The Austrians suffered from awful financial mismanagement and incredible corruption within the military hierarchy, and so they suffered a number of bitter defeats throughout the centuries. To say they were the worst in Europe at fighting wars is a little far fetched, but it certainly could be said that they were the weakest great power. Regardless, most of their victories were diplomatic and political rather than strictly military, and while they did lose a lot of major battles and wars, they usually seemed to come out on top through their careful alliances and sharp diplomacy.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on January 06, 2015, 03:18:53 am
this fuckin guy...

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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Chosen1 on January 06, 2015, 05:14:21 am
They were able to conquer and defend a giant multiethnic state over 400 years.

Which could be said about any other nation in europe. Like Nipple said the only reason Austria survived is because of good diplomacy, certainly not because of their military prowess lol
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 06, 2015, 09:27:05 pm
[Sits in his little republic counting money]
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on January 06, 2015, 09:30:30 pm
[Sits in his little republic counting money]
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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: joer5835 on January 06, 2015, 09:40:03 pm
You know guys, instead of counting our money we could go annoy Britain and support the American rebels.

What could POSSIBLY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Anglo-Dutch_War) go wrong!?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on January 06, 2015, 09:41:52 pm
You know guys, instead of counting our money we could go annoy Britain and support the American rebels.

What could POSSIBLY go wrong!?
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.anunews.net%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F04%2Faa-American-empire-map-of-bases-around-world.jpg&hash=70bc20aa33d8fa208fca41b1eb2d0e2f04f92531)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 06, 2015, 09:44:18 pm
Russia has American military on its territory?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 06, 2015, 09:54:15 pm
I'm surprised we don't have a single military base in Africa.

Russia has American military on its territory?

According to a map on wikipedia we have over 1000 troops deployed currently in Russia. I haven't been able to find any evidence of this at all within the article or elsewhere from my brief search, though. Odd.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 06, 2015, 10:00:27 pm
Red countries got invaded by Britain:

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.telegraph.co.uk%2Fmultimedia%2Farchive%2F02388%2FBRITAIN_2388153b.jpg&hash=f6e41fa973ed51428db116438c400a15fa6c1bb8)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 06, 2015, 10:03:36 pm
Red countries got invaded by Britain:

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.telegraph.co.uk%2Fmultimedia%2Farchive%2F02388%2FBRITAIN_2388153b.jpg&hash=f6e41fa973ed51428db116438c400a15fa6c1bb8)

What scumbags. Good thing they're a backwater country now.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Mr T on January 06, 2015, 10:11:51 pm
U fkin wot m8?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Akko on January 08, 2015, 12:11:42 am
Red countries got invaded by Britain:

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.telegraph.co.uk%2Fmultimedia%2Farchive%2F02388%2FBRITAIN_2388153b.jpg&hash=f6e41fa973ed51428db116438c400a15fa6c1bb8)

What scumbags. Good thing they're a backwater country now.

I quite like Britain, but I don't support imperialism.
Anyway.......
Spoiler
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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on January 08, 2015, 12:41:04 am
Worst recent country is Germany. Two world wars and one World Cup lost. Gg krauts + USSR USA and uk swag
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Ililsa on January 08, 2015, 10:32:42 am
Sealand
Estonia
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Leghorn94 on January 10, 2015, 01:40:03 pm
5 Belgium
4 Sweden
3 Romania
2 Argentina
1 Austria
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Whitedeath-kill90 on January 10, 2015, 01:47:00 pm
4)russia
3)romania
2)france
1)ungary
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on January 11, 2015, 02:42:33 am
Mexico
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on January 11, 2015, 02:54:25 am
Worst recent country is Germany. Two world wars and one World Cup lost. Gg krauts + USSR USA and uk swag

Wat... I don't think Germany lost because of "bad fighting", but OK
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on January 11, 2015, 03:34:56 am
Worst recent country is Germany. Two world wars and one World Cup lost. Gg krauts + USSR USA and uk swag

Wat... I don't think Germany lost because of "bad fighting", but OK

Not because theyre bad at battles or fighting but because theyre garbage at politics
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on January 11, 2015, 03:36:17 am
Worst recent country is Germany. Two world wars and one World Cup lost. Gg krauts + USSR USA and uk swag

Wat... I don't think Germany lost because of "bad fighting", but OK

Not because theyre bad at battles or fighting but because theyre garbage at politics
Or that the Allies and France pushed such harsh terms on them
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Chosen1 on January 11, 2015, 03:53:58 am
5 Belgium
4 Sweden
3 Romania
2 Argentina
1 Austria

Why Argentina? They only ever lost two wars, the latter which they almost won. Belgium? Sweden? Romania This entire list doesn't make sense
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on January 12, 2015, 06:17:59 pm
1) Any country in Africa  8)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on January 12, 2015, 11:45:29 pm
If you put France in your list, you are stupid. It took basically every wolrd superpower and even lesser nations all working together to defeat France and Napoleon. Not to mention France won the 100 years war, and countless other wars in history.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 13, 2015, 12:28:32 am
If you put France in your list, you are stupid. It took basically every wolrd superpower and even lesser nations all working together to defeat France and Napoleon. Not to mention France won the 100 years war, and countless other wars in history.
Like Sweden and Austria. But these people are from America.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 13, 2015, 12:33:22 am
If you put France in your list, you are stupid. It took basically every wolrd superpower and even lesser nations all working together to defeat France and Napoleon. Not to mention France won the 100 years war, and countless other wars in history.
Like Sweden and Austria. But these people are from America.

What is your obsession with America? Do you honestly believe people from one country can be dumber than those from another? More importantly, do you honestly and truly see yourself as more intelligent than the average American?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on January 13, 2015, 12:35:12 am
I just watched Patton, the 1970 film about ya know...Patton. He says at one point in is introductory monologue: "America has never and will never lose a war". I always find it funny that if that screenplay was written like 5 years later, that line would be something around: "America has never--okay, well yeah Vietnam's over but I swear we will never lose another one...I hope"

I never understood the American obsession and admiration of General Patton. He was a glory-hunting dickhead who beat his own men and threw temper tantrums when he didn't get his way. My great grandfather fought in Bastogne under Patton and could vouch for that if he wasn't dead

If you put France in your list, you are stupid. It took basically every wolrd superpower and even lesser nations all working together to defeat France and Napoleon. Not to mention France won the 100 years war, and countless other wars in history.
Like Sweden and Austria. But these people are from America.

What is your obsession with America?
It's the best country ever, that's the obsession
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 13, 2015, 12:40:54 am
If you put France in your list, you are stupid. It took basically every wolrd superpower and even lesser nations all working together to defeat France and Napoleon. Not to mention France won the 100 years war, and countless other wars in history.
Like Sweden and Austria. But these people are from America.

What is your obsession with America? Do you honestly believe people from one country can be dumber than those from another? More importantly, do you honestly and truly see yourself as more intelligent than the average American?
I never said that. But I like the way your mind works.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 13, 2015, 12:41:56 am
That passive-aggressiveness. I asked you two questions, friend. There was nothing more to it.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 13, 2015, 12:47:35 am
No, I don't belive that. Every human on earth has nearly the same mental qualifications.

I just like to provocate simillar to a lot of people in this thread which obviously did not achieve to create an adequate discussion about the topic.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 13, 2015, 12:55:00 am
People aren't taking the topic seriously because there isn't much to discuss here. Almost every nation on earth has a wikipedia page dedicated to their military history. If we wanted to, we could just look it up and find a list complied by people knowledgeable in the subject. However, seeing as this is a forum dedicated to entertainment, it's far more fun to shitpost and propagate stereotypes and tropes about nations which generally aren't true, hence the France, Italy and Austria bashing. Americans like bashing France because it's hilarious. The French are infinitely arrogant towards Americans and most Americans don't care whatsoever. We know the military history of France doesn't begin and end with WW2. But I'll be damned if it isn't funny. Italy is funny because they fucked up with Hitler, changed sides, and then continued to fuck up. Who cares what they've done throughout history because we can sit here and laugh all day without getting to any other subject. It's the same with anything else. Taking American banter seriously is like taking offense to a 'yo mama' joke. It's just based around being silly. This is why it annoys me when Europeans get up in arms about Americans getting facts wrong and joking around about European history. It just makes you look uptight and insecure. Get over it, nothing we say can change history. Might as well shoot the shit.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Chosen1 on January 13, 2015, 12:55:07 am
If you put France in your list, you are stupid. It took basically every wolrd superpower and even lesser nations all working together to defeat France and Napoleon. Not to mention France won the 100 years war, and countless other wars in history.

Napoleon wasn't even French. He's Italian, he was born Napoleone di Buonaparte LOL

The only time the French were able to do well in war was when they were led by an Italian. Rofl
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on January 13, 2015, 01:10:25 am
If you put France in your list, you are stupid. It took basically every wolrd superpower and even lesser nations all working together to defeat France and Napoleon. Not to mention France won the 100 years war, and countless other wars in history.

Napoleon wasn't even French. He's Italian, he was born Napoleone di Buonaparte LOL

The only time the French were able to do well in war was when they were led by an Italian. Rofl
Corsican. Sounds like nitpicking, but it's not. Corsicans at the time were greatly dedicated to having their own nationality and had become such a problem for their actual Italian rulers they were sold off to France. Up until around Napoleon's Italian campaign, he strongly identified as a Corsican nationalist but after the leader of a Corsican insurrection named Paoli refused to cooperate with him, Napoleon's years of training in France finally just led him to identify as a good revolutionary French patriot.

So by the time Napoleon became the greatest conqueror, he was throughly French.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Akko on January 13, 2015, 01:17:43 am
If you put France in your list, you are stupid. It took basically every wolrd superpower and even lesser nations all working together to defeat France and Napoleon. Not to mention France won the 100 years war, and countless other wars in history.

Napoleon wasn't even French. He's Italian, he was born Napoleone di Buonaparte LOL

The only time the French were able to do well in war was when they were led by an Italian. Rofl

He was hardly Italian. He was born Corsican, descended from Italian nobility, and raised French for a good portion of his life. He was sent to a religious school in mainland France at age 10 to learn French. Corsica was under French rule when Napoleon was born as well.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Chosen1 on January 13, 2015, 01:43:14 am
So... he wasn't French. That's my point. His family was from Florentine. Therefore, France is bad at wars  8)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on January 13, 2015, 01:55:38 am
So... he wasn't French. That's my point. His family was from Florentine. Therefore, France is bad at wars  8)

No. Napoleon identified as French and was trained in the art of war in a French military school but I guess that's irrelevant to the constant need by many Americans to French-bash
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Chosen1 on January 13, 2015, 02:34:55 am
We do it cause it's funny as hell  ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Prussian_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_France
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dien_Bien_Phu

Didn't even defend their capital city LOL
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Akko on January 13, 2015, 02:36:03 am
So... he wasn't French. That's my point. His family was from Florentine. Therefore, France is bad at wars  8)

No. Napoleon identified as French and was trained in the art of war in a French military school but I guess that's irrelevant to the constant need by many Americans to French-bash

I actually love the French, and I see no need to bash one of our most loyal allies in history. Ignorant Americans bash the French. Even French Americans are bashed (Cajuns, Creoles, etc) , which is even worse. Also, the French are a quite diverse people. Various peoples have contributed to France's success on the world stage. Jews, Poles, Germans, Italians, Bretons, North Africans, Asians, etc have all contributed to France and form quite a large population in France itself.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 13, 2015, 02:40:37 am
"Bash" is a strong word. Most Americans don't have a problem with the French at all. We just like poking fun at our friends. Giving each other shit has been a long tradition between the French, British and Americans, but we all know we're the closest allies. Now, of course there are some Americans who legitimately hate the French. Those people are swamp people, though. They don't count as real people.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Chosen1 on January 13, 2015, 02:43:06 am
I hate the French  :o Cheese eating surrender monkeys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUjGf2Grrus
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on January 13, 2015, 02:51:37 am
We do it cause it's funny as hell  ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Prussian_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_France
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dien_Bien_Phu

Didn't even defend their capital city LOL

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.history.com%2Fnews%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F08%2Fburning-of-washington.jpg&hash=570ab1e56e3ee3d851eb1ab86b4698365dd81c18)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Akko on January 13, 2015, 03:01:55 am
Quick, fill the thread with French stuff.


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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on January 13, 2015, 03:35:39 am
I will not respond to your idiocy chosen1. France is love, France is life.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Akko on January 13, 2015, 03:38:03 am
I will not respond to your idiocy chosen1. France is love, France is life.

Damn right it is.  8)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Chosen1 on January 13, 2015, 03:41:03 am
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.history.com%2Fnews%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F08%2Fburning-of-washington.jpg&hash=570ab1e56e3ee3d851eb1ab86b4698365dd81c18)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bladensburg

We atleast tried. Then the great Andrew Jackson sent the brits packing at the Battle of New Orleans.

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.pelicanparts.com%2Fuploads20%2Fsurrender1336337566.jpg&hash=73da0f25b3f197ee621c6475280388654becfc73)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on January 13, 2015, 03:58:33 am
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Akko on January 13, 2015, 04:42:14 am
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles.

Get out of here fritz. Speakin Nazi n shit.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Robins on January 13, 2015, 06:02:16 am
Islamic Fucking State
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on January 13, 2015, 01:10:58 pm
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.history.com%2Fnews%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F08%2Fburning-of-washington.jpg&hash=570ab1e56e3ee3d851eb1ab86b4698365dd81c18)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bladensburg

We atleast tried. Then the great Andrew Jackson sent the brits packing at the Battle of New Orleans.

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.pelicanparts.com%2Fuploads20%2Fsurrender1336337566.jpg&hash=73da0f25b3f197ee621c6475280388654becfc73)

Oh and by try I assume you mean the hastily out together militia that was routed as soon as the Brits began to fire their muskets #Bladensburg


Wikipedia: The Battle of Bladensburg took place during the War of 1812. The defeat of the American forces there allowed the British to capture and burn the public buildings of Washington, D.C. It has been called "the greatest disgrace ever dealt to American arms".
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Chosen1 on January 13, 2015, 03:50:57 pm
Yep, it was the only force capable of defending the city at the time. Atleast they tried lol  8)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Wastee on January 13, 2015, 04:07:00 pm
Come kill our capital now breh
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Chosen1 on January 13, 2015, 04:51:02 pm
Come kill our capital now breh

Word.

France nowadays didn't even have the balls to attack Iraq, LOL. Surrendered while they could  ;D
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Furrnox on January 13, 2015, 04:57:13 pm
So you are saying that the French didn't try?

