Hype!
Hype?No
Hype?
Question: will these be the only nations available to play?i think those are just the nations that get special bonuses
These are just the nations I had time to write down between closing the poll & going to bed. There'll be more, I just need to work on it.Question: will these be the only nations available to play?i think those are just the nations that get special bonuses
O ok.Papal States will be playable; I don't know, can you?
So can I be the Pope?
Question: will these be the only nations available to play?
Check the BoP: Napoleonic Wars game thread (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=33199.0)Question: will these be the only nations available to play?
Hmm... what nations? Am I not able to see something what everybody else can see?
Hype?
North Africa and Egypt both belonged to the Ottomans at this point. And I also think that Etruria should be owned by the Spanish Empire. Other than that, I think that map looks good for a very rough draft - you might have to change the sizes and shapes of some provinces to make it resemble the map that Furrnox just provided.
Also I think that 3 months is a better round period. That's exactly what I was thinking too. Hopefully with 3 months per round we will finish a BoP.
If it's not on the list, it's not playable. If it is on the list, it is playable.* If you want something not on the list to become playable, ask France to make it playable (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaties_of_Tilsit). ;)
And if we're talking about Poland already. I know it's not on the list
I'm not sure if that blue stuff inside of Germany is French or not with that color (it's supposed to be independent), also Prussia had enclaves inside of Germany. Other than that it looks mostly correct since we don't seem to be doing the smallest German states.i think Volk asked people to help her with the smaller German states because she didn't really know where all of them go
I'm not sure if that blue stuff inside of Germany is French or not with that color (it's supposed to be independent)
Mhm. They kind of did their own thing (mainly get rekt by the Americans & raid a bit) out of sync with whatever Europe or even the Ottomans were doing. They'll still be vassal of Ottomans though.
Also so you decided to make the Barbary states independent even though their sort of part of the Ottoman Empire?
Damn McLovin taking mu beloved Prussia....
Bavaria!
Can one my beloved America?
I can switch with you, but I want a country that is going to be easier to manage because of its size. You don't even understand how tough it is to play as a small nation like Belgium. Almost anyone can destroy them with 10% of their army deployed.Damn McLovin taking mu beloved Prussia....
Bavaria!
Well my beloved UK was taken
I'd like to be Spain, if that's alright?
Pls no backstabbing Furrnox :c
I'd like to be Spain, if that's alright?
Pls no backstabbing Furrnox :c
I'd like to be Spain, if that's alright?
Pls no backstabbing Furrnox :c
It's okay just let me station 100k troops in your country.
I'd like to be Spain, if that's alright?
Pls no backstabbing Furrnox :c
It's okay just let me station 100k troops in your country.
"station"
What countries are available rn?Look at the list you fucking nub
What countries are available rn?Naples Denmark and Portugal
Well we only need now Naples-Sicily, Papal States and Portugal players to begin.we need a Denmark-Norway
By the way, will this feature a world map?
Naples it is
volk did you know the girl in your avatar cant poop because she doesnt have a mouth? So if she cant eat anything she cant poop. But then im also thinking that if she cant eat then she's not gonna be alive for much longer now. RIP
Oh, unfortunate. It looks like it was a birth defect. I dont think her mouth developed enough to be able to insert food in there. Maybe she survives off smoothies with a straw. That would explain her slim figurevolk did you know the girl in your avatar cant poop because she doesnt have a mouth? So if she cant eat anything she cant poop. But then im also thinking that if she cant eat then she's not gonna be alive for much longer now. RIP
She has a mouth if you look close enough, it's pretty much just a dot.
A good example would be like Arseface from PreacherOh, unfortunate. It looks like it was a birth defect. I dont think her mouth developed enough to be able to insert food in there. Maybe she survives off smoothies with a straw. That would explain her slim figurevolk did you know the girl in your avatar cant poop because she doesnt have a mouth? So if she cant eat anything she cant poop. But then im also thinking that if she cant eat then she's not gonna be alive for much longer now. RIP
She has a mouth if you look close enough, it's pretty much just a dot.
Superbad said he would join as Portugal
lies i have screens to proveSuperbad said he would join as Portugal
No I didn't, I'd get taken over in a heart beat. I'd be like Poland circa September 1939...
lies i have screens to proveSuperbad said he would join as Portugal
No I didn't, I'd get taken over in a heart beat. I'd be like Poland circa September 1939...
(https://gyazo.com/d183c5483721d756cc13d7f8dcac691d.png)lies i have screens to proveSuperbad said he would join as Portugal
No I didn't, I'd get taken over in a heart beat. I'd be like Poland circa September 1939...
Oh, do ya now? I give you permission to post these "screens" lol
The notepad literally says "SuperbadIV"...you literally just cahnged your name
but...
seems...
legit...
Map Draft 2(https://i.imgur.com/MyqaGmm.png)[close]
Are fortresses going to be a thing?Elaborate?
I can help you with the troop numbers of German states if you want me to, the sources are in German though but I can give it to you in order to make sure noone gets mad ;) E. g. Bavaria had more troops then most of you have expected so far ayy lmao...but not more than the legendary Sweden
Prussia really wasn't in a good state militarily.That's pretty much a myth, their soldiers were quite well trained and armed, the biggest problem was that their highest officers were quite old.
They were quite small for their size though.Prussia really wasn't in a good state militarily.That's pretty much a myth, their soldiers were quite well trained and armed, the biggest problem was that their highest officers were quite old.
Imo it's better if you find your own history and numbers. It makes the game more enjoyable. Obviously if you can't find anything about your country then you should ask for helpAre fortresses going to be a thing?Elaborate?
Salcos to Papal States, Reznov to Barbary States (sigh), Vald to... snip, Frederik to Saxony. Sorry Rhen, Salcos reserved right before you. If you really want it go talk to him. If not then we still have Etruria & Portugal as well as some of the German states.
So should I stop gathering information or should I continue to gather information but just with your help as well? Regarding the army sizes. Also, navy. I can't seem to be able to find any reliable sources for navy stuff. Nowhere so far do any of my books say "Spain had X ships of the line, Y Frigates". So help with that would be great.
Edit: And Sardinia.
I asked to be the Papal States first but okay ... :'(
I asked to be the Papal States first but okay ... :'(
??? You did?
Can I be the Papal States
Concerning research, I'm not at home this weekend, but I'll do my research about mother Russia as fast as possible after my return home. So I'm still alive ;)
Personally I think that it would be nice if you, Volk, could gather and post at least some basic numbers and informations for everyone to use. More detailed info (rather for role play use) players should of course find themselves, but some basic informations should be available for everyone to avoid situations when each player use different sources and number for the same things.
here are some numbers, although im not sure how accurate they are. it seems like they could only actually raise like 50,000 soldiersConcerning research, I'm not at home this weekend, but I'll do my research about mother Russia as fast as possible after my return home. So I'm still alive ;)
Personally I think that it would be nice if you, Volk, could gather and post at least some basic numbers and informations for everyone to use. More detailed info (rather for role play use) players should of course find themselves, but some basic informations should be available for everyone to avoid situations when each player use different sources and number for the same things.
Yea, some basic info would be nice. As he said, that way each player doesn't end up with a different number each time. Also, it means that we're all balanced out, or as much as possible.
From the little research I've done so far, I cant seem to find any info on the strength of the ottoman army around this time. All I can find is about reforms n stuff. Any idea's/suggestions on sources? It'd be nice to have some solid facts
And Volk, concerning Ottomans, you've written in main game topic, that Ottomans cannot reform their army. Sultan Selim III was the one who tried to reform Ottoman army, he introduced so called New Model Army, changed organisation of military, reduced role of Janissaries, etc. His reforms were one of the reasons of Janissary rebellion and his assassination in 1807. So removing them from the game seems to be strange idea to me. Why have you done so?By reform military I mainly meant tactics/doctine wise. At the start of the war of the third coalition the allied powers all used (by Napoleon's standards) outdated tactics; mainly the super linear way they used infantry (those really still and stagnant Fredericken Lines focused on fire rather than the more attack-focused columns and carres), their disposition towards artillery (Grand Battery & horse artillery), the piecemeal use of cavalry, the whole Frederick era system of logistics, etc. The whole "reform" mechanic is mainly to give France an early edge in the beginning due to new tactics but allows the other powers to catch up.
Any idea when this will start? I'm ready to take over the worldhttps://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=33229.msg1434259#msg1434259
Emperor Napoleon, have you seen this page?
http://www.ottoman-uniforms.com/napoleonic-till-1826-janissary-led-ottoman-army/
It's mostly about uniforms, not a numbers, but maybe you can use their sources to find some more informations. Or at least get some overall idea about Ottomans' army from this period.
And Volk, concerning Ottomans, you've written in main game topic, that Ottomans cannot reform their army. Sultan Selim III was the one who tried to reform Ottoman army, he introduced so called New Model Army, changed organisation of military, reduced role of Janissaries, etc. His reforms were one of the reasons of Janissary rebellion and his assassination in 1807. So removing them from the game seems to be strange idea to me. Why have you done so?
And also I may try to make a simple header tomorrow if you want.
And Volk, concerning Ottomans, you've written in main game topic, that Ottomans cannot reform their army. Sultan Selim III was the one who tried to reform Ottoman army, he introduced so called New Model Army, changed organisation of military, reduced role of Janissaries, etc. His reforms were one of the reasons of Janissary rebellion and his assassination in 1807. So removing them from the game seems to be strange idea to me. Why have you done so?By reform military I mainly meant tactics/doctine wise. At the start of the war of the third coalition the allied powers all used (by Napoleon's standards) outdated tactics; mainly the super linear way they used infantry (those really still and stagnant Fredericken Lines focused on fire rather than the more attack-focused columns and carres), their disposition towards artillery (Grand Battery & horse artillery), the piecemeal use of cavalry, the whole Frederick era system of logistics, etc. The whole "reform" mechanic is mainly to give France an early edge in the beginning due to new tactics but allows the other powers to catch up.
Ottomans did do reforms it is true, mainly the Nizam-ı Cedid reforms, however the new army was both very scarcely used and was almost always impeded by conservative Turk ministers, generals, the Yeniceri, etc. Plus even though they were trained in western tactics, the tactics of the leaders and military overall remained "old". IE over reliance on the initial charge of cavalry like in previous centuries & the Yeniceri corps being the backbone of the infantry with basically levies supporting it. Plus, if the player did try to reform their military to get the Napoleonic tactics bonus, I'd have to do massive Yeniceri rebellions that would distract me from the main affairs of Europe, be nearly impossible for the player (Napoleon) to beat (considering the New Model Army at its peak was about 25,000 strong), and just be another thing on my plate to worry about. I figured I could just simplify matters by just keeping the Ottomans from getting that bonus.
If Napoleon really wants to try the whole reform thing or you guys just want to allow Ottomans to reform I can change it. Just remember that it's another thing I'll have to worry about, mainly because every nation but the Ottoman Empire can reform without having massive rebellions. Keeping the Ottomans from reforming their military doesn't mean I won't do some of the key historical flavor events (like Selim III's assassination), it just means they won't be able to get that +1 bonus in rolls that everyone else might enjoy.
Also Ted Bavaria is bad. Only 33,000 troops. Who even cares if their some of the most highly trained soldiers in Germany
tl:drAre you jealous? :D
I am Ted, I am a proud German, here look at numbers
Nah m8tl:drAre you jealous? :D
I am Ted, I am a proud German, here look at numbers
Can you post your source Ted? I can't seem to find anything even close to those numbers.
Can you post your source Ted? I can't seem to find anything even close to those numbers. I hoghest I found was 37,000 (33000 in the march to Russia, 4,000 stayed back). And only 4,000 made it back from Russia. They did form another army, but that one sucked and got rekt. I couldn't find any troop numbers for that one
Side note: I went to the 5th page of Google. Do you know how scary that is?
im just gonna post do you don't double post and get banned :PCan you post your source Ted? I can't seem to find anything even close to those numbers. I hoghest I found was 37,000 (33000 in the march to Russia, 4,000 stayed back). And only 4,000 made it back from Russia. They did form another army, but that one sucked and got rekt. I couldn't find any troop numbers for that one
Side note: I went to the 5th page of Google. Do you know how scary that is?
Yup, I'm going to post it after dinner ;) :)
im just gonna post do you don't double post and get banned :P
Here you go, but as I told you the stuff is in German :P
http://www.napoleon-online.de/armee_bayern_infanterie1812.html
http://www.napoleonwiki.de/index.php?title=Bayerische_Armee_(1809)
http://www.napoleonwiki.de/index.php?title=Bayerische_Armee
http://www.bayerische-staatszeitung.de/staatszeitung/unser-bayern/detailansicht-unser-bayern/artikel/thraenen-und-wehmut.html
https://books.google.de/books?id=wNMjCQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=de#v=onepage&q&f=false
And information about the Bavarian army given in the following books:
Alois Schmid & Katharina Weigand "Bayern mitten in Europa - Vom Frühmittelalter bis ins 20.Jhd"
Thomas Schuler: "'Napoleon und Bayern"
Eckart Kleßmann: "Die Verlorenen - Die Soldaten in Napoleons Rußlandfeldzug"
Andreas Platthaus: "1813 Die Völkerschlacht und das Ende der Welt"
Dominic Lieven: "Russland gegen Napoleon"
+ dozens of other books, but the five listed above are my main sources for the Bavarian situation during the Napoleonic Wars.
