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Re: NA All-Time Melee List♛
« Reply #165 on: June 29, 2018, 06:30:01 pm »
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Re: NA All-Time Melee List♛
« Reply #166 on: June 29, 2018, 07:03:06 pm »
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Re: NA All-Time Melee List♛
« Reply #167 on: June 29, 2018, 07:13:18 pm »
Six years later, people still make NW all time melee lists.

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« Reply #168 on: June 29, 2018, 07:18:07 pm »
Six years later, people still make NW all time melee lists.

go feed your kids and take a nap old man
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Re: NA All-Time Melee List♛
« Reply #169 on: June 29, 2018, 07:19:12 pm »
Six years later, people still make NW all time melee lists.

go feed your kids and take a nap old man

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Re: NA All-Time Melee List♛
« Reply #170 on: June 29, 2018, 07:31:23 pm »
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Re: NA All-Time Melee List♛
« Reply #171 on: June 29, 2018, 07:50:58 pm »
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« Reply #172 on: June 29, 2018, 08:53:04 pm »
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Re: NickCole's NA All-Time List ♛
« Reply #174 on: June 29, 2018, 09:32:04 pm »
It's as if people forget (or maybe don't even know) that competitive history didn't start with the NWL. Competition was strong for at least 2 years before the NWL. You know, the time the 12th was at their peak and when the 9y was actually a thing? NickCole you regurgitate the fact that 12th is the GOAT regiment, because if you didn't you'd be immediately be called out for not knowing what you're talking about. Yet you actually have no idea of the context and the competitive landscape of that era. You know what regiment was the only one to defeat peak 12th, who you have ranked at #1 and 93 for leaders? Guess

My point:

The 3eVolt of 2012-2015 and the 3eVolt of current era are two enitrely different entities, and that the two regiments share no officers and almost no members in common. So which of the two 3eVolts is it that you have listed as 2nd best regiment of all time? Is it one or the other? And if its the newer, tell me how you can rank them so much higher above the LG when the record between the two regiments is so closely tied.

Or is it that the 3eVolt is often cited as the 2nd or 3rd best regiment of all time because it has consitently been competitively dominant across multiple eras, despite changes in roster and leadership? If that is the reason you have ranked the 3eVolt highly, are you at all aware of who lead the 3eVolt in the era that the exalted 12th and 9y peaked in?
another thing to be taken into account here big guy is the scene wasn't exactly developed back in the day. in 2013 you could just spam up attacks and spin in circles and you would be considered a good player. the meta of the game evolved and became a lot harder and the same thing goes for leading regiments. If you're rating leaders you cant go purely off of the regiment's success. Yes it has a factor but its about which leader did the most with what little they had. A good example of this is Ody, he didn't exactly have the best players but got some pretty damn good results by out leading a lot of the time. Compare that to a regiment like the 12th during their era, leading was barely necessary because the pool of players enabled them to win without much critical thinking needed
Also on the subject of rating regiments throughout the game's history, you have to consider the evolution of the game and it ties into how people would rate NiP in counter strike. were they the best team ever because they went 87-0?. Fuck no, everyone else just sucked dick and the meta of the game hadn't developed yet to become competitive. Does this mean that there is no recognition to be given? no. But when compared with a team like fnatic or LG/SK when they had their era of dominance it pails heavily.
Lets say a new regiment formed of a bunch of old washed up meleers to see if they still have what it takes. they play a season of NWL or whatever league is popular now and wins. Nobody would really give a fuck and would not remember them as one of the greatest regiments of all time, because its not relevant, the game is no longer on the same competitive plane it used to be. When determining things like this you cant just look at the player or regiment itself, you need to look at the competition to determine if the player or regiment is truly "All-Time" worthy. That's like rating Anthony as an all time great melee

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« Reply #175 on: June 29, 2018, 09:37:12 pm »
wasn't the one defeat 3e inflicted on the 12th was after a disband and reform from the 12th? how is that considered their "peak" lmfao didn't 12th beat 3e many times over

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Re: NA All-Time Melee List♛
« Reply #176 on: June 29, 2018, 09:39:40 pm »
Six years later, people still make NW all time melee lists.

these are dark times

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Re: NickCole's NA All-Time List ♛
« Reply #177 on: June 29, 2018, 09:45:57 pm »
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Compare that to a regiment like the 12th during their era, leading was barely necessary because the pool of players enabled them to win without much critical thinking needed.