Btw the French have the most military victories in history.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on January 13, 2015, 05:07:32 pm
Lel obviously a nation's capacity at "fighting wars" depends on which time period you choose to focus on. Also, should we consider victories in old nations which have acted as their predecessors (geographically, culturally, genetically even) which have nonetheless ceased to exist?

Over the last 100 years, France gawt rekt hard, but Charlemagne w/ Frankia, over a millenium ago, was pretty damn OP. :P
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Allasaphore on January 13, 2015, 06:00:16 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_France#Modern_period

Despite occupation in WWII and defeat in Indochina, the French have remained a force to be reckoned with over the course of the twentieth/twenty-first century.

Here are locations where the French military are currently deployed, according to wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deployments_of_the_French_military
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Chosen1 on January 13, 2015, 06:20:00 pm
So you are saying that the French didn't try?

Btw the French have the most military victories in history.

lol sure  :-X

Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on January 13, 2015, 07:17:01 pm
Holland ftw
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on January 13, 2015, 07:25:42 pm
France suffers some 6.1 million causalities in WWI and the sheer bravery of their troops at places like the Marne and Verdun practically saves their nation and Allied positions on the Western Front.

But wait, Adolf Hitler had planes and the French understandably didn't want another mass slaughter like they had suffered in WWI (which almost wiped out an entire generation of men) so I guess France 4ever sux and shame.

GG, America, your 200 year infant military history much superior. #Indians2Stupid2InventGuns
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Chosen1 on January 13, 2015, 08:01:30 pm
France suffers some 6.1 million causalities in WWI and the sheer bravery of their troops at places like the Marne and Verdun practically saves their nation and Allied positions on the Western Front.

But wait, Adolf Hitler had planes and the French understandably didn't want another mass slaughter like they had suffered in WWI (which almost wiped out an entire generation of men) so I guess France 4ever sux and shame.

Yep that's what happens when a country sucks at fighting wars  ;)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Crescent Glow on January 13, 2015, 08:06:07 pm
France suffers some 6.1 million causalities in WWI and the sheer bravery of their troops at places like the Marne and Verdun practically saves their nation and Allied positions on the Western Front.

But wait, Adolf Hitler had planes and the French understandably didn't want another mass slaughter like they had suffered in WWI (which almost wiped out an entire generation of men) so I guess France 4ever sux and shame.

Yep that's what happens when a country sucks at fighting wars  ;)

Go away
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on January 13, 2015, 10:00:38 pm
OH MY GOD WHY ARE YOU AUTISTS RESPONDING SERIOUSLY TO THE FRANCE BANTER WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on January 13, 2015, 10:31:22 pm
Wow

Cyberbully
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on January 13, 2015, 10:53:31 pm
OH MY GOD WHY ARE YOU AUTISTS RESPONDING SERIOUSLY TO THE FRANCE BANTER WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS.
Cause it seemed to be a realistic discussion up until the latest post

Killing self now
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Furrnox on January 13, 2015, 11:33:49 pm
OH MY GOD WHY ARE YOU AUTISTS RESPONDING SERIOUSLY TO THE FRANCE BANTER WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS.

Oh gosh, someone needs a nap.  ;)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: William on January 13, 2015, 11:41:01 pm
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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Aiello on January 14, 2015, 01:16:54 am
I'd say the Swiss have had a bad time with war. It doesn't make them particularly bad at fighting but the Swiss lost a battle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Marignano#Eternal_Peace) in 1515 that forced them to swear eternal peace which has been virtually unbroken.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: EdwardC on January 14, 2015, 01:36:21 am
Islamic Fucking State

Sure why not
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Josh Faraday on January 15, 2015, 07:56:43 am
Islamic Fucking State

Sure why not
^^+1
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Archduke Sven on January 15, 2015, 08:50:52 am
amurica worst eu

loses to canadians, hajis and thai hookers
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: EdwardC on January 15, 2015, 08:43:52 pm
Anonymous best country WW. (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fanonhq.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F09%2Fanon.jpg&hash=3a5ad97d7cb203b6aae8d4f53204385f43447740)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nicholas_PRIME on February 01, 2015, 06:45:09 am
France as their only battle tactic is
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psywarrior.com%2FGermanSurrender2.jpg&hash=91f34fe585b708a23e55a8ad187ed3bc46889d66)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on February 01, 2015, 06:49:27 am
Funny because that picture shows German soldiers surrendering.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Johann on February 01, 2015, 07:03:40 am
Historically, which countries are the most terrible at fighting wars? This is my list:

5. Russia
4. Spain
3. Italy
2. France
1. Austria

Actually France is the country that has the most victories in the world.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Julianator1515 on February 01, 2015, 12:14:58 pm
i hate France ^^
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on February 01, 2015, 01:47:00 pm
guise remember that time Germany lost both world wars? I goose germanny is the worst nation evar

This thread is a fuckin shit fest, everything nation loses a war somewhere down the line and wins others from time to time. A lot of these posts are just people stroking their cock of nationality
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on February 01, 2015, 01:51:56 pm
Funny because that picture shows German soldiers surrendering.

Ouch he just shrekked you with your picture man
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: joer5835 on February 01, 2015, 01:58:27 pm
This thread is a fuckin shit fest, everything nation loses a war somewhere down the line and wins others from time to time. A lot of these posts are just people stroking their cock of nationality

Congrats to Howe for being a smart man. You'd want a cookie now, I made them this morning.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on February 01, 2015, 02:17:43 pm
This thread is a fuckin shit fest, everything nation loses a war somewhere down the line and wins others from time to time. A lot of these posts are just people stroking their cock of nationality

Congrats to Howe for being a smart man. You'd want a cookie now, I made them this morning.
Yes pls

Unless they were made by the French
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on February 18, 2015, 05:11:50 pm
I think we can agree that Solmalia is the worst.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on February 18, 2015, 07:31:54 pm
No somoola is the best fgt everyone knows neverlaneds is the worst dumbas.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on February 18, 2015, 07:32:38 pm
No somoola is the best fgt everyone knows neverlaneds is the worst dumbas.

u w0t?

We rek Indonesia
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on February 18, 2015, 07:34:33 pm
The Neverlants aka the united provindes fuckkin retart

Lol infokneesa you rekt a third world shithol boo fukin hop gay
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on February 18, 2015, 07:41:09 pm
That would explain why it's still our colony...Oh wait.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Archduke Sven on February 18, 2015, 08:06:00 pm
swedun is b3ssst!!1!11!
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: joer5835 on February 18, 2015, 08:14:44 pm
That Sweden ever have lazy, crappy Surinam for a colony? I don't think so.

Keep on dreaming, dirty Swedes.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Johann on February 28, 2015, 07:14:36 am
This thread: Nationalistic dick contest.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: junedragon on February 28, 2015, 07:51:12 am

I say poland is worst.

I really hope that is a joke...
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Natnat471 on February 28, 2015, 04:14:41 pm
5. Russia
4. Spain
3. Italy
2. Austria
1. France
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on February 28, 2015, 09:16:35 pm
5. Russia
4. Spain
3. Italy
2. Austria
1. France

Since when ahs France been bad at fighting, besides WW2?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 01, 2015, 12:16:07 am
To be fair, ww2 is pretty important. They fucked up big time.

Still pretty ridiculous that people are still on this bandwagon though.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: junedragon on March 01, 2015, 01:13:52 am
5. Russia
4. Spain
3. Italy
2. Austria
1. France

Since when ahs France been bad at fighting, besides WW2?

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on March 01, 2015, 01:36:18 am
5. Russia
4. Spain
3. Italy
2. Austria
1. France

Since when has France been bad at fighting, besides WW2?

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html
Holy shiet that's a lot
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on March 01, 2015, 03:25:37 am
This thread: Nationalistic dick contest.
Welcome to FSE, may I take your order?

5. Russia
4. Spain
3. Italy
2. Austria
1. France

Since when ahs France been bad at fighting, besides WW2?

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

Why are the Gallic Wars on there?

Gallic is a very vague and ambiguous nationality put on inhabitants of Gaul by the Romans. Certainly not "French" at that time. Also, Romans had what? The best war machine in ancient history and one of the greatest leaders in history to go along with it? Gauls had...pointy sticks.

Also, if we want to play into this gaem of gangbanging. Gauls sacked Rome and destroyed their armies in 390 BC. guess rerm sucks 4ever

To be fair, ww2 is pretty important. They fucked up big time.

Still pretty ridiculous that people are still on this bandwagon though.
And yeah, how'd we arrive here again?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Akko on March 01, 2015, 04:49:26 am
This thread: Nationalistic dick contest.

You'd be speaking German if it weren't for us.

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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 01, 2015, 10:06:09 am
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on March 01, 2015, 06:20:03 pm
Heil.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on March 01, 2015, 06:21:35 pm
your fascisms r too much fur meh
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?c
Post by: hardcorefreestyleboy on March 28, 2015, 07:50:59 pm
The worst nation in fighting wars  is obviously russia because they basically lost the war of 1813 and ww1 anyway. In ww2 they won with the help of a shitton of allies. And in all 3 wars russia wasted about 2-4 times as many men as their enemy did.

Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on March 28, 2015, 10:40:49 pm
The Dutch are kinda garbage at war too
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on March 28, 2015, 10:48:24 pm
The Dutch are kinda garbage at war too

Explain, please. I recall an astonoshing fight in WWII while the Dutch were basically using WWI equipment and sometimes even blackpowder artillery and poorly trained men.
I recall the Netherlands being a world power at some point, defeating the English on sea and beating French on the ground.

So yes, please explain to me how the Dutch are garbage at war.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on March 28, 2015, 11:14:58 pm
Salty much ?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 28, 2015, 11:35:44 pm
The Dutch are kinda garbage at war too

Explain, please. I recall an astonoshing fight in WWII while the Dutch were basically using WWI equipment and sometimes even blackpowder artillery and poorly trained men.
I recall the Netherlands being a world power at some point, defeating the English on sea and beating French on the ground.

So yes, please explain to me how the Dutch are garbage at war.

Muh nationalism
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on March 28, 2015, 11:48:52 pm
Nah, we have a talent of buying or trading our way out of wars. We're also not like the British who would continue fighting until they win; We'd continue fighting until it costs us too much.

We were a world power at some point (like, the 17th century), but definitely not because of our military force. We were kinda like the richest people on the planet for a long time, and I prefer pockets full of gold above any stinky-winky colony.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on March 28, 2015, 11:58:49 pm
The Dutch are kinda garbage at war too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Netherlands

I think the stats are good, KD is decent but we lacked Interventions

Omg I used Wikipedia as a source, hang me pls
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 29, 2015, 12:02:52 am
Dutchie mass text

Re: fse forum attacks

Brothers, we are under attack from the heathens on the fse forums! Gather Dutch brethren and strike them down. Pls bring best battle statistics and insults.

P.S. only pure emotion

- Maurice of Nassau's ghost.

-Message sent at 5:30 pn-
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on March 29, 2015, 12:35:35 am
Kek
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Akko on March 29, 2015, 12:43:57 am
The Dutch are kinda garbage at war too

I love the Dutch, but, well.........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Amsterdam
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on March 29, 2015, 04:10:40 am
The dutch suck at modern war drop the nationalism and go back to your red light district to let off some steam
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on March 29, 2015, 05:19:07 am
Examples can be found in every country's history of why they suck donkey dick (like Duurings filthy hole of a nation) or times when their were amazing and great. National honor and pride has little to do with quality of troop fighting, that's attributed to more direct training methods, causes for war, and commanders

In conclusion, suck a donkey dick
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on March 29, 2015, 12:08:11 pm
Dutchie mass text

Re: fse forum attacks

Brothers, we are under attack from the heathens on the fse forums! Gather Dutch brethren and strike them down. Pls bring best battle statistics and insults.

P.S. only pure emotion

- Maurice of Nassau's ghost.

-Message sent at 5:30 pn-

The Yank is on to us! Run!
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on March 29, 2015, 01:06:53 pm
The dutch suck at modern war drop the nationalism and go back to your red light district to let off some steam

And that is based on???
Not saying you're wrong as I personally don't know it, but I would like to know from what you draw that conclusion.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on March 29, 2015, 01:14:41 pm
The dutch suck at modern war drop the nationalism and go back to your red light district to let off some steam

If you're so keen on starting a flame war, you might just as well bring up some content to back this up, because you're only only spreading bullshit now.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Akko on March 29, 2015, 01:17:52 pm
The dutch suck at modern war drop the nationalism and go back to your red light district to let off some steam

And that is based on???
Not saying you're wrong as I personally don't know it, but I would like to know from what you draw that conclusion.

He's drawing that conclusion from his ass.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on March 29, 2015, 01:29:24 pm
The dutch suck at modern war drop the nationalism and go back to your red light district to let off some steam

And that is based on???
Not saying you're wrong as I personally don't know it, but I would like to know from what you draw that conclusion.

He's drawing that conclusion from his ass.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking...
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on March 29, 2015, 02:30:07 pm
He's just a troll.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 29, 2015, 08:28:54 pm
Holy shit nationalism actually just turns people into cucumbers. The fuck?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on March 30, 2015, 09:22:53 am
He's just a troll.

<3 I got sources to back it up bae

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino%E2%80%93Dutch_conflicts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%E1%BB%8Bnh%E2%80%93Nguy%E1%BB%85n_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch%E2%80%93Portuguese_War (Arguable)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian%E2%80%93Dutch_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Ostend
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Dutch_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Anglo-Dutch_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Dutch_War "Het Rampjaar"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolutionary_Wars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batavian_Republic)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Java_%281811%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Revolution (RIP)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Days%27_Campaign
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aceh_War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_War (Those losses deserved a mention)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Netherlands (5 days lel) "Casualties were high in the five days campaign as over 10,000 Dutch soldiers were killed, injured or declared missing."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_Indies_campaign
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Java_Sea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_National_Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Surabaya)


Please go through these links and justify every single one of them



Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 30, 2015, 09:51:25 am
The sad part is that someone is actually probably going to do that.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Wolff on March 30, 2015, 11:18:25 am
ItalyWorstEU only some itals good but most bad fighting. no war nation ja its true cuz that was also said by ital generals in ww2 "we no fighting nation like jermains - we nation of dolce vita, vino and much culture". ital generals always bad look at isonzo. renessaince never counts we speak bout war not bout shitty shit gay lets do a bit pussy fight time. romans no count neither cuz romans no ital. romans (italics) nordic aryan ja its true. but then a lot of sandniggas, merchants, sandniggamerchants and capitalists and capitalist from judea came and took the strong and healthful nordic-italic farmer and warrior people their power and mixed blood and that is when rome got shitty and romans got fat and lazy and killed each other and then  tried to Reich but failed. Ja max truth. Sad but true. Ital ital ital
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on March 30, 2015, 01:11:35 pm
The sad part is that someone is actually probably going to do that.

