This looks so nice, can regiments add there own ranks or are they preset and would wonder how unique regiments who use completely different ranks would work? Looks amazing still waiting to get enough money to donate though. Al;so steam group is a great idea saw the little announcement pop up while I was in N&S.
Also it fairly ruins immersion and ambience if you see a whole bunch of guys with a 101_Spacetrooper rank tag.
Also it fairly ruins immersion and ambience if you see a whole bunch of guys with a 101_Spacetrooper rank tag.
On the other side, regiments that are not English-based will have to play with ranks that are not historical accurate for their nation. I think it will be quite strange to look at french army with english ranks.
Then again I wasn't aware that France had an army in the American Civil war :pAlso it fairly ruins immersion and ambience if you see a whole bunch of guys with a 101_Spacetrooper rank tag.
On the other side, regiments that are not English-based will have to play with ranks that are not historical accurate for their nation. I think it will be quite strange to look at french army with english ranks.
So you're going to force people to use a specific set of tags and ranks, simply for the sake of historical accuracy?
As an extreme advocate of historical accuracy, I have to say that this is not the route I'd have taken it, but rather to encourage such things when possible, rather than forcing them upon the community.
Regiment names are not going to be forced, but the ranks quite possibly are. This is not 100% due to historical accuracy.
The discussion (there was one, and it was lengthy) was centred around the benefits of giving freedom of choice over the benefits of for instance having a global rank structure. This means that everyone can easily see and recognise what a rank means, and we can use this system coupled with our medals and clan ranking to basically put another layer on the individual player. As in, instead of getting to call his private rank spacetrooperz.. He can instead be shown to be a Private of the 103rd (Fighting Dogs) and we can also show their clan rank, with his rewards, his medals etc.
1. We will run out of regiments if we call the groups regiments; I prefer company or battalion.
Its kind of sad to see regiments that want to bring their own regiment into this new game but still keep their own ranks. For example the 00th, Imperial Eagle Clan, imperial Japanese army, Goons with Spontoons and the reddit. I think these regiments have unique ranks and regiment names and I would hope that they would be able to keep them. Most of these regiments have supported NW and have never ruined my "immersion" in game. I feel its unfair to give them no choice but to change their regiment name or deal with these ranks.Regiment names are not going to be forced, but the ranks quite possibly are. This is not 100% due to historical accuracy.
The discussion (there was one, and it was lengthy) was centred around the benefits of giving freedom of choice over the benefits of for instance having a global rank structure. This means that everyone can easily see and recognise what a rank means, and we can use this system coupled with our medals and clan ranking to basically put another layer on the individual player. As in, instead of getting to call his private rank spacetrooperz.. He can instead be shown to be a Private of the 103rd (Fighting Dogs) and we can also show their clan rank, with his rewards, his medals etc.
With the sole exception of the Russians*, I've yet to see a ranking system that isn't easily recognisable. Thus the issue isn't very.. prominent in the community. The one space-based regiment I've run into (The 00th, of course.) has a very simple to understand system in place. I simply see no reason to restrict what ranks one could use simply because of a fringe-group of people, who haven't, as of yet, even appeared in the community.
[* This is with historically correct ranks, as well.]
Edit; And as a further note, I really don't see why ranks would even be important. Perhaps I am alone, but when I play games, I don't play them to show off that I'm a leader, but to enjoy the game itself. (Hence my lack of identifying signature, actually.)
Hmm... Since a lot of you people do not like the idea of "forced" ranks, I think it is best to make them a bit more dynamic...
Hmm... Since a lot of you people do not like the idea of "forced" ranks, I think it is best to make them a bit more dynamic...For donators only, I agree!
For donators only, I agree!
Agreed.For donators only, I agree!
Making any feature in the game 'donator only' is the most idiotic idea I've ever heard. It's similar to the pathetic tactic used by larger game companies when they do their 'pre-order exclusives', to get as much money as possible from those who can get to their wallet fastest. Donators should do so because they wish to assist in the creation of the game, not because it would enable them to get a feature that should be available for everyone who purchases the game.
1.Volunteer: Gained upon joining. Will hold this until you have attended 10 events.
2.Private: After attending 10 events you will be promoted to Musketeer. You will have this rank untill you show yourself skilled enough to be promoted.
3.Private 1st Class: Considered a skilled Private. Members who have shown themselves skilled,active and loyal to the Company.
4.Regulars: Considered the "Shock Troopers" of the Regiment. Consisting of the extremely skilled players of the regiment. All members should aspire to be.