However let me make this clear here: Bavaria never moved more then 45.000 men into the field in ONE army during the Napoleonic Wars (at least as far as I am aware of), but the Bavarian army itself was much larger. English sources tend to use the 33k-35k (depends on the source) Bavarian soldiers that took part in Russia as if they were the whole Bavarian army - in fact, they were not. These 35k were the soldiers under direct French command, but not the whole Bavarian army. There were multiple thousands of regular soldiers in Tirol as well as in the Bavarian mainland - plus the Gebirgsschützen and other things. Only a fool would send all men far away when you still have possible enemies - e. g. Austria - on your borders.
You're getting 30k, at most 30 & some change. I don't see where you're getting these imaginary 30 thousand standing Bavarians, all of my sources and yours say that the Bavarian army was about 30k & some change strong.
I think the "ghost" 30k you're referring to are the men raised to replenish losses of the Bavarian army. In which case yes Bavaria raised 60+ thousand men throughout the Napoleonic Wars but really the army (as a whole) never cracked the 40k limit. Plus this is all after conquests, treaties, & awesome reforms including conscription reforms that Bavaria undertook, so really at start, January 1804, you're army is about/slightly under 30k. Obviously it will grow/wane following game events. At the moment (start) your army's in the 20-30k range & can grow obv based on game events. This isn't power gaming either, it's just history.
Or you can go ahead and raise 60k or more men ignoring history, at which case don't rage when you lose men & can't replenish because you used up all your manpower. ( Remember we're only playing about 10 years Cough coughEU4 HoI4)
Same kinda goes for everyone. "Men raised" is over the whole period of the Napoleonic Wars, but "King of Bavaria and his 22 thousand bayonets" is that many at that time.
the Swedish army, at its peak, had 64k. All volunteer if I remember correctly and with a smaller overall population (3.4 million).You're getting 30k, at most 30 & some change. I don't see where you're getting these imaginary 30 thousand standing Bavarians, all of my sources and yours say that the Bavarian army was about 30k & some change strong.
I think the "ghost" 30k you're referring to are the men raised to replenish losses of the Bavarian army. In which case yes Bavaria raised 60+ thousand men throughout the Napoleonic Wars but really the army (as a whole) never cracked the 40k limit. Plus this is all after conquests, treaties, & awesome reforms including conscription reforms that Bavaria undertook, so really at start, January 1804, you're army is about/slightly under 30k. Obviously it will grow/wane following game events. At the moment (start) your army's in the 20-30k range & can grow obv based on game events. This isn't power gaming either, it's just history.
Or you can go ahead and raise 60k or more men ignoring history, at which case don't rage when you lose men & can't replenish because you used up all your manpower. ( Remember we're only playing about 10 years Cough coughEU4 HoI4)
Same kinda goes for everyone. "Men raised" is over the whole period of the Napoleonic Wars, but "King of Bavaria and his 22 thousand bayonets" is that many at that time.
I'm fine with this. But just to make this history-wise clear, Bavaria was running on some kind of conscription-madness where they recruited tons of people although they had only 4 Million citizens. The army was in fact as large as I said, but as you said if they would have lost these 60k they would have had real problems to reinforce.
They sent only 33k to Russia (this number allready has the 1812 reinforcements counted in), but they still had troops left.
At the start of the game Bavaria still is an Electorate anyways and therefore far away from the strong Kingdom-times - but I just wanted to point out the real numbers of the Bavarian army on its peak to BabyJ ;) Doesn't mean that you would have 60k on the start, this would be false indeed.
the Swedish army, at its peak, had 64k. All volunteer if I remember correctly and with a smaller overall population (3.4 million).You're getting 30k, at most 30 & some change. I don't see where you're getting these imaginary 30 thousand standing Bavarians, all of my sources and yours say that the Bavarian army was about 30k & some change strong.
I think the "ghost" 30k you're referring to are the men raised to replenish losses of the Bavarian army. In which case yes Bavaria raised 60+ thousand men throughout the Napoleonic Wars but really the army (as a whole) never cracked the 40k limit. Plus this is all after conquests, treaties, & awesome reforms including conscription reforms that Bavaria undertook, so really at start, January 1804, you're army is about/slightly under 30k. Obviously it will grow/wane following game events. At the moment (start) your army's in the 20-30k range & can grow obv based on game events. This isn't power gaming either, it's just history.
Or you can go ahead and raise 60k or more men ignoring history, at which case don't rage when you lose men & can't replenish because you used up all your manpower. ( Remember we're only playing about 10 years Cough coughEU4 HoI4)
Same kinda goes for everyone. "Men raised" is over the whole period of the Napoleonic Wars, but "King of Bavaria and his 22 thousand bayonets" is that many at that time.
I'm fine with this. But just to make this history-wise clear, Bavaria was running on some kind of conscription-madness where they recruited tons of people although they had only 4 Million citizens. The army was in fact as large as I said, but as you said if they would have lost these 60k they would have had real problems to reinforce.
They sent only 33k to Russia (this number allready has the 1812 reinforcements counted in), but they still had troops left.
At the start of the game Bavaria still is an Electorate anyways and therefore far away from the strong Kingdom-times - but I just wanted to point out the real numbers of the Bavarian army on its peak to BabyJ ;) Doesn't mean that you would have 60k on the start, this would be false indeed.
I've been actually reading quite a bit if the Napoleonic wars stuff. The whole conversation was just baiting you for sources. You fell right into my trap :P
However, better stop using wikipedia-articles as source for troop numbers. It's just a no, a no aaaand... a no. See, taking numbers for armies due to the strength of one fieldarmy would be the same as if you scaled the modern British army down to 10.000 men because the British army had 10.000 men during the Falklands War according to Wikipedia.
And especially @Volk: Troops taking part in one campaign/one operation and the actual armysize at the time are two COMPLETLY different things. There are no "ghost"-troops, but troops in action and reserves.
However, better stop using wikipedia-articles as source for troop numbers. It's just a no, a no aaaand... a no. See, taking numbers for armies due to the strength of one fieldarmy would be the same as if you scaled the modern British army down to 10.000 men because the British army had 10.000 men during the Falklands War according to Wikipedia.what the are you on about?
And especially @Volk: Troops taking part in one campaign/one operation and the actual armysize at the time are two COMPLETLY different things. There are no "ghost"-troops, but troops in action and reserves.
And this is why I wasn't hyped to see Volk back. Once again her stupidity reigns supreme."i killed volk xd"
I'd like to participate as Portugal. If this is not possible, I'd like to play sardiniaPortugal's open I think.
I expect us Frenchies will have huge bonuses? I mean since it took almost all the major nations of Europe to defeat Napoleon and his France.They do. Unless I forgot to update the thread battle wise.
If France isn't OP than what's the point?
Can I reserve Portugal?Portugal was just taken earlier today :-\ You can talk to "Nightdragger" or pick another nation...
Anyone got some sources regarding Barbary States?
I think reznov was referring to books considering the internet is quite untrustworthyThat's why I gave him a google scholar link.
Nativemann reserves the Swiss Confederation.That woman on your avatar is asian. Asian people develop tiny noses
Although I advise him to switch to something slightly less annexable, like Etruria.
That woman in my avatar is actually Russian, I just had to drastically shrink and cut off half the picture because she's so tall. If FSE had bigger avatars this wouldn't be a problem :'(Nativemann reserves the Swiss Confederation.That woman on your avatar is asian. Asian people develop tiny noses
Although I advise him to switch to something slightly less annexable, like Etruria.
Russia is in AsiaThat woman in my avatar is actually Russian, I just had to drastically shrink and cut off half the picture because she's so tall. If FSE had bigger avatars this wouldn't be a problem :'(Nativemann reserves the Swiss Confederation.That woman on your avatar is asian. Asian people develop tiny noses
Although I advise him to switch to something slightly less annexable, like Etruria.
That woman in my avatar is actually Russian, I just had to drastically shrink and cut off half the picture because she's so tall. If FSE had bigger avatars this wouldn't be a problem :'(Nativemann reserves the Swiss Confederation.That woman on your avatar is asian. Asian people develop tiny noses
Although I advise him to switch to something slightly less annexable, like Etruria.
Edit: Still looking for a header. I'm still receiving information and PM's daily so I may do one last edit to the game map. (HRE yet again) Though I do admit, I am hesitant to waste any more time on the HRE since it'll probably just implode, get annexed by human players, or Confederation of the Rhine'd.
"Well if they raid me I will tear them apart" - Furrnox aka Napoleon Bonaparte 2016like you would have the time or navy to deal with them
Before trafalgar Napoleon had a pretty decent navy.
Before trafalgar Napoleon had a pretty decent navy.Brtains navy will keep you a little occupied
Game Start.
In a recent turn of events his Majesty, King Frederick William III, King of Prussia would like to address the following:
- He invites the Duchy of Warsaw to sign an alliance.
This ^Beside that, fact that many players immediatelly start to reform their countries somehow bothers me...In a recent turn of events his Majesty, King Frederick William III, King of Prussia would like to address the following:
- He invites the Duchy of Warsaw to sign an alliance.
This ^Beside that, fact that many players immediatelly start to reform their countries somehow bothers me...In a recent turn of events his Majesty, King Frederick William III, King of Prussia would like to address the following:
- He invites the Duchy of Warsaw to sign an alliance.
I am aware of the fact that it will take ages, but I think Austria, since they got rekt multiple times by french troops, is in a position where uts leaders should be aware of the fact that their troops need change.Mack will change your organization. Don't worry
I am aware of the fact that it will take ages, but I think Austria, since they got rekt multiple times by french troops, is in a position where uts leaders should be aware of the fact that their troops need change.Mack will change your organization. Don't worry
Did Switzerland just offer support to France and seek a trade agreement with Austria at the same time? Interesting.....idk it's not like France and Austria are at war. Yet.
I'll give you a pass to heaven if you convert back to Catholicism, and then we'll go Crusade or somethingew religion
Nativeman, do me proud as Switzerland. Show this rabble the power of the great jew nation!A man can dream!
QuoteQuoteUpdate?
Erm... just a heads up, the crowning of Napoleon with the Iron Crown of Lombardy is supposed to be something that shocks Europe and is a reaction event. So... you know...pshh who cares about that! We gotta get hat Sweden guy for trading worth one of the richest nations and most powerful nation the world1111
react?
So even though the starting date is January 1st 1805, I accidentally mistyped and put the date 1 year back, ie 1804. I fixed now, no big problem. It's still 1805.
I have to stop typing at night.
Rly? I thought that it was still 1804.
i thought we were starting in 1804. I definitely would have acted different considering Sweden cut all diplomatic ties with France and started to support the Coalition...........................................................................................After events (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Crown_of_Lombardy#History) that haven't happened yet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligurian_Republic) or are occurring right now.
Rly? I thought that it was still 1804.
Nope, it's 1805. Salcos brought up why half my posts are 1805 while the starting event was 1804. I published starting event right before going to bed so I must've mistyped.
Nothing's changed obv. Just a few digits to the starting date.
Historically that happens in 1-2 turns, because France (Furrnox) has yet to do some stuff yet that historically causes Europe to go "Yep time to war now" and there's no "Coalition" yet. (Get on that)
Wait, so if the starting date is January 1805, shouldn't France be at war with Austria, Naples-Sicily, Russia and Sweden - not only Britian?
no
Rly? I thought that it was still 1804.
Nope, it's 1805. Salcos brought up why half my posts are 1805 while the starting event was 1804. I published starting event right before going to bed so I must've mistyped.
Nothing's changed obv. Just a few digits to the starting date.
Wait, so if the starting date is January 1805, shouldn't France be at war with Austria, Naples-Sicily, Russia and Sweden - not only Britian?
There is one problem I thought of. If we are going to do 4 turns (of 3 months) per year, that means starting from January 1804, say, game end of December 1815, difference is about 12 years, so 4 x 12 is... 48 turns?And before that on page 2
I've also decided on the first possible start date of the game, which is January of 1804.
I have added a link to the title "Treaties". Clicking on it leads to a spreadsheet where I will detail diplomatic relations between nations. For example, wars, trade agreements, truces, non-aggression pacts, etc. This is just to help all of you and I remember and organize who's trading with who, who non-aggression pact'd who, etc.
Only public diplomatic relations will be put on the spreadsheet I have linked.
I have added a link to the title "Treaties". Clicking on it leads to a spreadsheet where I will detail diplomatic relations between nations. For example, wars, trade agreements, truces, non-aggression pacts, etc. This is just to help all of you and I remember and organize who's trading with who, who non-aggression pact'd who, etc.
Only public diplomatic relations will be put on the spreadsheet I have linked.
Where did my Trade Agreements with Switzerland, Saxony and Portugal go? :o
I know you will do well my child. Just do what I did; abuse the shit out of Volk's lack of knowledge.Nativeman, do me proud as Switzerland. Show this rabble the power of the great jew nation!A man can dream!
I believe you've made your point about Volk. Shouldn't you be taking care of your 'personal problems' instead of criticizing others about something that you couldn't do yourself?I know you will do well my child. Just do what I did; abuse the shit out of Volk's lack of knowledge.Nativeman, do me proud as Switzerland. Show this rabble the power of the great jew nation!A man can dream!
