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Mount & Blade Warband: Napoleonic Wars => General Discussion => Topic started by: ClearlyInvsible on April 16, 2014, 11:39:14 pm

Title: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 16, 2014, 11:39:14 pm
Wanted to bring this up on the last thread, but so be it.

Yes Sean we know the game is dying but talking about why hurts no one.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Commissar Jdf on April 16, 2014, 11:42:20 pm
I think he locked the thread because there is nothing we can do from posting on it. That's just my conclusion.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 16, 2014, 11:44:20 pm
Nor can you from posting here, but discussing a problem is when you find some kind of solution/resolution.

I mean I think NW as a DLC can last for a few more years, but we need to fix things a wee bit.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Commissar Jdf on April 16, 2014, 11:45:04 pm
We can't fix the sale rate on Steam.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: tacticalretreat on April 16, 2014, 11:50:12 pm
NW will last too BCOF
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 16, 2014, 11:51:03 pm
NW will last too BCOF

Thread is for reasons not timeframes.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Commissar Jdf on April 16, 2014, 11:55:29 pm
NW will last too BCOF

Thread is for reasons not timeframes.

He's discussing a problem.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: MagicTeatowel on April 16, 2014, 11:59:10 pm
I remember back in the day, there used to be loads (literally loads) of coverage of NW on YouTube. In fact it was Malakiths videos that introduced me to, and made me buy NW. However non of this really seems to exist any more, Mal might be the only one regularly broadcasting. A big push in GOOD YouTube content, linked with a steam sale = lots of pubbers.

Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Herishey on April 17, 2014, 12:13:35 am
There are plenty of people who cover NW on Youtube but they just don't have a large following; E.G Jampad.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 17, 2014, 12:17:23 am
Aye, we have 3 people in the 63e who post NW videos.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: MagicTeatowel on April 17, 2014, 12:19:51 am
There are plenty of people who cover NW on Youtube but they just don't have a large following; E.G Jampad.
Jampads vids are great! :D

And I completely agree, its the followers!
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: FrithBiscuit on April 17, 2014, 12:20:15 am
What if Pewdiepie made a few videos on NW? It'd be a mixed blessing. We'd get a tonne of new members, but they'd be fanboys of the shithead that is "Pewds"
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Danik on April 17, 2014, 12:26:49 am
It is slowly dying just like the whole warband game. Why? The answer is because of the engine limitations, old graphics and old everything. In reality the game survived for a surprising amount of time thanks modding, and so did NW.

The final patch of warband and NW has already been made, and both developing companies, FSE and Taleworlds are working on new games which will be based on a superior engine with larger capability, better graphics, physics, larger servers etc.

My guess is that both public and regimental playerbase of NW will rapidly decline around the time of the release of Bannerlord/BCoF. But there are no reasons to worry, as there surely will be Napoleonic War mods in these games or maybe the FSE might make a NW game of it's own after BCoF or as a BCoF expansion.

Best way for NW to survive thought would be to make new maps which would actually be fun for public play, and new game types such as jail break, zombie attack and other
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: William on April 17, 2014, 12:27:22 am
What if Pewdiepie made a few videos on NW? It'd be a mixed blessing. We'd get a tonne of new members, but they'd be fanboys of the shithead that is "Pewds"
I actually PM'd him like 4 months ago asking for him to make NW videos to help revive the game. Tragic that he didn't read it. Anyways, would be nice to see Diplex and Speirs make videos, they got me into the game and got me to join a regiment after seeing that. Perhaps FSE could buy a commercial to some massively viewed event like a sports match to get publicity  ::)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 17, 2014, 12:40:39 am
Aye, Diplex and Delta's videos are what made me join. (Delta's a former 29th Lt btw)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Danik on April 17, 2014, 12:50:56 am
Just wondering, how many have actually played this since the early beta of mm mod? You know, back when we played 30-40 guys on a public server and the admins commanded their teams and made public linebattles without teamspeak. It was even before the making of clans and "regiments" which happened after the waterloo battle in which teamspeak was used for the first time.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 17, 2014, 12:51:50 am
I never played MM, but all of the stories I hear make it sound like it was truly a golden age.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Dom13WorstNW on April 17, 2014, 01:03:10 am
I dont think its dying...

just look at the NA regiments that have 40-50 attendance  in the past couple of months.



it also doesnt help that the devs stopped working on it  :P
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: tacticalretreat on April 17, 2014, 01:28:58 am
I joined around the time of the first waterloo event, I do think a lot of those people are following the community but more in the background and less in the forefront of the game. BCOF will bring all the oldies back and new people which will be great for the community. This game isn't being killed per say, I mean when you say 'killed' it means there isn't any events going on and the game has literally stagnated. The game has plenty of activity but my point is that the dlc will see serious decline at BCOF's release. Its inevitable, games die as new and better games come out. The one thing this community has is the fact that its a unique style of gameplay and a hardcore fan base that keeps it going. A fan base which will move to BCOF as it has done from BattleGrounds to Mount & Musket and finally Napoleonic Wars. Battle Cry Of Freedom is next ;)

So don't worry that so called 'golden age' will exist again, and you will have those extremely active public servers with regiments spamming chat all over again and pubbers making fake reg tags so they don't get asked to join a regiment lol
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Tor on April 17, 2014, 01:59:48 pm
What if Pewdiepie made a few videos on NW? It'd be a mixed blessing. We'd get a tonne of new members, but they'd be fanboys of the shithead that is "Pewds"

Criken made a whole series about trolling on it. Markiplier had a small bit with Gamegrumps where they went to an event and played as foot guards. Sadly, popularity, you know. It did nothing. :(


I've reached enlightenment, I can send messages to this forum via beard.

Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Christopher on April 17, 2014, 04:06:01 pm
I actually PM'd him like 4 months ago asking for him to make NW videos to help revive the game. Tragic that he didn't read it. Anyways, would be nice to see Diplex and Speirs make videos, they got me into the game and got me to join a regiment after seeing that. Perhaps FSE could buy a commercial to some massively viewed event like a sports match to get publicity  ::)

If I remember correctly about a month or so ago Speirs was talking about some community teamspeak he was going to be setting up and was saying something about starting some communities in it and I believe he mentioned NW. Not sure if he ever actually got the ts but I'm guessing someone could find out.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Furrnox on April 17, 2014, 04:08:50 pm
What if Pewdiepie made a few videos on NW? It'd be a mixed blessing. We'd get a tonne of new members, but they'd be fanboys of the shithead that is "Pewds"
I actually PM'd him like 4 months ago asking for him to make NW videos to help revive the game. Tragic that he didn't read it. Anyways, would be nice to see Diplex and Speirs make videos, they got me into the game and got me to join a regiment after seeing that. Perhaps FSE could buy a commercial to some massively viewed event like a sports match to get publicity  ::)
I don't think we want his fans here...
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Kaariki on April 17, 2014, 04:24:25 pm
A Youtuber named Robbaz does quite a few warband videos, at the moment he's doing a playthrough of the mod 'Clash of Kings'
He's got around 800,000 subscribers.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: FrithBiscuit on April 17, 2014, 04:51:47 pm
Robbaz is my favourite. Replace Pewdiepie with him and the world will be saved!
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on April 17, 2014, 05:33:57 pm
I'm kind of amused Disney bought out a terrible Lets Player in general.

I closed the previous thread as tone wise it was going weird places and we've pretty much covered why there has a been a wee bit of an exodus this last year.

In my opinion, we can't really stop the general decrease of players but instead should be working towards bringing back older ones and keeping things fresh enough so people might not get bored and leave in the first place.

Consider contacting or asking old friends who dabbled in the past, client side mods or just playing events in Total Conversion mods we have too. Speaking of events, the reigments or people in charge should consider trying custom maps or just shaking things up by changing the game mode every now and then. Maybe experiment with having events at a slightly later or earlier time.

We could also do with with a new promotional STEAM Event Group with an active staff with a good selection process to prevent bellends from abusing the system. I left the old one almost a year ago because some clown thought abusing his annoucement rights was hilarious.

We as a whole community can really do a lot more to keep things going. The NW community won't entirely die too, It will however close up and become a lot less accessible for newer players or mods to take off which we must prevent from happening.

Oh, and a STEAM sale or reduction in price would help a lot too.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Malakith on April 17, 2014, 09:05:38 pm
Its an old game with a fading engine and graphics set in an extremely niche market.
Organised line battle events regardless of how "rigid" or "loose" your rules, are comparatively a very rigid structure of play with pre-defined rules outside of those the game engine enforces.

Add in the setting and you are only making the target audience even smaller and most of those who would be interested will already have tried it by this point in the games life cycle.
Sadly timezones do their treacherous magic and prevent huge segments of the community from ever interacting with each other to make things more difficult.

It was always the way a game like this was going to go, the remaining community just needs to actually work together to keep the events going. Put old grudges aside (can you even remember why half of them started?), actually talk to each other when something upsets you/your regiment in an event and resolve it rather than throwing toys out of the pram and rage quitting.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Johan on April 17, 2014, 11:46:32 pm
Just to boost my E-Peen, I came here from MM.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on April 18, 2014, 12:59:34 am
What I just dealt with reguarding the end of a infamous regiment, we really do not need that stuff at all as well while we're on the subject.

I think we'd all agree such beef should be kept off the forums.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: tacticalretreat on April 18, 2014, 02:18:47 am
It was always the way a game like this was going to go, the remaining community just needs to actually work together to keep the events going. Put old grudges aside (can you even remember why half of them started?), actually talk to each other when something upsets you/your regiment in an event and resolve it rather than throwing toys out of the pram and rage quitting.
+1 for this, some of these hatreds date back to mm ffs. I think its time to stop it
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: FrithBiscuit on April 18, 2014, 02:26:34 am
It was always the way a game like this was going to go, the remaining community just needs to actually work together to keep the events going. Put old grudges aside (can you even remember why half of them started?), actually talk to each other when something upsets you/your regiment in an event and resolve it rather than throwing toys out of the pram and rage quitting.
+1 for this, some of these hatreds date back to mm ffs. I think its time to stop it
Shut up, troll.

 :-*
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Preston on April 18, 2014, 02:40:59 am
Dunno
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ChaBoy on April 18, 2014, 06:37:49 am
I think the problem is that people are not as interested in older games about history that take patience and tactics and more interested in the next COD that is coming out.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: AntonioTheWorstAtMelee on April 18, 2014, 05:48:24 pm
boring old game that people are getting tired of (just because you have guns and linebattles doesn't mean people will be wowed for much longer than huscarl shields and maces)

look at native, maybe 200 active NA players at peak hours.  it happens to everything, Ive played since beta native, that died out/became boring for the majority and then we moved to cRPG.  cRPG to MM/NW (cRPG is not as big as it used to be, but having a lot more interest potential with armors/weapons/strategus etc keeps it alive. compared to boring ol' unchanging NW)  and now NW is dying.  No way to change it without dev support/better community because okay big sale woo, brings in new players while older ones like me go to play native/project reality/clash of clans/whatever because NW is boring now.

(ive played everything MB since original, don't argue with the patterns of this game)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Salt on April 19, 2014, 07:42:27 pm
I think the problem is that people are not as interested in older games about history that take patience and tactics and more interested in the next COD that is coming out.

I'd agree with that. The game is not appealing to the masses in my opinion. It takes patience to become good at the game, and the appeal of a linebattle is for a rather small group of people.

Also, go Browns.  ;D
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Macca on April 20, 2014, 04:27:19 am
If you ask me, NW's not worth being a DLC in my opinion. If I wasn't a 24/7 MM player, I wouldn't have paid for NW, it's not worth it.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Grimsight on April 20, 2014, 09:11:18 pm
If you ask me, NW's not worth being a DLC in my opinion. If I wasn't a 24/7 MM player, I wouldn't have paid for NW, it's not worth it.

I've pumped in 1500 hours to NW, i'd say its worth it.

The game isn't dying as fast as some people say. Regiments at the moment are bigger than they have been in a long time (at least for NA). The only real thing that is killing this game is the gradual transition of the NA community becoming almost entirely troll infested
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Audiate on April 20, 2014, 09:36:48 pm
To be honest, sales aren't going to help. It might start a short influx for a bit but that's about it. Plus, the majority of people who buy games during the sales just buy it because it's cheap, but either never ever play it, or play it briefly. And with NW being a DLC, a lot of people will overlook playing it entirely.

YouTubers are definitely the biggest influx. It's one of those games that once you see gameplay, you know you have to play it, and next thing you know, you're leading a regiment. lul. #mystory #realtalk

Anyway, getting good YouTubers into the game is a good idea. Just a couple LPers to make one vid each, and that's already a major increase in players. It also demands the regiments of the community to recruit, otherwise people will play, and people will go.

I've always thought a collaboration channel of some of the most charismatic, funny, and entertaining community members, with the support of the rest of the community (YouTube works so that big YouTubers get bigger) would eventually get people attracted to the game long term. As long as these people don't directly advertise regiments and stuff (just for it being unfair), it would benefit everyone.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Skipper on April 21, 2014, 01:12:26 pm
Anyone who knows me well enough can guess my answer.

The reason the (EU at least) community is dying is that regiments are dying.

The base of the community is regiments, just look at this forum, but regiments are starting to fail. A year ago we went through (for a few months) what the 67th called the regimental recession. Regiments struggled and the balance of power tipped. People lost interest in regiments and so left and in order to make up for losses certain regiments made drastic actions such as poaching (which almost killed my regiment until I changed leadership style). By the end of this event EU1 was inactive. Many major regiments such as the 88th and 91st had disbanded, and many smaller regiments had formed that died within a week.

This was a result of a boredom of regiments, ultimately damaging regiments and the base of the community. This is continuing to degrade the community, look at the size of the Saturday linebattle now. People may believe battle cry of freedom will fix the community but I think it will most likely develop its own community consisting of mainly NA members and a few old NW community members. It is its own game that is more appealing to NA and won't save NW.

I can't think of a solution is there is one to the dying community.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on April 21, 2014, 03:06:53 pm
Like I said, there isn't much you can do but conserve what little is left and try and get back the few who might be interested in coming back now.

You could always try a petition to lower the cost of the DLC on STEAM. It could perhaps work?
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Herishey on April 21, 2014, 03:08:43 pm
Not a bad idea.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: 5arge on April 21, 2014, 04:33:20 pm
"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on April 21, 2014, 05:27:51 pm
That was the tone of the previous thread, and sadly it is sort of true. Event activity, server population and general forum activity outside the regiments spam section have steadily declined since the new year.

Like I briefly stated before to improve the situation:

Strong dedicated player run STEAM groups for mods and events with mature people managing them.
A general burying of the hatchet reguarding community ills and trolling.
A stronger sense of community on the forums especially with BOTH time zones.
A line battle map pack and other attempts at keeping events fresh and interesting.
The return of regiment led pubbie regiments.
Bigger regiments encouraging some of their numbers to go Independent.
An attempt with a petition a lower pricing of the DLC.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Audiate on April 21, 2014, 05:33:43 pm
Mods, while great, will break up the game. From personal experience, a lot of my old regimental pals went totally inactive due to North & South, and some regiments, including my own, had been shattered into small, inactive groupings. Mods are going to slow stuff down for now, as great as they are. They need their own communities.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Blobmania on April 21, 2014, 05:45:32 pm
Older games go out of fashion, that's just how it goes. NW's still doing damn well given that the engine is 5 years old (and was far from top of the line even then).
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: TheRedRedcoat on April 21, 2014, 10:21:18 pm
1. This game has a high learning curve in my opinion. Yes, you might say that it's just a matter of clicking, but the combat system is easy to learn, hard to master. It turns new players off because they kind of get wrecked on all of the servers they go on, especially Official_NA_1 where you have to wait 5 minutes to respawn.
2. No advertisement. I found this game in November 2012 in the related videos for a Prince of Macedon Total War commentary. I had NEVER seen this game before that. Kind of says something. People need to learn about this game.
3. Players that have played forever are getting bored. We haven't had a single update since the sailor one, which had so much potential. THINK OF ALL THE THINGS THAT COULD BE PUT IN THROUGH AN UPDATE. More units, ships with cannons, better skins, new maps, more factions (Sweden, Ottomans, Spain, USA).

I really don't think the price has anything to do with it. It only costs like $10. Someone who has a $3000 gaming PC isn't going to shirk from buying this DLC because of its price.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Newkirk on April 21, 2014, 10:37:11 pm
1. This game has a high learning curve in my opinion. Yes, you might say that it's just a matter of clicking, but the combat system is easy to learn, hard to master. It turns new players off because they kind of get wrecked on all of the servers they go on, especially Official_NA_1 where you have to wait 5 minutes to respawn.
2. No advertisement. I found this game in November 2012 in the related videos for a Prince of Macedon Total War commentary. I had NEVER seen this game before that. Kind of says something. People need to learn about this game.
3. Players that have played forever are getting bored. We haven't had a single update since the sailor one, which had so much potential. THINK OF ALL THE THINGS THAT COULD BE PUT IN THROUGH AN UPDATE. More units, ships with cannons, better skins, new maps, more factions (Sweden, Ottomans, Spain, USA).

I really don't think the price has anything to do with it. It only costs like $10. Someone who has a $3000 gaming PC isn't going to shirk from buying this DLC because of its price.

Again this game cannot have moving ships with cannons due to the engine. There's no way to nail the cannon down to the ship, you'd sail your ship away and just leave your cannon floating in the air behind you.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Killington on April 21, 2014, 11:12:31 pm
What if instead of moving the boat and leaving behind the cannon... we move everything other than the boat and cannon and let them stay where they are! :o
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Skipper on April 21, 2014, 11:23:24 pm
Lol, could work
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Newkirk on April 22, 2014, 12:06:57 am
What if instead of moving the boat and leaving behind the cannon... we move everything other than the boat and cannon and let them stay where they are! :o
Genius....
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Turin Turambar on April 22, 2014, 12:08:26 am
What if instead of moving the boat and leaving behind the cannon... we move everything other than the boat and cannon and let them stay where they are! :o
What if there are two boats?
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Commissar Jdf on April 22, 2014, 12:09:28 am
What if instead of moving the boat and leaving behind the cannon... we move everything other than the boat and cannon and let them stay where they are! :o

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/67823144/boat.jpg)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on April 22, 2014, 12:31:38 am
It is not just the price of the DLC, but the fact that anyone browsing it would see the year of Warbands release and just assume nobody is still playing it.

Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Killington on April 22, 2014, 12:59:59 am
What if instead of moving the boat and leaving behind the cannon... we move everything other than the boat and cannon and let them stay where they are! :o
Genius....
Thank you! :)

What if instead of moving the boat and leaving behind the cannon... we move everything other than the boat and cannon and let them stay where they are! :o
What if there are two boats?
Server crashes.

What if instead of moving the boat and leaving behind the cannon... we move everything other than the boat and cannon and let them stay where they are! :o

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/67823144/boat.jpg)
Excellent representation! ;)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Malakith on April 22, 2014, 11:00:56 am
It is not just the price of the DLC, but the fact that anyone browsing it would see the year of Warbands release and just assume nobody is still playing it.

This right here, at least 80% of comments on my older videos when people stumble across them are "Do people still play this? I want to get involved but not if it is dead"
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: RisingSun_ on April 23, 2014, 07:09:35 am
Robbaz is my favourite. Replace Pewdiepie with him and the world will be saved!
I love him. Actually that AngryJoe guy did a review of NW. He said he loved it.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Furrnox on April 23, 2014, 10:04:55 am
Saying that the game is dying is an overstatement I mean it started dying a long time ago but we are more in a stalemate now where no one joins the community and no one leaves and if someone actually leaves there is like 1 new person to replace him/her, though those that leave the community usually comes back rather quickly.

But what the reasons for this game not growing is things that have been mentioned before Warband is old, the lack of updates and the price.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Von_Clausewitz on April 23, 2014, 05:02:29 pm
Regiments
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on April 23, 2014, 05:33:16 pm
Regiments

Regiments are the community so you are technically saying the community is killing the community.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Von_Clausewitz on April 23, 2014, 05:46:10 pm
Exactly
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Walko on April 23, 2014, 05:48:14 pm
I see that as a completely fair point.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: 16thUhlans Col Witchking on April 23, 2014, 06:01:46 pm
Whats killing the game is the regiments who think they own the internet world going around picking on ppl banning them for fun just ruins the game communitys rep its sad because this community had a chance
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Siwi on April 23, 2014, 08:27:29 pm
Regiments

Regiments are the community so you are technically saying the community is killing the community.
Well, the drama associated with the regiments has turned quite a few loyal players away
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 23, 2014, 08:43:44 pm
People have been screaming at regiments to shape themselves up for a while now, it's not happening.