Do you think it would be possible to let regiments create their own uniforms for their ingame unit? Stick a crapload of different and historically accurate coats, belts, pants, hats, etc. etc. into a unit editor, and each clan-regiment will be able to make a unique uniform for their ingame unit that they could display and show off on the "Regiments" tab. This would make the clan system even more personalized and intimate, as you won't look anything like the other hundreds of clans in the game. People could look at you and say, "Oh! He has those large silver buckles on the grey belt! He's from the 57th New Jersey!" or something of the like.I really like this idea.
EDIT: Each clan could make their uniforms as historically accurate as they want, or make a completely custom look, but as every single uniform piece is historically accurate, they won't look too ridiculous.
Should add like a Union or Confederate Jacket and stick our medals on.. here let me show you.
http://29th.org/personnel/file/
That would be epic :D
Developer Blog 2 - Regiment/Clan System
So last week we talked about our plans for supporting huge numbers of players, today we have gone for something a little bit different!
A lot of people have been asking us about how we plan on supporting community made clans and regiments in-game. We have already had a lot of thought on this as our community is very important to us, especially as Battle Cry of Freedom is a competitive multiplayer game.(https://www.fsegames.eu/images/devblog2.jpg)
So our planned system will work something like this:
You can freely create clans for our game, these groups are called “Regiments”. These Regiments will be groups of players much like you see in our previous title Napoleonic Wars, however we aim to support these groups as much as possible in-game, and so please read on to get a picture of what we are planning.
Clan/Regiment page
The clan/regiment page is like an advanced version of a steam group. Clans can post news and announce events there. It is possible to easily browse the clan’s players, to take a look at their ranks and stats (including activity). The regiment page could also be used to communicate with each other. It has a small built in chat which saves the last messages, so players can view messages which were written a few days or weeks ago. This can possibly be expanded upon when we receive the appropriate feedback and support.
Ranks
The Regiment page also has a built-in ranking system. Ranks are displayed in-game and in the player overview of the clan. Administrators and founders of the clan can promote or demote players in the clan at will. However, promoting someone to an officer is only possible by the founder, because officers are not not necessarily administrators. Newly recruited players will automatically get the “recruit” rank assigned.
Joining a clan
Players can join and leave a clan as they wish. When joining a clan they have to fill out an application the founder will have created when creating the Regiment. The application is then automatically sent to the Regiment founder, the administrators and moderators. Admins, founders or moderators then just have to accept or deny the application.
Ingame tag system
When joining the game as a member of a Regiment, the game will represent the regiments tags + the current rank tags. For example: Clan tag: 882nd; Rank: Private; Name: Hans
Ingame name: 882nd Pvt. Hans
Medals
Every player, no matter if he is in a Regiment or not can receive medals for playing.
There will be special medals for special acts. For example, you could get a medal for defending a position against a majority of enemies or for playing the game for a certain time. When getting killed by an enemy, you will be able to see his rank, name, regiment, and his medals. Medals are faction specific, players are not able to get Southern medals when playing the Union and vice versa.
Competitive Play
We very much plan to support competitive Regiment play. We are not completely sure how it is best supported, but for now we plan to have an overall Regiment ranking list, where all regiments are shown with their overall score and victories. Regiment competitions will be organised by Regiments where they will choose a specific engagement (or part of an engagement depending on play count) and fight it out. The winner will receive a point/s which will add on to their total ranking.
We will see you next week!
Developer Blog 2 - Regiment/Clan System
So last week we talked about our plans for supporting huge numbers of players, today we have gone for something a little bit different!
A lot of people have been asking us about how we plan on supporting community made clans and regiments in-game. We have already had a lot of thought on this as our community is very important to us, especially as Battle Cry of Freedom is a competitive multiplayer game.(https://www.fsegames.eu/images/devblog2.jpg)
So our planned system will work something like this:
You can freely create clans for our game, these groups are called “Regiments”. These Regiments will be groups of players much like you see in our previous title Napoleonic Wars, however we aim to support these groups as much as possible in-game, and so please read on to get a picture of what we are planning.
Clan/Regiment page
The clan/regiment page is like an advanced version of a steam group. Clans can post news and announce events there. It is possible to easily browse the clan’s players, to take a look at their ranks and stats (including activity). The regiment page could also be used to communicate with each other. It has a small built in chat which saves the last messages, so players can view messages which were written a few days or weeks ago. This can possibly be expanded upon when we receive the appropriate feedback and support.
Ranks
The Regiment page also has a built-in ranking system. Ranks are displayed in-game and in the player overview of the clan. Administrators and founders of the clan can promote or demote players in the clan at will. However, promoting someone to an officer is only possible by the founder, because officers are not not necessarily administrators. Newly recruited players will automatically get the “recruit” rank assigned.