+1 Nipplestockings- The friendliest nipple of all the lands.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on March 30, 2015, 01:17:37 pm
Lol
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on March 30, 2015, 01:47:36 pm
Lol

If you need a white flag I'm sure France has some to spare.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on March 30, 2015, 02:17:02 pm
Wait, how is the Franco-Dutch war a defeat for us? We were insanely outnumbered and slapped England, France, Munster and Keulen three times in the face.

Sure, we had to flood half the country, but still, victory is victory.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on March 30, 2015, 02:18:44 pm
Wait, how is the Franco-Dutch war a defeat for us? We were insanely outnumbered and slapped England, France, Munster and Keulen three times in the face.

Sure, we had to flood half the country, but still, victory is victory.

HOw cAn u Fl0od Aa COunTrY aLReaDy unDdeRWateR? -jaden smith
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on March 30, 2015, 02:19:49 pm
When people are talking about wars in their nation's past...why do they use the word "we" as if they were there?

muh muh nationalism
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on March 30, 2015, 02:20:31 pm
When people are talking about wars in their nation's past...why do they use the word "we" as if they were there?

muh muh nationalism

The wikipedia article was so detailed it was almost like i was there fighting alongside my countrymen brah
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on March 30, 2015, 02:34:27 pm
Lol

If you need a white flag I'm sure France has some to spare.

Haha, no thanks
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on March 30, 2015, 02:41:55 pm

If you need a white flag I'm sure France has some to spare.

lol I thought they ran out sometime in the Algerian War
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on March 30, 2015, 02:43:12 pm

If you need a white flag I'm sure France has some to spare.

lol I thought they ran out sometime in the Algerian War

REKT greece master race
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 30, 2015, 06:29:47 pm
I was there. I SEEN IT WUTH MINE OWN TWO EYES. DON'T YOU EVER TELL ME WHAT I AIN'T SEEN. I know what I done seen on thus fine earth and it ain't pretty I tell yu that
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on March 30, 2015, 06:47:39 pm
I was there. I SEEN IT WUTH MINE OWN TWO EYES. DON'T YOU EVER TELL ME WHAT I AIN'T SEEN. I know what I done seen on thus fine earth and it ain't pretty I tell yu that

Says the American.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on March 30, 2015, 06:58:08 pm
I was there. I SEEN IT WUTH MINE OWN TWO EYES. DON'T YOU EVER TELL ME WHAT I AIN'T SEEN. I know what I done seen on thus fine earth and it ain't pretty I tell yu that

Says the American.
Says the bird
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 30, 2015, 07:03:38 pm
I was there. I SEEN IT WUTH MINE OWN TWO EYES. DON'T YOU EVER TELL ME WHAT I AIN'T SEEN. I know what I done seen on thus fine earth and it ain't pretty I tell yu that

Says the American.

Oh right. Actually I singlehandedly fought every single war America war a part of. Hey riddlez, remember when I bailed you out when the Nazis overran you with little to no resistance? Ohh right cool cool no worries bro it was no problem. Mmm
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on March 30, 2015, 07:21:36 pm
I was there. I SEEN IT WUTH MINE OWN TWO EYES. DON'T YOU EVER TELL ME WHAT I AIN'T SEEN. I know what I done seen on thus fine earth and it ain't pretty I tell yu that

Says the American.

Hey riddlez, remember when I bailed you out when the Nazis overran you with little to no resistance?

No, I wasn't there.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 30, 2015, 07:27:36 pm
Oh sorry must've been duuring.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on March 30, 2015, 07:28:00 pm
Oh sorry must've been duuring.

Oh, Duuring  ::)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on March 30, 2015, 07:29:33 pm
My family was in the colonies at the time. Never saw no nazi's. Only Japs. And they were liberated by the British.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on March 30, 2015, 10:22:22 pm
My family was in the colonies at the time. Never saw no nazi's. Only Japs. And they were liberated by the British.

Still not you. Close, but not quite.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 30, 2015, 10:33:23 pm
duuring gave birth to his parents.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on March 30, 2015, 10:47:49 pm
duuring gave birth to us all
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on March 30, 2015, 11:29:40 pm
Birth is Duuring
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: hardcorefreestyleboy on March 31, 2015, 12:28:52 pm
Wtf is wrong with you people
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Betaknight on March 31, 2015, 12:47:06 pm
I know Aruba and Curacao saw Nazi's (UBoats). In Aruba one torpedo landed on the beach and there were also many oil ships destroyed.
Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthescuttlefish.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2Ftorp-huge.jpg&hash=4075d3cfa80d40c1ebd25032170df6ef5c4c9fd1)
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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on March 31, 2015, 02:44:56 pm
I know Aruba and Curacao saw Nazi's (UBoats). In Aruba one torpedo landed on the beach and there were also many oil ships destroyed.
Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthescuttlefish.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2Ftorp-huge.jpg&hash=4075d3cfa80d40c1ebd25032170df6ef5c4c9fd1)
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Didn't this torpedo explode a few days later and kill some soldiers?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on March 31, 2015, 02:51:42 pm
Wait, is that a Dutch soldier wearing the colonial straw hat? But he's not even in the East Indies! Shameful!
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on March 31, 2015, 02:53:03 pm
Sorry

Oxymorons like "Dutch soldier" do not register
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Betaknight on March 31, 2015, 05:13:56 pm
I know Aruba and Curacao saw Nazi's (UBoats). In Aruba one torpedo landed on the beach and there were also many oil ships destroyed.
Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthescuttlefish.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2Ftorp-huge.jpg&hash=4075d3cfa80d40c1ebd25032170df6ef5c4c9fd1)
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Didn't this torpedo explode a few days later and kill some soldiers?
Yes four dutch marines died when they were examining it (it blew up).
For those interested in the failure and also possibly the derpiest moment in German Uboat warfare:
Spoiler
On 16 February, after observing the area for a few days, U-156 came around to the refineries. There in front of her target were two Lago Company steamers, SS Pedernales and Oranjestad, both British owned oilers. At 01:31, U-156 surfaced in San Nicholas Harbor some 1.5 km (0.81 nmi; 0.93 mi) offshore and attacked the two British tankers at anchor. Hartenstein ordered the firing of one torpedo from his bow tubes at Pedernales. The torpedo attack was successful and Pedernales was hit amidship. Loaded with crude oil, the steamer immediately burst into flames, killing eight of her 26 crewmen and wounding her captain Herbert McCall.[1] Oranjestad then began to lift anchor and steam away but she was too late and was hit by a second torpedo fired from U-156. She too burst into flames and an hour later, sunk in about 70 m (230 ft) of water. Fifteen of her 22 crewmen were killed.[2] At this time, several Dutch sailors flocked to their small wooden patrol craft at harbor in order to get them away from the burning oil of the tankers.

At 03:13, U-156 attacked the Texaco owned tanker SS Arkansas which was berthed at Eagle Beach next to the Arend/Eagle Refinery. Just one of the torpedoes struck Arkansas and partially sank her but the damage was moderate and caused no casualties.[3] Commander Hartenstein then steamed further around Aruba and directed his men to take to the deck guns and prepare for a naval bombardment of the large oil tank in view. The crew of the 105 mm (4.1 in) gun forgot to remove the water cap from the barrel, so when Hartenstein ordered them to fire, the gun blew up in the faces of the two gunners. Gunnery Officer Dietrich von dem Borne was wounded badly, one foot having been severed. His comrade and trigger man Heinrich Büssinger was badly wounded as well and died several hours after the attack. Hartenstein ordered the 37 mm (1.46 in) flak gun to continue the attack.

Sixteen rounds from the 37mm AA gun were fired, but only two hits were found by the Allies: a dent in an oil storage tank and a hole in a house. In disgust[citation needed] Hartenstein ordered a cease-fire, and set his course toward the other end of the island. En route, U-156 was found and attacked by a Fokker F.XVIII maritime patrol aircraft of the Netherlands West Indies Defence Force which took off from Oranjestad, Aruba at 05.55 hours and dropped a number of 8 kg (80 mm) improvised anti-submarine bombs without achieving a hit.[4] The U-boat continued towards Oranjestad harbor and at 09.43 hours torpedoed the Arkansas lying at the pier of the Eagle Refinery, after missing with two torpedoes.[citation needed]

Meanwhile, the six other Axis boats patrolled the area in search of oil tankers. U-502 under Lieutenant Commander Jürgen von Rosenstiel made contact with at least three Allied vessels that day in the Gulf of Venezuela, two British oilers, SS Tia Juana[5] and San Nicolas.[6] were sunk along with the Venezuelan steamer Monagas.[7] U-67, under Captain Günther Müller-Stöckheim, attacked two additional tankers off Curaçao that morning. Stockheim fired four torpedoes from his bow tubes at the tankers in Willemstad Harbor. All four failed to hit their targets or failed to explode. Stockheim tried again and fired two more torpedoes from his stern tubes at the Dutch Rafaela; one hit and heavily damaged the ship.[8] U-67 then slipped away, unaware a United States Army Air Corps A-20 Havoc light bomber was in pursuit. The aircraft dropped its payload of both flares and explosives when over the surfaced U-boat but the bombs missed and U-67 submerged and got away. The flames from burning steamers around Aruba were reportedly so large that they could be seen easily from Curaçao.[citation needed]

The four other U-boats and submarines were apparently unsuccessful in engaging Allied ships that morning. The Dutch patrol boats did not engage either.
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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on March 31, 2015, 06:01:32 pm
I know Aruba and Curacao saw Nazi's (UBoats). In Aruba one torpedo landed on the beach and there were also many oil ships destroyed.
Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthescuttlefish.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2Ftorp-huge.jpg&hash=4075d3cfa80d40c1ebd25032170df6ef5c4c9fd1)
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Didn't this torpedo explode a few days later and kill some soldiers?
Yes four dutch marines died when they were examining it (it blew up).
For those interested in the failure and also possibly the derpiest moment in German Uboat warfare:
Spoiler
On 16 February, after observing the area for a few days, U-156 came around to the refineries. There in front of her target were two Lago Company steamers, SS Pedernales and Oranjestad, both British owned oilers. At 01:31, U-156 surfaced in San Nicholas Harbor some 1.5 km (0.81 nmi; 0.93 mi) offshore and attacked the two British tankers at anchor. Hartenstein ordered the firing of one torpedo from his bow tubes at Pedernales. The torpedo attack was successful and Pedernales was hit amidship. Loaded with crude oil, the steamer immediately burst into flames, killing eight of her 26 crewmen and wounding her captain Herbert McCall.[1] Oranjestad then began to lift anchor and steam away but she was too late and was hit by a second torpedo fired from U-156. She too burst into flames and an hour later, sunk in about 70 m (230 ft) of water. Fifteen of her 22 crewmen were killed.[2] At this time, several Dutch sailors flocked to their small wooden patrol craft at harbor in order to get them away from the burning oil of the tankers.

At 03:13, U-156 attacked the Texaco owned tanker SS Arkansas which was berthed at Eagle Beach next to the Arend/Eagle Refinery. Just one of the torpedoes struck Arkansas and partially sank her but the damage was moderate and caused no casualties.[3] Commander Hartenstein then steamed further around Aruba and directed his men to take to the deck guns and prepare for a naval bombardment of the large oil tank in view. The crew of the 105 mm (4.1 in) gun forgot to remove the water cap from the barrel, so when Hartenstein ordered them to fire, the gun blew up in the faces of the two gunners. Gunnery Officer Dietrich von dem Borne was wounded badly, one foot having been severed. His comrade and trigger man Heinrich Büssinger was badly wounded as well and died several hours after the attack. Hartenstein ordered the 37 mm (1.46 in) flak gun to continue the attack.

Sixteen rounds from the 37mm AA gun were fired, but only two hits were found by the Allies: a dent in an oil storage tank and a hole in a house. In disgust[citation needed] Hartenstein ordered a cease-fire, and set his course toward the other end of the island. En route, U-156 was found and attacked by a Fokker F.XVIII maritime patrol aircraft of the Netherlands West Indies Defence Force which took off from Oranjestad, Aruba at 05.55 hours and dropped a number of 8 kg (80 mm) improvised anti-submarine bombs without achieving a hit.[4] The U-boat continued towards Oranjestad harbor and at 09.43 hours torpedoed the Arkansas lying at the pier of the Eagle Refinery, after missing with two torpedoes.[citation needed]

Meanwhile, the six other Axis boats patrolled the area in search of oil tankers. U-502 under Lieutenant Commander Jürgen von Rosenstiel made contact with at least three Allied vessels that day in the Gulf of Venezuela, two British oilers, SS Tia Juana[5] and San Nicolas.[6] were sunk along with the Venezuelan steamer Monagas.[7] U-67, under Captain Günther Müller-Stöckheim, attacked two additional tankers off Curaçao that morning. Stockheim fired four torpedoes from his bow tubes at the tankers in Willemstad Harbor. All four failed to hit their targets or failed to explode. Stockheim tried again and fired two more torpedoes from his stern tubes at the Dutch Rafaela; one hit and heavily damaged the ship.[8] U-67 then slipped away, unaware a United States Army Air Corps A-20 Havoc light bomber was in pursuit. The aircraft dropped its payload of both flares and explosives when over the surfaced U-boat but the bombs missed and U-67 submerged and got away. The flames from burning steamers around Aruba were reportedly so large that they could be seen easily from Curaçao.[citation needed]

The four other U-boats and submarines were apparently unsuccessful in engaging Allied ships that morning. The Dutch patrol boats did not engage either.
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lol
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Liman von Sanders on July 07, 2015, 06:01:49 pm
Italians, Frenchs.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Gamboji on July 10, 2015, 01:08:18 am
We atleast tried. Then the great Andrew Jackson sent the brits packing at the Battle of New Orleans.

You sure did, funny how you had 2000+ more men and still lost. ;)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on July 10, 2015, 04:00:41 am
Italians, Frenchs.

You lack knowledge obviously...
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Bootvs on July 12, 2015, 09:56:58 am
The Mexicans.
They lost the Texas Revolution, the Mexican-American war, and depending on who you ask, the current Drug War.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: fieldshire on July 12, 2015, 10:04:51 am
It's really difficult to say which nation is worst at wars since many have had many ups and downs in history. Best probably to answer with a colonial nation like in Latin America.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Liman von Sanders on July 15, 2015, 07:06:06 pm
Italians, Frenchs.

You lack knowledge obviously...