I believe you've made your point about Volk. Shouldn't you be taking care of your 'personal problems' instead of criticizing others about something that you couldn't do yourself?
Im relevantno. Ur not
I liked those but if you think it's mindless effort then no.
It's your game, make the choices...
The Austrian Empire would like to accept all Trade Agreements(Portugal, Prussia).
We also begin to reform our military, as it is clear after the defeats in Italy changes have to be made!
Austria accepts all Trade Agreements that were offered.
[img height=150]LINK TO THE FLAG[/img]
We should do a Pike and Shotte BoP next set in the 30 years war in Europe.
You know what, I got a lot of time to kill: Batavian Republic please. If I am permitted to play that is.Oh no, the Jew is back! (said the only real Jew here)
Native man is my true nation, but he was first and I respect that. He will carry on my legacy as the great jew of our times.You know what, I got a lot of time to kill: Batavian Republic please. If I am permitted to play that is.Oh no, the Jew is back! (said the only real Jew here)
I'll keep her alive for 'ya.Native man is my true nation, but he was first and I respect that. He will carry on my legacy as the great jew of our times.You know what, I got a lot of time to kill: Batavian Republic please. If I am permitted to play that is.Oh no, the Jew is back! (said the only real Jew here)
You know what, I got a lot of time to kill: Batavian Republic please. If I am permitted to play that is.
Well shit xDYou know what, I got a lot of time to kill: Batavian Republic please. If I am permitted to play that is.*France intergrates the Batavian Republic. xD
France was actually afk. That's why the game was ruined. That is a little different than posts like caz's. I worked pretty closely with caz in 1914 (like honestly how did people actually think Ethiopia became a tech power on their own?). He responded to almost all my pms and he posted when he needs to.We should do a Pike and Shotte BoP next set in the 30 years war in Europe.
Ffs we have just started this BoP....
@BabyJ nope, I was referring to the players because DoctorWarband had allready posted something that covered my opinion on the matter, that's why I quoted him.
And yes, things like this killed our games before. A major power going rather afk and posting only two or three sentences per turn instead of taking part in actual diplomacy is completly breaking the game. Remember what happened when France went afk during the last BoP....
And @McLovin: Bold your actions please ::)
France was actually afk. That's why the game was ruined. That is a little different than posts like caz's. I worked pretty closely with caz in 1914 (like honestly how did people actually think Ethiopia became a tech power on their own?). He responded to almost all my pms and he posted when he needs to.We should do a Pike and Shotte BoP next set in the 30 years war in Europe.
Ffs we have just started this BoP....
@BabyJ nope, I was referring to the players because DoctorWarband had allready posted something that covered my opinion on the matter, that's why I quoted him.
And yes, things like this killed our games before. A major power going rather afk and posting only two or three sentences per turn instead of taking part in actual diplomacy is completly breaking the game. Remember what happened when France went afk during the last BoP....
And @McLovin: Bold your actions please ::)
Now it's kinda funny that you of all people are talking about ruining games. Multiple times you over complicated plans have led to huge issues. Too much details kills games much faster than too little detail.
Note: I had a different response typed out but I lost connection and the post was deleted. It was better written imo.
Some type of middle ground is probably best tbh
in all seriousness I don't mind if you want to play the Batavian Republic.Aye that it is
But it's volks decision though.
Hmm can i have a great admiral? I found a Swedish admiral that was actually pretty good.
He was responsible for Sweden's victory in one of the largest naval battles in history, and the largest one in Baltic Sea history. Swedes were largely outnumbered and won a decisive victory. A1 if you ask me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Olof_Cronstedt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Olof_Cronstedt)
give +1 plz. its not like i have any other good people :(
in that siege, he also had some of the worst conditions possible. and if it really is that big of a deal jsut give him +1 for sea skillz and a -1 for siegesHmm can i have a great admiral? I found a Swedish admiral that was actually pretty good.
He was responsible for Sweden's victory in one of the largest naval battles in history, and the largest one in Baltic Sea history. Swedes were largely outnumbered and won a decisive victory. A1 if you ask me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Olof_Cronstedt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Olof_Cronstedt)
give +1 plz. its not like i have any other good people :(
He also surrendered half the Swedish navy without battle in the siege of Sveaborg (1808) and was considered a traitor after that..
Then again that wasn't a battle and he did win Sweden the largest naval battle in Swedish history..
So I guess +1?
in that siege, he also had some of the worst conditions possible. and if it really is that big of a deal jsut give him +1 for sea skillz and a -1 for siegesHmm can i have a great admiral? I found a Swedish admiral that was actually pretty good.
He was responsible for Sweden's victory in one of the largest naval battles in history, and the largest one in Baltic Sea history. Swedes were largely outnumbered and won a decisive victory. A1 if you ask me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Olof_Cronstedt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Olof_Cronstedt)
give +1 plz. its not like i have any other good people :(
He also surrendered half the Swedish navy without battle in the siege of Sveaborg (1808) and was considered a traitor after that..
Then again that wasn't a battle and he did win Sweden the largest naval battle in Swedish history..
So I guess +1?
Based on what I've seen & heard of B-Scot & his attitude since being back, as well as prior knowledge, I've decided admitting B-Scot is not in the best interest of the BoP. He can ask again later.
Also, whenever you all are ready I can update. I still see people setting up diplomatic relations, so whenever I get a general "Okay" I'll update.
well with how your currently acting you would just cause problems. I mean go back and look at the posts you made since this bop started. Tbh your acting pretty childish right now, and that's coming from meBased on what I've seen & heard of B-Scot & his attitude since being back, as well as prior knowledge, I've decided admitting B-Scot is not in the best interest of the BoP. He can ask again later.
Yo Doctor, you own me! Told you I'd struck a nerve! Seems I didn't hit hard enough though because she came back after saying s/he never would return.
Dude get a gf lolBased on what I've seen & heard of B-Scot & his attitude since being back, as well as prior knowledge, I've decided admitting B-Scot is not in the best interest of the BoP. He can ask again later.
Yo Doctor, you own me! Told you I'd struck a nerve! Seems I didn't hit hard enough though because she came back after saying s/he never would return.
Also, whenever you all are ready I can update. I still see people setting up diplomatic relations, so whenever I get a general "Okay" I'll update.
I'm also quite ready for on update.
well with how your currently acting you would just cause problems. I mean go back and look at the posts you made since this bop started. Tbh your acting pretty childish right now, and that's coming from meShall we have a look at some of the serial offenders that are often causing mayhem and yet are aloud back in? I am simply sowing discord and pointing out the mass floors all over the shop.
Expected as much.Based on what I've seen & heard of B-Scot & his attitude since being back, as well as prior knowledge, I've decided admitting B-Scot is not in the best interest of the BoP. He can ask again later.
Yo Doctor, you own me! Told you I'd struck a nerve! Seems I didn't hit hard enough though because she came back after saying s/he never would return.
I think I'm ready for an updatei take it back I'm not ready yet
i take it back I am readyI think I'm ready for an updatei take it back I'm not ready yet
We should do a Pike and Shotte BoP next set in the 30 years war in Europe.I love you
So can we all now start demanding additional bonuses because some of our historical commanders have won some battles? If we're already taking about navy, Fyodor Ushakov have never lost a battle and never even lost any ship for example.i never "demanded" anything I asked nicely :P. But anyways I think one of the reasons that volk was more willing to give me a bonus was because of Swedens lack of bonuses and close great power status. Like France has so many good generals, but obviously you won't give all of them bonuses. Also be won the biggest naval battle in Baltic Sea history. Get rekt Russia (I'm referring to his win over Russia not you, plz no take wrong way)
Concerning style of an update, I believe it's totally up to you. What I would disilke would be this "american newspaper" style, in which mightiest rulers of the world would be called "those europeans". But I believe that I've recently read some articles from English press from this period, and they were quite nice. A lot of "Their Majesties", etc. Anyway, surprise us with something nice ;)
I feel like only the great powers of Europe, like Russia, Austria, the UK, France, Prussia and the Ottomans should be given bonuses. Else the game gets messed up.sweden is great because Sweden is good
Nah Sweden's days are long goneits only been like 100 years
Isn't it winter rn which means no recruiting?no shh
Isn't it winter rn which means no recruiting?RIP
Better Ted?
Nah Sweden's days are long goneits only been like 100 years
And also you missed the Hilary reference. :-[
and denmark was up there toNah Sweden's days are long goneits only been like 100 years
And also you missed the Hilary reference. :-[
Keep politics to the politics thread, KAPPA.
McLovin seems to be forgetting the fact that they're one of Europes main supplies of timber, iron and other naval supplies.
Fuck you man Sweden stronk. ;)swedish navy sucks. idk what your on about. they have good crews and stuff but not enough ships to capitalizeNah Sweden's days are long goneits only been like 100 years
And also you missed the Hilary reference. :-[
Keep politics to the politics thread, KAPPA.
McLovin seem to be forgetting the Swedish navy.
And the fact that they're one of Europes main supplies of timber, iron and other naval supplies.
#Update
Ted, question. Was Bavaria still with Austria at this time or were they with France?
Right. I'm ready for an update.
Right. I'm ready for an update.
+1
Right. I'm ready for an update.
+1
What a cringe fest
mclovin watches anime everyday. He told me irl when I went to the UKWhat a cringe fest
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mclovin watches anime everyday. He told me irl when I went to the UKWhat a cringe fest
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Update hype?yes
Pretty dank update.I like this style of update better than 1914's. I must say my hat comes off.
It is indeed the doctrine modifier, I don't know why it says Season twice. Small change, have fixed. Apologies for confusion.
But it doesn't make any sense seeing, that in all battles two last elements were different, so they cannot be the same season modifier. Shouldn't the last one be Doctrine modifier?
Yes, please.It is indeed the doctrine modifier, I don't know why it says Season twice. Small change, have fixed. Apologies for confusion.
But it doesn't make any sense seeing, that in all battles two last elements were different, so they cannot be the same season modifier. Shouldn't the last one be Doctrine modifier?
Edit: Just another thought. Should I change the Dice value from a D10 to a D30? When I was doing the naval battles and when I simulated other battles, I noticed that it was a bit hard to get a definitive and clear victor because the numbers are so low or so close together. Making it a D30 would allow more values in between and make more battles actually significant.
It would effectively triple the amount of possible casualties though.
Logic is for the weak, real men of 19th century followed their hearts. Romanticism, you ever heard of it?Isn't romanticism after Napoleon?
Everybody forgot about Denmark...who?Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fruskino.ru%2Ffilm%2F1012%2Fkadr%2F45988.jpg&hash=9d5b24c866d7842a3f43f515c6023f58f7455c89)[close]
I should've joined in on the fun :/You could join later as a new nation (Poland or something) if you don't want to play as a French Client state. It's not as hard as it looks
I wouldn't know what I'd be doing
When roleplay falls apart I cry :'(
I think people who just make non/bad rp wars should get penalties hue hue.
I should've joined in on the fun :/You could join later as a new nation (Poland or something) if you don't want to play as a French Client state. It's not as hard as it looks
I wouldn't know what I'd be doing
Cazasar is Austria though? ???I should've joined in on the fun :/You could join later as a new nation (Poland or something) if you don't want to play as a French Client state. It's not as hard as it looks
I wouldn't know what I'd be doing
He's playing austria. Austria as a Frnech Client state? Ofc, shure
I'd want to be a nation where I can stay neutral so I can learn the basics and shit
I'd want to be a nation where I can stay neutral so I can learn the basics and shitHe could be the United States, but really all he'd do is be a useless ghost posting and not having an actual impact on the game. Even if the War of 1812 happened, since everything would just be happening off the map with no real input. More of a spectator really.
morocco had a war with the uSI'd want to be a nation where I can stay neutral so I can learn the basics and shitHe could be the United States, but really all he'd do is be a useless ghost posting and not having an actual impact on the game. Even if the War of 1812 happened, since everything would just be happening off the map with no real input. More of a spectator really.
There's also Morocco. But you know, Morocco.
The Barbary States had a war with the US, Morocco was the first nation to recognize America as a country. They're also the nation with the only unbroken friendship with America, no wars or anything between them.morocco had a war with the uSI'd want to be a nation where I can stay neutral so I can learn the basics and shitHe could be the United States, but really all he'd do is be a useless ghost posting and not having an actual impact on the game. Even if the War of 1812 happened, since everything would just be happening off the map with no real input. More of a spectator really.
There's also Morocco. But you know, Morocco.
Is it time to make America great again?It is time to make America great. Not again. To mame it for the first time!
Changed dice value to a D-30. That should make things more pitched.rip napoleons. Opness
As we're already talking about dices and battle rules. I want to bring here something you've explained to me in PW, as it still seems to me strange I'd like others to express their opinions.
According to your equation, result of dice roll shows percent of troops player loses after battle. And that's fine. But it means, that if one player uses, for example 100k troops, while the other only 10k and they both get, lets say, 15 on the dice, then first player looses 15k men, while the other only 1,5k. It means, that having more troops is disadvantage in the battle, as you may lose much more units in single battle. And, a bit hypothetically of course, it would be wiser to send 1 man to the battle and keep 99 999 men as reserve for next battles, than to use whole 100k, as this one man will kill the same amount of enemies as would 100k.