So I've gone to blaming them for the early demise of the game.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Grimsight on April 23, 2014, 09:45:21 pm
What exactly is the 'ideal reg?'
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Walko on April 23, 2014, 10:11:42 pm
In the sense of the community, probably just one that is nice to everyone.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Siwi on April 23, 2014, 10:14:17 pm
What exactly is the 'ideal reg?'
*cough* the 4th *cough*

Ya  one that is chill, yet organized, and doesn't dwell on past Bambi's trying to cause problems.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on April 23, 2014, 10:31:11 pm
A regiment that keeps all aggressions purely tied to the game mechanics too.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: USE4life on April 23, 2014, 11:21:31 pm
Age is killing it. There's nothing new ever added to it. All new ideas have to be implemented by members of the community and Warband is made in such a way that adding new things (like the gun-game game-mode the Nr7 did perfectly) is really hard. BCoF was set in the wrong war in my opinion and I think the game will almost die a complete death as soon as there is a Napoleonic themed mod/DLC for Bannerlord.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: AlekoTheGreek on April 23, 2014, 11:25:35 pm
the game is getting old... guys... believe it or not, we are getting bored of it :D
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Newkirk on April 23, 2014, 11:46:28 pm
I used to think I would never get bored of this game, but even I'm really burnt out on it. If it wasn't for leading my regiment and certain aspects of the community I would have been gone a long time ago.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Mathias on April 24, 2014, 03:07:44 am
I used to think I would never get bored of this game, but even I'm really burnt out on it. If it wasn't for leading my regiment and certain aspects of the community I would have been gone a long time ago.
Same here if my regiment ever disbanded I probably would leave the community or just make a regiment for once since its my last ditch attempt at the game.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Skipper on April 24, 2014, 08:31:31 am
I don't think regiments themselves can be purely blamed for killing the game, considering that they are the base of the game and one of the main reasons for its success. While public games are fun, they are easy to get bored of and without regiments the game certainly couldn't be as successful as it has been.

I think the game is just dying because it is old and every great game (apart from Rome: Total War) goes through this. No point blaming regiments, considering a lot of people purchased the game to join them.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: MackCW on April 24, 2014, 12:48:02 pm
Every few months "the dlc is dying" thread comes along. Even when...

NA1 still gets 100+ pop two years later. LBs are more popular than ever, competitive play is still healthy etc.

Game has a long way to go before it "dies".
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Newkirk on April 24, 2014, 01:52:30 pm
I noticed the same thing Mack, I'm convinced it's just when one certain person or a small group of his friends gets bored or his/their regiment dies, that's how these things start. And there may be some general decline of the game itself, but it does still have a long way to go.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: AlekoTheGreek on April 24, 2014, 02:06:16 pm
the reality is that plubic servers have less people than ever, and events are less too :(
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Cara on April 24, 2014, 02:14:41 pm
I don't think I will be ever bored to play skirmisher  :D
But I'm agree to say that a main problem today is to see the trolls invasion on the servers and so on in some regiments... It's now quite hard to play on public servers without being bothered by trollish kids.
Our main recruitement area is Youtube for sure, but you have to be a real history passionate to buy a 34 euros "old" game  :-\
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: 5arge on April 24, 2014, 04:01:11 pm
Every few months "the dlc is dying" thread comes along. Even when...

NA1 still gets 100+ pop two years later. LBs are more popular than ever, competitive play is still healthy etc.

Game has a long way to go before it "dies".
Nailed it!
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: InfamousBeats on April 24, 2014, 04:36:16 pm
I don't think I will be ever bored to play skirmisher  :D
But I'm agree to say that a main problem today is to see the trolls invasion on the servers and so on in some regiments... It's now quite hard to play on public servers without being bothered by trollish kids.
Our main recruitement area is Youtube for sure, but you have to be a real history passionate to buy a 34 euros "old" game  :-\

Agree, many people are looking for drama and exagerating the situation. Sure NW is not a growing game like many others, since its sorta a niche, however people love and will continue so, even with the "lack of" better graphics. Huzzah for NW in the year 2020  :P
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Skipper on April 24, 2014, 05:28:05 pm
I disagree that it is not dying. You have only described NA but in the EU side everything appears to have dropped for about half a year.

Look at EU1 and also look at the Saturday linebattle.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: USE4life on April 24, 2014, 06:19:33 pm
I disagree that it is not dying. You have only described NA but in the EU side everything appears to have dropped for about half a year.

Look at EU1 and also look at the Saturday linebattle.

This. The EU community is a blimp of what it used to be.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: GoldenEagle on April 24, 2014, 08:02:43 pm
Make PewDiePie or any other big youtuber play this and you will have like 1 mill new players (Mostly kids though :I)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: AntonioTheWorstAtMelee on April 24, 2014, 08:23:06 pm
Make PewDiePie or any other big youtuber play this and you will have like 1 mill new players (Mostly kids though :I)

assuming its not already
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Siwi on April 24, 2014, 09:58:02 pm
Make PewDiePie or any other big youtuber play this and you will have like 1 mill new players (Mostly kids though :I)

assuming its not already

I never realized how young a lot of the community is. Looking at different applications and stuff the average age appears to be 15-16
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: MackCW on April 25, 2014, 02:38:24 am
the reality is that plubic servers have less people than ever, and events are less too :(

Maybe on the EU side ironically, but that is far from the truth on the NA side.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Mathias on April 25, 2014, 02:56:32 am
the reality is that plubic servers have less people than ever, and events are less too :(

Maybe on the EU side ironically, but that is far from the truth on the NA side.
There are more pubs in NA than EU, because it seems as though most of the EU community groupfights a lot more than NA.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Hadhod on April 25, 2014, 03:43:18 pm

Just a few things I could think of quickly. I just think if it hadn't been for the regiments this game would be long dead. They are what keeps the people playing; most of us would have stopped after 1 year if they were not in a regiment, simply because public playing gets rather dull after some time.

I must say however that we have as many events as never before currently going on: NWL, NANWL, NWEC, Reg. GF tourneys, Duel Leagues, 2vs2 cups, 5vs5 GF tourneys and an unbelievably big amount of LBs with more than 1000 players on peak times (EU side that is, dunno about NA). This is a clear sign that there is still interest in this game which is not likely to drop immediately.

Depending on how mod friendly Bannerlord and BCoF will be I am sure most of the community will move on to possible NW mods for those games because of stronger engines and better graphics.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Skipper on April 25, 2014, 05:15:04 pm
91st were Lannisters a year ago, back when I led House Stark, they finished when most of them got banned for trolling a few months before disbanding on NW.

Just thought I would put that out there, the rest is great.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Hadhod on April 25, 2014, 06:08:58 pm
91st were Lannisters a year ago, back when I led House Stark, they finished when most of them got banned for trolling a few months before disbanding on NW.

Just thought I would put that out there, the rest is great.
In case you didn't know, Tav was unbanned on Nexus some months ago and the Lannisters are going strong again with nearly 200 members. The core is still the same people (ex 91st).
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Skipper on April 26, 2014, 12:23:48 am
Ah ok, didn't realise they were back. Have not been on Nexus in a while since I disbanded House Stark, Vendetta disbanded, and I got rid of my admin. Was on Avalon for a bit but that has grown now like Nexus did so don't feel like going back to it, populated PW communities are too much for me xD.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Noodlenrice on April 26, 2014, 12:58:27 am
Stop mentioning the Saturday line battle skipper. There could be others or people dont like that event or day for an event. Stop basing your assumptions on one event dying or one server being unpopular. Plus the EU side has all of the other popular siege servers that split the officials servers population. Stop being a guy that says that the pond was brown so now the ocean is polluted and humans must escape to mars.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on April 26, 2014, 01:07:48 am
I'm watching this thread, if things turn hostile I feel like we've hit the glass ceiling of discussion and I'm locking. Just a heads up.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Skipper on April 26, 2014, 01:30:38 am
Stop mentioning the Saturday line battle skipper. There could be others or people dont like that event or day for an event. Stop basing your assumptions on one event dying or one server being unpopular. Plus the EU side has all of the other popular siege servers that split the officials servers population. Stop being a guy that says that the pond was brown so now the ocean is polluted and humans must escape to mars.

Sorry if I offended you or something, didn't mean to in any way I simply thought it was a valid point seeing as EU1 is the official server and the Saturday linebattle event use  to be one of the most popular and is one of the longest running. There are other event examples I could use but seeing as most are not considered official events and have only run for at most a few months it would not be the same. It is a valid point, what was previously a huge part of the community representing EU is now degraded shows something, groupfighting has not necessarily grown and neither have siege servers, 84e server died and 33rd gets less players.

I didn't mean any offense with my examples. Sorry if you felt that way. Also, remember this is my view on things considering I am not marketing FSE or anything I am simply speculating for a friendly discussion on the forums. :)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Noodlenrice on April 26, 2014, 02:45:36 am
Stop mentioning the Saturday line battle skipper. There could be others or people dont like that event or day for an event. Stop basing your assumptions on one event dying or one server being unpopular. Plus the EU side has all of the other popular siege servers that split the officials servers population. Stop being a guy that says that the pond was brown so now the ocean is polluted and humans must escape to mars.

Sorry if I offended you or something, didn't mean to in any way I simply thought it was a valid point seeing as EU1 is the official server and the Saturday linebattle event use  to be one of the most popular and is one of the longest running. There are other event examples I could use but seeing as most are not considered official events and have only run for at most a few months it would not be the same. It is a valid point, what was previously a huge part of the community representing EU is now degraded shows something, groupfighting has not necessarily grown and neither have siege servers, 84e server died and 33rd gets less players.

I didn't mean any offense with my examples. Sorry if you felt that way. Also, remember this is my view on things considering I am not marketing FSE or anything I am simply speculating for a friendly discussion on the forums. :)
Sorry if I rubbed off wrong like I hate you but I just didn't like the fact that everyone claims NW is dying. However I must say that NEC lb was one of the most popular and one of the longest run lbs. now barely 120 come to the event. there are several others in fact. YET it does not show that the DLC is dead but rather that the big regiments disagreed with rules or admins and decided to set up separate line battles. Also some people don't find the big line battles their piece of pie and like 1v1's. Once again the popularity (or lack of) of a once popular server or event do not mean that the game is dying. Lastly I'd like to point out that despite the lack of popularity on the once "ohh so important" event or server many NA regiments found time to get their numbers from an once stellar attendance of 20 to unthought of attendances of 40 or even 60. The increasing numbers in regiments obviously don't mean that the game is dying.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: AeroNinja on April 26, 2014, 09:39:22 am
Melee system, the trolls.

Many Elite Meleeplayers were leaving. Best community regiments disbanded. Like the BAB, 8Lr, 91st and some other good ones. I don't play the game much anymore either. Fully waiting for BCoF.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Rejenorst on April 26, 2014, 09:52:41 am
Time itself. Every product has a life cycle and novelty can wear off pretty quickly. At the end of the day its a DLC rather than a stand alone game and there are strong limitations to work within when you don't have access to the engine source code not to mention a community that is heavily divided with each change making it difficult to see the forest from the trees.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: AeroNinja on April 26, 2014, 09:53:15 am
Time itself. Every product has a life cycle and novelty can wear off pretty quickly. At the end of the day its a DLC rather than a stand alone game and there are strong limitations to work within when you don't have access to the engine source code not to mention a community that is heavily divided with each change making it difficult to see the forest from the trees.
Agreed.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Skipper on April 26, 2014, 11:15:47 am
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quickmba.com%2Fimages%2Fmarketing%2Fproduct%2Flifecycle%2Fplc.gif&hash=697d999fa796b11b4b79ddec521ddb5f7e6bb266)

So NW is in decline after a hugely successful run.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: tico13 on April 26, 2014, 05:47:48 pm
This conversation has come up every six months since I've been in the community.

Good players/regiments disband and leave. New ones take their place.

I ain't even worried.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Nano on April 26, 2014, 09:54:14 pm
A lot of the community drama is why a lot of people are also still here.
If there was no community drama, you would have the same amount of people left, but arguably to some people 'the nicer side'
This game is getting old and people get tired of games, that is what is killing it, time.
You can't stop it, you just have to find the next game.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on April 26, 2014, 10:00:27 pm
I'm sorry, I have to briefly drop from modertator impartiality for a wee moment and state that whole community drama is good is the dumbest thing I have ever read on these forums.

I'm pretty sure we've driven away or lost more people to dumb video game drama than gained. Hell if there was just dumb pointless drama that drove this community I would have long lost interest.

Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Hadhod on April 26, 2014, 10:06:28 pm
A lot of the community drama is why a lot of people are also still here.
If there was no community drama, you would have the same amount of people left, but arguably to some people 'the nicer side'
This game is getting old and people get tired of games, that is what is killing it, time.
You can't stop it, you just have to find the next game.
While I agree that a bit of friendly rivalry is helpful for any community, the current state is certainly not helping the game to stay alive. Many people are driven away, because some people can only get their fun by ruining the fun of others. Today's GF tournament was the best example, just good that the NiP guys got banned finally.

I rather have a smaller community with few trolls than a large one which is infested by them. But I guess that is expected too much.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Nano on April 26, 2014, 10:11:47 pm
I never said it was good, I said some people are still here for the drama.
There are so many people who are still here, or come back just to watch the next drama filled explosion.
The drama turns just as many people away as it does keep people here.
The drama is not why NW is dieing.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on April 26, 2014, 10:14:25 pm
Drama does not help and make an appealing community for people to join, people who see a drama or troll ridden community or hear of it (these forums sadly have a reputation now) will make a less of an effort to come out of their shell and experiment.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Hadhod on April 26, 2014, 10:58:16 pm
I never said it was good, I said some people are still here for the drama.
There are so many people who are still here, or come back just to watch the next drama filled explosion.
The drama turns just as many people away as it does keep people here.
The drama is not why NW is dieing.
And exactly those people are not needed. Those who are only here for drama and trolling can piss off and play CoD.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: AeroNinja on April 26, 2014, 10:58:48 pm
I never said it was good, I said some people are still here for the drama.
There are so many people who are still here, or come back just to watch the next drama filled explosion.
The drama turns just as many people away as it does keep people here.
The drama is not why NW is dieing.
And exactly those people are not needed. Those who are only here for drama and trolling can piss off and play CoD.
f**king right you are hadhod. Can't fully agree more with this statement.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Skipper on April 26, 2014, 11:43:32 pm
Yeah I think people are still here because, firstly regimental events, and secondly it is a really fun game.

The "Drama" is bad and makes lots of people leave in personal experience.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on April 27, 2014, 12:38:04 am
To change the subject back now to something more positive, should we still attempt a petition at least? If somebody points me to a good website for it I will happily set it up and sticky the thread :)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Bruin on April 29, 2014, 05:22:11 am
Easy...

I personally think because the game is so repulsive nothing is ever new. Siege use to be the sweetest game mode ever 84e and 33rd Siege use to be full all the time; when Napoleonic Wars came out as an official DLC and was on Steam. Later on people released it got boring and nothing to look forward to if you're not in a regiment. I personally remember when I wasn't in a regiment and over summer break I spent entire day from 8am to 5pm playing siege and that ruined the game for me I can't even play it today because its so boring and repulsive; Defense man the walls... attacks attack and get shot over and over again... Defenders get hit by a cannon ball...attackers breach in...sappers waste all the build points on planks so no defenses...But I'm happy people are making their own game modes like Jail Break and trying to get people back into the game.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Skipper on April 29, 2014, 08:25:17 am
Well speaking as an admin of the original server, I am not too happy that tons of people are copying our idea with jail break.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Stoniestpepper on April 29, 2014, 05:24:12 pm
Copying ideas is the way of life, to be honest there needs to be some update adding things to NW to make it more fun and fresh
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Toffee on May 05, 2014, 03:59:03 pm
Easy...

I personally think because the game is so repulsive nothing is ever new. Siege use to be the sweetest game mode ever 84e and 33rd Siege use to be full all the time; when Napoleonic Wars came out as an official DLC and was on Steam. Later on people released it got boring and nothing to look forward to if you're not in a regiment. I personally remember when I wasn't in a regiment and over summer break I spent entire day from 8am to 5pm playing siege and that ruined the game for me I can't even play it today because its so boring and repulsive; Defense man the walls... attacks attack and get shot over and over again... Defenders get hit by a cannon ball...attackers breach in...sappers waste all the build points on planks so no defenses...But I'm happy people are making their own game modes like Jail Break and trying to get people back into the game.
The 77y stopped hosting our siege event shortly after I joined. I guess the community just got bored of siege :(. Also we sometimes have to swap one of our lines over in the 77y sunday linebattle due to a lack of line regiments signing up :(
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: MackCW on May 05, 2014, 06:35:05 pm
Well speaking as an admin of the original server, I am not too happy that tons of people are copying our idea with jail break.

Groupfighting was an entirely foreign concept the first time it was introduced. Thank God that mode got copied.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Bruin on May 05, 2014, 07:06:06 pm
Well speaking as an admin of the original server, I am not too happy that tons of people are copying our idea with jail break.
Well that's life. You have that in the real world. Phones, Mp3, tv's, and misc. People copy people thinking they can make it better.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Skipper on May 05, 2014, 07:11:03 pm
And people are not happy about it, that's life too.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SherlockCat on May 05, 2014, 09:29:15 pm
You should be happy that people are copying it, it means it's a good idea.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 07, 2014, 11:09:26 pm
Jailbreak? What, is that a fun thing like 63eFootball?
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: FrithBiscuit on May 07, 2014, 11:36:56 pm
#63e
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: csderp on May 08, 2014, 04:23:22 am
#63e
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Eatjello on May 09, 2014, 04:54:23 pm
NW is not dieing, some parts of the game are getting slightly smaller community will become more pure.
The trolls are at the last stage of there road to leaving the game for good, but others will get bored and then turn in trolls.

Far as regiments dying maybe u should look at your leader.

Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Earth Bby on May 09, 2014, 09:39:27 pm
NW is not dieing, some parts of the game are getting slightly smaller community will become more pure.
The trolls are at the last stage of there road to leaving the game for good, but others will get bored and then turn in trolls.

Far as regiments dying maybe u should look at your leader.

wa? So trolls are leaving and making it pure then more come?  ??? There will always be trolls, it's the internet. Personally I think this game is decreasing in size because it doesn't get the attention it used too.

Looky here

Half a million views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTnJXZ8LDG8
[close]

Famousish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21w0XZZ07TQ
[close]

Also, the games been out a while, people don't have to play it forever. I don't think NW will ever truly die, people will find it on a whim and start playing and be recruited.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: stylish on May 10, 2014, 12:45:45 am
Give us a steam sale already :) will give the game quite the influx of new players I'm sure.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Apollo on May 10, 2014, 01:36:00 am
Steam sales are, unfortunately, up to Taleworlds, afaik.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on May 12, 2014, 01:27:01 am
I got around to working on the petition never the less, It is worth a try. Pass around to current and former regiment members and NW playing friends now. (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/the-reduction-of-mouth-blade-napoleonic-wars)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Nipplestockings on May 12, 2014, 01:36:50 am
I got around to working on the petition never the less, It is worth a try. Pass around to current and former regiment members and NW playing friends now. (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/the-reduction-of-mouth-blade-napoleonic-wars)

Signed it. I don't play NW anymore but I'd like others to be able to continue to enjoy it. Hopefully this garners some attention.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: usnavy30 on May 12, 2014, 03:15:45 am
Signed as well.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 21, 2014, 09:07:59 pm
I signed it myself.

A price slash at this point would probably only net more money, cheaper games get bought more often on a whim.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on May 23, 2014, 07:04:21 pm
I've passed the URL out to everyone on my STEAM friends list, please do the same for players both active and semi-retired if you can now. I know we can at least get 100 signatures now.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Keita on May 23, 2014, 10:44:49 pm
the horse
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: LLCoolJ on June 03, 2014, 06:54:22 pm
The developers just need to make some DLC for a DLC... ya feel?