No, history can teach this easily.  ;)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Ted on July 15, 2015, 07:32:34 pm
Italians, Frenchs.

You lack knowledge obviously...

+1
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Suns on July 16, 2015, 09:20:41 am
Italians, Frenchs.

You lack knowledge obviously...

No, history can teach this easily.  ;)

Why France? xD Look what happened to France during the Napoleonic Wars lol
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on July 16, 2015, 09:21:45 am
France is a nation of limpdicked retards.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on July 16, 2015, 03:43:43 pm
Y
Title: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: fieldshire on July 16, 2015, 03:45:51 pm
Limpdicks can be good yah know
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on July 16, 2015, 09:35:35 pm
Italy gave us the roman empire and have faired decently in other wars. France has ALWAYS been a major nation and force to be reckoned with. The kingdom of France. And the French empire alone prove their worth in war. Not to mention Francia etc etc etc...
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on July 16, 2015, 09:43:55 pm
mfw Italians think they have Roman blood in them

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FhqOl7UJOVZJUk%2Fgiphy.gif&hash=1d653f60371ed3aaae035504aa5fe0affb10fcc8)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on July 16, 2015, 10:13:05 pm
Romans are itialian doe lol.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Windflower on July 16, 2015, 10:14:59 pm
Italy really did so much in WW1, oh boy did they help so much!
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Bramif on July 16, 2015, 10:17:35 pm
Same goes for WW2.. Fucking Italy...
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on July 16, 2015, 10:19:55 pm
Italy got fucked over by europe its not their fault. :'(
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: AeroNinja on July 16, 2015, 10:20:31 pm
Antarctica
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Bramif on July 16, 2015, 10:26:44 pm
Antarctica
Has Antarctica ever lost a war?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Erik le Rouge on July 16, 2015, 10:27:15 pm
France helped a nation of limpdicked retards becoming independent.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: AeroNinja on July 16, 2015, 10:28:44 pm
Antarctica
Has Antarctica ever lost a war?
nope but they also didnt won any
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Bramif on July 16, 2015, 10:32:17 pm
France helped a nation of limpdicked retards becoming independent.
US hate intensifies
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: AeroNinja on July 16, 2015, 10:34:23 pm
France helped a nation of limpdicked retards becoming independent.
+1 tho
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on July 16, 2015, 10:55:10 pm
Romans are itialian doe lol.

Right, because human populations stay exactly the same in their genetic makeup over thousands of years.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on July 16, 2015, 10:58:38 pm
No but i mean by geographical location they are all technically italian.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on July 16, 2015, 10:59:40 pm
Italians, Frenchs.

You lack knowledge obviously...

No, history can teach this easily.  ;)

Why France? xD Look what happened to France during the Napoleonic Wars lol

Looks around the FSE forum once a month, finds this post

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FTnG_uLDi7IU%2Fhqdefault.jpg&hash=77ef0616aca2b03d3bf1759cde59ea97aec60322)

Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on July 16, 2015, 11:00:38 pm
Romans are itialian doe lol.

Right, because human populations stay exactly the same in their genetic makeup over thousands of years.
Sounds like Italians and Romans were a race.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: fieldshire on July 16, 2015, 11:02:05 pm
Africa
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Windflower on July 16, 2015, 11:44:35 pm
Africa
...

Anglo-Zulu War
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: fieldshire on July 16, 2015, 11:47:58 pm
Africa
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Windflower on July 16, 2015, 11:59:47 pm
Africa
...

Boer War
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Mr T on July 17, 2015, 01:03:55 am
This topic should have stayed dead.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Akko on July 17, 2015, 02:07:29 am
Romans are itialian doe lol.

Right, because human populations stay exactly the same in their genetic makeup over thousands of years.
Well, Italians do have a significant Roman admixture. But there is also a lot of Germanic, Berber, and not mentioning the Romanised Celts, Slavs, and other peoples.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on July 17, 2015, 02:10:32 am
Africa
...

Boer War
The only Africans that ever won a war against Europeans were actually Dutch. :)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on July 17, 2015, 02:52:43 am
Romans are itialian doe lol.

Right, because human populations stay exactly the same in their genetic makeup over thousands of years.
Well, Italians do have a significant Roman admixture. But there is also a lot of Germanic, Berber, and not mentioning the Romanised Celts, Slavs, and other peoples.

Italians are 100% African.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on July 17, 2015, 02:59:13 am
Dirty dagos

Italians are as Roman as my penis is a vagina
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Akko on July 17, 2015, 03:31:13 am
Africa
...

Boer War
The only Africans that ever won a war against Europeans were actually Dutch. :)
lolwut. The Boers aren't Dutch u fggt. git ur facts strait m8
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: fieldshire on July 17, 2015, 08:45:04 am
Kappa
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on July 17, 2015, 08:48:02 am
Kappa mo' dappa
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on July 17, 2015, 08:48:27 am
I thought you had to go to sleep you cumguzzling porch ape.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: fieldshire on July 17, 2015, 08:48:44 am

I thought you had to go to sleep you cumguzzling porch ape.
ikr wtf Howe
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on July 17, 2015, 08:50:00 am
I can't sleep

I'm too steamy


Ok, putting down phone

Sleeping


¿K?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on July 17, 2015, 08:50:35 am
Bigus Blackus
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: fieldshire on July 17, 2015, 08:51:31 am

I can't sleep

I'm too steamy


Ok, putting down phone

Sleeping


¿K?
we should of fucked on Yareel or on Europa but noooo go to sleep bitch
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on July 22, 2015, 06:47:34 pm
Italy after the roman empire. They barely did anything after that up until the 20th century, but even then. They didn't do anything in world war 1. They lost so badly in world war 2, the germans had to help them around every corner.

*ILL INVADE GREECE*
*Greeks start winning*
*GERMONEY, PLZ HELP!*
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Salcos on July 22, 2015, 07:38:30 pm
Italy, they weren't effective in WW1 or WW2 and the only wars I can think of them winning is involving Venice or themselves
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Bramif on July 22, 2015, 08:06:36 pm
Germany is actually pretty bad too... Not to talk about my own country.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Cazasar on July 22, 2015, 08:12:57 pm
Germany is actually pretty bad too... Not to talk about my own country.
could you elaborate ?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Bramif on July 22, 2015, 08:15:47 pm
Germany is actually pretty bad too... Not to talk about my own country.
could you elaborate ?
Germany got fucked over in all the wars it has fought. And my country, Denmark, has lost most wars it has fought, since the medieval times. Not to talk about the fact that we surrendered to the germans after only 6 hours in ww2
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on July 22, 2015, 11:19:00 pm
australia because we know the answer to this one

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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on July 22, 2015, 11:35:43 pm
Emus rekt the aussies.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Charles MackMoose on July 24, 2015, 12:50:17 pm
Austria...

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs28.postimg.org%2Fmuq6z1oz1%2Faustria.jpg&hash=265c801e1afb23d7e37109475dbc6625021a32d0)
[close]
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Wolff on July 24, 2015, 01:23:03 pm
Most likely a legend. There ain't any proof for 10.000.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on July 24, 2015, 08:31:41 pm
Yeah that didn't happen. Some bucko made it up 50 years later in an article for attention.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on July 25, 2015, 02:09:20 am
Yeah that didn't happen. Some bucko made it up 50 years later in an article for attention.
He should just have saved us years of intellectual rape and just have cut himself
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Queeeen on July 25, 2015, 02:51:13 am
So... he wasn't French. That's my point. His family was from Florentine. Therefore, France is bad at wars  8)

No. Napoleon identified as French and was trained in the art of war in a French military school but I guess that's irrelevant to the constant need by many Americans to French-bash

I actually love the French, and I see no need to bash one of our most loyal allies in history. Ignorant Americans bash the French. Even French Americans are bashed (Cajuns, Creoles, etc) , which is even worse. Also, the French are a quite diverse people. Various peoples have contributed to France's success on the world stage. Jews, Poles, Germans, Italians, Bretons, North Africans, Asians, etc have all contributed to France and form quite a large population in France itself.
People go on about how the US saved us during both wars (2nd more than 1st) but you wouldn't be anything without the french sending an army to help you fight the british imperialists! You would've stayed a colony! I don't know what the world would be like today without you though. :(
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Queeeen on July 25, 2015, 02:54:25 am
Come kill our capital now breh

Word.

France nowadays didn't even have the balls to attack Iraq, LOL. Surrendered while they could  ;D
They didn't want to send men to die for a shit cause! Some minister went on for a 5 hour speech in the UN that convinced the UN not to make france send any forces! The right thing to do! The US should've went in without anyone for a lost cause :(
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Queeeen on July 25, 2015, 02:56:02 am
So you are saying that the French didn't try?

Btw the French have the most military victories in history.

lol sure  :-X
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Army
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Queeeen on July 25, 2015, 02:57:53 am
France suffers some 6.1 million causalities in WWI and the sheer bravery of their troops at places like the Marne and Verdun practically saves their nation and Allied positions on the Western Front.

But wait, Adolf Hitler had planes and the French understandably didn't want another mass slaughter like they had suffered in WWI (which almost wiped out an entire generation of men) so I guess France 4ever sux and shame.

Yep that's what happens when a country sucks at fighting wars  ;)
The french had the courage to go fight against better trained and equipped german soldiers with gaz, machine guns ect... They eventually got the same weapons after some time fightig.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Queeeen on July 25, 2015, 02:59:55 am
I'd say the Swiss have had a bad time with war. It doesn't make them particularly bad at fighting but the Swiss lost a battle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Marignano#Eternal_Peace) in 1515 that forced them to swear eternal peace which has been virtually unbroken.
They also protected Louis XV on the 14/07/1789 against parisians and some guards that turned agains him :p
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Queeeen on July 25, 2015, 03:02:33 am
This thread: Nationalistic dick contest.

You'd be speaking German if it weren't for us.

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Ffacebook%2F000%2F064%2F268%2Fgirl_gun_fuck_yeah1.jpg&hash=6394af8e22f79136c159a1bb540178f8a17c79d3)
You'd be speaking with a fancy english accent if it wasn't for the french ^^
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on July 25, 2015, 03:03:11 am
Chosen1 is  banned

You're talking to an idiot and into the void
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Queeeen on July 25, 2015, 03:03:58 am
The Dutch are kinda garbage at war too

Explain, please. I recall an astonoshing fight in WWII while the Dutch were basically using WWI equipment and sometimes even blackpowder artillery and poorly trained men.
I recall the Netherlands being a world power at some point, defeating the English on sea and beating French on the ground.

So yes, please explain to me how the Dutch are garbage at war.
They beat alot of nations because they both alot of mercenaries :D
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Queeeen on July 25, 2015, 03:07:51 am
France helped a nation of limpdicked retards becoming independent.
<3
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: TheRedRedcoat on August 21, 2015, 08:40:30 am
I love how anyone who says France on this thread gets immediately hit with the "muh Napoleonic Wars".
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on August 21, 2015, 10:20:54 am
Queeeen sextuple posted. ban.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Queeeen on August 21, 2015, 03:07:52 pm
Queeeen sextuple posted. ban.
m8 that's all I need right now
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on August 21, 2015, 03:54:42 pm
Chosen1 is  banned
Wat

All the nice people get banned. :'(
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on August 21, 2015, 08:18:21 pm
I love how anyone who says France on this thread gets immediately hit with the "muh Napoleonic Wars".

Yeah the greatest pride of the French is an Italian pudgebucket.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Suns on August 22, 2015, 09:38:10 am
I love how anyone who says France on this thread gets immediately hit with the "muh Napoleonic Wars".

Yeah the greatest pride of the French is an Italian pudgebucket.

He was a French General though, so I think its fair to count it for France...
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: TheRedRedcoat on August 22, 2015, 10:22:58 am
I love how anyone who says France on this thread gets immediately hit with the "muh Napoleonic Wars".

Yeah the greatest pride of the French is an Italian pudgebucket.

And If you try to count him for Italy, he's not even really Italian. The French did well in the napoleonic wars and revolutionary wars because they had more men.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Mr T on August 22, 2015, 10:58:28 am
And amazing leaders
And great training
And great army structure

Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: TheRedRedcoat on August 22, 2015, 07:00:27 pm
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And amazing leaders
Their leaders were only successful because of their numbers. Their tactics were mass assaults in columns that were very costly in lives. French leaders knew they had superior manpower and exploited it.
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And great training
Training? Most of their men were sent off as green conscripts. Their training was what they experienced on the battlefield.
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And great army structure
Fair enough, but useless without the numbers.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on August 22, 2015, 07:55:20 pm
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And amazing leaders
Their leaders were only successful because of their numbers. Their tactics were mass assaults in columns that were very costly in lives. French leaders knew they had superior manpower and exploited it.

Stop reading Sharpe and start reading a history book. The French revolutionized the way battles were fought and had very mobile armies, partly due to their intensive use of light infantry on mass scale. Even the British agreed that a French light infantry man was better then a British one.


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And great training
Training? Most of their men were sent off as green conscripts. Their training was what they experienced on the battlefield.

That's only true for the very early (1792) and very late (1814) period. French troops received weeks of drill if time permitted, and trained up to three hours. British troops were obviously more trained, but that's mostly because the British could decide when to fight and when to run back to the sea, giving them the advantage of being able to pick their battles. Corunna and Walcheren are two great examples of British only not being totally defeated because the Navy turned up.

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And great army structure
Fair enough, but useless without the numbers.

French army structure was much better then the British structure and would remain better until well into World war 1. Especially the British officer corps was, frankly, a joke.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on August 22, 2015, 08:30:19 pm
I also read this column thing in Sharpe.

Bernard Cornwell seems to be an influential man.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on August 22, 2015, 08:58:40 pm
He's a well-known nationalist with no respect for actual history or historians.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on August 22, 2015, 09:35:14 pm
For a second I thought you were talking about me. :3
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: TheRedRedcoat on August 22, 2015, 09:41:58 pm

Quote
And amazing leaders
Their leaders were only successful because of their numbers. Their tactics were mass assaults in columns that were very costly in lives. French leaders knew they had superior manpower and exploited it.

Stop reading Sharpe and start reading a history book. The French revolutionized the way battles were fought and had very mobile armies, partly due to their intensive use of light infantry on mass scale. Even the British agreed that a French light infantry man was better then a British one.


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And great training
Training? Most of their men were sent off as green conscripts. Their training was what they experienced on the battlefield.

That's only true for the very early (1792) and very late (1814) period. French troops received weeks of drill if time permitted, and trained up to three hours. British troops were obviously more trained, but that's mostly because the British could decide when to fight and when to run back to the sea, giving them the advantage of being able to pick their battles. Corunna and Walcheren are two great examples of British only not being totally defeated because the Navy turned up.