Wouldn't it me more realistic, if result of the roll showed how many of your men achieved to kill one of the enemies? Then player with 100k would kill 15k of enemy men, and player with 10k would kill 1,5k. Equation would be of course changed a bit then, to allow situations where army kills more men that it has itself. Smaller army may still win the battle and force the enemy to fall back and slower their movements by having larger result of dice roll, but even then it would be much less probable to totally destroy bigger army (yet, historically correct, it would still be possible with series of lucky rolls in following battles). What do you guys think about such idea?
Changed dice value to a D-30. That should make things more pitched.
I did triple the D-10 to a D-30. For balance I could just triple everything else as well. IE Napoleon = +9, Doctrine = +3, etc.Changed dice value to a D-30. That should make things more pitched.
I really think Napoleon should be given a better modfier as well then. Wellington said Napoleon on the battlefield was worth forty thousand men, so let's give Napoleon something better then his current bonus. +9 or +10 would be legit according to the old bonus/dice ratio.
Over all every bonus should be raised due to the new D30 in my opinion.
I did triple the D-10 to a D-30. For balance I could just triple everything else as well. IE Napoleon = +9, Doctrine = +3, etc.Changed dice value to a D-30. That should make things more pitched.
I really think Napoleon should be given a better modfier as well then. Wellington said Napoleon on the battlefield was worth forty thousand men, so let's give Napoleon something better then his current bonus. +9 or +10 would be legit according to the old bonus/dice ratio.
Over all every bonus should be raised due to the new D30 in my opinion.
pls doI did triple the D-10 to a D-30. For balance I could just triple everything else as well. IE Napoleon = +9, Doctrine = +3, etc.Changed dice value to a D-30. That should make things more pitched.
I really think Napoleon should be given a better modfier as well then. Wellington said Napoleon on the battlefield was worth forty thousand men, so let's give Napoleon something better then his current bonus. +9 or +10 would be legit according to the old bonus/dice ratio.
Over all every bonus should be raised due to the new D30 in my opinion.
So Napoleon would automaticaly kill 12% of every army? Sick idea for me, I vote against. If I were you I would rather change addition to multiplying to balance bonuses. Equation would be then??? But 3 x 3 = 9 not 12? Honestly Raddeo, your math isn't making sense to me in numerous sections. It looks like you're trying to find the % of damage an army receives instead of the % of damage an army gives? It feels like it's making something simple into something overly complicated.
result = roll * (1 + bonuses)
and give 0.3 to Napoleon, 0.1 to doctrine, etc. Then, if he rolls 30 so the battle goes especially well, he would indeed kill additional 12%. But if he rolls 1 and the battle goes like a shit, he would kill almost no additional units. That's what I would consider to do if I were you. But even then I believe these bonuses would be too huge. 12% can easily win any war.
Napoleon is suppose to be op. Especially when you consider half of Europe declared war on him and completely ignores when one nation attacks their ships
#StillSaltyAboutLackofRP
Ah I see what you did. It is kind of like the equation I made for BoP 1914. What I did not understand was how you used your Roll to determine casualties and Battle Result. I understand your "2nd equation(?)" now, as in how Roll is applied to determine casualties.
Concerning the second equation - in fact it's your equation that find damage army receives. For it's percent of soldiers that will be killed.
me_after_battle = me_before_battle - (enemy_roll * me_before_battle)
That's your equation (or at least you claimed so in PW). Percent is multiplicated by army that receives damage. So it's damage received, even though bonuses are from side that deals damage. That's how math works. Army A rolls for damage received by army B. It's percent of soldiers that receive damage (roll is 15, so 15% of B's army is killed, so army B receives damage of 15%). In equation proposed by me
me_after_battle = me_before_battle - (enemy_roll * enemy_before_battle)
roll is damage dealt by an army. Army A rolls for damage given to army B (roll is 15, so 15% of A's soldiers achieved to kill one enemy, so army A gives damage of 15%).
im happy im not a gm
Fuck math.Thats why I dropped out
Fuck math.Thats why I dropped out
he dropped out of lifeFuck math.Thats why I dropped out
Game or school?
he dropped out of lifeFuck math.Thats why I dropped out
Game or school?
Edited the coalition to include Austria also.yay
Mistake when typing it..
Edited the coalition to include Austria also.Updated Austria's relations in spreadsheet. (Remind me to update alliances. Spreadsheets on mobile don't allow custom colors)
Mistake when typing it..
By the message I've received from you, Volk, I believe that I'm allowed (or even encouraged) to continue my little mathematical-historical lecture here. You are not aware what kind of demon you've awaken by encouraging me to speak there :D
Are you aware, that your example with Battle of Austerlitz is totally wrong? It is wrong not because you've based your equation on this battle - it's wrong, for you use your own equation to calculate rolls of both sides, and then you claim that they don't fit into my equation. You start with your equation, then calculate roll out of it, and then once more put this roll into the same equation. No matter what battle you take, it will seem correct, for you calulate totally nothing. Your whole calculations can be shortened to 1=1, so they are true no matter what strengths and loses you put at the beginning, no matter what you do. You basically use your own equation to prove that it's correct. So whole your proof is based on the assumption, that it's correct. You assume that your equation is correct, and then you use this assumption to prove that it's correct. That's something that cannot be done in math, it's middle school level of mathematics. Below I present you mathematical proof, that your calculations are wrong.SpoilerI'm using here following symbols:
A - strenght of one army before the battle
B- strenght of second army before the battle
x_A - roll of army A
x_B - roll of army B
A' - strenght of army A after the battle
B' - strenght of army B after the battle
A' = A - (A * x_b) that's your basic equation to calculate number of troops after the battle
A - A' = A * x_b just some transfomations
x_b = A/A - A'/A that's the very equation that gave you rolls of 42 and 13 for the battle of Austerlitz
now let's place it back in your original equation (so we'll do what you've done to "calculate" loses of both sides and "prove" your equation to be correct)
A' = A - (A * x_b) we start with basic equation of course and put there calculated x_b
A' = A - (A * (A/A - A'/A))
A' = A - (A - A') we've multiplied the inner bracket
A' = A - A + A' we're almost there
A' = A' no matter what numbers we put in your logic, result is always A' = A', so it's correct no matter of used numbers. Thus you've proved nothing.[close]
But I've done something else, about what I've not thought before. I've indeed simulated 100 000 battles using our both equations, input data from battle of Austerlitz and pseudo-random generator to simulate D30 rolls. Then I've calculated avarage result of the battle using both equations. Below I present the results of this simulationSpoilerFirstly I've simulated it using D30 only, without any additional bonuses
France by Volk: 56293
Russia by Volk: 72495
France by Raddeo: 53637
Russia by Raddeo: 74311
France by History: 58000
Russia by History: 49400
How we can see, none of our equations can simulate results of this battle.
Secondly, I've added proposed bonuses - with addition for your equation, and multiplying for mine. I've assumed that it's summer, leaders are Bonaparte and Alexander, battle takes place outside Russia and only France uses new tactics. So to sum up, +12 for France and - 9 for Russia in your equation, and *1.4 for France and *0.7 for Russia in mine. Here are the results.
France by Volk: 67041
Russia by Volk: 60892
France by Raddeo: 57713
Russia by Raddeo: 70417
France by History: 58000
Russia by History: 49400
My equation achieved to quite well calculate loses of French side, but failed to calulate loses of bigger Russian army. Your equation gave almost no loses to France (due to huge negative "bonus" for Russia), but achieved to simulate overall proportion of troops after the battle.
But to gain better view at the real ability of equations to simulate battle I've performer several additional tests, this time only in the second version, using all bonuses.
Battle of Leipzig
France by Volk: 199603
Coalition by Volk: 271942
France by Raddeo: 172817
Coalition by Raddeo: 327569
France by History: 167000
Coalition by History: 326000
My equation almost perfectly calculated forces after the battle. Yours missed a bit more and gave better results to the weaker side. I gave bonuses for Napoleon and Tactics to France, and reduced roll for Coalition for Russians outside Russia and for Alexander, but gave them +1 (according to old notation) for Schwazenberg and austrian units (to make them a little stronger than clear russian army).
Battle of Jena-Auerstedt
France by Volk: 57253
Prussia by Volk: 89445
France by Raddeo: 48599
Prussia by Raddeo: 105793
France by History: 60170
Prussia by History: 82500
This time your equation achieved to better simulate the battle, results after battle are quite close to real outcome. My equation created bigger gap between fighting armies.
Battle of Landshut
Austria by Volk: 30989
France by Volk: 55351
Austria by Raddeo: 21253
France by Raddeo: 69046
Austria by History: 26500
France by History: 74000
My equation was much closer to the historical results, as it was battle won by stronger force which is always prefered by my equation.
Finally, battle of Waterloo
France by Volk: 54259
UK by Volk: 86498
France by Raddeo: 49642
UK by Raddeo: 102676
France by History: 32000
UK by History: 94000
This time, both our results have missed a bit. But mine gave bigger advantage to winning side, while your helped losing one.[close]
So as we can clearly see - it's not possible to correctly calculate results of every battle (or even just major battles) with such simple equations. Results of battle depends on multiple factors - used tactics, generals, technology, weather, terrain, condition of troops, and many, many more. If you wish Volk, I could try to mathematically create such equation basing it on multiple historical battles, but job of GM to balance the factions then would be indeed terrible. For now, all those factors are simulated by D30 roll. Differently, amount of troops is not random, so it should be in logical way included into the mechanics. So as we cannot simulate result of battle with our equations, we shouldn't try to argue which equation can do it better. So should argue about which is more logical. And it is not logical to punish player for having bigger army (as your equation do). Historically bigger army was always advantage. But other factors may also change the result of battle. Russians won battles against Persians because they had better technology, better tactics, better trained troops, not because they used fewer troops. Using more troops would allow them to win these battles even easier. And according to your equation having bigger army is disadvantage what is irrational. If you want to realistically simulate the battles you should work a bit more on the bonuses for technology, tactics and generals. But that may easily destroy the balance of the game.
I miss the simple caz times of BoP :(
bro you just need to learn how to roll better xDI miss the simple caz times of BoP :(
No, just no.... "Hey let's just kill Austria's president off for fun...."
Jesus, you're starting to be boring. Wanna talk about lack of RP? So firstly, let's start with fact, that, despite what you may believe, you don't know everything. There are talks, pacts, plans, gifts and discussions of which you may not be aware and in which you cannot take part. Huge part of RP takes place there. Especially in game placed in times of Napoleonic Wars, in which factions used to switch side in a blink of an eye. I understand, that vision of facing war against almost all major faction in game may be terryfing to you, but please, stop trying to change the fates of game with your cries. You had a chance to change them in RP way, and you declined to do so. Secondly, if you want to talk about RP, how come, that King Gustav Adolf, ruler of one of the oldest monarchies in Europe, somehow became an ally of Buonaparte, who was rather destroying the old order, instead of supporting it? In next update Duke of Enghien will be probably executed. Will you RP then and declare war on France? If so, I can immediatelly sign peace treaty with you. It's a game, not history lesson. Our decisions may be different from historical ones (as yours were) and you have to deal with it.It seems a caught a big one today boys
honeslty im sorry about all this. i got a little carried away XdJesus, you're starting to be boring. Wanna talk about lack of RP? So firstly, let's start with fact, that, despite what you may believe, you don't know everything. There are talks, pacts, plans, gifts and discussions of which you may not be aware and in which you cannot take part. Huge part of RP takes place there. Especially in game placed in times of Napoleonic Wars, in which factions used to switch side in a blink of an eye. I understand, that vision of facing war against almost all major faction in game may be terryfing to you, but please, stop trying to change the fates of game with your cries. You had a chance to change them in RP way, and you declined to do so. Secondly, if you want to talk about RP, how come, that King Gustav Adolf, ruler of one of the oldest monarchies in Europe, somehow became an ally of Buonaparte, who was rather destroying the old order, instead of supporting it? In next update Duke of Enghien will be probably executed. Will you RP then and declare war on France? If so, I can immediatelly sign peace treaty with you. It's a game, not history lesson. Our decisions may be different from historical ones (as yours were) and you have to deal with it.It seems a caught a big one today boys
Says it's a game, writes essays on math equations.
Firstly, I'm not scared of any major power. That should be obvious considering I allied France, knowing what I was getting into. Secondly, Gustav stayed neutral, but admired Napoleon. I tried to stay neural, multiple times. Initially I was trading with almost all the major coalition members, but then you guys broke your trade agreements with me and I think UK actually broke diplomatic relations. So why would I want to ally them? France has always been a friend of Sweden, so no I do not think it is impossible for Sweden to ally France. Also you asked me to ally with you after Britain attacked me? Like Wut. Logic please? And the duke execution won't happen. If you read the update (I'm assuming you didn't, hence why you didn't react to Briatians attack on you) then you would know that he was sentenced to life in prison. If he was to be executed, then yes I would probably break my alliance with France.
And yes I know a lot of behind the scene things happen. I have been in every BoP on this forum. So I know about the private stuff. But that doesn't mean you just completely ignore it when another nation attacks you, private arrangements or not.
There are reasons why I don't post super detailed stuff with characters and everything. For one I see myself as a poor writer (and I actually hate writing). Two, I don't really know any historical Swedish people in the Napoleonic era. Three, I don't see any purpose in all those extra details.
Now do I expect everything to be historically accurate? No. Do I expect people to act somewhat how their countries actually would? Yes. My decisions have almost always been somewhat based on how I think my nation would react. For example, if everyone in an alliance begins embargoing you, would you join them? In my mind that would just push a nation to the other side.