Maybe not, just update the game with some new factions/regiments. IDK, I'm pinning all my hopes on L'aigle.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Von Alten on June 06, 2014, 07:08:24 pm
signed
recently, as in the cases of RO2 and Sniper Elite V2, there has been a free 24h period where you can get a copy of the game. most of my friends have downloaded it and are playing, if this happened for the M&B franchised that would be great
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Brynjolf on June 06, 2014, 08:22:07 pm
Not gone die, The reason why its not being covered is because pepole think this is what lonely old men do. We need to prove them wrong and show them the fun side of this and the community aspects. Atm we seem boring and the gameplay looks boring. I bought MB Warband because I saw somebody play it on youtube then randomly bought NW one day for no reason because a friend was playing it.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Taopam on June 13, 2014, 09:55:28 am
Sign it
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Saxon on June 14, 2014, 11:06:58 am
There are plenty of people who cover NW on Youtube but they just don't have a large following; E.G Jampad.

I love Jam pad :D However I don't like watching the linebattles :c
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Herishey on June 14, 2014, 11:23:13 am
signed
recently, as in the cases of RO2 and Sniper Elite V2, there has been a free 24h period where you can get a copy of the game. most of my friends have downloaded it and are playing, if this happened for the M&B franchised that would be great
I like dis idea, I doubt much money is still being made from Warband anyway and it would be nice to get a flow of  new players.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Saxon on June 14, 2014, 12:25:25 pm
signed
recently, as in the cases of RO2 and Sniper Elite V2, there has been a free 24h period where you can get a copy of the game. most of my friends have downloaded it and are playing, if this happened for the M&B franchised that would be great
I like dis idea, I doubt much money is still being made from Warband anyway and it would be nice to get a flow of  new players.

Then do like 50% off on NW :P
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on June 14, 2014, 05:39:14 pm
It really breathed some new life into Battlefield 3 too.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: dutchsharpe on June 21, 2014, 11:24:02 pm
Steam must have heard about this..
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Death by EMP on June 22, 2014, 01:17:30 am
It's not because of the price of the game, this is fact. Just look at the trend with people leaving. "The game is getting boring" "I'd rather focus my time on IRL and other worthwhile endeavors, and so I quit entirely". 2 of the prominent ones. Look at Warcraft 3. I believe it's over a decade old and still has a larger playerbase than NW. Ask yourself why that is and you find the answer to both your questions. Warcraft 3 has a) a more in depth gameplay system and b) a larger esports scene. NW has tried to achieve a strong standing in both these spots but has ultimately failed, and will not likely happen. The game simply isn't advanced enough to keep it fresh forever. Sure there is many techniques but they are not as numerous as most other long standing games. You think of the games that have managed to captivate their community for ages and most of what you will come up with are strategy games. Warcraft 3, DotA, Starcraft: Brood War. Why strategy games? Because the amount of stuff to learn and discover, whether it be unit strategies, army strategies, map strategies so on and so forth is nearly limitless. In NW you master 2 (could be debated 3 weapons) and you're pretty much set for the whole game, and these weapons aren't particularly hard to master either. Learn to efficiently use the musket and bayonet and you have essentially mastered the game (Sword optional adding up to 3 weapons). In a strategy game if you want to be the best, be a masterful player or whatever you hope to acheive, you will have to master every single unit of every single army, on every single map, in which every single map any one unit has a different use and strategy and then tack on the fact that 2 of the 3 of these games have custom map creators which are commonly used and sometimes create entirely new games with whole new sets of units and strategies to master (Warcraft 3 ---> DotA) and you realize why these games have managed to keep their fans hooked for over a decade. The sooner you realize NW is not that advanced and never will be, the sooner you can learn to accept the game will die, and it is probably going to be soon. Not even the mods can make it fresh because it can be argued that maps don't have that big of an effect on gameplay (Not anywhere near as mucha s previously mentioned games anyways) and most mods are a reskin not a total conversion, so there is not much change. Honestly the big secret to keeping the game alive is the modders, more specifically, we need an exceptionally talented and creative mod team to make something that makes the game different enough for you to believe it is an actual mod/ total conversion rather than a reskin. The game needs to not only look different, but feel different. Keep the same old combat that we've grown to love, but implement it in a way that is new and fresh. cRPG team has managed to do this for Native, as has the crew behind Vikingr. We've yet to come even close to this for NW however, I'd say the closest attempt was IE but they messed up on 2 areas 1) The talent was not there (Sorry but it's true, the servers barely handled most of the big things people were excited about like grenades and artillery, and it became unplayable with 100+ people), they had too much ambition and maybe should have tried something more tame for their first mod. and 2) It focused on gunplay rather than melee. Only a daft man believes gunplay is what keeps people hooked to NW for 2,000+ hours. No, huge 200 man organized linebattle events and in-depth melee keeps people hooked for thousands upon thousands of hours.

I'd like you guys to look at Native. We know Native has the larger playerbase at this point and time, now you have to realize why. The answer is simple, there is more weapons to learn and more combat styles to have. The large selection of weapons and weapon types along with the customizability makes the game much more in-depth than NW. Simple as that. Now look at it's most successful mods and see what they do. cRPG, Nord Invasion, PW. What do they have in common? They take the core strength of Warband and revolutionize it with a whole new system, implementing it into something new and fresh that veterans will be familiar with, but new to at the same time, and to newcomers will feel like a whole new game. cRPG adds a persistent role playing system to the game, making you work for your gear and stats, rather than having them handed to you at troop selection, and it also freshens up and improves combat with many new systems and rebalances. Nord Invasion turns the game into a coop wave survival mod with the persistence of cRPG. PW takes the combat of native and adds it into basically a whole new game where you undergo the role of whoever you want to be, whether it be merchant, miner or town guard.

Mount and Musket did the same thing as these mods, it took the core concept and turned it into basically a brand new game. Adding muskets and the resources for players to run organized linebattle re-enactments? Yeah that's minty fresh. Unfortunately the concept is just not as advanced or changed to have the longevity these other mods have. If we want to breathe new life into NW we need to update the formula to where it keeps the core concept but feels like a new game. We need a MRPG (Musket Role Playing Game), we need a PLB??? (Persistent Linebattle) (It's a thought), something that will reinvent the game but keep the things we love. That's what the successful Native mods do. You can't say Native isn't made more popular and kept alive by it's mods, without them it would be dead already. Unfortunately, thus far, NW has only been kept alive by itself. All it's mods so far have been re-skins or failed attempts, and it will stay that way until we get that one mod that gets it right.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Saxon on June 22, 2014, 06:58:55 pm
Spoiler
It's not because of the price of the game, this is fact. Just look at the trend with people leaving. "The game is getting boring" "I'd rather focus my time on IRL and other worthwhile endeavors, and so I quit entirely". 2 of the prominent ones. Look at Warcraft 3. I believe it's over a decade old and still has a larger playerbase than NW. Ask yourself why that is and you find the answer to both your questions. Warcraft 3 has a) a more in depth gameplay system and b) a larger esports scene. NW has tried to achieve a strong standing in both these spots but has ultimately failed, and will not likely happen. The game simply isn't advanced enough to keep it fresh forever. Sure there is many techniques but they are not as numerous as most other long standing games. You think of the games that have managed to captivate their community for ages and most of what you will come up with are strategy games. Warcraft 3, DotA, Starcraft: Brood War. Why strategy games? Because the amount of stuff to learn and discover, whether it be unit strategies, army strategies, map strategies so on and so forth is nearly limitless. In NW you master 2 (could be debated 3 weapons) and you're pretty much set for the whole game, and these weapons aren't particularly hard to master either. Learn to efficiently use the musket and bayonet and you have essentially mastered the game (Sword optional adding up to 3 weapons). In a strategy game if you want to be the best, be a masterful player or whatever you hope to acheive, you will have to master every single unit of every single army, on every single map, in which every single map any one unit has a different use and strategy and then tack on the fact that 2 of the 3 of these games have custom map creators which are commonly used and sometimes create entirely new games with whole new sets of units and strategies to master (Warcraft 3 ---> DotA) and you realize why these games have managed to keep their fans hooked for over a decade. The sooner you realize NW is not that advanced and never will be, the sooner you can learn to accept the game will die, and it is probably going to be soon. Not even the mods can make it fresh because it can be argued that maps don't have that big of an effect on gameplay (Not anywhere near as mucha s previously mentioned games anyways) and most mods are a reskin not a total conversion, so there is not much change. Honestly the big secret to keeping the game alive is the modders, more specifically, we need an exceptionally talented and creative mod team to make something that makes the game different enough for you to believe it is an actual mod/ total conversion rather than a reskin. The game needs to not only look different, but feel different. Keep the same old combat that we've grown to love, but implement it in a way that is new and fresh. cRPG team has managed to do this for Native, as has the crew behind Vikingr. We've yet to come even close to this for NW however, I'd say the closest attempt was IE but they messed up on 2 areas 1) The talent was not there (Sorry but it's true, the servers barely handled most of the big things people were excited about like grenades and artillery, and it became unplayable with 100+ people), they had too much ambition and maybe should have tried something more tame for their first mod. and 2) It focused on gunplay rather than melee. Only a daft man believes gunplay is what keeps people hooked to NW for 2,000+ hours. No, huge 200 man organized linebattle events and in-depth melee keeps people hooked for thousands upon thousands of hours.

I'd like you guys to look at Native. We know Native has the larger playerbase at this point and time, now you have to realize why. The answer is simple, there is more weapons to learn and more combat styles to have. The large selection of weapons and weapon types along with the customizability makes the game much more in-depth than NW. Simple as that. Now look at it's most successful mods and see what they do. cRPG, Nord Invasion, PW. What do they have in common? They take the core strength of Warband and revolutionize it with a whole new system, implementing it into something new and fresh that veterans will be familiar with, but new to at the same time, and to newcomers will feel like a whole new game. cRPG adds a persistent role playing system to the game, making you work for your gear and stats, rather than having them handed to you at troop selection, and it also freshens up and improves combat with many new systems and rebalances. Nord Invasion turns the game into a coop wave survival mod with the persistence of cRPG. PW takes the combat of native and adds it into basically a whole new game where you undergo the role of whoever you want to be, whether it be merchant, miner or town guard.

Mount and Musket did the same thing as these mods, it took the core concept and turned it into basically a brand new game. Adding muskets and the resources for players to run organized linebattle re-enactments? Yeah that's minty fresh. Unfortunately the concept is just not as advanced or changed to have the longevity these other mods have. If we want to breathe new life into NW we need to update the formula to where it keeps the core concept but feels like a new game. We need a MRPG (Musket Role Playing Game), we need a PLB??? (Persistent Linebattle) (It's a thought), something that will reinvent the game but keep the things we love. That's what the successful Native mods do. You can't say Native isn't made more popular and kept alive by it's mods, without them it would be dead already. Unfortunately, thus far, NW has only been kept alive by itself. All it's mods so far have been re-skins or failed attempts, and it will stay that way until we get that one mod that gets it right.
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Good read and well said :D Not sure what else they could implement with the melee however xD There needs to be a good module out, I only enjoy(ed) ACOK and PW and the guys who made PW have made persistent frontier and persistent age which is basically the same thing... NW overhaul is the way forward
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Grozni on June 23, 2014, 02:48:16 pm
Some examples of people being wrong on the internet I think:

-The game is dying because of outdated graphics
Not really, outdated graphics is the main reason game has been alive for this long. This goes for Mount&Blade and all it's mods in general, if the game wasn't playable on low-end machines it would be dead by now, left by unfaithful audience composed of high-performance machine owners, who are often spoiled and low in spirit, and would rather go for simpler titles which let them achieve more self praise with less effort. I think portion of active players who don't own high-end machines is very large, and if somehow they all disappeared at once, the game would become dead that instant. With that being said, about 50% of epic figures I met, who I can't imagine game without, are running the game on crappy machines.

-NW has lack of depth
No, it does have lack of options to choose from, yes, but the depth of these options is amazing, proven by the fact that specialized (infantry and cav group fight) servers are always alive. Don't confuse quantity with quality, number of options and depth given by them. Depth of cavalry play is almost infinite, especially thanks to hussar horse, and you can spend years playing and learning process will hardly ever stop completely. Bayonet has depth as well, bit less than cav I think but I'm no expert there.

-The game is dying
Ofc, very very slowly though, I think it still has some life ahead of it, because there is nothing like it, you won't find these types of events in any other game, nor the melee system.

The game held amazingly well considering it is just a TC. The only reason I can think of NW is (slowly) dying, apart from natural reason of it being old, is because it is so dependent on friendships and bonds between people. Although this is initially good, it can also become a problem, as in some regiments all it takes is a couple of charismatic members drifting away from the game (for whichever reason, doesn't mean they got bored with it), and then slowly everything starts to collapse as older members miss the old friends and are annoyed by new recruits, the game loses meaning for them and becomes a 2nd or 3rd choice or they stop playing completely. Event the departure of enemy and hated rival can be a push for someone to quit playing. Probably same applied to real soldiers, who's friends got killed during campaigns and had their ranks filled with annoying new recruits, only they were forced by law to continue playing the game (now that sounds like a great idea :D)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Death by EMP on June 23, 2014, 03:23:21 pm
Some examples of people being wrong on the internet I think:

-The game is dying because of outdated graphics
Not really, outdated graphics is the main reason game has been alive for this long. This goes for Mount&Blade and all it's mods in general, if the game wasn't playable on low-end machines it would be dead by now, left by unfaithful audience composed of high-performance machine owners, who are often spoiled and low in spirit, and would rather go for simpler titles which let them achieve more self praise with less effort. I think portion of active players who don't own high-end machines is very large, and if somehow they all disappeared at once, the game would become dead that instant. With that being said, about 50% of epic figures I met, who I can't imagine game without, are running the game on crappy machines.

-NW has lack of depth
No, it does have lack of options to choose from, yes, but the depth of these options is amazing, proven by the fact that specialized (infantry and cav group fight) servers are always alive. Don't confuse quantity with quality, number of options and depth given by them. Depth of cavalry play is almost infinite, especially thanks to hussar horse, and you can spend years playing and learning process will hardly ever stop completely. Bayonet has depth as well, bit less than cav I think but I'm no expert there.

-The game is dying
Ofc, very very slowly though, I think it still has some life ahead of it, because there is nothing like it, you won't find these types of events in any other game, nor the melee system.

The game held amazingly well considering it is just a TC. The only reason I can think of NW is (slowly) dying, apart from natural reason of it being old, is because it is so dependent on friendships and bonds between people. Although this is initially good, it can also become a problem, as in some regiments all it takes is a couple of charismatic members drifting away from the game (for whichever reason, doesn't mean they got bored with it), and then slowly everything starts to collapse as older members miss the old friends and are annoyed by new recruits, the game loses meaning for them and becomes a 2nd or 3rd choice or they stop playing completely. Event the departure of enemy and hated rival can be a push for someone to quit playing. Probably same applied to real soldiers, who's friends got killed during campaigns and had their ranks filled with annoying new recruits, only they were forced by law to continue playing the game (now that sounds like a great idea :D)
You are wrong because I say so.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Grozni on June 23, 2014, 06:40:21 pm
I agree, my thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Merek on June 23, 2014, 06:48:25 pm
Yes many have left, but there is still a considerable number of people playing Napoleonic Wars, especially those involved in regiments. Most players have moved over to the Persistent World modification for Native, or at least so I've noticed.

This is a game. Games get boring. That's simply what's happening.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Newkirk on June 24, 2014, 08:43:43 am
As predicted the Steam summer sale has breathed new life into the playerbase. Servers are full of pubs these days.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Death by EMP on June 24, 2014, 09:38:22 am
As predicted the Steam summer sale has breathed new life into the playerbase. Servers are full of pubs these days.
last a month
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Newkirk on June 24, 2014, 08:25:53 pm
As predicted the Steam summer sale has breathed new life into the playerbase. Servers are full of pubs these days.
last a month
Those that stick around in the regiments, still a huge relief.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: PraetorianOverlord on June 25, 2014, 02:18:31 am
Two things, I do see some players leaving NW because they got bored of it, but down here in AU/NZ there are still about as many players as before.
Also I heard some people saying earlier that there was a decline in the amount of events, down here there hasn't been a decline in events, some could argue that there are more events.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Lawrence on June 25, 2014, 03:49:37 am
I have been playing napoleonic wars and MM since release... Linebattles are boring to me now.. Recruiting is boring, groupfighting is boring now... For old players, this game is just boring... We have seen it, been through it, and lived it all. As these old vets leave regiments and leave the game, some aspects of regiments and communities will crumble with NW because of it. BCoF will be a rebirth and be so much more fun and new... NW is just old and that is why the game is dying.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Faultier on June 28, 2014, 09:16:27 pm
Updates keeps the game alive and veterans interested. With no updates, the long-time-motivation will suffer -> End of NW
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Fifflaren on June 29, 2014, 12:50:51 am
92nd
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Mathias on June 29, 2014, 01:01:44 am
Sieges got boring 9 months ago, linebattles got boring 2 months ago, and my favorite thing groupfighting got boring 2 weeks ago. Thus my love for the game has extinguished.

- Story of my love

Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Getty on June 29, 2014, 03:55:40 am
The game isn't dying this thread is pointless. People have said that every 5 min since I started playing.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Newkirk on June 29, 2014, 06:25:21 am
I like how this thread has said the same darn thing for 11 pages now.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: sally100 on June 29, 2014, 12:23:41 pm
It really breathed some new life into Battlefield 3 too.

Just go away
every two posts is another one of your needless enlightenments

every thread on this forum about nw issues, you keep sticking your nose in

you also store a list of betty keys to give to people from servers i have not been banned from

ie servers i have BEHAVED on so they can still ban me anyway

pretty pathetic life you leave

whats that?  you going to cry and run for the ban button as its your only defence

and you wonder why the `nw community` is sinking faster than the titanic
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Fifflaren on June 29, 2014, 12:28:18 pm
92nd
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on June 29, 2014, 03:27:12 pm
It really breathed some new life into Battlefield 3 too.

Just go away
every two posts is another one of your needless enlightenments

every thread on this forum about nw issues, you keep sticking your nose in

you also store a list of betty keys to give to people from servers i have not been banned from

ie servers i have BEHAVED on so they can still ban me anyway

pretty pathetic life you leave

whats that?  you going to cry and run for the ban button as its your only defence

and you wonder why the `nw community` is sinking faster than the titanic

Commit yourself, you clearly need some form of professional help. Or give you all your money to charity instead of buying a million copies to troll a dying old games DLC. Also, bite me.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Saxon on June 29, 2014, 03:38:01 pm
It really breathed some new life into Battlefield 3 too.

Just go away
every two posts is another one of your needless enlightenments

every thread on this forum about nw issues, you keep sticking your nose in

you also store a list of betty keys to give to people from servers i have not been banned from

ie servers i have BEHAVED on so they can still ban me anyway

pretty pathetic life you leave

whats that?  you going to cry and run for the ban button as its your only defence

and you wonder why the `nw community` is sinking faster than the titanic

Commit yourself, you clearly need some form of professional help. Or give you all your money to charity instead of buying a million copies to troll a dying old games DLC. Also, bite me.

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi59.tinypic.com%2F2m3iq87.jpg&hash=5d87b155858b6ec80800a3c12f477dbb9c336368)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on June 29, 2014, 05:35:31 pm
Also, if the mighty Betty regiment or whatever you call your multiple personalities cared for the community they should sign the petition instead of starting fights. Or you starting fights.