Joining a clan
Players can join and leave a clan as they wish. When joining a clan they have to fill out an application the founder will have created when creating the Regiment. The application is then automatically sent to the Regiment founder, the administrators and moderators. Admins, founders or moderators then just have to accept or deny the application.
Ingame tag system
When joining the game as a member of a Regiment, the game will represent the regiments tags + the current rank tags. For example: Clan tag: 882nd; Rank: Private; Name: Hans
Ingame name: 882nd Pvt. Hans
Medals
Every player, no matter if he is in a Regiment or not can receive medals for playing.
There will be special medals for special acts. For example, you could get a medal for defending a position against a majority of enemies or for playing the game for a certain time. When getting killed by an enemy, you will be able to see his rank, name, regiment, and his medals. Medals are faction specific, players are not able to get Southern medals when playing the Union and vice versa.
Competitive Play
We very much plan to support competitive Regiment play. We are not completely sure how it is best supported, but for now we plan to have an overall Regiment ranking list, where all regiments are shown with their overall score and victories. Regiment competitions will be organised by Regiments where they will choose a specific engagement (or part of an engagement depending on play count) and fight it out. The winner will receive a point/s which will add on to their total ranking.
We will see you next week!
WILL THE PEOPLE HAVE RANK INSIGNIA'S ON THEIR ARM? BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE AWESOME
Agreed.For donators only, I agree!
Making any feature in the game 'donator only' is the most idiotic idea I've ever heard. It's similar to the pathetic tactic used by larger game companies when they do their 'pre-order exclusives', to get as much money as possible from those who can get to their wallet fastest. Donators should do so because they wish to assist in the creation of the game, not because it would enable them to get a feature that should be available for everyone who purchases the game.
Medals
Every player, no matter if he is in a Regiment or not can receive medals for playing.
There will be special medals for special acts. For example, you could get a medal for defending a position against a majority of enemies or for playing the game for a certain time. When getting killed by an enemy, you will be able to see his rank, name, regiment, and his medals. Medals are faction specific, players are not able to get Southern medals when playing the Union and vice versa.
What you don't seem to understand is that we want these features, but it is very difficult to have cosmetic visuals like ranks on arms and custom Regiment clothes with completely free rank choice etc. We are just trying to find a perfect middle ground, where you guys are happy and we can provide the features you want the most, so if we have to sacrifice some visual gimmicks for more freedom in naming ranks & regiments so be it.
My question stands not as we would run out of immigrant regiment but what happens when 2 groups want the same name instead of a heap of cannon fodder regiment from NY ( no offenses Irish and blacks ).1. We will run out of regiments if we call the groups regiments; I prefer company or battalion.
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My question stands not as we would run out of immigrant regiment but what happens when 2 groups want the same name instead of a heap of cannon fodder regiment from NY ( no offenses Irish and blacks ).
I do stand by calling the groups something other than regimet.
My question stands not as we would run out of immigrant regiment but what happens when 2 groups want the same name instead of a heap of cannon fodder regiment from NY ( no offenses Irish and blacks ).
I do stand by calling the groups something other than regimet.
I figure we'd do the same thing we do in NW. Besides, what would we do to differentiate.. say, one company of the 33rd VA from another, beyond the company designation? (Some tags in NW are bad enough. 1stEPI/FKI/WPI/WFI syndrome.)
Also, if we became single companies of regiments, the over-representation of the immigrant regiments would be increased tenfold (Literally.).
(Don't take that the wrong way. The Irish, English, Scots, Germans, Poles, Frenchmen, and the men of all the other nationalities that served on both sides were brave men. However, they've recently been over-represented in both games and the study of history itself, at the expense of the histories of the many hundreds of regiments that were made up of Americans.)
Sorry to put a downer on things - but there were a fair few regiments commanded by non-American officers, and not to forget to mention that many men serving in "American" regiments were perhaps only one or two generations removed from being termed as immigrants themselves.
We have a board and enough goodies from donating. Honestly being able to customize your rank in game is silly and honestly I wouldn't want to be "seperate" or "special" from anyone else because I donated.
A recommendation: I think there should be a list of ranks as default, but they can be renamed, removed, and added by leaders, to work specifically for that regiment.To me, this sounds like the best medium between the two suggestions at this point. I'd agree with that.
The creator of a regiment group should get the ability to change settings in what players can receive certain classes + benefits, as well as being able to change the "creator rank" to someone else.So when you say that the creator would be able to change settings in what players can receive certain classes and benefits, do you mean that the regiment leader would be able to control who is able to play as any of the classes, a drummer for example? I'm afraid I didn't quite understand what you meant.