And can you just say Bonaparte instead of Buonaparte?
I'm not going to respond to anything else. You should get the general idea as to what I mean. You will probably never see me write something like this again
here are some random lyrics that have nothing to do with anything:SpoilerI won't lie to you
I know he's just not right for you
And you can tell me if I'm off
But I see it on your face
When you say that he's the one that you want
And you're spending all your time
In this wrong situation
And anytime you want it to stop
I know I can treat you better than he can
And any girl like you deserves a gentleman
Tell me why are we wasting time
On all your wasted crying
When you should be with me instead
I know I can treat you better
Better than he can
I'll stop time for you
The second you say you'd like me too
I just wanna give you the loving that you're missing
Baby, just to wake up with you
Would be everything I need and this could be so different
Tell me what you want to do
'Cause I know I can treat you better than he can
And any girl like you deserves a gentleman
Tell me why are we wasting time
On all your wasted crying
When you should be with me instead
I know I can treat you better
Better than he can [x2]
Give me a sign
Take my hand, we'll be fine
Promise I won't let you down
Just know that you don't
Have to do this alone
Promise I'll never let you down
(I know I can treat you better) [x3]
Promise I'll never let you down
'Cause I know I can treat you better than he can
And any girl like you deserves a gentleman
Tell me why are we wasting time
On all your wasted crying
When you should be with me instead
I know I can treat you better
Better than he can
Here are some more:
I hear the drums echoing tonight
But she hears only whispers of some quiet conversation
She's coming in, 12:30 flight
The moonlit wings reflect the stars that guide me towards salvation
I stopped an old man along the way
Hoping to find some long forgotten words or ancient melodies
He turned to me as if to say, "Hurry boy, it's waiting there for you"
It's gonna take a lot to take me away from you
There's nothing that a hundred men or more could ever do
I bless the rains down in Africa
Gonna take some time to do the things we never had
The wild dogs cry out in the night
As they grow restless, longing for some solitary company
I know that I must do what's right
As sure as Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus above the Serengeti
I seek to cure what's deep inside, frightened of this thing that I've become
It's gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
There's nothing that a hundred men or more could ever do
I bless the rains down in Africa
Gonna take some time to do the things we never had
Hurry boy, she's waiting there for you
It's gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
There's nothing that a hundred men or more could ever do
I bless the rains down in Africa
I bless the rains down in Africa
(I bless the rain)
I bless the rains down in Africa
(I bless the rain)
I bless the rains down in Africa
I bless the rains down in Africa
(Ah, gonna take the time)
Gonna take some time to do the things we never had
and more:
Just a small town girl
Livin' in a lonely world
She took the midnight train
Goin' anywhere
Just a city boy
Born and raised in South Detroit
He took the midnight train
Goin' anywhere
A singer in a smokey room
The smell of wine and cheap perfume
For a smile they can share the night
It goes on and on, and on, and on
Strangers waiting
Up and down the boulevard
Their shadows searching
In the night
Streetlight people
Livin' just to find emotion
Hidin' somewhere in the night
Workin' hard to get my fill
Everybody wants a thrill
Payin' anything to roll the dice
Just one more time
Some will win
Some will lose
Some were born to sing the blues
Oh, the movie never ends
It goes on and on, and on, and on
Strangers waiting
Up and down the boulevard
Their shadows searching
In the night
Streetlight people
Livin' just to find emotion
Hidin' somewhere in the night
[Instrumental interlude]
Don't stop believin'
Hold on to that feelin'
Streetlight people
Don't stop believin'
Hold on
Streetlight people
Don't stop believin'
Hold on to that feelin'
Streetlight people
Some more
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, look
I don't know how to talk to you
I don't know how to ask you if you're okay
My friends always feel the need to tell me things
Seems like they're just happier than us these days
Yeah, these days I don't know how to talk to you
I don't know how to be there when you need me
It feels like the only time you see me
Is when you turn your head to the side and look at me differently
Yeah, and last night I think I lost my patience
Last night I got high as the expectations
Last night, I came to a realization
And I hope you can take it
I hope you can take it
I'm too good to you
I'm way too good to you
You take my love for granted
I just don't understand it
No, I'm too good to you
I'm way too good to you
You take my love for granted
I just don't understand it
I don't know how to talk to you
I just know I found myself getting lost with you
Lately you just make me work too hard for you
Got me on flights overseas, and I still can't get across to you
And last night I think I lost my patience
Last night I got high as the expectations
Last night, I came to a realization
And I hope you can take it
I hope you can take it
I'm too good to you
I'm way too good to you
You take my love for granted
I just don't understand it
No, I'm too good to you
I'm way too good to you
You take my love for granted
I just don't understand it
Years go by too fast
I can't keep track
How long did we last?
I feel bad for asking
It can't end like this
We gotta take time with this
Cock up yuh bumper, sit down pon it
Let me see if this is something I can fix
You got somebody other than me
Don't play the victim when you're with me
Free time is costing me more than it seems
Sacrificing things
And I wanna tell you my intentions
I wanna do the things that I mention
I wanna benefit from the friendship
I wanna get the late night message from you, from you
I put my hands around you
Gotta get a handle on you
Gotta get a handle on the fact that
I'm too good to you
I'm way too good to you
You take my love for granted
I just don't understand it
No, I'm too good to you
I'm way too good to you
You take my love for granted
I just don't understand it
Gyal a you mi waan
Pay fi yuh visa meck yo fly out regular
Baby, cock up yuh bumper, sit down pon it
Gyal yo pum pum good and yuh fit
Mi wi give you everything weh deh in my wallet
And in my pocket
Cock up yuh bumper, sit down pon it
Gyal yo pum pum good and yuh fit
Mi wi give you everything weh deh in my wallet
And in my pocket
one more:
Can you feel that?
Ah, shit
Oh, ah, ah, ah, ah
Oh, ah, ah, ah, ah
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Drowning deep in my sea of loathing
Broken your servant I kneel
(Will you give in to me?)
It seems what's left of my human side
Is slowly changing in me
(Will you give in to me?)
Looking at my own reflection
When suddenly it changes
Violently it changes (oh no)
There is no turning back now
You've woken up the demon in me
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Open up your hate, and let it flow into me
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
You mother get up come on get down with the sickness
You fucker get up come on get down with the sickness
Madness is the gift, that has been given to me
I can see inside you, the sickness is rising
Don't try to deny what you feel
(Will you give in to me?)
It seems that all that was good has died
And is decaying in me
(Will you give in to me?)
It seems you're having some trouble
In dealing with these changes
Living with these changes (oh no)
The world is a scary place
Now that you've woken up the demon in me
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Open up your hate, and let it flow into me
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
You mother get up come on get down with the sickness
You fucker get up come on get down with the sickness
Madness is the gift, that has been given to me
No mommy, don't do it again
Don't do it again
I'll be a good boy
I'll be a good boy, I promise
No mommy don't hit me
Why did you have to hit me like that, mommy?
Don't do it, you're hurting me
Why did you have to be such a bitch
Why don't you
Why don't you just fuck off and die
Why can't you just fuck off and die
Why can't you just leave here and die
Never stick your hand in my face again bitch
Fuck you
I don't need this shit
You stupid sadistic abusive fucking whore
How would you like to see how it feels mommy
Here it comes, get ready to die
Oh, ah, ah, ah, ah
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Open up your hate, and let it flow into me
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
You mother get up come on get down with the sickness
You fucker get up come on get down with the sickness
Madness has now come over me
las one:
Uh huh, life's like this
Uh huh, uh huh, that's the way it is
'Cause life's like this
Uh huh, uh huh that's the way it is
Chill out, what you yellin' for?
Lay back, it's all been done before
And if you could only let it be
You will see
I like you the way you are
When we're drivin' in your car
And you're talking to me one on one
But you've become
Somebody else 'round everyone else
You're watching your back like you can't relax
You're tryin' to be cool
You look like a fool to me
Tell me
Why do you have to go and make things so complicated?
I see the way you're
Acting like you're somebody else, gets me frustrated
And life's like this you,
You fall and you crawl and you break and you take what you get and you turn it into
Honesty, you promised me I'm never gonna find you fake it
No, no, no
You come over unannounced
Dressed up like you're somethin' else
Where you are ain't where it's at you see, you're making me
Laugh out when you strike your pose
Take off all your preppy clothes
You know, you're not fooling anyone
When you've become
Somebody else 'round everyone else
You're watchin' your back like you can't relax
You're tryin' to be cool
You look like a fool to me
Tell me
Why do you have to go and make things so complicated?
I see the way you're
Acting like you're somebody else, gets me frustrated
And life's like this you,
You fall and you crawl and you break and you take what you get and you turn it into
Honesty, you promised me, I'm never gonna find you fake it
No, no, no
No, no, no (No)
No, no, no (No)
No, no, no (No)(No)
Chill out, what you yellin' for?
Lay back, it's all been done before
And if you could only let it be
You will see
Somebody else 'round everyone else
You're watching your back like you can't relax
You're trying to be cool,
You look like a fool to me
Tell me
Why do you have to go and make things so complicated?
I see the way you're
Acting like you're somebody else, gets me frustrated
And life's like this you,
You fall and you crawl and you break and you take what you get and you turn it into
Honesty, you promised me, I'm never gonna find you fake it
No, no
Why do you have to go and make things so complicated? (Yeah, yeah)
I see the way you're
Acting like you're somebody else, gets me frustrated
And life's like this you,
You fall and you crawl and you break and you take what you get and you turn it into
Honesty, you promised me I'm never gonna find you fake it
No, no, no
i lied:
Yeah
Can you feel it, baby?
I can too
Come on swing it
C-come on swing it
Come on swing it
C-come on swing it
1-2-3 - Now we come to the pay off
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
Yo, it's about that time
To bring forth the rhythm and the rhyme
I'ma get mine, so get yours
I wanna see sweat comin' out your pores
On the house tip is how I'm swingin' this
Strictly hip-hop boy, I ain't singin' this
Bringing this to the entire nation
Black, white, red, brown, feel the vibration
Come on, come on
Feel it, feel it
Feel the vibration
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
Vibrations good like Sunkist
Many wanna know who done this
Marky Mark and I'm here to move you
Rhymes will groove you and I'm here to prove to you
That we can party on the positive side
And pump positive vibes
So come along for the ride
Making you feel the rhythm is my occupation
So feel the vibration
Come on, come on
Feel it, feel it
Feel the vibration
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
Donnie D break it down
Donnie D's on the back up
Drug free, so put the crack up
No need for speed, I'm the anti D-R-U-G-G-I-E
My body is healthy
My rhymes make me wealthy
And the Funky Bunch helps me
To bring you a show with no intoxication
Come on feel the vibration
Yeah
Can you feel it, baby?
I can too
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
Now the time has come for you to get up
The rest had you fed up but yo, I won't let up
On the rhythm and rhyme that's designed to
Make your behind move to what I'm inclined to
Pure hip hop, no sell out
If you ain't in it to win it then get the hell out
I command you to dance, I wanna see motivation
Come on now feel the vibration
It's such a good vibration
Come on, come on, come on
It's such a sweet sensation
Feel it, feel it
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation (Feel the vibration)
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
one more:
I'm gonna fight 'em off
A seven nation army couldn't hold me back
They're gonna rip it off
Taking their time right behind my back
And I'm talkin' to myself at night
Because I can't forget
Back and forth through my mind
Behind a cigarette
And the message comin' from my eyes says, "Leave it alone."
Don't wanna hear about it
Every single one's got a story to tell
Everyone knows about it
From the Queen of England to the hounds of hell
And if I catch it comin' back my way
I'm gonna serve it to you
And that ain't what you want to hear
But that's what I'll do
And the feeling coming from my bones says, "Find a home."
I'm going to Wichita
Far from this opera for evermore
I'm gonna work the straw
Make the sweat drip out of every pore
And I'm bleeding, and I'm bleeding, and I'm bleeding
Right before the lord
All the words are gonna bleed from me
And I will think no more
And the stains comin' from my blood tell me, "Go back home."
Antha one:
Aiyyo, ya niggaz must be outcha fuckin mind
Thinkin dog can't pull another motherfuckin rabbit out the hat
Nigga I ain't gotta check out my motherfuckin sleeves you bitch ass niggaz
Fuck is y'all niggaz...
Y'all niggaz just thinkin I'm sittin around doin nothin?
Oh my God, y'all niggaz can't be serious
[Chorus: DMX - repeat 2X]
Where the hood, where the hood, where the hood at?
Have that nigga in the cut, where the wood at?
Oh, them niggaz actin up?!? Where the wolves at?
You better BUST THAT if you gon pull that
[DMX]
Man, cats don't know what it's gonna be
Fuckin with a nigga like me, D-to-the-M-to-the-X
Last I heard, y'all niggaz was havin sex, with the SAME sex
I show no love, to homo thugs
Empty out, reloaded and throw more slugs
How you gonna explain fuckin a man?
Even if we squashed the beef, I ain't touchin ya hand
I don't buck with chumps, for those to been to jail
That's the cat with the Kool-Aid on his lips and pumps
I don't fuck with niggaz that think they broads
Only know how to be ONE WAY, that's the dog
I know how to get down, know how to BITE
Bark very little, but I know HOW TO FIGHT
I know how to chase a cat up in the tree
MAN, I GIVE Y'ALL NIGGAZ THE B'INESS FOR FUCKIN WIT ME, IS YOU CRAZY?!?