Then you could buy a million more copies of the DLC and get banned a million more times.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: 29th.Kraut on June 29, 2014, 06:55:55 pm
So many tears, the game is what you make of it, end of story.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: sally100 on June 29, 2014, 07:31:30 pm

 Also, bite me.

very profesional,   

can you also explain why you have the nerve to give MY KEY IDS to servers that i have done ZILCH WRONG ON, in the hope they too can ban `just in case`?   
  this kind of pampering first class luxury treatment ive had without stop for two years now,  and then you WONDER why bettys do what they do, 

 you claim  `bettys got a chance` pfft thats a laugh......

about as much chance as telliing somebody they can be pushed off a cliff or jump off the cliff themself

you are like the zookeeper who keeps a lion in a cage all day, lets it go hungry, and then when the lion growls at people,  you say `oh dear its an angry lion it must be put down`

if you treat people like garbage, you cant excpect them to be all peach and roseys back to you singing kumbaya!   >:(
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Fifflaren on June 29, 2014, 07:37:58 pm
92nd
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Death by EMP on June 29, 2014, 07:46:45 pm

 Also, bite me.

very profesional,   

can you also explain why you have the nerve to give MY KEY IDS to servers that i have done ZILCH WRONG ON, in the hope they too can ban `just in case`?   
  this kind of pampering first class luxury treatment ive had without stop for two years now,  and then you WONDER why bettys do what they do, 

 you claim  `bettys got a chance` pfft thats a laugh......

about as much chance as telliing somebody they can be pushed off a cliff or jump off the cliff themself

you are like the zookeeper who keeps a lion in a cage all day, lets it go hungry, and then when the lion growls at people,  you say `oh dear its an angry lion it must be put down`

if you treat people like garbage, you cant excpect them to be all peach and roseys back to you singing kumbaya!   >:(
To be fair if they are eager to ban you when they get the IDs they probably have good reason to do so.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on June 29, 2014, 07:51:58 pm
Also, It was my job. All the admins and server owners do it.

This is the last time I am going to directly communicate with you 'Betty' or whomever you are. Seek mental help.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: sally100 on June 29, 2014, 07:54:56 pm
Also, It was my job. All the admins and server owners do it.

This is the last time I am going to directly communicate with you 'Betty' or whomever you are. Seek mental help.


Yeh because instantly deleting my threads of `we want peace`  which took on many occasions over an hour to write

instantly perm banning from forums anyone you remotely suspect is connected to betty

keeping a list of my key ids and actively encourage admins who i have had no problem with, to ban me `just in case`

is all TOTALLY called direct reasonable non bious communication

Yes, ban/unban policies tend to be biased against people who break them.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: McEwan on June 29, 2014, 08:09:52 pm
Let's bring this thread back on track, please. :)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Hinkel on June 29, 2014, 11:32:23 pm
Updates keeps the game alive and veterans interested. With no updates, the long-time-motivation will suffer -> End of NW

You dont need updates.. Just play a NW mod and you have more features, then in vanilla NW ;)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Getty on June 29, 2014, 11:36:11 pm
Although I don't believe the game is dying mods can only do so much my friend. They can't truly create a new troop class for people to play as or modify stats. Should clarify by that I mean stuff like enhancement mods.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Death by EMP on July 01, 2014, 07:29:59 am
Although I don't believe the game is dying mods can only do so much my friend. They can't truly create a new troop class for people to play as or modify stats. Should clarify by that I mean stuff like enhancement mods.
Yeah but that's entirely leaving out total conversions.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Hugonaut on July 24, 2014, 10:01:05 pm
Could I get the betty keys?
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Who- on July 25, 2014, 01:09:53 am
Could I get the betty keys?
+1, Its like the 12th guys all over again
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Coconut on July 25, 2014, 05:16:45 pm
Updates keeps the game alive and veterans interested. With no updates, the long-time-motivation will suffer -> End of NW

You dont need updates.. Just play a NW mod and you have more features, then in vanilla NW ;)
NW Mod, LOLOLOL. 90% of all NW mods lag and crash the server with 200 player events.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on July 25, 2014, 07:07:58 pm
Updates keeps the game alive and veterans interested. With no updates, the long-time-motivation will suffer -> End of NW

You dont need updates.. Just play a NW mod and you have more features, then in vanilla NW ;)
NW Mod, LOLOLOL. 90% of all NW mods lag and crash the server with 200 player events.

I've played N&S and Blood And Iron Events with those numbers and there was nothing like that at all.

NW is pretty unstable around 200 players anyway, so it is hardly the fault of the mods.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Coconut on July 25, 2014, 07:52:49 pm
Updates keeps the game alive and veterans interested. With no updates, the long-time-motivation will suffer -> End of NW

You dont need updates.. Just play a NW mod and you have more features, then in vanilla NW ;)
NW Mod, LOLOLOL. 90% of all NW mods lag and crash the server with 200 player events.

I've played N&S and Blood And Iron Events with those numbers and there was nothing like that at all.

NW is pretty unstable around 200 players anyway, so it is hardly the fault of the mods.
Don't forget bear force events that people tried to get to NW event numbers.... didnt work.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on July 25, 2014, 10:41:24 pm
They fixed it in Bear Force. They did in Iron Europe also. The community just decided to kill the mods anyway.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on July 26, 2014, 02:01:52 am
This community sadly has quite a short attention span or doesn't quite get into some mods, hence the really short life of them.

Which is a shame considering how much work that has been put into these things.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: LeeUntFischer on July 26, 2014, 02:56:50 pm
These threads are killing the game. Tbh the game is not dying, yet.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SeanBeansShako on July 26, 2014, 03:44:56 pm
Because that point hasn't been brought up before in the last 12 pages.

Numbers got a boost from the sales but the event side of things it seems it might only be short lived.

The community events are certainly dying off anyway. And now it is hard to get into the popular ones as it seems not enough people or regiments really want to bother hosting.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on July 26, 2014, 04:42:29 pm
The problem I see is that there are way to many events hosted by a bunch of different regiments. That and the hosts have a fairly... dictatorial fashion of running their events.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Toffee on July 28, 2014, 04:34:57 pm
This thread is really depressing me...
Nobody wants the game to die. We have all played and loved it every step of the way but we eventually have to face the facts.
It's an old game with an old engine set in a period which has a very small following. It was never going to be hugely well known because of taleworlds limited budget. The game has survived a while already due to mods and the resourcefulness of the community.
We can try to increase the playerbase but in my opinion it just won't happen due to the reasons stated above. It's time that we stop dwelling on the fact that the game is slowly dying and look to the next stage of the community-battle cry of freedom and Bannerlord.
(I know all of this has already been mentioned but I just thought I would share my opinion)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: MackCW on January 28, 2019, 05:13:05 am
Probably get a mute for this but...

Remember threads like this close to five years ago?
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Theodin on January 28, 2019, 05:16:07 am
Death is merely a state of mind
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Fralla8 on January 28, 2019, 02:16:29 pm
Game's been dying ever since it was released
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Noorwegian on January 28, 2019, 04:26:07 pm
Yet somehow it's still going
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Post by: Knightmare on January 28, 2019, 04:28:54 pm
i am :)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Wursti on January 28, 2019, 07:58:18 pm
just bring DiplexHeated and Malakith back


ez
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ~NickCole~ on January 28, 2019, 08:55:20 pm
just bring DiplexHeated and Malakith back


ez
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Post by: Fralla8 on January 28, 2019, 08:56:36 pm
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/BringBackMalakith 8)
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Post by: Aztir on January 29, 2019, 04:22:45 pm
good times
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Post by: Sgt.Winters on January 29, 2019, 06:18:52 pm
Parts best 77y
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Duuze on January 30, 2019, 05:47:57 am
Comeon ya bastards
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Dredd on January 31, 2019, 11:25:00 am
lmao good times in diplex's 14thNYSM

currently in 77y mad coincidence
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Snowwi on February 09, 2019, 11:01:39 pm
It's actually crazy how this game's death has been predicted so many times and somehow it is still alive
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: nIvan on February 09, 2019, 11:32:12 pm
if anything kills this game, its going to be steinmann
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Matt_ on February 17, 2019, 08:32:23 pm
if anything kills this game, its going to be steinmann
yikes
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Jayke on February 17, 2019, 10:58:14 pm
Groupfighting kills this game
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Fralla8 on February 17, 2019, 11:09:38 pm
Groupfighting kills this game
actually
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Keita on February 18, 2019, 01:57:51 am
Groupfighting kills this game
actually
no, shit people do
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ~NickCole~ on February 21, 2019, 01:07:15 pm
Groupfighting kills this game
actually
no, shit people do
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Infantry_Captain on March 10, 2019, 02:35:50 am
I suppose its just the age of the game.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Kasai on March 10, 2019, 10:16:53 am
I think many people dont see a challenge in this game anymore and arent really interested in playing because its always the same
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Anubis. on March 15, 2019, 10:24:08 am
If you look at the steam statistics mount and blade is actually more popular than it was in 2012-2015 in terms of average players. The players base has been fairly consistent from 2016 till now, according to steam statistics. I still see weekly events that reach 200/200 players. I see more regiments that want to do a gf than I saw a year ago. Either we lost players to native or other mods that also do events around 7 gmt or the game is just doing fine. Maybe the competitive scene has been lacking a bit, but i still see enough gf teams.

So the mount and blade isn't really dying, maybe NW is, but in my eyes atm it isnt really dying.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: AccursedGull on March 15, 2019, 11:51:45 am
True

Entire playerbase is pretty strong.
Unfortunatly you can't see how many players play which module.
I think native has the biggest playerbase atm from all modules
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ~NickCole~ on March 15, 2019, 12:28:11 pm
The EU side is holding up strong but the NA side has been on its last legs since Fall of last year.  :'(
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Eamon on March 15, 2019, 02:35:00 pm
The EU side is holding up strong but the NA side has been on its last legs since Fall of last year.  :'(

I think NA got a bit of a second wind come 2019 tho
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Golden. on March 15, 2019, 03:42:50 pm
True

Entire playerbase is pretty strong.
Unfortunatly you can't see how many players play which module.
I think native has the biggest playerbase atm from all modules

Native is still very strong, the competitive side too but that's mainly because of proper organisation and marketing/sponsorship from taleworlds among other companies. But the NW community has a native team that plays in native tournaments currently in the WNL you might have heard of us NNN or Napoleonic Native Noobs or you might even be in a better team but if anybody wants to try native competitive and/or is pretty good at native send me a message and I will show you the details to the team :). We even won the Minor League!
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Infantry_Captain on March 23, 2019, 12:22:28 am
I would say it is just the decay of time that is killing the game.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: sirkaide on March 27, 2019, 01:14:16 pm
True

Entire playerbase is pretty strong.
Unfortunatly you can't see how many players play which module.
I think native has the biggest playerbase atm from all modules

Native is still very strong, the competitive side too but that's mainly because of proper organisation and marketing/sponsorship from taleworlds among other companies. But the NW community has a native team that plays in native tournaments currently in the WNL you might have heard of us NNN or Napoleonic Native Noobs or you might even be in a better team but if anybody wants to try native competitive and/or is pretty good at native send me a message and I will show you the details to the team :). We even won the Minor League!

 ???
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Golden. on March 27, 2019, 02:52:24 pm
True

Entire playerbase is pretty strong.
Unfortunatly you can't see how many players play which module.
I think native has the biggest playerbase atm from all modules

Native is still very strong, the competitive side too but that's mainly because of proper organisation and marketing/sponsorship from taleworlds among other companies. But the NW community has a native team that plays in native tournaments currently in the WNL you might have heard of us NNN or Napoleonic Native Noobs or you might even be in a better team but if anybody wants to try native competitive and/or is pretty good at native send me a message and I will show you the details to the team :). We even won the Minor League!

 ???
???
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: sirkaide on March 27, 2019, 03:10:58 pm
True

Entire playerbase is pretty strong.
Unfortunatly you can't see how many players play which module.
I think native has the biggest playerbase atm from all modules

Native is still very strong, the competitive side too but that's mainly because of proper organisation and marketing/sponsorship from taleworlds among other companies. But the NW community has a native team that plays in native tournaments currently in the WNL you might have heard of us NNN or Napoleonic Native Noobs or you might even be in a better team but if anybody wants to try native competitive and/or is pretty good at native send me a message and I will show you the details to the team :). We even won the Minor League!

 ???
???

 ::)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Golden. on March 27, 2019, 06:47:06 pm
True

Entire playerbase is pretty strong.
Unfortunatly you can't see how many players play which module.
I think native has the biggest playerbase atm from all modules

Native is still very strong, the competitive side too but that's mainly because of proper organisation and marketing/sponsorship from taleworlds among other companies. But the NW community has a native team that plays in native tournaments currently in the WNL you might have heard of us NNN or Napoleonic Native Noobs or you might even be in a better team but if anybody wants to try native competitive and/or is pretty good at native send me a message and I will show you the details to the team :). We even won the Minor League!

 ???
???

 ::)
::)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Fralla8 on March 27, 2019, 07:38:11 pm
Shush
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Steinmann on April 15, 2019, 11:53:48 pm
if anything kills this game, its going to be steinmann
vouch
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Cameron. on April 16, 2019, 03:34:03 pm
Answers simple, product life cycle, year 7 business to university degree teaches you this. Shame NW wasn't paying attention  :-[.
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Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Fwuffy on April 16, 2019, 03:36:18 pm
maturity XDDDD
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Fralla8 on April 16, 2019, 03:46:48 pm
maturity XDDDD
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Earth Bby on April 17, 2019, 02:02:53 pm
Answers simple, product life cycle, year 7 business to university degree teaches you this. Shame NW wasn't paying attention  :-[.
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I think growth halted in 2016.

Maturity I agree. I think people grew up and left their toy soldiers behind can't live in the basement forever  :'(

Lazy management within groups also did harm. I've never understood why a leader can't just leave and the regiment persists? I know some groups have been successful doing this like 84th, 63e, 42nd for a time. I think good clans just fucking off and merging into ugly hybrids of them former selves stunted the competitive seen. (91st/92nd/84e/14e/8Lr/etc) all their members just joined temporary 8 month groups that didn't last or have any worth. Legacy and a continuously renewing of standard and defensive of titles would of made a massive impact in the competitive scene.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: sirkaide on April 17, 2019, 04:40:07 pm
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Answers simple, product life cycle, year 7 business to university degree teaches you this. Shame NW wasn't paying attention  :-[.
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I think growth halted in 2016.

Maturity I agree. I think people grew up and left their toy soldiers behind can't live in the basement forever  :'(

Lazy management within groups also did harm. I've never understood why a leader can't just leave and the regiment persists? I know some groups have been successful doing this like 84th, 63e, 42nd for a time. I think good clans just fucking off and merging into ugly hybrids of them former selves stunted the competitive seen. (91st/92nd/84e/14e/8Lr/etc) all their members just joined temporary 8 month groups that didn't last or have any worth. Legacy and a continuously renewing of standard and defensive of titles would of made a massive impact in the competitive scene.
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Mate, you made half a dozen regiments, with entirely different members and none survive today. It was leaders like yourself that tried to get their regiment to disband once the CO left. Great regiments like the 33rd, 63e, 59th, 15YR survived and thrived with their founding leader stepping down. Gaming and friendship communities regiments survive. The regiments you mentioned "91st/92nd/84e/14e/8Lr/etc" are all long gone. Regiments like the 33rd and 59th have been around for three times their life-span. I struggle to see why people like to see NW in 2013 as the golden years. I am probably the only leader, who managed a large regiment in 2013 and still plays in 2019. I think the community on the whole at the moment is much nicer and friendlier than back in 2013.

Infact, I remember seeing FSE posts in 2013/2014 of people leaving saying the community got cancer. The problem is FSE should have further developed the game. Life cycle is critical to any product. Adding the Rhine, for example, is a typical mistake. Adding a re-skin of France/Prussia over a new faction such as Ottoman Empire is mind-boggling. There could have been a range of new countries added; from Spain to Portugal to the USA. Personally I think the Ottomon Empire, simply due to the large amount of Turks playing atm.

You're right on the hybrid problem. Regiments seem to want to be the largest and often over-extend. The 59th regiment has never had merges or ever allowed a none-59th member to walk into the 59th. The merit of community matters and many regiments fall in that regard. From 2015-2018 we were the largest and most competitive big regiment in NW and there weren't many rivalries. 77y dropped off, 63e lost all companies. Only the 59th, 33rd and what remained of the K-KA could field three competitive companies in an event.

The 59th spent a year in Holdfast, and has walked back into NW as one of the biggest and competitive regiments in NW. It does take community and the 63e not returning from Holdfast speaks volume about NW atm.

Alas.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Cameron. on April 17, 2019, 06:03:13 pm
Good to see a debate
I agree w the new factions that should have been implemented years and years ago as well Kaide
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Earth Bby on April 18, 2019, 02:40:37 am
Good to see a debate
I agree w the new factions that should have been implemented years and years ago as well Kaide

New factions wouldn't of added anything. I think if the laigle mod got the same treatment as mount and musket > Nap Wars had we'd all be laughing (means we'd all be happy)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Dredd on April 18, 2019, 10:37:10 am
Yeah players are just bored of the game, there's more interesting shit to play. A short term solution to this is to implement out of the ordinary mod events such as Bearforce or Full Invasion. Well the game is like 8-9 years old now so a lot of people would have literally moved on with their lives by now. I remember back in 2012 I used to play with a guy, who was at the time in his mid twenties, who is now in his mid thirties with a wife and like 4 kids. Well that doesn't take into account of people who have kids and play xD, I play with a guy who is 45 and sometimes lets his son play.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Tardet on April 19, 2019, 06:08:57 pm

Mate, you made half a dozen regiments, with entirely different members and none survive today. It was leaders like yourself that tried to get their regiment to disband once the CO left. Great regiments like the 33rd, 63e, 59th, 15YR survived and thrived with their founding leader stepping down. Gaming and friendship communities regiments survive. The regiments you mentioned "91st/92nd/84e/14e/8Lr/etc" are all long gone. Regiments like the 33rd and 59th have been around for three times their life-span. I struggle to see why people like to see NW in 2013 as the golden years. I am probably the only leader, who managed a large regiment in 2013 and still plays in 2019. I think the community on the whole at the moment is much nicer and friendlier than back in 2013.

Infact, I remember seeing FSE posts in 2013/2014 of people leaving saying the community got cancer. The problem is FSE should have further developed the game. Life cycle is critical to any product. Adding the Rhine, for example, is a typical mistake. Adding a re-skin of France/Prussia over a new faction such as Ottoman Empire is mind-boggling. There could have been a range of new countries added; from Spain to Portugal to the USA. Personally I think the Ottomon Empire, simply due to the large amount of Turks playing atm.

You're right on the hybrid problem. Regiments seem to want to be the largest and often over-extend. The 59th regiment has never had merges or ever allowed a none-59th member to walk into the 59th. The merit of community matters and many regiments fall in that regard. From 2015-2018 we were the largest and most competitive big regiment in NW and there weren't many rivalries. 77y dropped off, 63e lost all companies. Only the 59th, 33rd and what remained of the K-KA could field three competitive companies in an event.

The 59th spent a year in Holdfast, and has walked back into NW as one of the biggest and competitive regiments in NW. It does take community and the 63e not returning from Holdfast speaks volume about NW atm.

Alas.

Just to be perfectly clear, I am not answering this to stir drama or anything of the sort but you have a very particular way of seeing your regiment Kaide and while a large part of what you say is true, I also feel you are completely misleading yourself on several other aspects. You can claim the 59th is the best NW community, has been and will ever be, that's completely fine by me. Saying you are also one of the regiments which was active back in the days and still is nowadays (in comparison to the aforementioned regiments) is still more than a fair point, despite the break /  temporary move to Holdfast.

However, I really fail to understand how you can believe that the 59th has ever been in contention for the title of the most competitive and largest regiment of NW. Obviously, it's not the term 'largest' being wrong here (even if I'd say it's pretty hard to prove over a time-lapse of 8 years), but the competitive one. The 59th has never achieved any relevant placing against the regiments you mentioned. While I am pretty sure there are several results you can be proud of against these top regiments, you have never been even close to them in term of competitiveness. You were never a rival of the 8Lr, 91st, 92nd, 14e, K-KA, 84e. You were actually far from being even close to playing in the same field.

I am not trying to take away what you accomplished with the 59th, only a fool would. I am genuinely (and I meant it), happy to see old faces such as yours playing NW again and I also strongly believe that regiments who lasted over time such as the 59th had much more of a positive influence over the community rather than regiment which were created on the basis of recruiting already experienced and skilled players to beat other top regiments, but failed to survive the longevity test.