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And great army structure
Fair enough, but useless without the numbers.

French army structure was much better then the British structure and would remain better until well into World war 1. Especially the British officer corps was, frankly, a joke.

Did I cite Sharpe as a source? They're entertaining books, but I understand they aren't valid sources. I think your intense hostility towards Cornwell is in his shitty portrayal of the Prince of Orange. And why are you comparing the French army to the British? I'm fully aware that the British army of the period didn't compare to the French army. My point is that the success of the French was based on their numbers. They revolutionized the way battles were fought because they fought in a less limited way. Battles in the 18th century would have relatively light casualties because neither side wanted to risk their armies. The French had men to replace those that were lost, so they went all in.

Edit: By the way, the column attack was a tactic used by the French that failed quite frequently.
From Wikipedia:
Spoiler
During the early stages of the French Revolutionary Wars, battalions in French armies often attacked in column formation in an attempt to drive through enemy lines by sheer weight of numbers. Against enemy units already weakened by the fire from skirmishers or artillery, this was often successful. Later, during the Napoleonic Wars, French units would approach in column formation and deploy into line when close to the enemy. However, against the British they frequently failed to deploy into line before being engaged.[1] During the Peninsular War, after the Battle of Sabugal (3 April 1811), the Duke of Wellington wrote, "our loss is much less than one would have supposed possible, scarcely 200 men... really these attacks against our lines with columns of men are contemptible." [2] These failings were still evident at the Battle of Waterloo in 1815,[3] prompting Wellington to comment, "They came on in the same old way and we defeated them in the same old way
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http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/organization/maida/c_maida3.html
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on August 22, 2015, 11:02:28 pm
RedCoat are you fucking retarded? I have so much to say about the idiotic things you have just posted that my fingers would fly off in the midst of me typing out my rage inspired text walls. Instead though i will simply leave you with this...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymPpIzaanhY[/youtube]
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: TheRedRedcoat on August 22, 2015, 11:09:00 pm
RedCoat are you fucking retarded? I have so much to say about the idiotic things you have just posted that my fingers would fly off in the midst of me typing out my rage inspired text walls. Instead though i will simply leave you with this...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymPpIzaanhY[/youtube]

k. You obviously know so much about this topic.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on August 22, 2015, 11:18:26 pm
I am not saying i am the most educated on the subject, but you certainly are not. And for you to try and argue/debate when you OBVIOUSLY lack proper information and are drawing from searches that you likely did as you posted. Its disrespectful not only to history as a whole, but anyone who appreciates military history and truth.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: TheRedRedcoat on August 22, 2015, 11:34:14 pm
I am not saying i am the most educated on the subject, but you certainly are not. And for you to try and argue/debate when you OBVIOUSLY lack proper information and are drawing from searches that you likely did as you posted. Its disrespectful not only to history as a whole, but anyone who appreciates military history and truth.

I posted reliable sources to back up my claims. How does that demonstrate that I lack proper information, and how is that disrespectful to history as a whole? This is a thread for historical discussion, not for throwing shade at random 3eVolt members. Please take the salt somewhere else.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on August 23, 2015, 12:01:38 am
Ok let me wreck you real quick...

You said french won due to numerical advantages. WRONG!

In nearly every battle of the Napoleonic wars especially the larger battles France was out manned.

You tried to argue that french generals/leaders were incompetent and only won due to a manpower advantage. (Which they didn't even have) WRONG!

Napoleon and his Marechals were some of the greatest generals to ever lead in battle. Marechal Lannes ALONE proves that to be fact.

You claimed french troops had poor drill.

Yet the french troops were more mobile then any other army in the entire world they also did this without using corporal punishment to keep discipline.

and i could go on and on but its not my job to give you a proper education. Also your regiment has nothing to do with your individual idiocy.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on August 23, 2015, 12:08:28 am
You're a funny guy, Marceaux.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: TheRedRedcoat on August 23, 2015, 12:16:23 am
Ok let me wreck you real quick...

You said french won due to numerical advantages. WRONG!

In nearly every battle of the Napoleonic wars especially the larger battles France was out manned.

You tried to argue that french generals/leaders were incompetent and only won due to a manpower advantage. (Which they didn't even have) WRONG!

Napoleon and his Marechals were some of the greatest generals to ever lead in battle. Marechal Lannes ALONE proves that to be fact.

You claimed french troops had poor drill.

Yet the french troops were more mobile then any other army in the entire world they also did this without using corporal punishment to keep discipline.

and i could go on and on but its not my job to give you a proper education. Also your regiment has nothing to do with your individual idiocy.
 

Congratulations, you missed every single one of my points. Local superiority on the battlefield is not what I'm talking about. The French had massive reserves that could be drawn from in the event of heavy casualties. Despite this advantage, they lost time and time again against Allied forces in the Penninsular war, and were defeated in Russia despite having one of the largest armies ever assembled up until that point. Never did I say that French leaders were incompetent, I only said that they relied heavily on their manpower for their tactics. In the Revolutionary wars, the French nearly always outnumbered their enemies. And I did not claim the French had poor drill, but I did say that there was nothing superior in their training to that of any other army of the period. Marshal Lannes was a brave man and a good leader, as were the rest of Napoleon's Marshals (for the most part) but this does not make them the fucking war gods that you seem to think they are.

tl:dr you're retarded and basically just repeated what Duuring said, demonstrating you don't know shit. You demonstrated your autism most clearly when you told me I was "disrespecting history"  :'(
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on August 23, 2015, 12:29:53 am
Ok lets look at manpower outside individual battles. France 800,000 at the height of the grand armee. Height of the coalition 1,000,000+. And you are trying to make general statements yet when it comes to individual points you have nothing.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on August 23, 2015, 12:31:54 am
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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: TheRedRedcoat on August 23, 2015, 12:32:18 am
In nearly every battle of the Napoleonic wars especially the larger battles France was out manned.
Napoleon and his Marechals were some of the greatest generals to ever lead in battle. Marechal Lannes ALONE proves that to be fact.
Yet the french troops were more mobile then any other army in the entire world they also did this without using corporal punishment to keep discipline.

If those arent general statements I dont know what are
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: TheRedRedcoat on August 23, 2015, 12:32:42 am
Better grab my popcorn. This gonna be good.

(https://i.imgur.com/4qPX5xn.gif)

BAN
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on August 23, 2015, 12:33:27 am
Double post. Ban.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: TheRedRedcoat on August 23, 2015, 12:38:54 am
Double post. Ban.

RIzp
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on August 23, 2015, 10:21:36 am
Top kek

Tbh I think Marceaux has the dickus longus here.
Long live Baguette. Gott strafe England.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Mr T on August 23, 2015, 11:11:03 am
The French had some of the most incredible leaders of the century, Napoleon for a start, Davout who equaled if not exceeded Napoleon's own military genius. Ney, Lannes, Soult, Massena, Suchet, Saint-Cyr, Berthier, Murat and many excellent generals.

Numbers were definitely NOT the reason France was so successful in the Napoleonic wars. As stated earlier it was they who revolutionized how war was fought.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Colonel Howe on August 23, 2015, 04:40:19 pm
Nationalism is a tasty thing, is it not?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on August 23, 2015, 05:46:25 pm
Nationalism is a tasty thing, is it not?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: James Grant on August 23, 2015, 10:57:09 pm
We can clearly all agree on one thing. Britain is the best at war.

You know what they say?
The British lose every battle but the last.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on August 23, 2015, 11:00:08 pm
usually with foreign aid once they realize Britannia doesn't rule the waves anymore.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on August 23, 2015, 11:09:45 pm
There was corporal punishment in the French army. Maybe not officially, but there are pleeeeeeeeently of sources that confirm men were beaten as a punishment. Sometimes on the buttocks. With shoes.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: TheRedRedcoat on August 24, 2015, 05:39:49 pm
Lol the anglophobia is real
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Turin Turambar on August 24, 2015, 05:58:52 pm
Haha, you are neither gay nor muslim, you can't have your own phobia if people disagree with you.
Nice try though.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: TheRedRedcoat on August 24, 2015, 07:27:35 pm
Haha, you are neither gay nor muslim, you can't have your own phobia if people disagree with you.
Nice try though.

Get away you anti britonite
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Liman von Sanders on August 25, 2015, 08:49:01 am
I forgot Australians.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on August 25, 2015, 08:56:33 am
The real answer is Paraguay btw.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Locust on August 25, 2015, 11:12:13 am
The real answer is Paraguay btw.
Truly a forgotten war of great magnitude.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: TheRedRedcoat on August 25, 2015, 06:00:55 pm
Didn't they lose like 50% of their population?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on August 25, 2015, 09:29:23 pm
Around 70% of their adult male population died.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Windflower on August 25, 2015, 09:45:52 pm
from what war, lol?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on August 25, 2015, 09:47:16 pm
War of the triple alliance.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on August 25, 2015, 09:48:00 pm
Or just Paraguayan War.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: TheRedRedcoat on August 26, 2015, 12:21:59 am
Paraguay got gang raped by Brazil and Argentina   
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Windflower on August 26, 2015, 12:23:25 am
But why Paraguay they are so small :(

That's like America and Canada declaring war on Nicaragua
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: TheRedRedcoat on August 26, 2015, 12:24:35 am
But why Paraguay they are so small :(

Going off memory, they got a crazy expansionist militaristic dictator who attacked every neighboring nation and got rekt in the end.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Windflower on August 26, 2015, 12:28:21 am
But why Paraguay they are so small :(

Going off memory, they got a crazy expansionist militaristic dictator who attacked every neighboring nation and got rekt in the end.

What a bonehead  ::)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Nipplestockings on August 26, 2015, 01:47:12 am
And when his army was defeated he forced the entire population to take part in a brutal guerrilla warfare campaign, which is where most of the country died. Kek.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on August 26, 2015, 02:03:55 am
At least he died bravely.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Windflower on August 26, 2015, 02:46:54 am
Damn
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Seegert on April 06, 2017, 07:23:36 pm
Will I guess it depends on a certain time or war but it also depends overall.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: McPero on June 04, 2017, 02:45:18 pm
italy
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on June 04, 2017, 07:47:46 pm
italy

But Rome?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: The_Tennessean_Mt_Man on July 25, 2017, 03:23:46 am
Africa
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Windflower on July 25, 2017, 03:35:55 am
italy

But Rome?
Isn't Italy
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Phillyz on July 31, 2017, 09:35:22 pm
Iceland?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on July 31, 2017, 10:03:40 pm
Never fought a war.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Olafson on August 01, 2017, 06:02:21 pm
Ofc. they did. 1st and 2nd and 3rd Cod war. And they won ALL. Against the UK, Belgium and Germany!
I would argue that they are reeaaally good.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on August 01, 2017, 10:01:19 pm
Doesn't qualify in any sort of way as a war. Still hilarious. Just threaten to withdraw from NATO and then the US goes tits up because of the Northern Access.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Olafson on August 01, 2017, 10:21:57 pm
It is a great solution!
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Post by: Dazzer on August 04, 2017, 01:19:58 am
Just read through all 21 pages.
This thread is incredible
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Phillyz on August 04, 2017, 10:44:27 pm
Never fought a war.
That's interesting.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: LX_GDuke AugustR on November 19, 2017, 11:32:39 am
Poland. Basically in the midst of all the countries
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Cazasar on November 19, 2017, 12:05:57 pm
Poland. Basically in the midst of all the countries
are you actually from luxemburg?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Betaknight on December 08, 2017, 11:12:30 pm
Guys it's clearly the Netherlands. They got constantly stepped on by other european nations, sometimes they didn't even know it until their face was looking at a bayonet ;)

Duuring is gonna kill me
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Skipper on December 11, 2017, 03:05:47 am
This thread is literal cancer.
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Post by: Pinoy12 on December 11, 2017, 03:27:12 am
the blacks
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Post by: MightyPaiN on December 11, 2017, 08:10:11 am
Finland Switzerland Netherland and Malta
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Johny_Nawalony on January 17, 2018, 11:53:52 pm
Poland. Basically in the midst of all the countries
Before the partitions Poland was not to be fucked with
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on January 18, 2018, 07:17:40 pm
Guys it's clearly the Netherlands. They got constantly stepped on by other european nations, sometimes they didn't even know it until their face was looking at a bayonet ;)

Duuring is gonna kill me

Still not as shit as Italy... Consdering what the Netherlands were facing we did alright... Well except WWII, the invasion of Germany into the NL that must be one of the most hilarious military strategic blunders in our country's history
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Windflower on January 18, 2018, 07:39:10 pm
Guys it's clearly the Netherlands. They got constantly stepped on by other european nations, sometimes they didn't even know it until their face was looking at a bayonet ;)

Duuring is gonna kill me

Still not as shit as Italy... Consdering what the Netherlands were facing we did alright... Well except WWII, the invasion of Germany into the NL that must be one of the most hilarious military strategic blunders in our country's history
When Belgium succeeds in defending their country from a massive German Empire in WW1 but Nethlerlands completely fails the next time around

feelsbad
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on January 18, 2018, 07:58:07 pm
Guys it's clearly the Netherlands. They got constantly stepped on by other european nations, sometimes they didn't even know it until their face was looking at a bayonet ;)

Duuring is gonna kill me

Still not as shit as Italy... Consdering what the Netherlands were facing we did alright... Well except WWII, the invasion of Germany into the NL that must be one of the most hilarious military strategic blunders in our country's history
When Belgium succeeds in defending their country from a massive German Empire in WW1 but Nethlerlands completely fails the next time around

feelsbad

Can't compare the two at all lol

Stop triggering me as a proud Dutchman
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Windflower on January 18, 2018, 08:00:42 pm
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Guys it's clearly the Netherlands. They got constantly stepped on by other european nations, sometimes they didn't even know it until their face was looking at a bayonet ;)

Duuring is gonna kill me

Still not as shit as Italy... Consdering what the Netherlands were facing we did alright... Well except WWII, the invasion of Germany into the NL that must be one of the most hilarious military strategic blunders in our country's history
When Belgium succeeds in defending their country from a massive German Empire in WW1 but Nethlerlands completely fails the next time around

feelsbad

Can't compare the two at all lol

Stop triggering me as a proud Dutchman
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What are you gonna do? Kickbox me?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on January 18, 2018, 09:43:00 pm
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Guys it's clearly the Netherlands. They got constantly stepped on by other european nations, sometimes they didn't even know it until their face was looking at a bayonet ;)

Duuring is gonna kill me

Still not as shit as Italy... Consdering what the Netherlands were facing we did alright... Well except WWII, the invasion of Germany into the NL that must be one of the most hilarious military strategic blunders in our country's history
When Belgium succeeds in defending their country from a massive German Empire in WW1 but Nethlerlands completely fails the next time around

feelsbad

Can't compare the two at all lol

Stop triggering me as a proud Dutchman
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What are you gonna do? Kickbox me?
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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on January 18, 2018, 10:26:26 pm
Guys it's clearly the Netherlands. They got constantly stepped on by other european nations, sometimes they didn't even know it until their face was looking at a bayonet ;)

Duuring is gonna kill me

Still not as shit as Italy... Consdering what the Netherlands were facing we did alright... Well except WWII, the invasion of Germany into the NL that must be one of the most hilarious military strategic blunders in our country's history
When Belgium succeeds in defending their country from a massive German Empire in WW1 but Nethlerlands completely fails the next time around

feelsbad

What Dekkers said, Belgium in WWI was actually in a position to do something... Plus, the BEF came to help. The Dutch in WWI were doomed from the beginning.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 19, 2018, 11:21:10 am
Funnily enough the government and the Army Command both had decided they should join the war by 1917, they just disagreed on which side to join and when they finally solved that conflict the war was almost over anyway.