We have a board and enough goodies from donating. Honestly being able to customize your rank in game is silly and honestly I wouldn't want to be "seperate" or "special" from anyone else because I donated.
Nor would I allow that to happen...
A recommendation: I think there should be a list of ranks as default, but they can be renamed, removed, and added by leaders, to work specifically for that regiment. The creator of a regiment group should get the ability to change settings in what players can receive certain classes + benefits, as well as being able to change the "creator rank" to someone else.
A recommendation: I think there should be a list of ranks as default, but they can be renamed, removed, and added by leaders, to work specifically for that regiment. The creator of a regiment group should get the ability to change settings in what players can receive certain classes + benefits, as well as being able to change the "creator rank" to someone else.
Or maybe a leader can start a poll on which rank they would like to either add/change/delete whatever, and other leaders may have the chance to vote on that so that it becomes the default. The leader would also probably have to provide a rationale for the change, and include sources if its historically accurate or whatever..
Although that golden Enfield, with diamond bands/sights and a platinum bayonet that you're handing out on the donators board is appreciated ;DSpoilerI'm joking of course[close]
This looks so nice, can regiments add there own ranks or are they preset and would wonder how unique regiments who use completely different ranks would work? Looks amazing still waiting to get enough money to donate though. Al;so steam group is a great idea saw the little announcement pop up while I was in N&S.
Well, we want that every regiment/clan has the same ranks. That way we can assure that they are historically accurate and that everyone knows what rank is what. It is sometimes a little bit confusing if you have a 85th_Pvt_Hans and a 76th_Ojajajsjsjs_Hans. They might still mean the same, but because you do not know what it means, it is difficult to get whether hes an officer or an recruit.
Sorry to ask an irrelevant question, but if you were to go down the route of finding a publisher, who would you approach and why?
Clan/Regiment pageI quite like this. A more intricate steam page would be extremely useful.
The clan/regiment page is like an advanced version of a steam group. Clans can post news and announce events there. It is possible to easily browse the clan’s players, to take a look at their ranks and stats (including activity). The regiment page could also be used to communicate with each other. It has a small built in chat which saves the last messages, so players can view messages which were written a few days or weeks ago. This can possibly be expanded upon when we receive the appropriate feedback and support.
Joining a clanThis is good, and I'm all for this because it's basically how the steam groups work right now. If a member leaves the regiment, then they can leave the steam group.
Players can join and leave a clan as they wish. When joining a clan they have to fill out an application the founder will have created when creating the Regiment. The application is then automatically sent to the Regiment founder, the administrators and moderators. Admins, founders or moderators then just have to accept or deny the application.
RanksForced ranks should definitely be thrown out. I have read opinions and developer responses but this is definitely a trademark of the community, be able to "form" your regiment. (forming=Name, ranks, tags, etc) I agree with Coconut when he says that regiments like the 00th, Rddt, and SaDragoons (as well as any regiment that is created) shouldn't have to submit themselves into the system. That's part of what makes the community such a great thing. There is so much diversity and creativity involved in forming and running a regiment, and if regiment OWNERS want to change the ranks, then by god, they should be able to. We shouldn't be limited to what FSE gives us in terms of community. I'm not being hostile here, only stating my opinion.
The Regiment page also has a built-in ranking system. Ranks are displayed in-game and in the player overview of the clan. Administrators and founders of the clan can promote or demote players in the clan at will. However, promoting someone to an officer is only possible by the founder, because officers are not not necessarily administrators. Newly recruited players will automatically get the “recruit” rank assigned.
Ingame tag system
When joining the game as a member of a Regiment, the game will represent the regiments tags + the current rank tags. For example: Clan tag: 882nd; Rank: Private; Name: Hans
Ingame name: 882nd Pvt. Hans
MedalsI like the idea of medals, but I also have a suggestion.
Every player, no matter if he is in a Regiment or not can receive medals for playing.
There will be special medals for special acts. For example, you could get a medal for defending a position against a majority of enemies or for playing the game for a certain time. When getting killed by an enemy, you will be able to see his rank, name, regiment, and his medals. Medals are faction specific, players are not able to get Southern medals when playing the Union and vice versa.
Competitive Play
We very much plan to support competitive Regiment play. We are not completely sure how it is best supported, but for now we plan to have an overall Regiment ranking list, where all regiments are shown with their overall score and victories. Regiment competitions will be organised by Regiments where they will choose a specific engagement (or part of an engagement depending on play count) and fight it out. The winner will receive a point/s which will add on to their total ranking.