But going around (because that's not the first time I see you doing this) and claiming you have been the most competitive 'big' regiment in NW from 2015-2018 is living in your little fantasy world.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ~NickCole~ on April 19, 2019, 06:46:06 pm
Tardet spitting them facts.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Earth Bby on April 19, 2019, 08:37:08 pm
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Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Cameron. on April 19, 2019, 11:11:51 pm
Nothing but the truth off his chest
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Dredd on April 20, 2019, 06:56:03 am
Fuckn hell
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on April 20, 2019, 10:49:07 am
This is the natural life cycle of games. The stronger the community, the longer the game lasts. Truth is is that this is a very niche concept, Mount and Blade, an already niche indie title, but WITH MUSKETS AND HISTORY! Most of the people who think that this stuff is cool has already found this game and played it and left already, most likely never to return. If people want this game to keep going, you have to get the teenagers. Maybe add in a battle royale game mode or loot crates with musket skins and uniforms or something.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Aztir on April 22, 2019, 12:21:15 pm


You're right on the hybrid problem. Regiments seem to want to be the largest and often over-extend. The 59th regiment has never had merges or ever allowed a none-59th member to walk into the 59th. The merit of community matters and many regiments fall in that regard. From 2015-2018 we were the largest and most competitive big regiment in NW and there weren't many rivalries. 77y dropped off, 63e lost all companies. Only the 59th, 33rd and what remained of the K-KA could field three competitive companies in an event.


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But in regards of the community as a whole,
its ofc going to go down in size over time, you cant force people to stick around and play an old game.
There will be newer and more appealing games coming out regularly for people to spend their time on.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: sirkaide on April 23, 2019, 12:18:09 pm

Mate, you made half a dozen regiments, with entirely different members and none survive today. It was leaders like yourself that tried to get their regiment to disband once the CO left. Great regiments like the 33rd, 63e, 59th, 15YR survived and thrived with their founding leader stepping down. Gaming and friendship communities regiments survive. The regiments you mentioned "91st/92nd/84e/14e/8Lr/etc" are all long gone. Regiments like the 33rd and 59th have been around for three times their life-span. I struggle to see why people like to see NW in 2013 as the golden years. I am probably the only leader, who managed a large regiment in 2013 and still plays in 2019. I think the community on the whole at the moment is much nicer and friendlier than back in 2013.

Infact, I remember seeing FSE posts in 2013/2014 of people leaving saying the community got cancer. The problem is FSE should have further developed the game. Life cycle is critical to any product. Adding the Rhine, for example, is a typical mistake. Adding a re-skin of France/Prussia over a new faction such as Ottoman Empire is mind-boggling. There could have been a range of new countries added; from Spain to Portugal to the USA. Personally I think the Ottomon Empire, simply due to the large amount of Turks playing atm.

You're right on the hybrid problem. Regiments seem to want to be the largest and often over-extend. The 59th regiment has never had merges or ever allowed a none-59th member to walk into the 59th. The merit of community matters and many regiments fall in that regard. From 2015-2018 we were the largest and most competitive big regiment in NW and there weren't many rivalries. 77y dropped off, 63e lost all companies. Only the 59th, 33rd and what remained of the K-KA could field three competitive companies in an event.

The 59th spent a year in Holdfast, and has walked back into NW as one of the biggest and competitive regiments in NW. It does take community and the 63e not returning from Holdfast speaks volume about NW atm.

Alas.

Just to be perfectly clear, I am not answering this to stir drama or anything of the sort but you have a very particular way of seeing your regiment Kaide and while a large part of what you say is true, I also feel you are completely misleading yourself on several other aspects. You can claim the 59th is the best NW community, has been and will ever be, that's completely fine by me. Saying you are also one of the regiments which was active back in the days and still is nowadays (in comparison to the aforementioned regiments) is still more than a fair point, despite the break /  temporary move to Holdfast.

However, I really fail to understand how you can believe that the 59th has ever been in contention for the title of the most competitive and largest regiment of NW. Obviously, it's not the term 'largest' being wrong here (even if I'd say it's pretty hard to prove over a time-lapse of 8 years), but the competitive one. The 59th has never achieved any relevant placing against the regiments you mentioned. While I am pretty sure there are several results you can be proud of against these top regiments, you have never been even close to them in term of competitiveness. You were never a rival of the 8Lr, 91st, 92nd, 14e, K-KA, 84e. You were actually far from being even close to playing in the same field.

I am not trying to take away what you accomplished with the 59th, only a fool would. I am genuinely (and I meant it), happy to see old faces such as yours playing NW again and I also strongly believe that regiments who lasted over time such as the 59th had much more of a positive influence over the community rather than regiment which were created on the basis of recruiting already experienced and skilled players to beat other top regiments, but failed to survive the longevity test.

But going around (because that's not the first time I see you doing this) and claiming you have been the most competitive 'big' regiment in NW from 2015-2018 is living in your little fantasy world.

You missed and grasped what I saying. Which is fine. I didn't expect any less from people who go on FSE. I said "most competitive 'big' regiment in NW from 2015-2018". That indeed is true. Only the KKA and the 33rd could field three companies and fight us. Our Cav and Light company were very good and competitive. Line isn't the only competitive element in NW. I remember in NWL the 91st and K-KA would often only bringing 20 people, meanwhile, the 59th would bring often bring 30-40. We didn't care about being the very best. We had a large population that wanted to play competitively.
When I say big regiments, I mean regiments that could field multiple companies and was bigger than 40+. I am happy to say that I fought all the great melee regiments and still leading the 59th from 2013 to 2019. I am in a unique position. Likely the only person, maybe John Price too.

You said here " 8Lr, 91st, 92nd, 14e, K-KA, 84e." They all died because their regiments couldn't attract people anymore. Them regiments failed, either because their leaders didn't want to continue (and forced them to disband) or they couldn't attract enough players. Them regiments you mention are all gone and have been for a long time. I have no idea why people see 2013-2014 as the glory years lmao. I lead the 59th from 2013-2019 and they were not the golden years.  Again I will say again the "59th has been the most competitive 'big' regiment in NW from 2015-2018". Our Line, Cav and Light company were amongst the best. The 59th was never the best line company but certainly up there having been in NWL League one and fought all them regiments. Only the 33rd, 77y, K-KA and the 59th. The 59th and 15YR coalition beat the 33rd/77y brigade in the NW brigade cup and we proved that the 59th with Line, Light and Cav (with 15YR) was unbeatable. 

In terms of line, it is quite clear, the 59th Line Company was never at the very top, however, we have been at the top tier. I'll post again, the 14e, 91st, and 91nd etc all failed to survive in NW and therefore for me don't deserve to be regarded as anything special. The greatest line company in NW for me between 2013-2019 is the 77y and the 15YR. Survived for years, entered all the competitions. 91st couldn't attract many people towards the end, I know I attended their events and was good friends with Deans, the Lt Col. There attendance dropped off like all the big regiments.

Its fine Tardet. Good people like yourself have never been able to understand NW outside of a 20v20 linebattle or group fight. You keep living in 2013/2014 and thinking that the 14e and 91st were the top dogs. They're gone now and we remain. For me the 77y, KK-KA, 59th, 33rd are on a different tier than the same old melee regiments that hover up the same old players. The 15YR never had three companies, but for me is the best line along with the 77y in longevity and skill. It is all opinions. I never said we were the best line, or the best cav, but collectively, we were unbeatable. 60-70 attendance, three companies, working together, glorious.

If you don't think the 59th is currently the biggest competitive regiment in NW atm, please find a regiment for us to 1v1, that can field 60 people or three companies, I challenge you to find a regiment that A) would accept. B) would win. The 33rd recently said NO. And the K-KA and 77y have dropped off sadly. If you cannot, I will continue saying the 59th is the largest and most competitive regiment in NW. Opinions matter, so lets make it factual, find us a large regiment to 1v1. Most regiments in the EIC only bring 13 people! So please don't misrepresent me. I know the skill of the old melee regiments and I dare not compare our melee to theirs man for man. Though like a horde of Zulus we would win. For me, the greatest ever regiment was the K-KA won both the NWL and the CNWL (Cav NWL).
 

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Considering you got an FSE account 2015. I have no idea how you can evaluate what is the truth and what is opinion.
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You're right on the hybrid problem. Regiments seem to want to be the largest and often over-extend. The 59th regiment has never had merges or ever allowed a none-59th member to walk into the 59th. The merit of community matters and many regiments fall in that regard. From 2015-2018 we were the largest and most competitive big regiment in NW and there weren't many rivalries. 77y dropped off, 63e lost all companies. Only the 59th, 33rd and what remained of the K-KA could field three competitive companies in an event.


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But in regards of the community as a whole,
its ofc going to go down in size over time, you cant force people to stick around and play an old game.
There will be newer and more appealing games coming out regularly for people to spend their time on.

All leaders have egos. Mine was considerably less than other leaders. I was happy the 59th continued without me after I stepped down. Unlike 90% of leaders. But believe me, my ego was nothing like Tavingtons or Malkiaths or Donalds. Even people like Karth, Spoons Primus and Obilex had giant egos.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Eamon on April 23, 2019, 12:56:12 pm
*snip*







Essay me fam
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: sirkaide on April 23, 2019, 01:00:15 pm
*snip*

Essay me fam

It is only a game mate. No need for personal insults. Judging someones physical appearance over an internet game?

Strange as well considering the 59th borrowed our server to help you (15YR) host your event last week. Seems you're the one with the slit personality.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Eamon on April 23, 2019, 01:03:02 pm
*snip*

Essay me fam

It is only a game mate. No need for personal insults. Judging someones physical appearance over a internet game? How classy. 

Strange as well considering the 59th borrowed our server to help you (15YR) host your event last week. Seems you're the one with the slit personality.

Alright Paddy
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: sirkaide on April 23, 2019, 01:07:32 pm
From day one I was under the impression Kaide was a big headed british nationalistic scumbag with no endearing social qualities to apparently anybody outside of the 59th. Bipolar ? Split personality ? Forehead fetish ?

Essay me fam

It is only a game mate. No need for personal insults. Judging someones physical appearance over a internet game? How classy. 

Strange as well considering the 59th borrowed our server to help you (15YR) host your event last week. Seems you're the one with the slit personality.

Alright Paddy

Clearly, you didn't know lol. Probs should be more polite to people who went out of their way to help your regiment last week?
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Eamon on April 23, 2019, 01:10:02 pm
*snip*

Essay me fam

It is only a game mate. No need for personal insults. Judging someones physical appearance over a internet game? How classy. 

Strange as well considering the 59th borrowed our server to help you (15YR) host your event last week. Seems you're the one with the slit personality.

Alright Paddy

Clearly, you didn't know lol. Probs should be more polite to people who went out of their way to help your regiment last week?

Lol
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: sirkaide on April 23, 2019, 01:11:38 pm
*snip*

Essay me fam

It is only a game mate. No need for personal insults. Judging someones physical appearance over a internet game? How classy. 

Strange as well considering the 59th borrowed our server to help you (15YR) host your event last week. Seems you're the one with the slit personality.

Alright Paddy

Clearly, you didn't know lol. Probs should be more polite to people who went out of their way to help your regiment last week?

Lol

Took me a good hour with poor internet signal on the train to try and get you a server. I went well out of my way to help you fellas. Obvs, you're not an officer so didn't know. Be a man and apologise.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Eamon on April 23, 2019, 01:12:55 pm
*snip*

Essay me fam

It is only a game mate. No need for personal insults. Judging someones physical appearance over a internet game? How classy. 

Strange as well considering the 59th borrowed our server to help you (15YR) host your event last week. Seems you're the one with the slit personality.

Alright Paddy

Clearly, you didn't know lol. Probs should be more polite to people who went out of their way to help your regiment last week?

Lol

Took me a good hour with poor internet signal on the train to try and get you a server. I went well out of my way to help you fellas.

Cheers
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Tardet on April 23, 2019, 01:32:52 pm
Will try to answer when I can, cheers for taking the time to answer my post in a respectful manner despite the clear disagreements or different opinions.

For all the morons who cannot take part in an argument/discussion without throwing ad-hominem insults, I encourage you to stick to the M-NWWC or M. Points. Your comments probably won't be met with more enthusiasm there, but at least will they fit the general atmosphere of said threads.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Piercee on April 23, 2019, 01:39:08 pm
just fyi, if irish insults you on your looks don't even take it serious lol

 ::)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Eamon on April 23, 2019, 01:39:53 pm
just fyi, if irish insults you on your looks don't even take it serious lol

 ::)

There's no trees here Icegem
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Kulouš on April 23, 2019, 01:59:28 pm
Ban s keying
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Piercee on April 23, 2019, 02:01:25 pm
just fyi, if irish insults you on your looks don't even take it serious lol

 ::)

There's no trees here Icegem

whats that between your legs
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Eamon on April 23, 2019, 02:01:56 pm
just fyi, if irish insults you on your looks don't even take it serious lol

 ::)

There's no trees here Icegem

whats that between your legs

Ghostbusters
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Golden. on April 23, 2019, 03:30:20 pm
Will try to answer when I can, cheers for taking the time to answer my post in a respectful manner despite the clear disagreements or different opinions.

For all the morons who cannot take part in an argument/discussion without throwing ad-hominem insults, I encourage you to stick to the M-NWWC or M. Points. Your comments probably won't be met with more enthusiasm there, but at least will they fit the general atmosphere of said threads.

M.points okay but M-NWWC  ??? Seems like some people have lost their sense of humour or are incapable of understanding sarcasm these days. I think there are very few people who care enough to genuinely argue and debate over such trivial things such as "the best regiment". In regards to whats killing the game idk maybe the fact its getting on 8 years old? Like others have said before.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Dredd on April 23, 2019, 03:42:43 pm
It's come full circle back to the egos


kaide chill, irish is just fuckn with ya
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: sirkaide on April 23, 2019, 04:43:16 pm
It's come full circle back to the egos


kaide chill, irish is just fuckn with ya

Nah mate. It was immature, edgy and personal comments. Insulting some based of their ethnic background, appearance and using terms like "scumbag" is pretty low. Someone I don't know directing them comments at me is hardly a bit of banter. Though anonymous people shit talking on the internet is hardly a new revelation. It simply adds nothing to the topic or conversation being discussed.

If you disagree feel free to share your own picture and let people make comments.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Tardet on April 23, 2019, 04:48:44 pm
Will try to answer when I can, cheers for taking the time to answer my post in a respectful manner despite the clear disagreements or different opinions.

For all the morons who cannot take part in an argument/discussion without throwing ad-hominem insults, I encourage you to stick to the M-NWWC or M. Points. Your comments probably won't be met with more enthusiasm there, but at least will they fit the general atmosphere of said threads.

M.points okay but M-NWWC  ??? Seems like some people have lost their sense of humour or are incapable of understanding sarcasm these days. I think there are very few people who care enough to genuinely argue and debate over such trivial things such as "the best regiment". In regards to whats killing the game idk maybe the fact its getting on 8 years old? Like others have said before.

The few times I checked the M-NWWC board, it was filled-up by rather idiotic and off-topic comments, by many of whom I usually see posting on the M. Point thread. I must admit, however, that I didn't check it all that often since several threads have been added, so maybe it wasn't a really fitting example.

As for the 'people have lost their sense of humour', I didn't find anything funny in what Irish said, but what's funny for me is probably not the same for you or him. My comment was also not directed at him necessarily but was more of a general statement to avoid any more shitposting. I caught something in what Kaide said which looked rather wrong to me, I addressed him about it and he answered me.

I also think you are completely lying to yourself if you think this is not the kind of discussion/argument/drama this community strives for. Just judging by the number of comments I got on steam from people being utterly pissed by Kaide's post, I can assure you its not just a 'few' people. But it's not what I was looking for when I started posting here, and for that reason, I will take it to PMs to avoid derailing this thread any further.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: sirkaide on April 23, 2019, 05:01:51 pm
Will try to answer when I can, cheers for taking the time to answer my post in a respectful manner despite the clear disagreements or different opinions.

For all the morons who cannot take part in an argument/discussion without throwing ad-hominem insults, I encourage you to stick to the M-NWWC or M. Points. Your comments probably won't be met with more enthusiasm there, but at least will they fit the general atmosphere of said threads.

M.points okay but M-NWWC  ??? Seems like some people have lost their sense of humour or are incapable of understanding sarcasm these days. I think there are very few people who care enough to genuinely argue and debate over such trivial things such as "the best regiment". In regards to whats killing the game idk maybe the fact its getting on 8 years old? Like others have said before.

The few times I checked the M-NWWC board, it was filled-up by rather idiotic and off-topic comments, by many of whom I usually see posting on the M. Point thread. I must admit, however, that I didn't check it all that often since several threads have been added, so maybe it wasn't a really fitting example.

As for the 'people have lost their sense of humour', I didn't find anything funny in what Irish said, but what's funny for me is probably not the same for you or him. My comment was also not directed at him necessarily but was more of a general statement to avoid any more shitposting. I caught something in what Kaide said which looked rather wrong to me, I addressed him about it and he answered me.

I also think you are completely lying to yourself if you think this is not the kind of discussion/argument/drama this community strives for. Just judging by the number of comments I got on steam from people being utterly pissed by Kaide's post, I can assure you its not just a 'few' people. But it's not what I was looking for when I started posting here, and for that reason, I will take it to PMs to avoid derailing this thread any further.

The voice of reason.

Thank you for calling out shitposting and avoiding the thread turning into a drama fest. This thread was simply about why the game's community is decreasing and it progressed into different topics but still associated with why the game is decreasing. Secondly, I am genuinely surprised people were pissed. This thread wasn't very active till I lobbed a fat post down.  Though I can explain my points and do actually offer a good insight into NW. My post originally wasn't about me sucking the 59th cock, but rather me offering my own view of the community over the past years. Unlike everyone else, I've only ever been in two regiments, and spent 6 years leading one regiment. So naturally, my outlook will be shaped by that. I was trying to draw attention to the fact that A) NW regiments put less focus on community and community regiments survive. B) The 59th walked back into NW, from holdfast, and now the game really has decreased in a number of ways. With only the 33rd, remaining at full strength, so GG there. And the 63e staying in Holdfast raises questions that we should all look at.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Earth Bby on April 23, 2019, 06:12:36 pm
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> Last two pages

Nap wars in a nutshell
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Golden. on April 23, 2019, 06:19:28 pm
Will try to answer when I can, cheers for taking the time to answer my post in a respectful manner despite the clear disagreements or different opinions.

For all the morons who cannot take part in an argument/discussion without throwing ad-hominem insults, I encourage you to stick to the M-NWWC or M. Points. Your comments probably won't be met with more enthusiasm there, but at least will they fit the general atmosphere of said threads.

M.points okay but M-NWWC  ??? Seems like some people have lost their sense of humour or are incapable of understanding sarcasm these days. I think there are very few people who care enough to genuinely argue and debate over such trivial things such as "the best regiment". In regards to whats killing the game idk maybe the fact its getting on 8 years old? Like others have said before.

The few times I checked the M-NWWC board, it was filled-up by rather idiotic and off-topic comments, by many of whom I usually see posting on the M. Point thread. I must admit, however, that I didn't check it all that often since several threads have been added, so maybe it wasn't a really fitting example.

As for the 'people have lost their sense of humour', I didn't find anything funny in what Irish said, but what's funny for me is probably not the same for you or him. My comment was also not directed at him necessarily but was more of a general statement to avoid any more shitposting. I caught something in what Kaide said which looked rather wrong to me, I addressed him about it and he answered me.

I also think you are completely lying to yourself if you think this is not the kind of discussion/argument/drama this community strives for. Just judging by the number of comments I got on steam from people being utterly pissed by Kaide's post, I can assure you its not just a 'few' people. But it's not what I was looking for when I started posting here, and for that reason, I will take it to PMs to avoid derailing this thread any further.