[Chorus]
[DMX]
Once a song, I come though, guns is drawn
BLAM BLAM, lungs are gone, sons will mourn
From dusk till dawn, nighttime belongs to the dog
On the street passed midnight, look for 'em in the morgue
Don't play with these cats cuz I ain't got nothin to say to these cats
For the mothers that really do love em, please pray for these cats
Cuz I know niggaz is hardheaded but I ain't got the patience
Don't want me havin no patience turn into more patience
More trips to ICU cuz I see you
Tryna get away with shit a real nigga wouldn't do
Where my dogs at? (RIGHT HERE) See them niggaz? (RIGHT WHERE?!?)
GET EM BOY! (RIGHT THERE) That's how we do... (AIIGHT THEN)
This is for my dogs, this is for my dogs
YO, WHERE WE AT BABY?!? (CREEPIN THROUGH THE FOG)
From then till now, don't ask me how
Know that we gon roll like them niggaz and hit every block on the job
[Chorus]
[DMX]
I get tapes doin times, stop niggaz like grapes makin wine
Five CD's with mad rhymes
Don't hit me with that positive shit, I know you lyin
You really wanna stop niggaz from dyin? Stop niggaz from tryin
I cuz I ain't really got that time to waste
and I thought I told you to get these fuckin bums out my face
Lookin atchu in your grill, I might be nice to cut
Once I split ya ass in two, you'll be twice as butt
Yeah, you right, I know ya style - PUSSY cuz I'm fuckin it
Since we all right here, you hold my dick while he suckin it
MOTHERFUCKER, don't you know you'll never come near me
Shove ya head up ya ass, have you seein shit clearly
Never heard that D be runnin, cuz D be gunnin
I beat my dick and bust off in ya eye so you can see me comin/cumin
Empty clips and shells are what I leave behind
and if they get me with the joint, they hit me with a three-to-nine
[Chorus]
[DMX talking]
WHERE THE FUCKIN HOOD AT?!? (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
NO ONES' FUCKIN WITH ME NIGGA, FO REAL (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
I AM THE HOOD, I AM THE STREETS (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
YOU BITCH ASS NIGGA (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
TAKE IT HOW YOU WANT, MOTHERFUCKER (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
I'M IN THE HOOD ALL DAY (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
I THINK I'M LIKE THE ONLY NIGGA, DOG (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
THAT CAN GO TO THE PROJECTS (SCHOOL STREET, HOME OF THE BRAVE)
BY HIS FUCKIN SELF AND BE GOOD
YEAH NIGGA, ASK NIGGAZ ON Y.O. (MY PROJECTS, Y.O.)
WHEN THE LAST TIME THEY SEEN DOG (Not too long ago baby)
MOTHERFUCKER..
DEE, WAAH, UGH... (Y'all niggaz is homeless)
KATO... (Where the hood at?)
Anotha One:
Yeah
You know what
I like the playettes
No diggity, no doubt
Play on playette, play on playette
Yo Dre, drop the verse
It's going down, fade to blackstreet
The homies got rb, collab' creations
Bump like acne, no doubt
I put it down, never slouch
As long as my credit can vouch
A dog couldn't catch me ass out
Tell me who can stop when dre makin' moves
Attracting honeys like a magnet
Giving 'em eargasms with my mellow accent
Still moving this flavor
With the homies blackstreet and teddy
The original rump shakers
Shorty get down, good lord
Baby got 'em up open all over town
Strictly biz, she don't play around
Cover much ground, got game by the pound
Getting paid is her forte
Each and every day, true player way
I can't get her out of my mind
I think about the girl all the time
East side to the west side
Pushin' phat rides, it's no surprise
She got tricks in the stash
Stacking up the cash
Fast when it comes to the gas
By no means average
She's on when she's got to have it
Baby, you're a perfect ten, I wanna get in
Can I get down, so I can win
I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up
I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up
I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up
I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up
She's got class and style
Street knowledge by the pound
Baby never act wild, very low key on the profile
Catchin' feelings is a no
Let me tell you how it goes
Curve's the words, spins the verbs
Lovers it curves so freak what you heard
Rollin' with the phatness
You don't even know what the half is
You gotta pay to play
Just for shorty, bang-bang, to look your way
I like the way you work it
Trumped tight all day, every day
You're blowing my mind, maybe in time
Baby, I can get you in my ride
I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up
I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up
I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up
I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up
Hey oh, hey oh, hey oh, hey oh (hey yo that girl looks good)
Hey oh, hey oh, hey oh, hey oh (play on, play on, play on)
Hey oh, hey oh, hey oh, hey oh (you're my kind of girl)
Hey oh, hey oh, hey oh, hey oh (hey yay oh)
'Cause that's my peeps and we row g
Flyin' first class from new york city to blackstreet
What you know about me, not a motherfuckin' thing
Cartier wooded frames sported by my shortie
As for me, icy gleaming pinky diamond ring
We be's the baddest clique up on the scene
Ain't you getting bored with these fake ass broads
I shows and proves, no doubt, I be taking you, so
Please excuse, if I come across rude
That's just me and that's how the playettes got to be
Stay kickin' game with a capital G
Axe the peoples on my block, I'm as real as can be
Word is bond, faking jacks never been my flavor
So, teddy, pass the word to your nigga chauncey
I be sitting in car, let's say around three thirty
Queen pen and blackstreet, it's no diggity
I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up
I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up
I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up
I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up
Yeah, Come on
Jackie in full effect
Lisa in full effect
Nicky in full effect
Tomeka in full effect
Ladies in full effect
Ain't nothing goin' on but the rent
Yeah play on playette, play on playette
Play on play on, play on play on
'Cause I like it
No diggity, no doubt, yeah
Blackstreet productions
We out, we out right
We out, we out
anotha one
Arf arf
Yeah, yeah, yeah (grrrr)
Uh, yeah don't get it twisted
This rap shit, is mine
Motherfucker, it's not, a fucking, game
Fuck what you heard
It's what you hearing
It's what you hearing (listen)
It's what you hearing (listen)
It's what you hearing (listen)
[Verse 1]
X gon' give it to ya
Fuck wait for you to get it on your own
X gon' deliver to ya
Knock knock, open up the door, it's real
Wit the non-stop, pop pop and stainless steel
Go hard getting busy wit it
But I got such a good heart
Then I'll make a motherfucker wonder if he did it
Damn right and I'll do it again
'Cause I am right so I gots to win
Break bread wit the enemy
But no matter how many cats I break bread wit
I'll break who you sending me
You motherfuckers never wanted nothing
But your life saved,
bitch that's for the light day
I'm getting down, down
Like a nigga said, "Freeze!"
But won't be the one ending up on his knees
Bitch, please
If the only thing you cats did is came out to play
Stay out my way, motherfucker
[Chorus - DMX]
First we gonna rock, then we gonna roll
Then we let it pop, don't let it go
X gon' give it to ya
He gon' give it to ya
X gon' give it to ya
He gon' give it to ya
[Verse 2]
Ain't never gave nothing to me
But every time I turn around
Cats got they hands out wanting something from me
I ain't got it so you can't get it
Let's leave it at that 'cause I ain't wit it
Hit it wit full strength
I'm a jail nigga
So I face the world like it's Earl in the bullpen
You against me, me against you
Whatever, whenever
Nigga, fuck you gon' do?
I'm a wolf in sheep clothing
Only nigga that you know who can chill
Come back and get the streets open
I've been doing this for nineteen years
Niggas wanna fight me? Fight these tears
I put in work and it's all for the kids
But these cats done forgot what work is (uh-huh!)
They don't know who we be
Looking! But they don't know who they see, nigga
[Chorus - DMX]
First we gonna rock, then we gonna roll
Then we let it pop, don't let it go
X gon' give it to ya
He gon' give it to ya
X gon' give it to ya
He gon' give it to ya
[Verse 3]
Aiiyo where my niggas at?!
I know I got them down in the game
Give em love and they give it back
Talk too much for too long (what?!)
Don't give up you're too strong (what?!)
A dog to bow bow hug it (yeah!)
Shout-out to niggas that done it (come on!)
And it ain't even about the dough
It's about getting down for what you stand for yo (for real)
[Chorus - DMX]
First we gonna rock, then we gonna roll
Then we let it pop, don't let it go
X gon' give it to ya
He gon' give it to ya
X gon' give it to ya
He gon' give it to ya
[2x]
anotha one:
Ha ha ha ha ha
Yo, I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want
So tell me what you want, what you really, really want
I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want
So tell me what you want, what you really, really want
I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha)
I wanna really, really, really wanna zigazig ah
If you want my future, forget my past
If you wanna get with me, better make it fast
Now don't go wasting my precious time
Get your act together we could be just fine
I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want
So tell me what you want, what you really, really want
I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha)
I wanna really, really, really wanna zigazig ah
If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends
(Gotta get with my friends)
Make it last forever, friendship never ends
If you wanna be my lover, you have got to give
Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is
Oh, what do you think about that
Now you know how I feel
Say, you can handle my love, are you for real
(Are you for real)
I won't be hasty, I'll give you a try
If you really bug me then I'll say goodbye
Yo I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want
So tell me what you want, what you really, really want
I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha)
I wanna really, really, really wanna zigazig ah
If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends
(Gotta get with my friends)
Make it last forever, friendship never ends
If you wanna be my lover, you have got to give
(You've got to give)
Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is
So, here's a story from A to Z
You wanna get with me, you gotta listen carefully
We got Em in the place who likes it in your face
You got G like MC who likes it on a
Easy V doesn't come for free, she's a real lady
And as for me, ha you'll see
Slam your body down and wind it all around
Slam your body down and wind it all around
If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends
(Gotta get with my friends)
Make it last forever, friendship never ends
If you wanna be my lover, you have got to give
(You've got to give)
Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is
If you wanna be my lover
You gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta
Slam, slam, slam, slam (make it last forever)
Slam your body down and wind it all around
Slam your body down and wind it all around
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
Slam your body down and wind it all around
Slam your body down and zigazig ah
If you wanna be my lover
last one. i mean it this time
Life is a mystery
Everyone must stand alone
I hear you call my name
And it feels like home
When you call my name it's like a little prayer
I'm down on my knees, I wanna take you there
In the midnight hour I can feel your power
Just like a prayer you know I'll take you there
I hear your voice
It's like an angel sighing
I have no choice, I hear your voice
Feels like flying
I close my eyes
Oh God I think I'm falling
Out of the sky, I close my eyes
Heaven help me
When you call my name it's like a little prayer
I'm down on my knees, I wanna take you there
In the midnight hour I can feel your power
Just like a prayer you know I'll take you there
Like a child
You whisper softly to me
You're in control just like a child
Now I'm dancing
It's like a dream
No end and no beginning
You're here with me it's like a dream
Let the choir sing
When you call my name it's like a little prayer
I'm down on my knees, I wanna take you there
In the midnight hour I can feel your power
Just like a prayer you know I'll take you there
When you call my name it's like a little prayer
I'm down on my knees, I wanna take you there
In the midnight hour I can feel your power
Just like a prayer you know I'll take you there
Life is a mystery
Everyone must stand alone
I hear you call my name
And it feels like home
Just like a prayer, your voice can take me there
Just like a muse to me, you are a mystery
Just like a dream, you are not what you seem
Just like a prayer, no choice your voice can take me there
Just like a prayer, I'll take you there
It's like a dream to me
Just like a prayer, I'll take you there
It's like a dream to me
Just like a prayer, I'll take you there
It's like a dream to me
Just like a prayer, I'll take you there
It's like a dream to me
Just like a prayer, your voice can take me there
Just like a muse to me, you are a mystery
Just like a dream, you are not what you seem
Just like a prayer, no choice your voice can take me there
Just like a prayer, your voice can take me there
Just like a muse to me, you are a mystery
Just like a dream, you are not what you seem
Just like a prayer, no choice your voice can take me there
Your voice can take me there
Like a prayer
Just like a prayer
Just like a prayer, your voice can take me there
Just like a prayer
Just like a prayer, your voice can take me there[close]
So much salt :( I think the RP is fine. BoPs are never historically correct.BabyJ's salt is perfectly valid. Britain fired upon and sunk a number of allied ships and nobody has batted an eye. What Britian has done is pretty serious.
Britain: *Sinks Russian ships*So much salt :( I think the RP is fine. BoPs are never historically correct.BabyJ's salt is perfectly valid. Britain fired upon and sunk a number of allied ships and nobody has batted an eye. What Britian has done is pretty serious.
Bingo! Where is the logic?Britain: *Sinks Russian ships*So much salt :( I think the RP is fine. BoPs are never historically correct.BabyJ's salt is perfectly valid. Britain fired upon and sunk a number of allied ships and nobody has batted an eye. What Britian has done is pretty serious.
Russia:Hey Britain let's be friends. That Napoleon is a bad dude lets invade him.
*Russia declares war on Sweden*
Bingo! Where is the logic?Britain: *Sinks Russian ships*So much salt :( I think the RP is fine. BoPs are never historically correct.BabyJ's salt is perfectly valid. Britain fired upon and sunk a number of allied ships and nobody has batted an eye. What Britian has done is pretty serious.