The Dutch army in '40 did okay considering the Germans expected victory in a single day and it took them 5. Especially the air force and anti-air troops, who gave the German Air Force and Airlanding troops a significant blow that effected its strenght for the Battle of Britain. The Grebbeberg battle was one big mess, sure, but I wouldn't call the entire invasion one big militairy blunder. Belgium held out longer partly because they actually received significant Allied support which the Netherlands never received, partly because they weren't terror-bombed into a surrender.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on January 19, 2018, 12:45:01 pm
Funnily enough the government and the Army Command both had decided they should join the war by 1917, they just disagreed on which side to join and when they finally solved that conflict the war was almost over anyway.

The Dutch army in '40 did okay considering the Germans expected victory in a single day and it took them 5. Especially the air force and anti-air troops, who gave the German Air Force and Airlanding troops a significant blow that effected its strenght for the Battle of Britain. The Grebbeberg battle was one big mess, sure, but I wouldn't call the entire invasion one big militairy blunder. Belgium held out longer partly because they actually received significant Allied support which the Netherlands never received, partly because they weren't terror-bombed into a surrender.

The mobilization was chaotic from the start. Communications was a mess. The air force was successful in mostly one single battle considering most of the planes were either grounded or destroyed. The successes they booked were uncoordinated actions. The biggest victory was basically a rebellious act after the entire airforce was grounded.
The army was hopeless, except for, again, barely centrally controlled resistance at the Afsluitdijk.


Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 19, 2018, 12:59:16 pm
The counter-offensive against German paratroopers was also quite succesful, re-taking the airfields and destroying a great deal of enemy planes.  The German paratrooper operation was meant to finish the Netherlands off in a single day and ended up having to be rescued by the German army 4 days later. And even then, the surrender was forced by terrorbombing a city, not because the army was defeated. More then half of the paratroop force was captured and the effects of the losses during the Battle of the Netherlands was felt even at Crete a year later.

I'm not saying the 5-day battle was some sort of heroic resistance against all odds (Cos, you know, we were defeated), but taking into account the strategic situation, calling the entirety of it a military blunder on the Dutch side, rather then an unavoidable defeat, is uncalled for.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on January 19, 2018, 02:17:42 pm
I called it a military strategic blunder, not a military blunder. The fighting was good, especially considering the apalling state of the especially the Army at the time. The overall coordination left a lot to be desired.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 19, 2018, 02:36:59 pm
But even 'leaving a lot to be desired' is a far stretch from a 'hilarious militairy blunder'. Name me one combat mission the modern Dutch army is in that doesn't leave a lot to be desired, equipment-wise.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on January 19, 2018, 10:49:13 pm
Not a military strategic blunder, rather a political one.
Also, the equipment that is sent on deployment is, on average, in proper working form. Yes that sounds reasonably ironic considering the report that was just published, but usually shit that is supposed to work, works.

What you could call a military strategic blunder is the four battles of Chora, considering there needed to be four battles to begin with. Thankfully, while mostly fought by Dutch and British/Australian SOF, it was a strategic fuck-up on taskforce level, which wasn't in Dutch hands.

So, equipment-wise, the Battle of Chora wasn't something that left a lot to be desired.
I don't even want to begin about Mali, from the stories I have heard, especially on the leadership level in the Logistics section, it is shit. But again, this is not so much a Dutch blunder as it is a UN one. Fuck me the Dutch government even practically forced the UN to accept Dutch Chinooks and especially apaches into the mission. That shit is usually not-done in a peace-keeping operation, especially with the UN.
Still, the Dutch managed to get it on-board. I guess the UN just wanted Dutch Intel capacity too much for the mission.


Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 19, 2018, 11:44:45 pm
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Not a military strategic blunder, rather a political one.

Military and politics are not seperated realms.

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I guess the UN just wanted Dutch Intel capacity too much for the mission.

I guess the Netherlands just really wanted that seat in the security councel too much.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on January 20, 2018, 04:39:21 am
The Netherlands is by far the worst nation at fighting wars.

Between collaborating with the Nazis after being utterly destroyed in battle (Nederlandsche SS, 23rd SS Volunteer Panzer Grenadier Division "Nederland", Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging in Nederland (NSB), etc.) and the humiliating losses of '49 and '62 to the Indonesians its no wonder this nation's current army numbers roughly 25,000 men - any more and they wouldn't know what to do with themselves. Even tiny Kuwait fields a larger and better trained military than the Dutch.

Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 20, 2018, 10:53:14 am
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Between collaborating with the Nazis after being utterly destroyed in battle (Nederlandsche SS, 23rd SS Volunteer Panzer Grenadier Division "Nederland", Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging in Nederland (NSB), etc.)

Most occupied nations had collaborators. Not sure why you're picking out my nation as if it stands out in comparison to the others. We also had one of the biggest resistance forces per capita.

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the humiliating losses of '49 and '62 to the Indonesians

Humilating losses? Seriously, what? In 1946-49, the Dutch army defeated the Indonesian Nationalists in both offensive campaigns and captured pretty much everything of importance (including Nationalist political leadership). Political pressure was what stopped the offensives and the war. And there was no war in '62 (Unless you count that single battle in which the Dutch navy killed like 40 Indonesians without taking any losses). I mean, kudos to the Nationalists for excellent political manoeuvring and winning both conflicts, but that has nothing to do with actual fighting.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on January 20, 2018, 07:32:02 pm
The Dutch Resistance did absolutely nothing noteworthy compared to other resistance movements at the time. Reinhard Heydrich was assassinated by the Czechs, the Italians lynched Mussolini and even the Danish Resistance protected 90% of their Jews. The most noteworthy thing the Dutch did was a few strikes. There's a reason over 3/4ths of all Dutch Jews perished in the holocaust: the willing and enthusiastic collaboration with the Third Reich. Only on the Eastern Front do we see this same degree of collaboration as we see in the Netherlands.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 20, 2018, 07:53:59 pm
You're being ridicious, highly offensive and I'm not going to continue debating you.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Windflower on January 20, 2018, 08:09:53 pm
You're being ridicious, highly offensive and I'm not going to continue debating you.
That's the joke
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on January 20, 2018, 10:09:17 pm
Dutch triggering intensifies
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 20, 2018, 10:23:14 pm
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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on January 21, 2018, 12:47:23 am
You're being ridicious, highly offensive and I'm not going to continue debating you.

Stating facts is now "highly offensive"

FACT: 90% of Dutch Jews perished in the holocaust.
FACT: Over 10,000 Dutchmen WILLINGLY volunteered for the SS and served in the Nederlandsche SS, 23rd SS Volunteer Panzer Grenadier Division Nederland, SS Volunteer Grenadier Brigade Landstorm Nederland and 4th SS Volunteer Panzergrenadier Brigade Nederland.
FACT: Over 100,000 Dutchmen WILLINGLY joined the Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging. These 100,000 openly collaborated with the Germans and turned their countrymen over for death in concentration camps.
FACT: The Henneicke Column WILLINGLY captured Jews and turned them over to the Nazis. They captured and were directly responsible for the deaths of 10,000 Dutch Jews who perished in the Holocaust.
FACT: Between 25,000 and 30,000 Dutchmen WILLINGLY volunteered to serve in the Heer.
FACT: The LKP (Nationale Knokploeg), the largest Dutch resistance group, had only a measly 550 members.

BONUS FACT: The survival rate of Dutch Jews at around 10% is substantially lower than Belgium (60% of Jews survived), France (75% of Jews survived) and Denmark (99% of Jews survived).

Never forget the enthusiastic and eager Dutch collaboration with the Nazis which directly resulted in the death of 125,000+ Dutch Jews.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on January 21, 2018, 12:51:08 am
You're being ridicious, highly offensive and I'm not going to continue debating you.

Stating facts is now "highly offensive"

FACT: 90% of Dutch Jews perished in the holocaust.
FACT: Over 10,000 Dutchmen WILLINGLY volunteered for the SS and served in the Nederlandsche SS, 23rd SS Volunteer Panzer Grenadier Division Nederland, SS Volunteer Grenadier Brigade Landstorm Nederland and 4th SS Volunteer Panzergrenadier Brigade Nederland.
FACT: Over 100,000 Dutchmen WILLINGLY joined the Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging. These 100,000 openly collaborated with the Germans and turned their countrymen over for death in concentration camps.
FACT: The Henneicke Column WILLINGLY captured Jews and turned them over to the Nazis. They captured and were directly responsible for the deaths of 10,000 Dutch Jews who perished in the Holocaust.
FACT: Between 25,000 and 30,000 Dutchmen WILLINGLY volunteered to serve in the Heer.
FACT: The LKP (Nationale Knokploeg), the largest Dutch resistance group, had only a measly 550 members.

BONUS FACT: The survival rate of Dutch Jews at around 10% is substantially lower than Belgium (60% of Jews survived), France (75% of Jews survived) and Denmark (99% of Jews survived).

Never forget the enthusiastic and eager Dutch collaboration with the Nazis which directly resulted in the death of 125,000+ Dutch Jews.

What's your point anyway? The topic is about fighting wars and you come here mentioning facts about Dutch people supporting the ''evil'' German Reich? Seems like two seperate things to me

Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on January 21, 2018, 12:53:39 am
I would say not only surrendering after 4 days but then turning around and systematically murdering hundreds of thousands of your own countrymen on the orders of your conquerors makes you pretty bad at fighting wars.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on January 21, 2018, 01:04:56 am
I would say not only surrendering after 4 days but then turning around and systematically murdering hundreds of thousands of your own countrymen on the orders of your conquerors makes you pretty bad at fighting wars.

Surrender after 4 days after one of the largest cities got bombed to shit, fighting a war that could never be won against the most powerful nation at the time, which was our neighbour? Get out of here

Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on January 21, 2018, 01:14:59 am
I would say not only surrendering after 4 days but then turning around and systematically murdering hundreds of thousands of your own countrymen on the orders of your conquerors makes you pretty bad at fighting wars.

Surrender after 4 days after one of the largest cities got bombed to shit, fighting a war that could never be won against the most powerful nation at the time, which was our neighbour? Get out of here

The resistance put up by the Dutch was pitiful. They should've fought to the death to preserve their nation and protect their land like the Japanese did in Okinawa or Iwo Jima. I don't rank them as the worst at fighting wars because they lost, I put them there because of how easily they folded.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on January 21, 2018, 01:28:49 am
I would say not only surrendering after 4 days but then turning around and systematically murdering hundreds of thousands of your own countrymen on the orders of your conquerors makes you pretty bad at fighting wars.

Surrender after 4 days after one of the largest cities got bombed to shit, fighting a war that could never be won against the most powerful nation at the time, which was our neighbour? Get out of here

The resistance put up by the Dutch was pitiful. They should've fought to the death to preserve their nation and protect their land like the Japanese did in Okinawa or Iwo Jima. I don't rank them as the worst at fighting wars because they lost, I put them there because of how easily they folded.

Yeah the Japanese did a solid job defending their land

Look what they got in the end
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Not to mention the countless of death and Japanese who are still handicapped because of the atomic bombs that hit them over 60 years ago

I bet the Japanese are proud and happy that they fought so hard )))))))))))))))))))))))

Not

Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on January 21, 2018, 01:34:15 am
I would say not only surrendering after 4 days but then turning around and systematically murdering hundreds of thousands of your own countrymen on the orders of your conquerors makes you pretty bad at fighting wars.

You still have not refuted my main point.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on January 21, 2018, 02:17:19 am
I would say not only surrendering after 4 days but then turning around and systematically murdering hundreds of thousands of your own countrymen on the orders of your conquerors makes you pretty bad at fighting wars.

You still have not refuted my main point.

I tackled the reasoning behind your main point, can't you read?

If you are actually convinced that ''fighting to the death !11one'' is what they should have done in that situation then you're a special snowflake. Around 200.000 Dutch civilians ended up losing their lives during WW2. Take Japan, your own previous example and the number goes up to 2.500.000 / 3.100.000. Funny enough even if you look at the German invasion of the Netherlands, both nations ended up losing around 2000 soldiers (the Dutch like 2300), while the Germans outnumbered the Dutch nearly 3 to 1. The Germans also lost over 225 aircraft
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Netherlands

I am aware that the topic is about fighting wars, but can you truely judge a nation for giving up in that situation? Not giving up in a ''modern war'' can result in losing half your population, so bringing up the defeat during WW2 all the time is a bit lame imo. If you want to bash the Dutch' warring skills then there are plenty of other examples

However, to go back on topic, the Dutch also survived against all odds in the past
https://www.britannica.com/event/Dutch-War

Maurice modernised the Dutch army during the 80 years war making ''the Dutch army the most modern in the Europe of his time.''
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Maurice-stadholder-of-The-Netherlands

and there are many smaller examples of the Dutch doing well during times of war, the Dutch navy was arguably the strongest navy during the early 17th century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_history_of_the_Netherlands

Some battles the Dutch fought with minimal casualties or while (heavily) outnumbered:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Heiligerlee_(1568)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leiden
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gibraltar_(1607)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Downs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sound
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Days%27_Battle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_the_Medway

Ofcourse there are plenty of blunders too, but it goes without saying that the ''best'' nations at fighting wars have those too.

In conclusion, saying the Netherlands are arguably the worst at fighting wars, given their history, their geographical position, their population, seems wrong to me. Especially when you concider that 'we' were once concidered the most powerful nation in the world, despite our size.