I wasn't referring to Irish's post it was reported and removed by Kaide before I could read it, I was referring to some of the posts on the M-NWWC thread as to being funny and joking around.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by the same people that post on the m. points thread. And for your information none of what I said was directed at you apart from the piece about the M-NWWC thread as that seemed like an attack since I had frequented both threads apologies if it wasn't. And I myself have written countless Ironic stupid remarks on both those threads. I'd like to take this moment to point out to the community that they are IRONIC. I guess it's just a bad sense of humor to have these days  :-\
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Eamon on April 23, 2019, 07:07:55 pm
Nobody reads the fine print
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Eamon on April 26, 2019, 10:45:23 am
To be fair, I was messing and don't give a shit to prove whether or which, but the reason I'm fucking with you is because on FSE your all innocent and higher ground and respect and in a teamspeak at least to me your condescending and somebody I have no time for other than to fuck with you on posts where your bullshitting the rest of the community. It's ironic that you shout oh he's insulting my ethnicity, while the only things you have ever said to me personally is alright paddy or comment on my nationality in a tone of voice you would hear from the traditional arsehole in a school playground.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Tommmy on April 30, 2019, 08:49:20 am
The game itself isn’t very good let’s be honest no one would willingly play it for 6+ hours solo unless they were trying to become good. The only reason it survives is the regiments and the organised event around it as they fragment and dwindle in numbers for one reason or another they main life source of the game slowly stagnates.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Rikkert on April 30, 2019, 04:25:02 pm
All I can say is: #BringBackGreasyLocks
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Eamon on April 30, 2019, 04:30:54 pm
All I can say is: #BringBackGreasyLocks

Rommel / Salakien has a name
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Rikkert on April 30, 2019, 06:36:26 pm
All I can say is: #BringBackGreasyLocks

Rommel / Salakien has a name
Im not talking about either of them  >:(
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Syncmaster667 on April 30, 2019, 07:36:54 pm
The hero we don't deserve
(https://i.gyazo.com/fc085f46aa98a239c83844f49365f70e.jpg)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Nero_ on April 30, 2019, 08:06:23 pm
chad lookin fine as fuck
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Fungus on April 30, 2019, 11:10:50 pm
those locks of greasy hair

he had it coming tbh
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Earth Bby on April 30, 2019, 11:40:54 pm
without him we'd have half a community tbh and without him we are half a community. </3

(https://www.pngkit.com/png/detail/32-322339_sad-pepe-transparent-png-pepe-sad.png)


Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Cameron. on May 05, 2019, 01:35:53 am
That’s pritty gey dood
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Earth Bby on May 05, 2019, 03:50:28 pm
That’s pritty gey dood

Shit posting isn't gey
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Tommmy on May 13, 2019, 08:41:45 am
Fuck malakith skadi, he was the one that got me into this shitty fucking game
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Chadman on August 12, 2019, 10:51:57 am
imo, Boredom. The game has been out for some time. Ppl like variety and new things. And keeping hold of the interest is tough with a game as old as this

Even views are down generally for NW and M&B content on YT.

Just my $0.02
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: sirkaide on August 12, 2019, 12:43:39 pm
imo, Boredom. The game has been out for some time. Ppl like variety and new things. And keeping hold of the interest is tough with a game as old as this

Even views are down generally for NW and M&B content on YT.

Just my $0.02

We in the 59th have always valued your time and effort in recording MB events :)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Rikkert on August 12, 2019, 06:33:07 pm
People constantly reforming and disbanding regiments. Every time they do this a couple old players stop playing. Last summer there were 3 other competitive regiments that would fight 15th. Now there is one.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: sirkaide on August 12, 2019, 06:34:52 pm
People constantly reforming and disbanding regiments. Every time they do this a couple old players stop playing. Last summer there were 3 other competitive regiments that would fight 15th. Now there is one.

We still fight! Can have one tonight if you like. By yeah your board points are correct.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Chadman on August 14, 2019, 11:36:27 am
imo, Boredom. The game has been out for some time. Ppl like variety and new things. And keeping hold of the interest is tough with a game as old as this

Even views are down generally for NW and M&B content on YT.

Just my $0.02

We in the 59th have always valued your time and effort in recording MB events :)

Thank you, I appreciate it.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Keverclin159 on September 26, 2020, 07:17:35 am
People constantly reforming and disbanding regiments. Every time they do this a couple old players stop playing. Last summer there were 3 other competitive regiments that would fight 15th. Now there is one.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Nero_ on September 26, 2020, 03:52:44 pm
Sounds like 15ths killing the game. Typical Joel move
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Gi on September 26, 2020, 04:09:36 pm
Sounds like 15ths killing the game. Typical Joel move
Go back to roleplaying as a stripper on GTA buddy
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: DayBoul on October 05, 2020, 12:57:34 am
People constantly reforming and disbanding regiments. Every time they do this a couple old players stop playing. Last summer there were 3 other competitive regiments that would fight 15th. Now there is one.
actually everytime they do a couple old players start playing the game again so no. what you mentionned is just a corollary of kids growing older, therefore having increasingly less free time, and increasingly less players picking up this old fart of a game which is completely normal and to be expected
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Skaenn on October 05, 2020, 11:08:24 am
The reason this game is dying is that the game is old. The only reason that the game survives is because of regiments that keep playing organized events. There are still plenty of public servers that are being played on, but only 4 of them get filled sometimes. Talking about Minisiege, Tropical Paradise, BBG, and Groupfighting. Also, a thing I think that makes people stop playing the game is because of the toxicity in the chat in-game. Yes, it is the internet, you can expect this. I did this too in the past. And I admit it was wrong. NW is the only game where I have seen so much toxicity in the chat, and on Tropical Paradise it is apparently accepted that there is a lot of shit-talking. I know that there are some people that are gonna troll on this comment, but if you are a decent human being with enough brain cells you should know it's stupid to let go of your anger and mental issues on other people through a videogame. Take this to a therapist or whatever. I mean take the situation with Wursti, I wasn't there but I already know from a few threads that he was toxic to a lot of people and there was again a shitty situation that could have been easily avoided. After reading those threads and posts I'm glad I didn't go to the event.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Janne on October 05, 2020, 11:14:31 am
ah yes nw the only game where people are mean to each other
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Skaenn on October 05, 2020, 11:15:54 am
ah yes nw the only game where people are mean to each other
NW is the only game where I have seen so much toxicity in the chat

Learn to read and comprehend.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Janne on October 05, 2020, 11:18:17 am
then you must not play other games
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Herishey on October 05, 2020, 11:19:33 am
ah yes nw the only game where people are mean to each other
NW is the only game where I have seen so much toxicity in the chat

Learn to read and comprehend.
This game has nothing on CS, Dota, League, CoD, BF, Rainbow Six or Fifa tbh, and that's just the ones that game to my head in a few seconds.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Rikkert on October 05, 2020, 11:27:07 am
I see you've never solo queued to global
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Aless on October 05, 2020, 11:39:16 am
Spoiler
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(https://i.imgur.com/Dqdgk48.png)
[close]
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ~Midnight~ on October 05, 2020, 05:35:00 pm
I'm just tired of seeing edgy teenagers use the n word every 2 seconds in events tbh
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Rutger Müller on October 06, 2020, 09:10:35 pm
I'm just tired of seeing edgy teenagers use the n word every 2 seconds in events tbh
NAGGER?
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ~Midnight~ on October 06, 2020, 09:12:50 pm
I'm just tired of seeing edgy teenagers use the n word every 2 seconds in events tbh
NAGGER?

yes
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Clikenforce on October 13, 2020, 01:28:32 pm
The current ultra passive skeying meta is what's driving the game in the dirt imo
If you only blame toxicity for the game's questionnable "dying", do u even csgo ?

Everybody plays warband for its gameplay. If you remove that (i.e by skeying constantly and just preying on everybody else's offense making offensive players who aren't on rikkert's or python's level a burden) then the game will eventually die completely because it will virtualy become a patience game where we watch each other do nothing til someone makes a mistake.


Edit; just want to point out this is my personnal pov as a semi-casual player - I could be wrong and I don't aim to criticise players who do well in this setting
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Janne on October 13, 2020, 01:32:48 pm
patience is a skill bro

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/ZGgbJNh.png)
[close]
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: nIvan on October 13, 2020, 01:50:21 pm
The current ultra passive skeying meta is what's driving the game in the dirt imo
If you only blame toxicity for the game's questionnable "dying", do u even csgo ?

Everybody plays warband for its gameplay. If you remove that (i.e by skeying constantly and just preying on everybody else's offense making offensive players who aren't on rikkert's or python's level a burden) then the game will eventually die completely because it will virtualy become a patience game where we watch each other do nothing til someone makes a mistake.


Edit; just want to point out this is my personnal pov as a semi-casual player - I could be wrong and I don't aim to criticise players who do well in this setting
rikkert went 0-14 in pickups last night against two 55th privates
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Rikkert on October 13, 2020, 01:54:51 pm
The current ultra passive skeying meta is what's driving the game in the dirt imo
If you only blame toxicity for the game's questionnable "dying", do u even csgo ?

Everybody plays warband for its gameplay. If you remove that (i.e by skeying constantly and just preying on everybody else's offense making offensive players who aren't on rikkert's or python's level a burden) then the game will eventually die completely because it will virtualy become a patience game where we watch each other do nothing til someone makes a mistake.


Edit; just want to point out this is my personnal pov as a semi-casual player - I could be wrong and I don't aim to criticise players who do well in this setting
rikkert went 0-14 in pickups last night against two 55th privates
2-15 actually retard, get ur facts straight
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ~NickCole~ on October 13, 2020, 06:23:57 pm
The current ultra passive skeying meta is what's driving the game in the dirt imo
If you only blame toxicity for the game's questionnable "dying", do u even csgo ?

Everybody plays warband for its gameplay. If you remove that (i.e by skeying constantly and just preying on everybody else's offense making offensive players who aren't on rikkert's or python's level a burden) then the game will eventually die completely because it will virtualy become a patience game where we watch each other do nothing til someone makes a mistake.


Edit; just want to point out this is my personnal pov as a semi-casual player - I could be wrong and I don't aim to criticise players who do well in this setting
Well if you don’t like s keying players just come to NA then. People tend to spam and be a lot more aggressive then EU players.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Kore on October 13, 2020, 06:26:06 pm
The current ultra passive skeying meta is what's driving the game in the dirt imo
If you only blame toxicity for the game's questionnable "dying", do u even csgo ?

Everybody plays warband for its gameplay. If you remove that (i.e by skeying constantly and just preying on everybody else's offense making offensive players who aren't on rikkert's or python's level a burden) then the game will eventually die completely because it will virtualy become a patience game where we watch each other do nothing til someone makes a mistake.


Edit; just want to point out this is my personnal pov as a semi-casual player - I could be wrong and I don't aim to criticise players who do well in this setting
Well if you don’t like s keying players just come to NA then. People tend to spam and be a lot more aggressive then EU players.

true i will just move right now is there a free bedroom in your farmhouse
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: PapaBean on October 13, 2020, 06:50:48 pm
You guys want a cure for the game? Talk to your youtuber friends that made the game so popular.  Convince them to come back and play/record.  No offense to Glenn or anyone in the NW community making NW videos but they arent bringing attention to the game that it once had.  The last time we had a large influx of people was when karth paid WarOwl to do some videos with the 63e.  That brought in several hundred new players to the game.  Are we likely to get anyone to stay for a long period of time? I dont know nor do I care.  The solution is honestly getting people to see the game/community.  Doing fun events where people go oh shit that looks better than holdfast.  We have creative guys in this community we just need a spotlight on that shit. 

Thats my two cents about it.  You can agree or disagree either way VetroG still blows corn on the cob out his ass. 
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Janne on October 13, 2020, 07:10:22 pm
alright lemme just quickly msg pewdiepie
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ~Midnight~ on October 13, 2020, 07:14:34 pm
alright lemme just quickly msg pewdiepie

everyone spam his business email! he can't ignore all of us!
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ~NickCole~ on October 13, 2020, 07:35:38 pm
The current ultra passive skeying meta is what's driving the game in the dirt imo
If you only blame toxicity for the game's questionnable "dying", do u even csgo ?

Everybody plays warband for its gameplay. If you remove that (i.e by skeying constantly and just preying on everybody else's offense making offensive players who aren't on rikkert's or python's level a burden) then the game will eventually die completely because it will virtualy become a patience game where we watch each other do nothing til someone makes a mistake.


Edit; just want to point out this is my personnal pov as a semi-casual player - I could be wrong and I don't aim to criticise players who do well in this setting
Well if you don’t like s keying players just come to NA then. People tend to spam and be a lot more aggressive then EU players.

true i will just move right now is there a free bedroom in your farmhouse
Yes you can sleep to my sheep Dolly.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Kore on October 13, 2020, 07:40:37 pm
The current ultra passive skeying meta is what's driving the game in the dirt imo
If you only blame toxicity for the game's questionnable "dying", do u even csgo ?

Everybody plays warband for its gameplay. If you remove that (i.e by skeying constantly and just preying on everybody else's offense making offensive players who aren't on rikkert's or python's level a burden) then the game will eventually die completely because it will virtualy become a patience game where we watch each other do nothing til someone makes a mistake.


Edit; just want to point out this is my personnal pov as a semi-casual player - I could be wrong and I don't aim to criticise players who do well in this setting
Well if you don’t like s keying players just come to NA then. People tend to spam and be a lot more aggressive then EU players.

true i will just move right now is there a free bedroom in your farmhouse
Yes you can sleep to my sheep Dolly.

hmm a doll  :o
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Blitzkrieg. on October 14, 2020, 11:42:40 pm
The current ultra passive skeying meta is what's driving the game in the dirt imo
If you only blame toxicity for the game's questionnable "dying", do u even csgo ?

Everybody plays warband for its gameplay. If you remove that (i.e by skeying constantly and just preying on everybody else's offense making offensive players who aren't on rikkert's or python's level a burden) then the game will eventually die completely because it will virtualy become a patience game where we watch each other do nothing til someone makes a mistake.


Edit; just want to point out this is my personnal pov as a semi-casual player - I could be wrong and I don't aim to criticise players who do well in this setting
rikkert went 0-14 in pickups last night against two 55th privates
We teach em well ;)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Kristine on October 16, 2020, 02:12:25 am
You can agree or disagree either way VetroG still blows corn on the cob out his ass.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Golden. on October 17, 2020, 02:25:10 pm
patience is a skill bro

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/ZGgbJNh.png)
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Any list that rates patience is automatically fucking retarded  :)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: nIvan on October 17, 2020, 02:48:41 pm
patience is a skill bro

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/ZGgbJNh.png)
[close]

Any list that rates patience is automatically fucking retarded  :)
patience = recognizing that you aren't good enough to release a stab or enter the enemy's range
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Golden. on October 17, 2020, 03:33:03 pm
patience is a skill bro

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/ZGgbJNh.png)
[close]

Any list that rates patience is automatically fucking retarded  :)
patience = recognizing that you aren't good enough to release a stab or enter the enemy's range

dont believe it
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: maskmanmarks on October 17, 2020, 04:13:02 pm
The current ultra passive skeying meta is what's driving the game in the dirt imo
If you only blame toxicity for the game's questionnable "dying", do u even csgo ?

Everybody plays warband for its gameplay. If you remove that (i.e by skeying constantly and just preying on everybody else's offense making offensive players who aren't on rikkert's or python's level a burden) then the game will eventually die completely because it will virtualy become a patience game where we watch each other do nothing til someone makes a mistake.


Edit; just want to point out this is my personnal pov as a semi-casual player - I could be wrong and I don't aim to criticise players who do well in this setting

Yes the Current meta is driving many players away from the competitive scene with not many newer players entering the scene and preforming at a good level to really stay and keep interested.

However the more pressing matter I see is the lack of regimental motivation both at the top and throughout the regiments, namely due to the novelty of the current events. There's a lack of new big interesting events that isn't filled with 5-10 man troll lines which can be annoying especially if you're in a larger regiment with a 30+ man Line every event. Casual Events such as 33d Historical Event, the 92nd 4v4 Monday LB and the 33rd Monthly Double Ranks Thursday Event are the only really fun and interesting events around nowadays in my opinion mainly due to their packed servers as well as their novelty with fun different scenarios every other week that these larger regiments can reenact. With the slightly more competetitive NWBC over (at least in the 45thN's Case) many regiments have nothing really to strive to (other than attendance) outside of these regimental tournaments (MRGL) which only allow a limited roster and is also invitational which the vast majority of very mid tier regiments won't be able to participate in.

I am just highlighting the problems I am seeing in the regimental community as a whole, not to say regiments cant grow (as best seen by 45thN/55th) but with a lack of interesting different events and nothing up and coming to build for (NWBC as an example) it'll be hard for many casual regiments to keep being motivated. Motivation and Involvement being key.

However the community has been like this for the past several years, admittedly becoming better due to corona but once again at least for now NW remains stagnant and if we dont move and just statue - we die. Its a shame the same dosent apply in group fights. #Statue
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Poney on October 18, 2020, 12:13:10 pm
NW2 right around the corner dw
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Fralla8 on October 18, 2020, 12:20:27 pm
patience is a skill bro

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/ZGgbJNh.png)
[close]

Any list that rates patience is automatically fucking retarded  :)
patience = recognizing that you aren't good enough to release a stab or enter the enemy's range

Anyways I believe the only way for the game to get a lot of new players (and have them stay) is with a new updated/upgraded version of the game.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Snowwi on October 18, 2020, 05:06:46 pm
alright lemme just quickly msg pewdiepie

everyone spam his business email! he can't ignore all of us!
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Herishey on October 18, 2020, 05:12:41 pm
patience is a skill bro

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/ZGgbJNh.png)
[close]

Any list that rates patience is automatically fucking retarded  :)
patience = recognizing that you aren't good enough to release a stab or enter the enemy's range

Anyways I believe the only way for the game to get a lot of new players (and have them stay) is with a new updated/upgraded version of the game.
Tbh even something basic like adding another faction in brings new people in/players back. Add something like that in plus same basic extra in game server tools and you'd see an influx.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Phailur on October 19, 2020, 03:42:52 pm
Spoiler
patience is a skill bro

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/ZGgbJNh.png)
[close]

Any list that rates patience is automatically fucking retarded  :)
patience = recognizing that you aren't good enough to release a stab or enter the enemy's range

Anyways I believe the only way for the game to get a lot of new players (and have them stay) is with a new updated/upgraded version of the game.
Tbh even something basic like adding another faction in brings new people in/players back. Add something like that in plus same basic extra in game server tools and you'd see an influx.
[close]
and then they leave soon after again, why bother?
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Herishey on October 19, 2020, 04:42:58 pm
Spoiler
patience is a skill bro

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/ZGgbJNh.png)
[close]

Any list that rates patience is automatically fucking retarded  :)
patience = recognizing that you aren't good enough to release a stab or enter the enemy's range

Anyways I believe the only way for the game to get a lot of new players (and have them stay) is with a new updated/upgraded version of the game.
Tbh even something basic like adding another faction in brings new people in/players back. Add something like that in plus same basic extra in game server tools and you'd see an influx.
[close]
and then they leave soon after again, why bother?
They don't all leave some stay, and anymore staying is more than what we already have.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Wursti on October 19, 2020, 04:57:47 pm
There are many factions that would be nice to have but we also know that there wont be any updates init

I once even made a docs when I was bored with nations you could add and their respective units xd

If adding these nations would be historical 100% accurate is another topic but who cares really
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Windflower on October 19, 2020, 05:15:20 pm
just let devs work on BCoF they already added a new faction to the game not too long ago along with their final bug fix
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Golden. on November 02, 2020, 05:49:32 pm
Did anyone notice that player count halved during Covid?

Before covid it was at an average of 11k, then March 20k and now only 5-6k players? (concurrent players)

Rip M&B player base. It spiked in March up to very high player base then just dropped?

Bannerlord is the only reason, so the answer to your question is bannerlord lol

Source Steam DB
(https://i.gyazo.com/9df05edb3aa6421090755dffae3e4505.png)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Twinkiee on November 02, 2020, 06:44:02 pm
Did anyone notice that player count halved during Covid?

Before covid it was at an average of 11k, then March 20k and now only 5-6k players? (concurrent players)

Rip M&B player base. It spiked in March up to very high player base then just dropped?

Bannerlord is the only reason, so the answer to your question is bannerlord lol

Source Steam DB
(https://i.gyazo.com/9df05edb3aa6421090755dffae3e4505.png)
Its not only Covid. I think that the Bannerlord launch in March also affected the attendance
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Golden. on November 02, 2020, 07:21:55 pm
That's what I meant bannerlord
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Cameron. on December 06, 2020, 12:04:04 am
Did anyone notice that player count halved during Covid?

Before covid it was at an average of 11k, then March 20k and now only 5-6k players? (concurrent players)

Rip M&B player base. It spiked in March up to very high player base then just dropped?

Bannerlord is the only reason, so the answer to your question is bannerlord lol

Source Steam DB
(https://i.gyazo.com/9df05edb3aa6421090755dffae3e4505.png)
id argue a lot of mb people started uni in the last 3 years too
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: [2ndHess] lukasoh on December 06, 2020, 02:09:57 pm
But Bannerlord MP isnt that active. So the SP players from Warband just went on to Bannerlord SP. So in the end that doesnt affect the MP playerbase of NW or Native.