Do you think it would be possible to let regiments create their own uniforms for their ingame unit? Stick a crapload of different and historically accurate coats, belts, pants, hats, etc. etc. into a unit editor, and each clan-regiment will be able to make a unique uniform for their ingame unit that they could display and show off on the "Regiments" tab. This would make the clan system even more personalized and intimate, as you won't look anything like the other hundreds of clans in the game. People could look at you and say, "Oh! He has those large silver buckles on the grey belt! He's from the 57th New Jersey!" or something of the like.
If your planning to do a battalion with separate Company's there should be a way to add in the letter or number of the Company into the tags for example: 10th Pvt. G (Username) The G for company G.
Another thing should be an organizing system for the in game regiments. Again, For company's you can have the players sorted by company or any other way you could need.
Third, You should have separate Regiment medals. A way where you can add/remove the medals of a player in the regiment (Not the regular medals. Regiment medals) If they have earned it.
I do not like the idea of a "built in rank system". Regiments should be able to customize their ranks, not being bound to a historical preset.
Alright so after reading this I would like to put in my two cents.Yes, I did read actually. I even said I read. I just wanted to throw my view in. It is an area for discussion after all. ::)
Hello, Sorry to be alittle late to the party but i have to ask. Is there going to be a minimum number of players to start a regiment? Like in RuneScape where you need 4 other people before you can actually create on to prevent a massive number of 1-man Regiments?. And Secondly, for groups in NW like the French Army who I a part of, Will there be a way to link up multiple regiments in a company or battalion with this system or have to stay separate?
Hello community,
So, last night, while laying in bed having one of my almost daily anxiety attacks, I thought of a most novel idea for Battle Cry of Freedom that would be great for the clan/regiment system. Let's say there are these six clan/regiments that are very much in good relation with one another, and want to form an alliance of sorts. The clan/regiments are the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 27th, and 33rd Virginia Infantries and the Rockbridge Artillery Battery. Get where I'm going with this? Would if these clan/regiments were able to form together and create the 1st "Stonewall" Brigade? How awesome would that be? Now, the benefits of doing something, such as this, would allow for the clan/regiments better stability, allow for maybe "Brigade Battles," and people will know who is part of this most famous brigade.
On the note of browsing for clan/regiments, which was mentioned a whileback, when people look for them, they can also have an option to search "Brigades." When searching for a Brigade, a list of all the Brigades will pop (I.E. The "Stonewall" Brigade, Braggs Brigade, Irish Brigade) where the person who is browsing can click on the brigade, and on the side if a dialog box it will have information about the clan/regiments that make up the brigade.
Active Brigades:
1st "Stonewall" Brigade
2nd New York "Braggs" Brigade
Union "Irish" Brigade
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This is the list that would pop up
when you click the "Brigades" tab.1st "Stonewall" Brigade:
Infantry
2nd Virgina Regiment of Volunteers
4th Virgina Regiment of Volunteers
5th Virgina Regiment of Volunteers
27th Virgina Regiment of Volunteers
33rd Virgina Regiment of Volunteers
Cavalry
Artillery
Rockbridge Artillery Battery
The person browsing for a brigade
clicked the "Stonewall Brigade" and
a small dialog came up with the regiments
that are in the Brigade.
I just thought this would be an excellent addition to BCoF. It would make browsing for clan/regiments a little bit easier and it'll allow the person browsing to pick a Brigade they like and a regiment within it. Once accepted into a clan/regiment part of a brigade, the player as well, becomes part of the brigade and is listed in the clan/regiment he is in.
I'd love some feedback from the community. I just thought this would be a most excellent addition to the BCoF "browsing for clan/regiments."
Thanks,
kpets
You're concerned about American things for an American based war?Yes, Americans are free to use it for the European thingyso why shouldn't we be?
Where do you see that Americans use American ranks for European "things?" This is the American Civil War, not the European Civil War.
How did what I said come off as whining? Are you here to instigate another fight? Of course people are allowed to use whatever ranks they want, I simply said that this is the American Civil War, not the European Civil War, thus the main use of American ranks.
Seriously, every time I see you comment, it's some snobby remark to someone.
How did what I said come off as whining? Are you here to instigate another fight? Of course people are allowed to use whatever ranks they want, I simply said that this is the American Civil War, not the European Civil War, thus the main use of American ranks.
Seriously, every time I see you comment, it's some snobby remark to someone.
Just ignore him man, he's only looking for attention. He's like O'Finnigan.
I've been actually curious how this could be implemented into BCoF. Does that mean that the person gets chevrons in game to reflect his rank? (You're a Corporal in an infantry regiment, you get two blue chevrons).