Russia:Hey Britain let's be friends. That Napoleon is a bad dude lets invade him.
*Russia declares war on Sweden*
Well I removed my ambassador from London :P ::)and you wernt even affected by Britians actions. So you would think those that actually were affected would at least condemn their actions or something
Bingo! Where is the logic?Britain: *Sinks Russian ships*So much salt :( I think the RP is fine. BoPs are never historically correct.BabyJ's salt is perfectly valid. Britain fired upon and sunk a number of allied ships and nobody has batted an eye. What Britian has done is pretty serious.
Russia:Hey Britain let's be friends. That Napoleon is a bad dude lets invade him.
*Russia declares war on Sweden*
Surely everyone at this point should follow in the ottoman footsteps and punish the Brits in some way? Not being biased but I do seem to be the only one after publicly doing something about the incident, and Im not even relevant in the context of what happened.....
Bingo! Where is the logic?Britain: *Sinks Russian ships*So much salt :( I think the RP is fine. BoPs are never historically correct.BabyJ's salt is perfectly valid. Britain fired upon and sunk a number of allied ships and nobody has batted an eye. What Britian has done is pretty serious.
Russia:Hey Britain let's be friends. That Napoleon is a bad dude lets invade him.
*Russia declares war on Sweden*
Surely everyone at this point should follow in the ottoman footsteps and punish the Brits in some way? Not being biased but I do seem to be the only one after publicly doing something about the incident, and Im not even relevant in the context of what happened.....
They did by declaring war on ME. >:( :'(
The amount of autism on this thread Lmfao.:-[
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The amount of autism on this thread Lmfao.This is why we can't have nice things
Since salcos doesnt do shit can I technically declare war on him and conquer everything he has? I mean its not like he's gonna post anything saying he's raising troops to fight back or anything
Hence technicallySince salcos doesnt do shit can I technically declare war on him and conquer everything he has? I mean its not like he's gonna post anything saying he's raising troops to fight back or anything
Why would Two Sicilies conquer Pope?
Since salcos doesnt do shit can I technically declare war on him and conquer everything he has? I mean its not like he's gonna post anything saying he's raising troops to fight back or anything
Mclovin thanks for clarifying. I never would have guessed that saxony joined the coalition
o u right :'(Mclovin thanks for clarifying. I never would have guessed that saxony joined the coalition
I wasn't clarifying retard. Saxony asked to join and I accepted.
I think the Kingdom of Etruria needs new leadership perhaps i shalt try my hand?S Bogom.
My school has thousands of books and articles on the Napoleonic wars and I just now found out. Rip
I dont have a schoolYour school is the streets of Copa Cabana
well I just started going to a university. I figured they had a couple of books there but I didn't know about all the online books they had.My school has thousands of books and articles on the Napoleonic wars and I just now found out. Rip
Oh look, the boy has finally managed to understand that you can actually LEARN things in school. See me clapping.... not.
But this drama was funny, why would I try save it? I have honestly expected you to start even more of it after this post...i mean if you really want drama then do you want me to go on about how Russia and the U.K. hate each other and would never refer to one another as "close friends"?
Well, Napoleon kinda did usurp the ancient French throne.
Well, Napoleon kinda did usurp the ancient French throne.
Nope. He overthrew the Republic by a coup and the Pope himself took part in the coronation - he is as legitimated as any other monarch.
Well, Napoleon kinda did usurp the ancient French throne.
Nope. He overthrew the Republic by a coup and the Pope himself took part in the coronation - he is as legitimated as any other monarch.
Yes, I know of the Brumaire Coup. But still, the French monarchy had been expelled from Paris and Napoleon ruled over France unlawfully.
Plans? ???ive had mine pretty much done for the past week. I've been a lazy cuck :(
I have an announcement to make...wtf? You told me I couldn't get pregnant!
BabyJ and I are having a baby and we will no longer have enough time to play this BoP please remove BabyJ from the list of players. Thank you.
Batavian Republic?
Im sorry. All I wanted was to start a family with you...I have an announcement to make...wtf? You told me I couldn't get pregnant!
BabyJ and I are having a baby and we will no longer have enough time to play this BoP please remove BabyJ from the list of players. Thank you.
GibBatavian Republic?What do you mean?
get outta here with that white priveldge. You think everything in life should just be handed to you? Well some of us have to actually for a living. I just found out I'm pregnant today. You think I want this kid? I can't afford a kid. Just because I'm an Apache attack helicopter doesn't mean I'm not a person tooGibBatavian Republic?What do you mean?
Did you just assume I'm white you particracy attack helicopter?! I'll have you know I'm a proud blue man!get outta here with that white priveldge. You think everything in life should just be handed to you? Well some of us have to actually for a living. I just found out I'm pregnant today. You think I want this kid? I can't afford a kid. Just because I'm an Apache attack helicopter doesn't mean I'm not a person tooGibBatavian Republic?What do you mean?
Plans? ???ill send my plans later tonight. I've been a lazy boy:(
Update? ???
Added Massena for the French Empire. Massena = +3
IMO it's Davout.thats what a lot of websites are saying
#UpdateReadyteh delay may or may not be my fault
I can not wait for this update :-*Swedens gonna wreck Russia
I can not wait for this update :-*Swedens gonna wreck Russia
half of it is inhabitable so in this case size doesn't matterI can not wait for this update :-*Swedens gonna wreck Russia
Just to make it clear... Sweden is just this strip of land in far north? And Russia is that big green that covers half of the map, right? You know, to avoid mistakes...
Im pretty sure that the only inhabitable parts of Russia aren't on this map. In Siberia/Asia etc.shush
I'm starving, I NEED an update!volk said she worked on the update a little bit last night. I'm guessing it will be tonight or tomorrow
Today's the day
unless it's tomorrow
Just a minor thing...
Starting next turn any army or force that doesn't have a named leader will suffer a -3 penalty in combat. Please guys, it makes it 10x easier for me if you simply attach a name to an army, or even if a force is separating from the main army, if it's sizeable give it a leader. Even if he's -1 or just some average general who was not noteworthy in the war. When I attach names to armies GM wise it makes is infinitely easier for me to go "Kutuzov's Army attacks Davout's Army, great I know the sizes and make ups of those armies let's battle" instead of "Uh... 4th Prussian Corps, not army, vs... 12th French Division? No that's in Romania rn, which one's the one in Portugal atm? Is that the one with 2k or 40k?"
Also reread plans before you send them, I notice sometimes people put the wrong/same names. "Corps X attacks Paris while Corps X defends Marseille" etc. I usually catch it and ask for clarification if it's truly confusing, most of the time though I can figure out what you meant by comparing old movements and where forces are on my map, but still.
Please.
Can Jean Bernadotte get a +20? I hear he was really really good
See that I got jokes ^
nah he can just get the bonus nowCan Jean Bernadotte get a +20? I hear he was really really good
See that I got jokes ^
After he becomes the crown prince of Sweden I assume?
Thomas Cochrane should be added as another British naval modifier. He's badass. I also agree BabyJesus.no.
Soon.
Try posting it on a different web browser?Same problem
If you add any text besides what you pasted in and than click post/preview does anything show up then?Yes, I tried that yesterday when I was testing the problem for Duuring. Let's say I also typed up the Summary under the Update, you know "Corsican fighting Austria with Britain, woo scary, Russia doing stuff, It's a European War wooooo". The Summary would show up once I hit Preview and Post, however the Spoiler and everything inside it would simply disappear. And if after posting I quoted the post to see if the BB code was still there, just invisible, the BB code would disappear after posting as well.
Can'lt we just have the update without fancy formating?
Can'lt we just have the update without fancy formating?
Can'lt we just have the update without fancy formating?
le big SIGHwho are you?
Rip Nelson
Rip Nelson(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.joeydevilla.com%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F12%2Frip-nelson-mandela.jpg&hash=5600c8769e57c165bd09fcd91d4abc0f8052962e)
Rip Nelson
:'(
Indeed, BabyJesus, you truly deserve this stickerhttp://www.napoleon-series.org/military/battles/c_finnish.html (http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/battles/c_finnish.html)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LXUhoVdqEIk/hqdefault.jpg)
I believe that place of such role-playing propaganda is rather in the game thread, not here. If you want to talk here, then please, stay true to historical facts. Military in Sweden wasn't an honour, it was a business. Son of landless peasant would receive own farm in exchange for his service, so it was just profitable to join an army. Morale was indeed guite good in Swedish forces (for soldiers wanted to win and return to their farms), but on the other hand, indelta were rather militia than real standing army, so Swedish army was terribly trained and could not be compared to real armies of any european powers. Also morale of Russians cannot be called "low". These people were one of the best drilled soldiers in Europe, thanks to brutal discipline they were like machines fighting to the very last moment. Russian generals were bad, it's true, they used obsolete tactics, had no knowledge about advanced manoeuvres, etc but the soldiers themselves were very good, well trained and with quite high morale.
Trafalgar Square? :-[
Gib me dur Dutch pl0x
should name the square Oresund Square. That way people will always remember Nelson for his last battleTrafalgar Square? :-[
Sorry - renamed it.
The battle he got absolutely annihilated in.the best way to honor him
Well, this game just turned far more interesting then any other BoP we have played here so far.Less is more?
53e?Well, this game just turned far more interesting then any other BoP we have played here so far.Less is more?
Is the character in your avatar positioning herself to place that weapon into her rectum? That's not very hygienic or safe.Well, this game just turned far more interesting then any other BoP we have played here so far.Less is more?
Is the character in your avatar positioning herself to place that weapon into her rectum? That's not very hygienic or safe.Well, this game just turned far more interesting then any other BoP we have played here so far.Less is more?
i bet she's taken bigger thingsIs the character in your avatar positioning herself to place that weapon into her rectum? That's not very hygienic or safe.Well, this game just turned far more interesting then any other BoP we have played here so far.Less is more?
i bet she's taken bigger thingsIs the character in your avatar positioning herself to place that weapon into her rectum? That's not very hygienic or safe.Well, this game just turned far more interesting then any other BoP we have played here so far.Less is more?
giant tentaclei bet she's taken bigger thingsIs the character in your avatar positioning herself to place that weapon into her rectum? That's not very hygienic or safe.Well, this game just turned far more interesting then any other BoP we have played here so far.Less is more?
Examples pls
Just a heads up, until the BB code or spoilers or whatever the problem is, is fixed I will not be editing the main game thread. I can't afford to lose the main thread trying to add a "Previous Updates" section or something along those lines.hm what if you added it to this section for now. that way theres no risk
it also went a bit quietit's because you're thirsty for attention
everyone forgets about me anyway :'(
Bump
I've gotten more messages saying "Plans coming soon" than messages with actual plans. ???dont worry my plans are coming soon
have people lost interest?im just lazy
Just update, ffs.might as well
Just update, ffs.might as well
Just update, ffs.might as well
Changing rules in-between updates is a bit silly changes should be implemented after an update not during one imo.i agree. It should apply from now on. I'm sure if people knew about the penalty they would never have been late in the 1st place :P
Changing rules in-between updates is a bit silly changes should be implemented after an update not during one imo.I agree, but since it's taken this long for people to send in plans it doesn't really matter
I am currently doing all of the espionage actions and moves. Everybody who sent me their plans before the date I assigned as late will be able to edit their plans according to the results of their espionage with no penalty. Those who sent me their plans after the date will also be able to send me edits to their plans according to the espionage results, however their plans will remain with a penalty; however, the penalty will be applied as if the edits were the original late plans, so there's no added penalty for editing your late plans.
I might change my previous proposal regarding a new Espionage rule.
whats the point of spying if you can't capitalize on it? I've never really used spies but I figured you would be able to edit your plans. Otherwise the spy would be uselessI am currently doing all of the espionage actions and moves. Everybody who sent me their plans before the date I assigned as late will be able to edit their plans according to the results of their espionage with no penalty. Those who sent me their plans after the date will also be able to send me edits to their plans according to the espionage results, however their plans will remain with a penalty; however, the penalty will be applied as if the edits were the original late plans, so there's no added penalty for editing your late plans.
I might change my previous proposal regarding a new Espionage rule.
Wtf? Couldn't you have told us earlier that you can edit your plans after espionage in the same turn? I totally disagree with these midturn-rulechanges.
?I am currently doing all of the espionage actions and moves. Everybody who sent me their plans before the date I assigned as late will be able to edit their plans according to the results of their espionage with no penalty. Those who sent me their plans after the date will also be able to send me edits to their plans according to the espionage results, however their plans will remain with a penalty; however, the penalty will be applied as if the edits were the original late plans, so there's no added penalty for editing your late plans.
I might change my previous proposal regarding a new Espionage rule.
Wtf? Couldn't you have told us earlier that you can edit your plans after espionage in the same turn? I totally disagree with these midturn-rulechanges.
?I am currently doing all of the espionage actions and moves. Everybody who sent me their plans before the date I assigned as late will be able to edit their plans according to the results of their espionage with no penalty. Those who sent me their plans after the date will also be able to send me edits to their plans according to the espionage results, however their plans will remain with a penalty; however, the penalty will be applied as if the edits were the original late plans, so there's no added penalty for editing your late plans.
I might change my previous proposal regarding a new Espionage rule.
Wtf? Couldn't you have told us earlier that you can edit your plans after espionage in the same turn? I totally disagree with these midturn-rulechanges.
It's been this way since 1914?