That is my (bias) opinion

Now stop triggering me pls

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And we were good at fighting Napoleonic Wars!!!
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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on January 21, 2018, 05:04:30 am
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I would say not only surrendering after 4 days but then turning around and systematically murdering hundreds of thousands of your own countrymen on the orders of your conquerors makes you pretty bad at fighting wars.

You still have not refuted my main point.

I tackled the reasoning behind your main point, can't you read?

If you are actually convinced that ''fighting to the death !11one'' is what they should have done in that situation then you're a special snowflake. Around 200.000 Dutch civilians ended up losing their lives during WW2. Take Japan, your own previous example and the number goes up to 2.500.000 / 3.100.000. Funny enough even if you look at the German invasion of the Netherlands, both nations ended up losing around 2000 soldiers (the Dutch like 2300), while the Germans outnumbered the Dutch nearly 3 to 1. The Germans also lost over 225 aircraft
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Netherlands

I am aware that the topic is about fighting wars, but can you truely judge a nation for giving up in that situation? Not giving up in a ''modern war'' can result in losing half your population, so bringing up the defeat during WW2 all the time is a bit lame imo. If you want to bash the Dutch' warring skills then there are plenty of other examples

However, to go back on topic, the Dutch also survived against all odds in the past
https://www.britannica.com/event/Dutch-War

Maurice modernised the Dutch army during the 80 years war making ''the Dutch army the most modern in the Europe of his time.''
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Maurice-stadholder-of-The-Netherlands

and there are many smaller examples of the Dutch doing well during times of war, the Dutch navy was arguably the strongest navy during the early 17th century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_history_of_the_Netherlands

Some battles the Dutch fought with minimal casualties or while (heavily) outnumbered:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Heiligerlee_(1568)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leiden
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gibraltar_(1607)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Downs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sound
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Days%27_Battle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_the_Medway

Ofcourse there are plenty of blunders too, but it goes without saying that the ''best'' nations at fighting wars have those too.

In conclusion, saying the Netherlands are arguably the worst at fighting wars, given their history, their geographical position, their population, seems wrong to me. Especially when you concider that 'we' were once concidered the most powerful nation in the world, despite our size.

That is my (bias) opinion

Now stop triggering me pls

E:

And we were good at fighting Napoleonic Wars!!!
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Using 500 year old military victories to justify folding quicker than Georgia in 2008 is laughable. Also your 200,000 civilian number includes 120,000+ Jews who, as we have previously noted, were self inflicted casualties. One can even argue that due to this widespread collaboration even the famine was self-inflicted. So in reality the Dutch lost maybe 2,000 men in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Furrnox on January 21, 2018, 06:56:57 am
The counter-offensive against German paratroopers was also quite succesful, re-taking the airfields and destroying a great deal of enemy planes.  The German paratrooper operation was meant to finish the Netherlands off in a single day and ended up having to be rescued by the German army 4 days later. And even then, the surrender was forced by terrorbombing a city, not because the army was defeated. More then half of the paratroop force was captured and the effects of the losses during the Battle of the Netherlands was felt even at Crete a year later.

I'm not saying the 5-day battle was some sort of heroic resistance against all odds (Cos, you know, we were defeated), but taking into account the strategic situation, calling the entirety of it a military blunder on the Dutch side, rather then an unavoidable defeat, is uncalled for.

At least you lasted more than 6 hours. *hint* *hint*
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 21, 2018, 11:10:40 am
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They should've fought to the death to preserve their nation and protect their land like the Japanese did in Okinawa or Iwo Jima

The same Japanese who uncondititionally surrendered? Or a different kind?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: TheBoberton on January 21, 2018, 03:28:02 pm
I mean, when your enemy can level your cities while suffering zero casualties, fighting to the death to delay them really loses its meaning.

Not that I agree with his bait, but that's really not fair of you.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 21, 2018, 04:58:40 pm
Irrelevant. Saying we should have fought to the death 'Like the Japanese' implies that they did.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: joer5835 on January 21, 2018, 05:57:54 pm
FACT: 90% of Dutch Jews perished in the holocaust.
FACT: Over 10,000 Dutchmen WILLINGLY volunteered for the SS and served in the Nederlandsche SS, 23rd SS Volunteer Panzer Grenadier Division Nederland, SS Volunteer Grenadier Brigade Landstorm Nederland and 4th SS Volunteer Panzergrenadier Brigade Nederland.
FACT: Over 100,000 Dutchmen WILLINGLY joined the Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging. These 100,000 openly collaborated with the Germans and turned their countrymen over for death in concentration camps.
FACT: The Henneicke Column WILLINGLY captured Jews and turned them over to the Nazis. They captured and were directly responsible for the deaths of 10,000 Dutch Jews who perished in the Holocaust.
FACT: Between 25,000 and 30,000 Dutchmen WILLINGLY volunteered to serve in the Heer.
FACT: The LKP (Nationale Knokploeg), the largest Dutch resistance group, had only a measly 550 members.

BONUS FACT: The survival rate of Dutch Jews at around 10% is substantially lower than Belgium (60% of Jews survived), France (75% of Jews survived) and Denmark (99% of Jews survived).

Never forget the enthusiastic and eager Dutch collaboration with the Nazis which directly resulted in the death of 125,000+ Dutch Jews.

You know, next time you continously yell FACT FACT FACT, at least state your sources.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on January 21, 2018, 06:45:27 pm
The Japanese fought to the death on numerous occasions. Iwo Jima, Okinawa, Tarawa just to name a few. If the Dutch did the same they could have inflicted enough casualties to the Germans to allow a proper Franco-British defense of Belgium.

May I remind you once again the Dutch knowingly and enthusiastically murdered 90% of the Jews in their country. All Dutch alive at this time has some blame for this. Remember a girl named Anne Frank?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 21, 2018, 07:22:53 pm
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All Dutch alive at this time has some blame for this

Well, up to now I didn't really know if you were trolling but this gave it away. Good effort tho.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: KurassierNixon on January 21, 2018, 07:53:18 pm
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All Dutch alive at this time has some blame for this

Well, up to now I didn't really know if you were trolling but this gave it away. Good effort tho.

The Netherlands had a population of around 8.7 million in 1939. Assuming 100,000+ Dutch fought for the German Reich and another 100,000+ joined the NSB it becomes very clear a large portion of the population was complacent or even complicit during the Holocaust. This 200,000 numbers excludes the tens of thousands of farmers that supplied food to the German troops, thousands of Dutch women who served as nurses, tens of thousands of Dutch bureaucrats working in some capacity for the Reichskommissariat Niederlande, and tens of thousands of firefighters and police officers that were paid by the Reich.

A conservative estimate would place the amount of Dutch aiding the reich, being paid by the reich, working for a company controlled by the reich or fighting directly for the reich at upwards of 500,000. Statistically speaking the Dutchmen posting here most likely have a number of Nazi collaborators or SS soldiers in their family tree. Which is why my point that all Dutch alive in 1939 were in some shape or form responsible for the murder of +90% of Dutch Jews including Anne Frank stands valid. Just as all Germans alive during 1939 were responsible, the Dutch must stand alongside them and rightfully acknowledge the stain of mass, systematic murder that will forever haunt this period in Dutch history.

TL;DR - Dutch partly responsible for holocaust, which makes them pretty bad at fighting wars.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 21, 2018, 07:57:13 pm
My family lived in the East Indies. #Checkmate.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: joer5835 on January 21, 2018, 08:05:23 pm
the tens of thousands of farmers that supplied food to the German troops, thousands of Dutch women who served as nurses, tens of thousands of Dutch bureaucrats working in some capacity for the Reichskommissariat Niederlande, and tens of thousands of firefighters and police officers that were paid by the Reich.

I'll bite.

Most of those people were doing the exact same job they did as before the Germans came. The difference was that their employer was now the German Reich instead of the Dutch government. That doesn't make them accomplices, that makes them ordinary citizens going on with their lives as best as they could in war time. Even if you disagreed with the Germans, you still wouldn't quit your job. Life is hard enough as it is in wartime, you really don't want to add the problems of being unemployed and with no income on top of that. Worse still, you had a pretty good chance of being deported to work in some factory making armaments in Germany if you were unemployed.

But seriously, how in your eyes (if you even are serious, which I doubt at this point) is a firefighter responsible for helping the Germans exterminate the Jews just because he is paid by them? What!? That is saying an office clerk in Washington is responsible for the death toll in the Iraq War because he works for the Government that did that.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 21, 2018, 08:09:27 pm
He's just trolling. A pretty good go at that, no doubt. But let me remind you, KurassierNixon, that you have just been unbanned and derailing serious discussion just to troll doesn't really convince me you're that serious about wanted to be unbanned from the forum. Now, we (I) shouldn't have bitten in the first place, so I'm not gonna give you a punishment or anything, but I am going to ask that you stop posting in this thread and refrain from these kind of actions in the future.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on January 21, 2018, 11:59:54 pm
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Not a military strategic blunder, rather a political one.

Military and politics are not seperated realms.

Yes they are, not only because I have seen this unfolding over the past 1.5 years myself and feel the effects of the Military and political differences every fucking day, but it is also taught in the different  levels of miliatry operations (Technical, tactical, Operational, Military Strategic level and political strategy (also called grand strategy)) there is a reason why the two are seperated.

Quoting Clausewitz, war may be a continuation of politics by different means, but that doesn't mean the military is a political being, a political instrument, of course, but not political in nature inherently. There is a reason why clausewitz makes the military a seperate entity in the 'Holy Trinity'.


Also Nixon it really isn't a good idea to basically call the Head Moderator's country completely Nazi in what was most like the worst period for our country in recent history.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 22, 2018, 11:41:17 am
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Quoting Clausewitz, war may be a continuation of politics by different means, but that doesn't mean the military is a political being, a political instrument, of course, but not political in nature inherently.

Not my point. Of course the military works different, it's designed to be; In that we agree. My point was that what the military gets, how it looks and most importantly what it does (and what it doesn't do), are all political decisions, even if the decision is made by or delegated to members of the military. Soldiers don't send themselves to Mali. At the same time, the military situation directly effects the political situation. I'm not saying military and politics are the same realm, they're just not seperated.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Gokiller on January 22, 2018, 12:24:55 pm
Thanks KurassierNixon! You just made my day. ;D

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On a serious note: Your crap is worse then the one I just released from my alcohol-recovering body. And I can tell you, it aint pretty!
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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on January 22, 2018, 12:41:28 pm
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Quoting Clausewitz, war may be a continuation of politics by different means, but that doesn't mean the military is a political being, a political instrument, of course, but not political in nature inherently.

Not my point. Of course the military works different, it's designed to be; In that we agree. My point was that what the military gets, how it looks and most importantly what it does (and what it doesn't do), are all political decisions, even if the decision is made by or delegated to members of the military. Soldiers don't send themselves to Mali. At the same time, the military situation directly effects the political situation. I'm not saying military and politics are the same realm, they're just not seperated.

You're looking at this in I think the wrong way. They are indeed not the same realm and they are indeed seperated. The military side of a conflict only deals with the military strategic situation (so dealing with the problems of theatre-wide violence) while the political realm deals with the political ones. It is true that the military in the end is the method to achieve larger political goals, but the military itself does not concern itself with those exact political goals, that is an entire seperate aspect of the war, which is seperated clearly except at the highest possible form of military leadership. And to take that as justification to say they're not seperated jsut seems far-fetched with me.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Dekkers on January 22, 2018, 01:06:28 pm
Thanks KurassierNixon! You just made my day. ;D

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On a serious note: Your crap is worse then the one I just released from my alcohol-recovering body. And I can tell you, it aint pretty!
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I could tell too
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on January 22, 2018, 01:27:36 pm
It is true that the military in the end is the method to achieve larger political goals, but the military itself does not concern itself with those exact political goals, that is an entire seperate aspect of the war, which is seperated clearly except at the highest possible form of military leadership.

But the militairy is directly effected by and effects the political situation. Their level of training, their supplies, their goals, their equipment, their motivation - all of that are a result of a previous political decision. Civil servants within a certain department also don't concern themselves with exact political goals.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on January 22, 2018, 10:20:26 pm
It is true that the military in the end is the method to achieve larger political goals, but the military itself does not concern itself with those exact political goals, that is an entire seperate aspect of the war, which is seperated clearly except at the highest possible form of military leadership.

But the militairy is directly effected by and effects the political situation. Their level of training, their supplies, their goals, their equipment, their motivation - all of that are a result of a previous political decision. Civil servants within a certain department also don't concern themselves with exact political goals.

I'd say military operations are more influenced by the weather than by politicians to be fair.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: DaMonkey on January 22, 2018, 10:25:09 pm
Hardly.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Wolff on January 23, 2018, 01:36:52 pm
Thank god. I wanted to visit the Netherlands this year but now I'm happily aware of what a nazi shithole this country seems to be. Hate em. Going to Belgium now
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on January 23, 2018, 01:45:23 pm
Thank god. I wanted to visit the Netherlands this year but now I'm happily aware of what a nazi shithole this country seems to be. Hate em. Going to Belgium now

Arguably a better idea anyway... for vacation anway
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Windflower on February 17, 2018, 03:07:05 am
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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: RussianFury on February 17, 2018, 04:03:01 am
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you forgot the french
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: John Price on February 17, 2018, 04:15:03 am
France over history has won alot of wars compared to most countries.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Windflower on February 17, 2018, 04:31:35 am
France over history has won alot of wars compared to most countries.
ok?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: CAPS_MACLOCK on April 05, 2018, 01:46:33 pm
france sucks lmao they didn't even partake in the crimes america did in iraq after afghanistan what a bunch of loosers lmao they are horrible they surrender to fats lmao why did they do that everyone knows germany was lmao in world war two did they even fight in world war first before american even saved them and the british by the way lmao

#1 suck is france everyone else is cool and epic
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on May 03, 2018, 07:57:16 pm
If you suggest France you are actually retarded and have no knowledge of military history.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Derps9 on June 11, 2018, 05:07:55 pm
If you suggest France you are actually retarded and have no knowledge of military history.
In ww2 France capitulated in like 2 weeks, tell me there military isn't bad one more time. Also during the same invasion over 60 french divisions got cut off in the netherlands because the french thought that the german tanks couldn't pass through the ardennes. So yes, the french are pretty bad at warfare i would say. (also they lost with the advantage of better tanks and equipment and the maginot line)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on June 11, 2018, 11:15:21 pm
If you suggest France you are actually retarded and have no knowledge of military history.
In ww2 France capitulated in like 2 weeks, tell me there military isn't bad one more time. Also during the same invasion over 60 french divisions got cut off in the netherlands because the french thought that the german tanks couldn't pass through the ardennes. So yes, the french are pretty bad at warfare i would say. (also they lost with the advantage of better tanks and equipment and the maginot line)

One war doesn't make a nation's warfighting history. For hundreds of years France was THE dominant military power of the world.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: junedragon on June 12, 2018, 04:37:52 am
Alright lets mix it up:

France is the worst major nation at fighting wars in the past 150 years.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on June 12, 2018, 08:47:19 am
France still won the Franco-Prussian war, which was in the 1870's. France's military might only stopped after WWI when they drew the wrong conclusions from the course of WWI. And they are definitely not the worst major warfighting nation now.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on June 12, 2018, 09:16:36 am
France still won the Franco-Prussian war, which was in the 1870's.