That gave me a good chuckle.


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« Reply #178 on: June 29, 2018, 09:52:23 pm »
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Compare that to a regiment like the 12th during their era, leading was barely necessary because the pool of players enabled them to win without much critical thinking needed.

That gave me a good chuckle.



coming from the guy who complains why he doesn't see himself on the melee list LOLLLLL new gens smfh

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Re: NA All-Time Melee List♛
« Reply #179 on: June 29, 2018, 10:11:45 pm »
It's as if people forget (or maybe don't even know) that competitive history didn't start with the NWL. Competition was strong for at least 2 years before the NWL. You know, the time the 12th was at their peak and when the 9y was actually a thing? NickCole you regurgitate the fact that 12th is the GOAT regiment, because if you didn't you'd be immediately be called out for not knowing what you're talking about. Yet you actually have no idea of the context and the competitive landscape of that era. You know what regiment was the only one to defeat peak 12th, who you have ranked at #1 and 93 for leaders? Guess

My point:

The 3eVolt of 2012-2015 and the 3eVolt of current era are two enitrely different entities, and that the two regiments share no officers and almost no members in common. So which of the two 3eVolts is it that you have listed as 2nd best regiment of all time? Is it one or the other? And if its the newer, tell me how you can rank them so much higher above the LG when the record between the two regiments is so closely tied.

Or is it that the 3eVolt is often cited as the 2nd or 3rd best regiment of all time because it has consitently been competitively dominant across multiple eras, despite changes in roster and leadership? If that is the reason you have ranked the 3eVolt highly, are you at all aware of who lead the 3eVolt in the era that the exalted 12th and 9y peaked in?
another thing to be taken into account here big guy is the scene wasn't exactly developed back in the day. in 2013 you could just spam up attacks and spin in circles and you would be considered a good player. the meta of the game evolved and became a lot harder and the same thing goes for leading regiments. If you're rating leaders you cant go purely off of the regiment's success. Yes it has a factor but its about which leader did the most with what little they had. A good example of this is Ody, he didn't exactly have the best players but got some pretty damn good results by out leading a lot of the time. Compare that to a regiment like the 12th during their era, leading was barely necessary because the pool of players enabled them to win without much critical thinking needed
Also on the subject of rating regiments throughout the game's history, you have to consider the evolution of the game and it ties into how people would rate NiP in counter strike. were they the best team ever because they went 87-0?. Fuck no, everyone else just sucked dick and the meta of the game hadn't developed yet to become competitive. Does this mean that there is no recognition to be given? no. But when compared with a team like fnatic or LG/SK when they had their era of dominance it pails heavily.
Lets say a new regiment formed of a bunch of old washed up meleers to see if they still have what it takes. they play a season of NWL or whatever league is popular now and wins. Nobody would really give a fuck and would not remember them as one of the greatest regiments of all time, because its not relevant, the game is no longer on the same competitive plane it used to be. When determining things like this you cant just look at the player or regiment itself, you need to look at the competition to determine if the player or regiment is truly "All-Time" worthy. That's like rating Anthony as an all time great melee

Age old debate of whether old gens hold up to new gens, if we were to ever put them against each other in a vacuum. the answer off the bat is no, the skill floor has increased. That doesn't mean old regiments wouldn't be able to get up to speed quickly. Case in point every time a HoF regiment reforms they immediately take top 1st or 2nd NA. Saying the scene wasn't developed is wrong, again assuming 'real' competitive history started with the NWL. It didn't, there were many more competitively active regiments in those days than compared to these last couple years.

wasn't the one defeat 3e inflicted on the 12th was after a disband and reform from the 12th? how is that considered their "peak" lmfao didn't 12th beat 3e many times over

Wrong
The two 12th defeats were in 2013. They disbanded in 2014.

"lmfao"
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Did I ever imply the 3eVolt was in the end better than the 12th? Who are you arguing with? troglodyte brain