Im not up to date about the situation in both games, but that how it seems to me.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Skaenn on December 06, 2020, 08:22:43 pm
Lot's of good singleplayer mods are coming to Bannerlord as well. I think the singleplayer will attract most people that have never played the M&B franchise before. All these succesful mods like ACOK, 1257 AD, Perisno, etc... Imagine if they bring it to Bannerlord. And now they are speaking of a Kingdoms of Arda (LOTR) mod. I think the Sword and Musket mod will attract a lot of people to the Multiplayer scene as with the upgraded graphics I can imagine linebattles will look amazing. Just the melee will never be the same again.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: No0B on December 08, 2020, 03:25:01 am
But Bannerlord MP isnt that active. So the SP players from Warband just went on to Bannerlord SP. So in the end that doesnt affect the MP playerbase of NW or Native.

Im not up to date about the situation in both games, but that how it seems to me.
I have been on the SP platforms such as reddit, the reddit discord and whatnot and I probably redirected around 20ish people to proper NW communities I think we can get more players still to atleast equally the amount of players leaving by just putting some more love into the game :)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Blitzkrieg. on December 11, 2020, 12:26:00 am
Dunno if it’s been brought up but I think there is a lack of help in the community for new and upcoming regiments. Like it’s really hard to get noticed. It should be easier for your regiments name to get around the community I feel
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Rikkert on December 11, 2020, 12:58:21 am
What kind of help would a new reg even need though? Nobody can magically pull more active members out of their hat.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: maskmanmarks on December 11, 2020, 02:40:38 am
What kind of help would a new reg even need though? Nobody can magically pull more active members out of their hat.

The uphill struggle is just getting steeper and steeper. Its easier to make a name out of yourself both skill wise and leadership wise if you just join one of the larger regiments at this point purely cos its getting increasingly difficult to actually recruit members if you start off a regiment with a small name. Especially cos the cooler more innovative events that are on offer are few and far between often requiring regiments to be well known and bigger (i.e 20+ for line regiments)

If you start off a fresh regiment that is specialist based it'd be even harder - the majority of top tier events have HUGE waiting lists for these types of units and there aren't even enough Linebattles going round (roughly 2 full events for weekdays and maybe 3 on weekends) to accommodate your specialist regiment, it'll be impossible to grabfor these specialists slots when you're competing against large regiments that'll bring a line too to secure that slot. As a small new line regiment you'd just get stuck in the same old boring events with heaps of specialist units just using and abusing you - something that we've all played repetitively for too many years, with a small of intake of recruits you could get on a good day (and even smaller retention rate - especially now) stagnation and repetitiveness is a recipe for disaster.

Kinda sad because theres no decent mid-low tier EU regiment that is positioning itself to be the dark horse of NW for 2021 that could both really introduce more players and get the purely casual players much more involved, but I guess if there is a demand something will always spring up, question is - is there even enough demand anymore?
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Rikkert on December 11, 2020, 10:48:31 am
Yes, so how would anyone from the community be able to 'help out' a new regiment with that. The game is old and there's barely any new players coming in. Everyone knows the problems you described. But no one can 'help out new regiments' because there is no feasible way to do so. No one can magically make new recruits/new players appear, none can magically teach you how to lead, none can magically give new regiments slots to their events when there is already a 10 regiment long waiting list. These are issues that have existed for years, some of the things you pointed out have even always been this way, and they will only get more difficult the older this game gets. My point is that no one from the community would be able to help newer regiments resolve those issues. That's why I asked what kind of help he even expects someone will be able to give him. Because in my opinion there is no help that anyone could give that would resolve those issues.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ~NickCole~ on December 11, 2020, 11:02:55 am
To add to Rikkert’s point recruiting is legit a pain in the ass because majority of the pubs never want to even try a single regiment for whatever reason. Experience competitive guys ain’t gonna join some rando who decides to make a brand new regiment from scratch. The best way to make a new regiment nowadays is to already have some people willing to join or else it won’t be possible. I’m not sure why anyone would want to make a new reg from scratch in the first place considering how old the game is and how hard recruiting is. The only way good players would join a low tier regiment is if some well known person does. Besides that GL starting a new regiment or making it better extremely quick.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Cameron. on December 11, 2020, 12:26:59 pm
first ogj are a new reg w new leadership but are casual

think we all need to accept game is dead and nothing we can do, its been 8 years and counting for me so pretty much done w it
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: maskmanmarks on December 11, 2020, 01:18:14 pm
first ogj are a new reg w new leadership but are casual

think we all need to accept game is dead and nothing we can do, its been 8 years and counting for me so pretty much done w it

1stOGJ gives me autism, if that is the standard of new NW regiment lord help us
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Cameron. on December 11, 2020, 01:37:04 pm
first ogj are a new reg w new leadership but are casual

think we all need to accept game is dead and nothing we can do, its been 8 years and counting for me so pretty much done w it

1stOGJ gives me autism, if that is the standard of new NW regiment lord help us
i don't see any other new regs from scratch in the last few months or that are going to be created in the. next few
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Ry@n on December 11, 2020, 03:07:58 pm
The comp scene in EU right now is pretty much 15th and 45thN then a small step down to 92nd/96y/27th then unfortunatly regiments like Ive, 55th and 2Lr which although are not bad regiments, cannot compete atm in a groupfights.... 

There's a few casual regiments which could do comp and are big enough if they wanted to but clearly just arent that interested... like 16th, 65y and more.... who can easily pull enough players who have been playing the game for a long time now...

and a special mention to 33rd who are competitive but since i have done about 1 gf with them in the last year idk how comp they are these days.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Rikkert on December 11, 2020, 03:57:43 pm
The comp scene in EU right now is pretty much 15th and 45thN then a small step down to 92nd/96y/27th then unfortunatly regiments like Ive, 55th and 2Lr which although are not bad regiments, cannot compete atm in a groupfights.... 

There's a few casual regiments which could do comp and are big enough if they wanted to but clearly just arent that interested... like 16th, 65y and more.... who can easily pull enough players who have been playing the game for a long time now...

and a special mention to 33rd who are competitive but since i have done about 1 gf with them in the last year idk how comp they are these days.
pppppsssssssssssssssssssssssssssst, It's been like 2-3 regiments max competing for nearly 3 years. We got spoiled during the first corona wave, but even then it was 3 regiments at most that were close in skill level at the top. Before that it was exactly the same as the situation you just described but with 15th and K-KA and a random reg every now and then that would disband within 6 months.

Edit: Tbf you can go back in time even further and see that in the RGL season of 2017 it was exactly the same. 66th and 85e at the top -> massive skill gap -> 77y and K-KA.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Kore on December 11, 2020, 04:37:01 pm
We should disband all regiments and make one huge regiment
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Ry@n on December 11, 2020, 05:12:43 pm
The comp scene in EU right now is pretty much 15th and 45thN then a small step down to 92nd/96y/27th then unfortunatly regiments like Ive, 55th and 2Lr which although are not bad regiments, cannot compete atm in a groupfights.... 

There's a few casual regiments which could do comp and are big enough if they wanted to but clearly just arent that interested... like 16th, 65y and more.... who can easily pull enough players who have been playing the game for a long time now...

and a special mention to 33rd who are competitive but since i have done about 1 gf with them in the last year idk how comp they are these days.
pppppsssssssssssssssssssssssssssst, It's been like 2-3 regiments max competing for nearly 3 years. We got spoiled during the first corona wave, but even then it was 3 regiments at most that were close in skill level at the top. Before that it was exactly the same as the situation you just described but with 15th and K-KA and a random reg every now and then that would disband within 6 months.

Edit: Tbf you can go back in time even further and see that in the RGL season of 2017 it was exactly the same. 66th and 85e at the top -> massive skill gap -> 77y and K-KA.
yes siree
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Cameron. on December 11, 2020, 05:19:52 pm
We should disband all regiments and make one huge regiment
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Blitzkrieg. on December 23, 2020, 11:30:08 am
What kind of help would a new reg even need though? Nobody can magically pull more active members out of their hat.

The uphill struggle is just getting steeper and steeper. Its easier to make a name out of yourself both skill wise and leadership wise if you just join one of the larger regiments at this point purely cos its getting increasingly difficult to actually recruit members if you start off a regiment with a small name. Especially cos the cooler more innovative events that are on offer are few and far between often requiring regiments to be well known and bigger (i.e 20+ for line regiments)

If you start off a fresh regiment that is specialist based it'd be even harder - the majority of top tier events have HUGE waiting lists for these types of units and there aren't even enough Linebattles going round (roughly 2 full events for weekdays and maybe 3 on weekends) to accommodate your specialist regiment, it'll be impossible to grabfor these specialists slots when you're competing against large regiments that'll bring a line too to secure that slot. As a small new line regiment you'd just get stuck in the same old boring events with heaps of specialist units just using and abusing you - something that we've all played repetitively for too many years, with a small of intake of recruits you could get on a good day (and even smaller retention rate - especially now) stagnation and repetitiveness is a recipe for disaster.

Kinda sad because theres no decent mid-low tier EU regiment that is positioning itself to be the dark horse of NW for 2021 that could both really introduce more players and get the purely casual players much more involved, but I guess if there is a demand something will always spring up, question is - is there even enough demand anymore?

Just came back to this thread and read this response. All this said here is entirely true. At the moment most people are forced to join a already existing regiment to get anywhere in the community. A large amount of regiments which turn from casual to competitive fail and turn back to casual. Mainly because it is so difficult to compete with a lot of the competitive regiments currently around. I sometimes fear the EU side of NW is becoming so much like the NA side. All you see are the same players winning tournaments. the same regiments on top. No change, even tho change is needed for an interesting, competitive and fluid environment.

A lot of new regiments also find it hard, as maskman pointed, to find events to go too where they can play anything but line inf. Most of the time these new regiments might have 8 guys. Where as an already established regiment could have 20. This massive attendance difference promotes small regiments to disband in order to join a larger regiment. Just so they can compete with numbers.

Kinda sad because theres no decent mid-low tier EU regiment that is positioning itself to be the dark horse of NW for 2021 that could both really introduce more players and get the purely casual players much more involved, but I guess if there is a demand something will always spring up, question is - is there even enough demand anymore?

There are a small number of regiments that I’ve seen come very far from where they once where at the start of the year. 55th for example, 17pp and FKG just to name a few. But the fact is that such things are rare, and I know for a fact that regiments at lower tier are met with much resistance in the ways of logistics and scrutiny from the community. E.G. finding private servers to do 1v1’s or GF’s on or just general bad attitude that makes it unfunny to pay with. Many smaller regiments are also dependant on large casual events as they don’t have there own servers they can use. That’s something we could look into I guess.

Maybe someone rather influential in the community could look into setting up some sort of private competitive league where smaller and mid tier regiments fight it out. Hosting a server so they won’t have too. I guess more smaller regiments would apply for this as they wouldn’t be against the highest tier regiments and so would actually have a chance to win. This could also motivate improvement in leadership and skill in smaller regiments. This could also help bring an influx of casual players to the competitive side of the community, something I feel is greatly needed.

All in all I feel there is more we can do as a community, we just need someone with established contacts and experience to set up something like this. I’d be up for helping to run anything like what I’ve stated above.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Gringo on December 23, 2020, 12:06:23 pm
The community needs a regimental tournament without the 15thYR, 45thN, 92nd, 96y and 27th . These cancer regiments are killing the game.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Kore on December 23, 2020, 12:13:15 pm
The community needs a regimental tournament without the 15thYR, 45thN, 92nd, 96y and 27th . These cancer regiments are killing the game.

Host one then
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Snowwi on December 23, 2020, 02:02:35 pm
Crazy how this thread was started in 2014 and we're still here for some reason
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Blitzkrieg. on December 23, 2020, 02:25:45 pm
Crazy how this thread was started in 2014 and we're still here for some reason

It’s cause we’re like politicians. Talk more about the issue and how to solve it. Then actually solving it.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Rikkert on December 23, 2020, 02:28:33 pm
Running a regiment requires effort and commitment. If you are not willing to scour fse for specialist spots and recruit on minisiege, then your regiment will likely die if it is new. If you are not willing or able to make the investment for a server, your ability to find 1v1s or gfs will be severely hampered and your regiment might die if it is new. However, all of these things are not problems that people from other regiments are going to be able to help new regiments out with, it all comes down to the regiment itself. These are essentially the barriers to entry to this game for new regiments, they are not easy to overcome and will continue to get more challenging the older the game gets. These are issues that the regiment has to overcome themselves. Noone is going to put in the time, effort or money for you. It's as simple as that.

In terms of your tournament idea. You have to understand that those lower to mid tier regiments don't use fse. So you'd need to have someone that knows all these lower tier regiments to host such a tournament. Someone that is established in one of the bigger regiments won't have the slightest clue about what regiments at that level would even be willing to compete in a tournament format. Secondly, there are not a lot of people that like hosting tournaments that they are not able to compete in themselves, especially as low to mid tier regimental groupfights and 1v1s are about the most uninteresting thing to watch. This means that someone that is not personally invested in a regiment on that level will be very unlikely to host such a tournament. The best case scenario is a League 2 format for a normal regimental tournament, which is often slightly difficult to achieve because of the first issue (hosts not knowing lower tier regiments that are willing to play). Still, it is achievable, but only if there are enough lower tier regiments that show interest to the hosts. It's harsh but simple: noone from outside these communities is going to put in the effort to host this tournament for you and  noone is going to cater for these regiments and put in the effort for them through a 2nd league unless they show the hosts that there is enough interest on that level of the community to compete in a tournament format.

All I'm saying is that if these regiments wish to have a lower/mid tier tournament, it needs to come from that community itself. Either by hosting it themselves, or by letting established hosts know that there is an interest from that community to play in their tournaments in a League 2 format.

Edit:
The community needs a regimental tournament without the 15thYR, 45thN, 92nd, 96y and 27th . These cancer regiments are killing the game.

Host one then
essentially this but a little more nuanced  :-*
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ArtOfKilling on December 23, 2020, 02:43:46 pm
From what i have seen the last year during the pandemic is that, we still can get recruits from public servers and then usually those new members bring maybe 1 or 2 friends that play the game and they join as well. But the amount of those recruits is not even close, to the number that would be needed to make a new regiment from scratch. I do believe thow there is a lack of line regiments, too many people made specialist regiments that are disproportionate to the number of events that are avaliable, if more lines existed maybe even more hosts would think there is a point in hosting events.

But in general i do agree with Rikkert's posts.


P.S.
The regiment communities need to make sure their members enjoy the events, and pray for bannerlord modding.

Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Ambiguous on December 23, 2020, 03:43:13 pm
Crazy how this thread was started in 2014 and we're still here for some reason
It's because you are killing the game Snowwi.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Snowwi on December 23, 2020, 04:02:08 pm
Crazy how this thread was started in 2014 and we're still here for some reason
It's because you are killing the game Snowwi.
Might go inactive again and come back 4 years later
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Ambiguous on December 23, 2020, 04:05:07 pm
Crazy how this thread was started in 2014 and we're still here for some reason
It's because you are killing the game Snowwi.
Might go inactive again and come back 4 years later
I'll message you in 2024 to join my new regiment.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: No0B on December 23, 2020, 05:39:07 pm
All I'm going to say is this healthy public community is a healthy regiment community. Maybe invest more in your public community like regiments used too. I good example is the DKK on NA they would play as a large group together on Bot Surival very often and actually got alot of new players. The regiment exploded I think do to drama. But investing in the NW public community does help the regiment community.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: DA_26thNC_GP_Pvt_Marmite_ on January 20, 2021, 08:11:52 pm
To be honest, a lot of people that played Mount and Blade were in their teens and in their early twenties, demographics-wise, but I guess as we get older as we go into college, and into work, we spend less and less time on the game.  People come and go it's life, but for Mount and Blade I am glad that there is at least a community and that this guy is still alive, I feel that there will be dedicated people that will try to keep the communities here alive until Private Servers for Bannerlod, War of Rights, BattleCry will come out. There was a short spike when Covid began, as people had to stay home, but as people started to get used to the lockdowns they had to go back to their routines.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: maskmanmarks on February 24, 2021, 03:01:42 am
not enough people getting involved
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Blitzkrieg. on February 24, 2021, 08:13:33 am
not enough people getting involved
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Scottish Unicorn on February 24, 2021, 02:54:41 pm
Let's play holdfast or Prime and load instead :)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Grimmy on February 24, 2021, 08:15:10 pm
I might be wrong and it would also probably never happen, wouldn't a sale on both Warband and the NW DLC help with luring in new potential players?
Than again that's Taleworlds decision and not FSE's.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: [2ndHess] lukasoh on February 24, 2021, 11:33:41 pm
I might be wrong and it would also probably never happen, wouldn't a sale on both Warband and the NW DLC help with luring in new potential players?
Than again that's Taleworlds decision and not FSE's.
They are on sale Every summer/winter whatever sale, nw 75%, warband 50% last time I saw it.
But people check it out, see the year of release, then see the whack graphics. So few people decide to buy the game.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Skaenn on February 25, 2021, 10:27:24 am
Its just a shame that the game runs piss poor on max settings. Because I don’t think it looks that bad, especially when you run the l’aigle overhaul mod. Even in small groupfighting maps with say like 10 v 10 the game runs so slow, its almost impossible to perform well, and I have a monster PC. I always have to turn down the graphics so the game would react as fast as I want it to.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: pieter on March 17, 2021, 03:08:31 pm
So an interesting point was given by Chriseh and Tardet during the EIC twitch test stream the one prior to the one with Gi.
They talked about how native managed to get themselves into an E-sport position, now a days you dont hear a lot about it but the native community were always far smaller then the NW community.

But they still managed to get sponsors and host something that really was on a professional level and from an outsider perspective (myself) it put a lot of life back into the native game.

I think personally NW can do this to, if you simply think back of the pretty hardcore rivalries we have had and still have in our community, it really has been filled with really good competitive moments, in the regimental scene, GF teams scene, duel scenes, etc.

If we can get the NW community united behind this idea of lets try to hit the E-sport scenery I think we have a solid chance of getting a lot more old people back into the game + getting new people because due to cloud that you can get thro twitch/youtube, lets be honest a lot of fucking people who first go into warband/NW saw the videos from Malakith, Aldemar, Chadman and thought to themselves lets fucking play this it looks pretty sick.
But eventually you have achieved everything in this game after some years and you result to either play for fun or just stop playing but when a prize pool of some sort can be added other then some individuals donating a few bucks (nothing bad to the people who donated I did it myself as well), lets say like a proper prize pool of 500 euros or above that would make things a lot more interesting and who knows where the limit would be, if manage to market ourselves in a good way.

Ofcourse their are many obstacles along the way, to name one is that NW is an old game... BUT its a solid game yes it has its occasional flaws but it truely hold some sort of skill to play this game.
Look at CSGO its also a very old game with more features but still it has stayed relatively the same in its core competitive play.

I might ofcourse be talking from a very optimistic point of view but I honestly believe we are able to pull it off, we already have so many great youtubers/twitchers like Tardet, Shadey, Chriseh, etc.

I am interested what people would think about this :)

PS.

I myself already started a bit of trial commentary see how it could workout on my youtube hence I thought I would give some more explanation here 8)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Golden. on March 17, 2021, 03:58:50 pm
After the Battle of Bucharest I was in the talking stages of a LAN with Frank from Taleworlds this was before he left and it fell apart. But it's not impossible they were interested even back then doing something big like the Bucharest LAN.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Alf on March 19, 2021, 01:09:26 am
So an interesting point was given by Chriseh and Tardet during the EIC twitch test stream the one prior to the one with Gi.
They talked about how native managed to get themselves into an E-sport position, now a days you dont hear a lot about it but the native community were always far smaller then the NW community.

But they still managed to get sponsors and host something that really was on a professional level and from an outsider perspective (myself) it put a lot of life back into the native game.

I think personally NW can do this to, if you simply think back of the pretty hardcore rivalries we have had and still have in our community, it really has been filled with really good competitive moments, in the regimental scene, GF teams scene, duel scenes, etc.