You want me to delay the orders of people who sent me their plans which happened to also do espionage even though they were on time? ???
There is NOTHING saying anything about that in the rules. After all I would have expected your plans to be delayed in this turn if you started to espionage in this turn. This way spying someone out takes seriously NO time and you can just get your secret information by magical deus ex machina.
You want me to delay the orders of people who sent me their plans which happened to also do espionage even though they were on time? ???
There is NOTHING saying anything about that in the rules. After all I would have expected your plans to be delayed in this turn if you started to espionage in this turn. This way spying someone out takes seriously NO time and you can just get your secret information by magical deus ex machina.
Not all spy actions are "I send spy to D city and bloop". Assassinations, sabotages, scouting & hussars exploring for example I count as "espionage" for simplicity's sake. Regarding travel time, not all spies move from X to Y. Some spies are already in major cities awaiting orders to infiltrate group, sabotage something, assassinate someone, etc... Which negates the whole "travel time" factor. Or, due to turn ending, they simply are interrupted in the middle of their order and will continue the order into the next turn. So not all espionage deserves a massive time penalty to it.
I want to see planchanges delayed due to espionage orders that were given together with the plan. According from what you said it currently looks like this to me:
Player sends plan + a new espionage order at the same time --- Espionage takes NO time, the player just gets magic information for having said "I send spys to xy" without any delay --- Player changes plan, no delays are put in effect and the whole espionage action happened without any time having passed on.
I need help. We have a dire situation.
Both sides rolled a 30 in a battle. :-[ :o
Does this mean... both generals die...? That's what I had in mind for the meaning of 30-Rolls, but... this is...
Help.
I need help. We have a dire situation.
Both sides rolled a 30 in a battle. :-[ :o
Does this mean... both generals die...? That's what I had in mind for the meaning of 30-Rolls, but... this is...
Help.
Kill them! Kill them both! Let the blood be spilled and let the dead cover the field of battle! Death!
Update hype?I feel equally pumped and equally... saddened. :-[ I feel bad for some nations...
update?3/9 Battles written
9 Battles? even more hype
If you need help writing stuff let me know, I have some time and am bored.update?3/9 Battles written
lol I bet my naval invasion of London was a success. Lol the U.K. are so bad
Anybody want to write a minor delay-battle? I'm busy writing what is effectively Austerlitz and I have some minor rearguard actions that I need done. :-\Me!
Anybody want to write a minor delay-battle? I'm busy writing what is effectively Austerlitz and I have some minor rearguard actions that I need done. :-\
not reallyAnybody want to write a minor delay-battle? I'm busy writing what is effectively Austerlitz and I have some minor rearguard actions that I need done. :-\
Omfg dat spoiler
not reallyAnybody want to write a minor delay-battle? I'm busy writing what is effectively Austerlitz and I have some minor rearguard actions that I need done. :-\
Omfg dat spoiler
Update
Edit: See the Battle of Stockholm Waters for my most favorite work so far
When was Austrian Empire (or even Holy Roman Empire itself) shrunk to Austrian Archduchy only? Have I missed some events again?I messed up on my part. I knew that Francis II was Emperor of the HRE, but I incorrectly assumed that "that means Austria = Empire". Austria was in fact an Archduchy up until the dissolution of the HRE. Francis then remade Austria into it's own empire in order to make up the rank from Duke (technically) back to Emperor. I would edit the game thread but... FSE. :-[
Also, RIP Cronstedt, it's nice that were getting rid of strange bonuses added after the game already started ;)
When was Austrian Empire (or even Holy Roman Empire itself) shrunk to Austrian Archduchy only? Have I missed some events again?Cronstedat did win every single battle he was a part of. And he rekt the best navy in the world. He was good admiral. Shame he is gone.
Also, RIP Cronstedt, it's nice that were getting rid of strange bonuses added after the game already started ;)
*sigh*
So... is this "Late Penalty" in the game, or not? It would be nice to know how many time we have now. Also, if this penalty is valid, then I'd like to ask when we can expect to see secret reports about things not connected with events in the update (movements of troops, rumors from the realm, situation in country, etc). If we have a week only to prepare orders, then even an hour of delay with such reports can matter. We have to discuss many things with players, and for now I don't even know where half of my forces are.Like I said, the minimum time is 2 weeks. If 2 weeks pass and I see I don't have many/most plans, I'll ask how much more time feels like needs to be added. If most people have their plans in and you all say "2 more days, I want my update" then I apply to those who haven't sent by the two extra days.Etc etc
Also finally, what about spies? Any changes, or still we can use as many as we want and receive results of their actions immediatelly?
*sigh*
*sigh*
Put your feet together, your right hand up, stand straight and SIEG MOTHERFUCKING HEIL!
Ekhm... in 1804 Carl Adlercreutz was colonel, not a general. Shoudn't Swedish army in Lapland suffer -3 modifier for lack of general?I haven't updated the Game thread in weeks because FSE is currently broken.
Also, Volk, you have little error in your treaties sheet. I have trade agreement with Austria, which is not menitoned in your sheet.
But treaties sheet is on Google, not on FSE. You can update it for sure. Also, I love your habit to ignore half of every message.I didn't ignore it. I just can't really answer it.
By the way, I've been wondering, whether our commanders have bonuses based on their actions and experience during the game rather than just starting with bonuses?I don't exactly understand what you're asking. Do you mean if generals with +0 will get +3's etc if they do well? If that's what you mean then yes, if a leader does exceptionally well they may go from +0 to +3, or -3 to 0, etc. These will be rare though, or at the very least very difficult to acquire.
And this is why I wasn't hyped to see Volk back. Once again her stupidity reigns supreme.
I know you will do well my child. Just do what I did; abuse the shit out of Volk's lack of knowledge.
QuoteAnd this is why I wasn't hyped to see Volk back. Once again her stupidity reigns supreme.QuoteI know you will do well my child. Just do what I did; abuse the shit out of Volk's lack of knowledge.
Go on your knees and beg pls.
Stark wasn't let into any of your gamesQuoteAnd this is why I wasn't hyped to see Volk back. Once again her stupidity reigns supreme.QuoteI know you will do well my child. Just do what I did; abuse the shit out of Volk's lack of knowledge.
Go on your knees and beg pls.
I still stand by those comments. Others have done worse and said worse and been let back in so why should this be any different?
His actions got him permanently banned from the forums, big difference there.I think the only difference was you got super triggered
I can agree I got triggeredHis actions got him permanently banned from the forums, big difference there.I think the only difference was you got super triggered
I can agree I got triggeredHis actions got him permanently banned from the forums, big difference there.I think the only difference was you got super triggered
You think he'll ever look back and cringe?I can agree I got triggeredHis actions got him permanently banned from the forums, big difference there.I think the only difference was you got super triggered
I actually have to support Bravescot in this point, Stark seriously supported terrorism and made fun of thousands that died.
None, and none! I don't think any of us really care about some team winning some game somewhere in the world. I can see no reason why our long planned actions should now go vain, just because someone would go full deus ex machina and magically create soldiers out of mud and dust. Either such spawns would make no difference (yay, add 3k men to army of 100k, such change) or would make terrible difference (double size of an army by adding 3k to almost destroyed ensembly and let it fight even if it should be destroyed in next battle). And concerning time for plans - either we claim that limits are there to make game enjoyable for all us and to avoid forcing us to wait too long, or we claim that they're here just because you want them here and we start manipulating it at every occasion. But if the latter is true, then I can see no reason for existance of such limits at all. So I vote against any proposition.
I think the math mistake raddeo pointet put at the beginning is hurting me the most.
I think the math mistake raddeo pointet put at the beginning is hurting me the most.i think it's just your bad luck. You rolled the lowest possible roll while France rolled the highest possible roll. That one battle was like 40,000 casualties. You also loss every battle
BabyJesus, the fact that one is true, does not mean, that the other is not. Cazasar may indeed have terribly bad luck. But Volk's math may be as bad as Cazasar's luck.
I cannot think of any real battle during Napoleonic Wars, in which casualties of one side would be even remotely close to size of emeny's army. And in our game almost every battle ends with such results. In almost every battle in which size of one army is much bigger than size of the other, bigger army suffers irrational loses.
Battle of Emden, France had 6 500 men, Britain lost 4 350 men.
Battle of Torino, Russia had 20 000 men, Swedes lost 15 000 men.
Battle of Starnberg, France had 58 200, Austrians lost 53 750 men.
Battle of Viipuri, Denmark had 10 000, Russia lost 9 500 men.
Even in historical battle of Auestedt, casualties of Prussia were equal to only 55,5% of French army. Only event I can think of is pursuit after battle of Vauchamps, but if was a result of battle itself, in which loses of coallition were not even close to those which he have in our game.
Current mechanics and math used in this game make totally no sense. Neither historically nor tactically. It's impossible to predict results of any campaign, and even Montenegro could now rule the world after one battle with good rolls. I'm not starting this discussion again, I don't really care anymore, but as this topic was mentioned, I've felt obligated to show some things forth.
Ted for the last fucking time proofen is not a word. It is proven. I swear this is like the 10th time I have told you. I'm triggeredBabyJesus, the fact that one is true, does not mean, that the other is not. Cazasar may indeed have terribly bad luck. But Volk's math may be as bad as Cazasar's luck.
I cannot think of any real battle during Napoleonic Wars, in which casualties of one side would be even remotely close to size of emeny's army. And in our game almost every battle ends with such results. In almost every battle in which size of one army is much bigger than size of the other, bigger army suffers irrational loses.
Battle of Emden, France had 6 500 men, Britain lost 4 350 men.
Battle of Torino, Russia had 20 000 men, Swedes lost 15 000 men.
Battle of Starnberg, France had 58 200, Austrians lost 53 750 men.
Battle of Viipuri, Denmark had 10 000, Russia lost 9 500 men.
Even in historical battle of Auestedt, casualties of Prussia were equal to only 55,5% of French army. Only event I can think of is pursuit after battle of Vauchamps, but if was a result of battle itself, in which loses of coallition were not even close to those which he have in our game.
Current mechanics and math used in this game make totally no sense. Neither historically nor tactically. It's impossible to predict results of any campaign, and even Montenegro could now rule the world after one battle with good rolls. I'm not starting this discussion again, I don't really care anymore, but as this topic was mentioned, I've felt obligated to show some things forth.
I totally agree with this statement. Under the current ciecumstances it has proofen a MISTAKE to unite armies against your enemies because it does not give you an advantage, but insane losses due to the roll of a dice which is luck only.
Napoleon was Corsican, not Sicilian.I know.
By the way, I won't be able to work my plans until Friday - I have a lot of exams in my school which are important.
so if being Sicilian is an insult, then how do you feel about Naples?Napoleon was Corsican, not Sicilian.I know.
By the way, I won't be able to work my plans until Friday - I have a lot of exams in my school which are important.
It's to insult him
A useless placeso if being Sicilian is an insult, then how do you feel about Naples?Napoleon was Corsican, not Sicilian.I know.
By the way, I won't be able to work my plans until Friday - I have a lot of exams in my school which are important.
It's to insult him
you hear that bondage? Prussia called you uselessA useless placeso if being Sicilian is an insult, then how do you feel about Naples?Napoleon was Corsican, not Sicilian.I know.
By the way, I won't be able to work my plans until Friday - I have a lot of exams in my school which are important.
It's to insult him
Id like to hear him talk so lowly of Naples when his ruler turns up dead, ten cocks found in assyou hear that bondage? Prussia called you uselessA useless placeso if being Sicilian is an insult, then how do you feel about Naples?Napoleon was Corsican, not Sicilian.I know.
By the way, I won't be able to work my plans until Friday - I have a lot of exams in my school which are important.
It's to insult him
Id like to hear him talk so lowly of Naples when his ruler turns up dead, ten cocks found in assyou hear that bondage? Prussia called you uselessA useless placeso if being Sicilian is an insult, then how do you feel about Naples?Napoleon was Corsican, not Sicilian.I know.
By the way, I won't be able to work my plans until Friday - I have a lot of exams in my school which are important.
It's to insult him
Bring itId like to hear him talk so lowly of Naples when his ruler turns up dead, ten cocks found in assyou hear that bondage? Prussia called you uselessA useless placeso if being Sicilian is an insult, then how do you feel about Naples?Napoleon was Corsican, not Sicilian.I know.
By the way, I won't be able to work my plans until Friday - I have a lot of exams in my school which are important.
It's to insult him
Naples would kick your ass kidBring it. Both of youz
Can we get a bonus when Trump wins?Apparently they don't want any bonus or reward so I'm not doing one. Not even the time either :-\
Two weeks have passed since the last update so, just out of curiosity, when approximately could we expect another update? Have you, Volk, already received orders from all players?
Two weeks have passed since the last update so, just out of curiosity, when approximately could we expect another update? Have you, Volk, already received orders from all players?
I have not had time to give any orders so far as I'm currently taking three exams per week.
lol, like giving orders is gone take 3 hours. Normaly just finish in like 5min.
im alive
Happy Thanksgiving. How about those plans, eh?Think I sent mine
Any more updates guys? Lets get this show back on the road
update?
Cmon guys do you really expect someone to continue running something that no one takes interest in anymore?are you retarded or something? there was a huge amount of interest. Just look at the 1 plan sent to volk or all the responses Volks received whenever she posted
These are some pretty sick placeholders!Same