Uhh...
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: John Price on June 12, 2018, 09:48:37 am
Wait what? Are you kidding me Riddlez?

Even Wikipedia can tell you thats not true. Its widely known that the silly French Government held a vote to declare war on the German Kingdom of Prussia, however didn't bother readying their troops, and instantly got invaded within a week of the deceleration into north eastern France. Over all losing 750k troops to the 140k of Germany.

So then Alsace-Lorraine got annexed as a result, then the German Empire formed.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on June 12, 2018, 11:48:29 am
Wait what?

Well wtf I confused something here.... my bad.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: John Price on June 12, 2018, 12:02:30 pm
Ye that war is literally just a massive kek and a show of how lazy France was at times :P
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on June 12, 2018, 08:41:32 pm
If you suggest France you are actually retarded and have no knowledge of military history.
In ww2 France capitulated in like 2 weeks, tell me there military isn't bad one more time. Also during the same invasion over 60 french divisions got cut off in the netherlands because the french thought that the german tanks couldn't pass through the ardennes. So yes, the french are pretty bad at warfare i would say. (also they lost with the advantage of better tanks and equipment and the maginot line)

You're retarded.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: junedragon on June 12, 2018, 09:38:45 pm
France still won the Franco-Prussian war[/b], which was in the 1870's. France's military might only stopped after WWI when they drew the wrong conclusions from the course of WWI. And they are definitely not the worst major warfighting nation now.

???????

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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Suns on June 15, 2018, 12:29:13 am
france got destroyed in WW2, Marshal Maurice Gamelin chose to halt the 100+ french division assault at Saarbrucken which would've broken through german lines, meanwhile the main german forces were pushing Poland

france capitulated quickly, their army fell quickly, the germans outclassed them in nearly every area thats why they lost LOL
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on June 15, 2018, 08:35:48 am
germans outclassed them in nearly every area thats why they lost LOL

Like on what areas?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Duuring on June 16, 2018, 08:47:37 pm
germans outclassed them in nearly every area thats why they lost LOL

Like on what areas?

Winning a war.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Suns on June 16, 2018, 10:46:04 pm
germans outclassed them in nearly every area thats why they lost LOL

Like on what areas?

mobility, command structure, basic principles (independent command for junior officers on the field), communication systems, synergy of air and land forces, tactical strategies, equipment, etc.

many more but there's a reason why the french lost so easily and so quickly :/
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Shade22 on July 28, 2018, 12:18:46 am
The kindom of Italy during NW was legit. Also Rome was basically Italy aswell. So italy has proven itself worthy.
I'm italian, Italy was good at war only on that period... In the following years, ye.. you know the story...
"Gloria all'Impero Romano" .
btw, in the 1 world war, Italy was not the worst for me; In ww2, with Mussolini we were the worst ever...
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: CAPS_MACLOCK on July 31, 2018, 01:19:20 am
lol @ all the francs & beans getting btfo like france did for all of its history

can france even win a civil war lmao
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: shchi on August 02, 2018, 03:26:54 am
Cough Cough Free French Army, not saying they did much (neither were all it's member French), but there ya go.

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VERSAILLES, FRANCE, 08/24/1944; FRENCH 2ND ARMORED DIVISION IN VERSAILLES, FRENCH 2ND - LMWWIIHD240

Slightly Graphic

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From Forgotten Weapons: Forgotten History: Vercors - the Climactic Battle of the French Resistance

BTW we all know Austria is the worst  :P.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Archduke Sven on August 10, 2018, 07:21:23 am
zanzibar wins this discussion any day of the week
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Sgt.Winters on October 24, 2018, 09:39:16 pm
Post 19th Century Italy - They were bad, just flat out bad.  So bad that they had to go beat up some poor Africans with sticks just to suppress their insecurities.  Their struggle in Greece is a cute little story that unfortunately gets ignored nowadays.

Austria-Hungary - Probably the least deserving of the bunch, and they usually got places due to diplomacy.  A lackluster performance in WW1 pretty much sums up their military competency.

Russia - If they didn't win the majority of the fucking time, they would probably be the worst, but cracking a Russian's spirit is like trying to split carbon steel pipe material with a Home Depot chainsaw.  Russia's successes in warfare are undeniable, but the statistics speak for themselves.

Paraguay - They almost got their entire male population wiped out in a single war, essentially plunging them into an all-around hellhole of a place to live for the next 50-60 years.  Offensive momentum was lost in less than six months, and their naval tactics were laughable.  Paraguay's conventional and guerrilla strategies were complete fucking disasters and should be one of the textbook examples on how not to conduct warfare on a large scale.

Byzantine - Obviously not a country, but they were bad for the majority of their existence.  Besides our god tier savior Justinian, it was pretty much a back and forth struggle between shitty and mediocre to decent emperors. Even then with a few bright spots it didn't go down so well. They rarely expanded outside of a few stints in the late 12th and 11th centuries, not to mention they got saved from the Seljuks by the Crusades (and then got fucked over by said crusaders and Venice the fourth time around).  Outstanding military, fire that can't be put out by conventional means, sexy architecture, a near unconquerable city, and a badass Scandinavian/Slavic personal bodyguard? Check.  Shitty management of said army, loss of knowledge on how to create cool fire, conversion of architecture to a gigantic mosque plastered with crescents, Turks in general, and badass guards that I can't really downplay because they were actually very critical to the limited Byzantine success? Check.

Regarding France, I think people are mixing up losing a war and just plain sucking dick at fighting in general.  Research will show that France has the best battle record of any nation, with at least 750 victories and 400 defeats. Look no further than that Corsican/Italian/French dude (Napoleon, derp) that beat back 3 (technically 4 if you count his time before the coup) coalitions of some of the most powerful empires to ever walk the earth.  Guess what? He still lost the eponymous Napoleonic Wars, but managed to rack up enough tactical masterpieces to show that France wasn't a bunch of angry bourgeoise-esque peasants armed with pitchforks and last week's bread.  Even well before Napoleon, France was dominating the scene as a superb military power with extensive reforms and tactics that are studied to this very day, which is pretty hard to do since some of this shit is outdated by 800 years.  French soldiers have put up fights that rival what you would hear about the Poles and Spartans, and they certainly didn't sit around eating sandwiches and painting abstract art all day.  They rivaled Britain and Spain at one point in terms of colonial expansion and army prowess, and essentially dominated European geopolitics from the late 18th to the early 19th centuries.  France lost many wars, but has won a fair few as well.

I think the stigmatization comes from France undeniably being dreadful at warfare the past 150 years.  The Franco-Prussian War was a disaster, WW1 didn't go well for either side, and they got dunked on during WW2 in 40 days.  They also had their fair share of losses before and after the 19th century (Spanish Succession, Seven Years War, Indochina, etc...) but that doesn't discount their successes in any way.  Overall, they ain't shit at warfare, but running away after the Ardennes was infiltrated didn't help.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on November 19, 2018, 06:47:19 pm
https://www.militaryfactory.com/battles/french_military_victories.asp
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on November 19, 2018, 09:17:52 pm
Russia - If they didn't win the majority of the fucking time, they would probably be the worst, but cracking a Russian's spirit is like trying to split carbon steel pipe material with a Home Depot chainsaw.  Russia's successes in warfare are undeniable, but the statistics speak for themselves.


That is funny. Russia actually has a much richer military doctrinal thinking tradition than the West and the countries that used to be the West. The reason people think they were shit is because of WW1 and WW2... which, from a Russian perspective, were low points as well.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Furrnox on November 20, 2018, 05:32:53 pm
The ones who are to small to field an army are pretty bad like Liechtenstein or San Marino.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Riddlez on November 21, 2018, 10:14:06 am
The ones who are to small to field an army are pretty bad like Liechtenstein or San Marino.

Considering they haven't actually fought a war you really cannot tell if they're bad at it.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: junedragon on November 21, 2018, 03:23:36 pm
Never forget right after WWI the soviets tried to boost their new regime by flexing on Poland in a straight 1v1 and lost.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Suns on November 22, 2018, 07:37:26 pm
Never forget right after WWI the soviets tried to boost their new regime by flexing on Poland in a straight 1v1 and lost.

rip Mikhail Tukachevsky
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: tomalakis on March 24, 2021, 04:01:05 pm
Austria definitely deserves more respect. They were rather "worst at winning wars" perhaps. But Austrian army was always formidable foe. It started to lose momentum after 1850 because of the rigid politics and overall conservatism. And Austria was handicapped compared to every other nation from the get go obviously: for a state which didnt have any national identity, it was able to get pretty decent job from its troops.

And dont forget they had beaten Frederick the Great before anyone did (1757) as well as Napoleon (1809). Plus they were beating italians all the time - as everyone for that matter - there goes my vote  ;D

And to quote Napoleon himself:
"It is evident you were not at Wagram."
Said to a person who dared to mock austrians in his presence.

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...and btw I really dont get where this idea of austria getting stuff just through diplomacy came from. Because of Metternich only? Kaunitz did some impressive work, that however didn't help Austria to win any war...cant recall any other austrian diplomatic victory...

EDIT: oh, do you mean AEIOU getting-stuff-through-marriage diplomacy in 15/16th century? Thats ancient history :D
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Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: JamesBulan on April 13, 2021, 12:02:04 am
Italy and the Ottoman Empire , for the Ottoman Empire, even a little ashamed!
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: progamer26 on April 18, 2021, 02:33:44 pm
Hello!

Wow, very interesting discussion going on here.

To be honest, I don't think I could even answer this question. There are way too many factors and issues contributing to winning or losing a war. Also, we rarely ever get the real version of how something really happened in history; everything is filtered and manipulated.

Have a nice day :)
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on May 13, 2021, 02:38:31 am
France

Again, another retard.

"According to British historian Niall Ferguson, France is the most successful military power in history. The French participated in 50 of the 125 major European wars that have been fought since 1495; more than any other European state."
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Marceaux on May 13, 2021, 04:38:59 am
France

Again, another retard.

"According to British historian Niall Ferguson, France is the most successful military power in history. The French participated in 50 of the 125 major European wars that have been fought since 1495; more than any other European state."
No need to get rude I only voiced my own opinion. Also quoting one source is hardly gonna change that fact also that quote only states the fact they took part not actually won.
Especially recent history shows how bad France's military it it almost lost in ww1 did lose in ww2, lost in nam and lost in the fishing wars of Jersey They had a good run with Napoleon but that was it.
I suggest if your gonna get butt hurt just dont respond to people :)

How about doing some research into history before you start spouting false nonsense. And saying that they had a good run with Napoleon was it is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. And if you think France is bad at fighting wars i cant imagine what countries you think are good at it lol... France has been winning battles and has been a dominant military power since 486 A.D.

Saying they nearly lost WW1 is horse shit, they won end of story. They also won the 100 years war. And so many more battles and wars its hard to keep up. Sure they lost WW2, but so did almost every other nation in Europe. And If you take the US out of the equation Nazi Germany and the Japanese would of conquered the entire planet. Russia didn't stand a chance in a 1 front war with Germany. You are only looking at the last 100 years. France has been around for SOOO much longer and you and so many others keep forgetting that. Its ignorant and annoying to see people discuss history while ignoring FACTS. And I am sorry I may have responded rudely, but to state such inaccuracy's in a thread regarding history is in itself rude.

https://www.militaryfactory.com/battles/french_military_victories.php
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: James. on May 13, 2021, 07:33:09 am
Not to mention there were no real winners in either of the world wars. It's literally the most gruesome war in world history. France is not the worst nation to fight wars, not even in the last 100 years if we're honest. When they got beaten by Germany, not many other nations had the technological advancements nor strategist the germans had. Place any nation at the start of world war 2 in France's position, and they'll probably get destroyed.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: junedragon on May 24, 2021, 08:11:16 pm
Not to mention there were no real winners in either of the world wars. It's literally the most gruesome war in world history. France is not the worst nation to fight wars, not even in the last 100 years if we're honest. When they got beaten by Germany, not many other nations had the technological advancements nor strategist the germans had. Place any nation at the start of world war 2 in France's position, and they'll probably get destroyed.

It occurs to me there may be a legitimate argument that the country worst at actual *fighting* wars since 1900 is Russia/USSR.

Defeated by Japan in 1905.

Crushed in WWI to the point the empire collapsed (started off getting absolutely annihilated at Battles of Tannenburg and Masurian Lakes)

Humiliated by Poland one on one in 1920.

Absolutely mauled by germany after their alliance broke in WW2 - only stemmed the tide with a river of blood and with thanks to winter, the Allies (supplies/equipment and opening up additional fronts) and Hitler's awful strategic directives.

Fought to a standstill with atrocious losses by Finland in the Winter War.

Decades of struggling to quell insurrections and border troubles with chechens and such

Driven out of afghanistan by mujahideen
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: MarjioviçR on May 28, 2021, 03:36:07 pm
azerbaijan
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Stavlock on July 15, 2021, 02:21:19 am
azerbaijan
Why?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Saxon on July 16, 2021, 09:15:53 am
argentina

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2XVF97OYQ8
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: MarjioviçR on July 17, 2021, 09:46:39 pm
azerbaijan
Why?
lost to armenians once and almost lost once more
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: HuntehPetros on July 18, 2021, 08:04:23 am
azerbaijan
Why?
lost to armenians once and almost lost once more
but... they just won?
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: MarjioviçR on July 18, 2021, 12:59:08 pm
azerbaijan
Why?
lost to armenians once and almost lost once more
but... they just won?
2/3 of targets were destroyed by tb2s, azerbaijan "bought" 1 or 2 months ago before the war started.
Title: Re: Which nations are the worst at fighting wars?
Post by: Grimmy on August 10, 2021, 01:59:41 pm
this thread was just set up to cause controversy

anyways, Austria pretty poopoo at napoleonic and "modern day" warfare