If we can get the NW community united behind this idea of lets try to hit the E-sport scenery I think we have a solid chance of getting a lot more old people back into the game + getting new people because due to cloud that you can get thro twitch/youtube, lets be honest a lot of fucking people who first go into warband/NW saw the videos from Malakith, Aldemar, Chadman and thought to themselves lets fucking play this it looks pretty sick.
But eventually you have achieved everything in this game after some years and you result to either play for fun or just stop playing but when a prize pool of some sort can be added other then some individuals donating a few bucks (nothing bad to the people who donated I did it myself as well), lets say like a proper prize pool of 500 euros or above that would make things a lot more interesting and who knows where the limit would be, if manage to market ourselves in a good way.

Ofcourse their are many obstacles along the way, to name one is that NW is an old game... BUT its a solid game yes it has its occasional flaws but it truely hold some sort of skill to play this game.
Look at CSGO its also a very old game with more features but still it has stayed relatively the same in its core competitive play.

I might ofcourse be talking from a very optimistic point of view but I honestly believe we are able to pull it off, we already have so many great youtubers/twitchers like Tardet, Shadey, Chriseh, etc.

I am interested what people would think about this :)

PS.

I myself already started a bit of trial commentary see how it could workout on my youtube hence I thought I would give some more explanation here 8)

I've spoken to a few people about this, i'd even be willing to fund the first prize pool, but a lot of people are so negative about the community that they actively dislike the idea of anyone being rewarded to play
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Golden. on March 19, 2021, 02:03:31 am
Sorry who is so negative Alf?
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ONeil_ on March 19, 2021, 02:20:35 pm
im arm wrestling gibby at next lan
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Kore on March 19, 2021, 02:39:27 pm
im arm wrestling gibby at next lan

Topic is competitive NW not Stickfight the game
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Alf on March 19, 2021, 05:13:51 pm
Sorry who is so negative Alf?

a lot of the people i've spoken to in my reg and others, there seems to be a pessimism about the idea
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Fwuffy on March 19, 2021, 06:07:00 pm
Sorry who is so negative Alf?
me is
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Golden. on March 19, 2021, 06:33:39 pm
Sorry who is so negative Alf?
me is

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Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Dias10 on March 20, 2021, 09:44:11 am
After the Battle of Bucharest I was in the talking stages of a LAN with Frank from Taleworlds this was before he left and it fell apart. But it's not impossible they were interested even back then doing something big like the Bucharest LAN.

If I remember correctly, a month ago a big Native Warband tournament organizer tried to contact Taleworlds to perhaps add a prize pool and advertise the tournament, but they simply ignored him, didn't even give him a response, they are more focused on bannerlord unfortunately.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Saxon on March 22, 2021, 10:04:21 am
Spoiler
After the Battle of Bucharest I was in the talking stages of a LAN with Frank from Taleworlds this was before he left and it fell apart. But it's not impossible they were interested even back then doing something big like the Bucharest LAN.

If I remember correctly, a month ago a big Native Warband tournament organizer tried to contact Taleworlds to perhaps add a prize pool and advertise the tournament, but they simply ignored him, didn't even give him a response, they are more focused on bannerlord unfortunately.
[close]

Yes but not like TW really gave 2 shits about the community before Bannerlord lol
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Rikkert on March 22, 2021, 11:05:54 am
To them were really just the weird kids at the playground eating sand.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Herishey on March 22, 2021, 11:09:04 am
Wait, eating the sand makes you weird?
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: AlekoTheGreek on March 22, 2021, 01:04:33 pm
TW never gave half a shit about anyone playing their games.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Saxon on March 22, 2021, 03:07:07 pm
TW never gave half a shit about anyone playing their games.

all about that lira lira bill
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: poberta on March 26, 2021, 08:47:55 am
Small number  players which want play game
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Cameron. on March 26, 2021, 10:50:26 am
Small number  players which want play game
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Mik_ on March 26, 2021, 09:19:31 pm
Small number  players which want play game

Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Fungus on March 26, 2021, 09:59:55 pm
Too busy playing curve fever
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Aurum on April 14, 2021, 05:35:19 am
I feel like the only drawback to having a tournament with a large prize pool (online) is the fact that the game lacks a proper anti-cheat system. It's a shame though. I feel like more people would take tournaments more seriously with large prize pools and increase the competitiveness and skill of that tournament. Every time I host a gf tournament it seems like 50% or more don't even care about the prize pool because it's so low per person (my last one was $350). But anyways, what would be the point if there were autoblocking scares midway through a tournament/season. I know within the NA scene there are people who have been recently caught using it/still use it.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: No0B on April 14, 2021, 03:45:18 pm
I feel like the only drawback to having a tournament with a large prize pool (online) is the fact that the game lacks a proper anti-cheat system. It's a shame though. I feel like more people would take tournaments more seriously with large prize pools and increase the competitiveness and skill of that tournament. Every time I host a gf tournament it seems like 50% or more don't even care about the prize pool because it's so low per person (my last one was $350). But anyways, what would be the point if there were autoblocking scares midway through a tournament/season. I know within the NA scene there are people who have been recently caught using it/still use it.
Only nerds like Jazz use autoblock
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: 19boboy97 on April 14, 2021, 03:58:57 pm
I feel like the only drawback to having a tournament with a large prize pool (online) is the fact that the game lacks a proper anti-cheat system. It's a shame though. I feel like more people would take tournaments more seriously with large prize pools and increase the competitiveness and skill of that tournament. Every time I host a gf tournament it seems like 50% or more don't even care about the prize pool because it's so low per person (my last one was $350). But anyways, what would be the point if there were autoblocking scares midway through a tournament/season. I know within the NA scene there are people who have been recently caught using it/still use it.

Just exclude caught cheaters indefinitely from any tournament as community.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Herishey on April 14, 2021, 04:03:03 pm
I feel like the only drawback to having a tournament with a large prize pool (online) is the fact that the game lacks a proper anti-cheat system. It's a shame though. I feel like more people would take tournaments more seriously with large prize pools and increase the competitiveness and skill of that tournament. Every time I host a gf tournament it seems like 50% or more don't even care about the prize pool because it's so low per person (my last one was $350). But anyways, what would be the point if there were autoblocking scares midway through a tournament/season. I know within the NA scene there are people who have been recently caught using it/still use it.

Just exclude caught cheaters indefinitely from any tournament as community.
There is no real way to 'catch' someone though unless they're dumb enough to admit it. You can say what 'looks' like cheating via videos but it's impossible to confirm unless the cheater proves it themselves due to the lack of anti-cheat. So what you just said is easier said than done.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Kulouš on April 21, 2021, 01:55:57 pm
I feel like the only drawback to having a tournament with a large prize pool (online) is the fact that the game lacks a proper anti-cheat system.

Yeah, the biggest reason why I didn't want to participate in NWWC and the biggest reason why I always laugh at ppl when they flex how "PRO" they are and how many tourneys they have won just to see them releasing videos of them using glowing muskets, X% zoom outs, HP MOD, radar, etc... I just don't feel that after what I have seen I can take these tourneys seriously no more...
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Shadey on April 21, 2021, 01:59:42 pm
Imagine someone making a glowing musket mod, like just get better eyesight bro???
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: No0B on April 21, 2021, 08:00:18 pm
Imagine someone making a glowing musket mod, like just get better eyesight bro???
I thought that was a meme mod
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: 19boboy97 on April 22, 2021, 08:52:46 am
Fifa Pro Clubs is destroying NW
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: poberta on April 22, 2021, 08:59:58 am
Fifa Pro Clubs is destroying NW
45THN  CLUB IN FIFA 21 IS BEST
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Chainsor on April 22, 2021, 06:04:24 pm
I feel like the only drawback to having a tournament with a large prize pool (online) is the fact that the game lacks a proper anti-cheat system.

Yeah, the biggest reason why I didn't want to participate in NWWC and the biggest reason why I always laugh at ppl when they flex how "PRO" they are and how many tourneys they have won just to see them releasing videos of them using glowing muskets, X% zoom outs, HP MOD, radar, etc... I just don't feel that after what I have seen I can take these tourneys seriously no more...

using them is the first thing, but uploading videos using these "mods" is just the best thing I've ever witnessed. Better than Mr. word.exe Forsaken himself
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Blitzkrieg. on April 22, 2021, 06:54:03 pm
I feel like the only drawback to having a tournament with a large prize pool (online) is the fact that the game lacks a proper anti-cheat system.

Yeah, the biggest reason why I didn't want to participate in NWWC and the biggest reason why I always laugh at ppl when they flex how "PRO" they are and how many tourneys they have won just to see them releasing videos of them using glowing muskets, X% zoom outs, HP MOD, radar, etc... I just don't feel that after what I have seen I can take these tourneys seriously no more...

using them is the first thing, but uploading videos using these "mods" is just the best thing I've ever witnessed. Better than Mr. word.exe Forsaken himself
Personally I don’t have an issue with glowing muskets bcs I use a very dark monitor with a black LED. And it can be really hard even with max brightness to see muskets  because of these dark colours ingame, so the yellow really helps eliminate this factor. But yeah HP mods etc are just cringe and give actual advantages
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Scottish Unicorn on April 22, 2021, 07:18:20 pm
Can we also maybe say the thread isn't right. This thread was started in 2014 and we're a quarter through 2021 and the game is still going. Obviously a smaller community but its about not the size of the ship, it's what you do with it that matters.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: John Price on April 22, 2021, 08:18:12 pm
I mean I remember when this thread was posted, it was at a kinda weird time for NA NW. Their scene didn't really start from the ground up like EU did. There were regiments in EU who would bring large groups of NA's, like the OG 51st did. When bluefang hosting etc. started supporting NW thats when the big regiments in NA started, but the thing I remember the most about 2013 is literally everyone complaining about how shitty the servers and competition were. Come to think of it, it took them a good while to pick up tournament formats etc. that EU had done. Pair that with losing interest I can kinda understand why they felt this way 7 years ago.

Back then you had plenty of regiments who were all pulling in big numbers but suddenly started to shrink down. Honestly I would just put it forward to that honeymoon period. DLC had been out for 2 years and people started to lose interest. That goes for both EU and NA obviously.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Fungus on April 25, 2021, 12:50:50 pm
92nd
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Scottish Unicorn on April 25, 2021, 01:07:15 pm
92nd
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: progamer26 on April 30, 2021, 04:07:55 pm
Hello Guys
I think the problem is that too many other people are trying other entertainment alternatives like
movies, games or friends. I especially found myself watching a ton of new movies just like this one https://latenightstreaming.com/en-uk/movie/bad-trip i loved it and i would recommend it everybody
I hope you guys will find a solution soon...

greetings
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Saxon on June 05, 2021, 11:25:41 am
stun kicks, prove me wrong
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Saint Izar on July 20, 2021, 10:32:26 pm
Not me.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Skaenn on July 20, 2021, 10:44:16 pm
stun kicks, prove me wrong
Stabbing someone 3 times with direct hits before they one stab you.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Saitama on July 20, 2021, 10:48:30 pm
stun kicks, prove me wrong
Stabbing someone 3 times with direct hits before they one stab you.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ~NickCole~ on July 21, 2021, 08:56:32 am
stun kicks, prove me wrong
Stabbing someone 3 times with direct hits before they one stab you.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Vixtro on July 25, 2021, 10:17:33 pm
kick glitch , animation glitches , gf team called virgins thx
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: James. on July 25, 2021, 10:47:30 pm
People named vixtro cus he just farms
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Saxon on July 26, 2021, 08:30:30 am
kick glitch , animation glitches , gf team called virgins thx
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: 19boboy97 on July 26, 2021, 08:58:59 am
Playing on a Unicorn Server makes me wanna uninstall the game and hang myself with a lan cable.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: poberta on July 26, 2021, 12:07:44 pm
Sadism  and elitism here is this big problem :'(
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Skaenn on July 26, 2021, 12:19:54 pm
Sadism  and elitism here is this big problem :'(
Pobbers spittin facts
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Saxon on July 26, 2021, 02:25:41 pm
cat girls
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Skaenn on July 26, 2021, 02:26:54 pm
cat girls
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Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Veto on July 26, 2021, 11:07:47 pm
cat girls

bullshit, cat girl shit gets people involved!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: No0B on July 28, 2021, 12:04:00 am
We need more cat girls
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: 19boboy97 on July 28, 2021, 11:52:33 am
We need more cat girls
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Grimmy on July 28, 2021, 01:50:51 pm
We need more cat girls

Israeli propaganda is already using the tactic, seems to be effective.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Phailur on July 28, 2021, 05:39:47 pm
Nock
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: LEVIS on August 22, 2021, 06:20:08 am
Sadism  and elitism here is this big problem :'(
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SteveUrkle12 on August 30, 2021, 03:14:28 am
7 years later it's still dying
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: HuntehPetros on August 30, 2021, 06:06:39 am
7 years later it's still dying
NA is pretty fuckin dead, esp pub scene atm. still got a comp scene of 70 or so for draft gf leagues but even comp regs are more or less a thing of the past :(

I miss my 1v1s
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Kapow on August 30, 2021, 03:40:28 pm
I personally don’t think the game is dying for any particular reason

Honestly it is a old game and players are ageing out of it. This draft league has tons of issues with people having jobs and life’s outside of video games
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: LEVIS on August 30, 2021, 09:21:53 pm
true but there is a reason some reg that use to be comp now are just casual or dont wanna go into comp
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Sup on August 30, 2021, 09:52:29 pm
all in all, I think its mainly mass burnout from the people who started back in 2013-2014. They've done essentially everything, and theres nothing left for them.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: James. on August 31, 2021, 04:22:02 am
mfs growing up and having families and shit or starting to have to pay their own bills, and even then, people can still play if they want. The game isn't dying. It's just never grown for the last 4-5 years.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: SteveUrkle12 on August 31, 2021, 05:00:24 am
Holdfast, BCoF, Sword and Musket, newer games with a larger audience are chipping away slowly even if some haven't released yet
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Pinoy12 on August 31, 2021, 09:37:56 am
I personally don%u2019t think the game is dying for any particular reason

Honestly it is a old game and players are ageing out of it. This draft league has tons of issues with people having jobs and life%u2019s outside of video games
Yah a big chunk of players played from 2012 to now and a lot of us were like 12 year old kids at the time when we started. 9 years later a lot of us are adults now with jobs and college shit to deal with. I agree with u on that
The cycle of life hit NW pretty hard.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Runepkyz on August 31, 2021, 05:24:20 pm
I personally don%u2019t think the game is dying for any particular reason

Honestly it is a old game and players are ageing out of it. This draft league has tons of issues with people having jobs and life%u2019s outside of video games
Yah a big chunk of players played from 2012 to now and a lot of us were like 12 year old kids at the time when we started. 9 years later a lot of us are adults now with jobs and college shit to deal with. I agree with u on that
The cycle of life hit NW pretty hard.
Yesir started at 15yo now im 24. People just  grow out of it with no new people taking their place.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Pinoy12 on August 31, 2021, 05:54:33 pm
I personally don%u2019t think the game is dying for any particular reason

Honestly it is a old game and players are ageing out of it. This draft league has tons of issues with people having jobs and life%u2019s outside of video games
Yah a big chunk of players played from 2012 to now and a lot of us were like 12 year old kids at the time when we started. 9 years later a lot of us are adults now with jobs and college shit to deal with. I agree with u on that
The cycle of life hit NW pretty hard.
Yesir started at 15yo now im 24. People just  grow out of it with no new people taking their place.
Yah I was in 6th grade when I started. This game really watched all of us grow up
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: LEVIS on August 31, 2021, 07:16:34 pm
I personally don%u2019t think the game is dying for any particular reason

Honestly it is a old game and players are ageing out of it. This draft league has tons of issues with people having jobs and life%u2019s outside of video games
Yah a big chunk of players played from 2012 to now and a lot of us were like 12 year old kids at the time when we started. 9 years later a lot of us are adults now with jobs and college shit to deal with. I agree with u on that
The cycle of life hit NW pretty hard.
Yesir started at 15yo now im 24. People just  grow out of it with no new people taking their place.
yeah the thing is that there was never a real new generation after 2018
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: James. on August 31, 2021, 09:38:26 pm
I personally don%u2019t think the game is dying for any particular reason

Honestly it is a old game and players are ageing out of it. This draft league has tons of issues with people having jobs and life%u2019s outside of video games
Yah a big chunk of players played from 2012 to now and a lot of us were like 12 year old kids at the time when we started. 9 years later a lot of us are adults now with jobs and college shit to deal with. I agree with u on that
The cycle of life hit NW pretty hard.
Yesir started at 15yo now im 24. People just  grow out of it with no new people taking their place.
Yah I was in 6th grade when I started. This game really watched all of us grow up
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ~Midnight~ on August 31, 2021, 11:47:37 pm
I personally don%u2019t think the game is dying for any particular reason

Honestly it is a old game and players are ageing out of it. This draft league has tons of issues with people having jobs and life%u2019s outside of video games
Yah a big chunk of players played from 2012 to now and a lot of us were like 12 year old kids at the time when we started. 9 years later a lot of us are adults now with jobs and college shit to deal with. I agree with u on that
The cycle of life hit NW pretty hard.
Yesir started at 15yo now im 24. People just  grow out of it with no new people taking their place.
Yah I was in 6th grade when I started. This game really watched all of us grow up
Idk about the growing up part. Some of you still act like you're 12.  ::)
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Chainsor on September 01, 2021, 01:58:24 pm
midnight out here murdering people
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ~NickCole~ on September 01, 2021, 10:07:00 pm
midnight out here murdering people
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: ~Midnight~ on September 01, 2021, 11:28:13 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDNZX2nql2Y
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Sup on September 10, 2021, 03:49:37 am
I personally don%u2019t think the game is dying for any particular reason

Honestly it is a old game and players are ageing out of it. This draft league has tons of issues with people having jobs and life%u2019s outside of video games
Yah a big chunk of players played from 2012 to now and a lot of us were like 12 year old kids at the time when we started. 9 years later a lot of us are adults now with jobs and college shit to deal with. I agree with u on that
The cycle of life hit NW pretty hard.
Yesir started at 15yo now im 24. People just  grow out of it with no new people taking their place.
yeah the thing is that there was never a real new generation after 2018

I'm the only one  :'(
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Kore on September 30, 2021, 05:27:01 pm
I personally don%u2019t think the game is dying for any particular reason

Honestly it is a old game and players are ageing out of it. This draft league has tons of issues with people having jobs and life%u2019s outside of video games
Yah a big chunk of players played from 2012 to now and a lot of us were like 12 year old kids at the time when we started. 9 years later a lot of us are adults now with jobs and college shit to deal with. I agree with u on that
The cycle of life hit NW pretty hard.
Yesir started at 15yo now im 24. People just  grow out of it with no new people taking their place.
Yah I was in 6th grade when I started. This game really watched all of us grow up
Idk about the growing up part. Some of you still act like you're 12.  ::)

NW is one of those games where growing up on it teaches you whatever bullshit you say on the Internet has no consequences.

Which is true. Awesome community 👏
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Nock on October 07, 2021, 12:56:09 pm
Spoiler
I personally don%u2019t think the game is dying for any particular reason

Honestly it is a old game and players are ageing out of it. This draft league has tons of issues with people having jobs and life%u2019s outside of video games
Yah a big chunk of players played from 2012 to now and a lot of us were like 12 year old kids at the time when we started. 9 years later a lot of us are adults now with jobs and college shit to deal with. I agree with u on that
The cycle of life hit NW pretty hard.
Yesir started at 15yo now im 24. People just  grow out of it with no new people taking their place.
Yah I was in 6th grade when I started. This game really watched all of us grow up
Idk about the growing up part. Some of you still act like you're 12.  ::)

NW is one of those games where growing up on it teaches you whatever bullshit you say on the Internet has no consequences.

Which is true. Awesome community 👏
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shut up !!
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Kubus on October 09, 2021, 03:35:42 pm
NW is one of those games where growing up on it teaches you whatever bullshit you say on the Internet has no consequences.

Which is true. Awesome community 👏

+1

Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: stylish on October 12, 2021, 05:33:34 pm
Me leaving was a massive part of the decline tbh.
Title: Re: What IS killing the game?
Post by: Herishey on October 12, 2021, 05:34:46 pm
Yeah, that was where it all went downhill. :(

Also nice sig, aged really well!