The sideblock bug is not fixed, just keep it as is I guess though.I guess taleworlds diden't fix it completely then :P
It seems about the same to me, haven't really been counting. Some matches it happens two rounds in a row and then nothing for a long string of rounds - it's just randomly infrequent I guess.The sideblock bug is not fixed, just keep it as is I guess though.I guess taleworlds diden't fix it completely then :P
Was it reduced at all?
Is it also related to the huge amount of pokes? it seems it have been multiplied by minimum 3!This is a very valid point, do you have an update on this?
Can the devs please stop voting to keep it? You should stay neutral until the poll is done :PThe devs aren't allowed to have an opinion?
Can the devs please stop voting to keep it? You should stay neutral until the poll is done :PThe devs aren't allowed to have an opinion?
For them it's basically the options of 'give myself extra work' or 'give myself no extra work'.Can the devs please stop voting to keep it? You should stay neutral until the poll is done :PThe devs aren't allowed to have an opinion?
I don't think the melee now is too different from what is was, just a case of learning the bits that have been changed. I do however wish that you would remove the glitch that shows a down or up-stab when it is in reality the opposite stab when you release, that glitch is the bane of my existence.
Could we get the VAC bans for s-keyers back too please?
THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN.
THE POLL HAS CHOSEN THE ANSWER.
THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN.as king badmin, the only vote that matters is mine.
THE POLL HAS CHOSEN THE ANSWER.
But u didn't voteTHE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN.as king badmin, the only vote that matters is mine.
THE POLL HAS CHOSEN THE ANSWER.
i have to let you all think your vote matters.But u didn't voteTHE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN.as king badmin, the only vote that matters is mine.
THE POLL HAS CHOSEN THE ANSWER.
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Poll summary:You're ridiculously generalising both parties.
Revert - people who actually melee and have plenty of experience with the awful delay
Keep - game developers and server admins
Really makes you think...
I'm about ready to quit NW because of this patch.
How the fuck is it fair that someone who has 80, can prime a new stab, while I am halfway through my animation for mine?
Its not fair thats the only answer and it makes melee for people with 10-20 ping infuriating.
There are a few anomalies sure, but my summary holds true for the vast majority of people.Vast majority is definitely a hyperbole and you're definitely wrong.
Apparently I'm a developer now 8)
Still the same mate.I'm about ready to quit NW because of this patch.
How the fuck is it fair that someone who has 80, can prime a new stab, while I am halfway through my animation for mine?
Its not fair thats the only answer and it makes melee for people with 10-20 ping infuriating.
Fair frustrations John - definitely feel free to share what exactly it is with the devs (or here), and I'm sure they'd want to hear specifics. Earlier you mentioned the pokes were the big gripe - has that changed?
low pingers complaining cuz their advantage is gone ripNot complaining that the advantage is gone, I am complaining because now it feels like they do. Its not level even now.
but i gotta admit that the patch made the game less enjoyable (even tho i voted to keep it) since you poke 10x more than before.
There are a few anomalies sure, but my summary holds true for the vast majority of people.which 4 people are those. i am only seeing 2 people who coded for the patch who voted to keep.
Heck, there's ~ 4 people who exclusively code voting to keep!
which 4 people are those. i am only seeing 2 people who coded for the patch who voted to keep.
so i am not seeing why who codes matters anyways.
Olaf isn't a coder.and going off the convo i had the other day, this really isn't even a coding thing for FSE. should be as simple as turning a certain flag on or off and maybe talking to TW about making tweaks. so i am not seeing why who codes matters anyways.
Vince, Olaf and Caesim for definite (I did say approx. 4 after all 8))so i am not seeing why who codes matters anyways.
I'm suggesting that perhaps the coders haven't experienced the consequences of their tweaks to a necessary extent before deciding on whether to keep it or not. The sideblock issue has been around forever and we all know why it exists, but to add in an attack delay as opposed to pushing TW to make the necessary engine tweaks is a poor solution that, in my opinion, does more harm than good.
which 4 people are those. i am only seeing 2 people who coded for the patch who voted to keep.
Vince, Olaf and Caesim for definite (I did say approx. 4 after all 8))so i am not seeing why who codes matters anyways.
I'm suggesting that perhaps the coders haven't experienced the consequences of their tweaks to a necessary extent before deciding on whether to keep it or not. The sideblock issue has been around forever and we all know why it exists, but to add in an attack delay as opposed to pushing TW to make the necessary engine tweaks is a poor solution that, in my opinion, does more harm than good.
The delay is the only proper solution... You clearly do not understand how network engines work.
my ping isn't stable anymore but idk if it's polish internet or bad servers idk xdChujova kurwa internetova.
Please don't take this hope I have away from me. I am about ready to disband 18e and fuck off so just let me have this.give me ESO first, thanks
don't forget to give Pluto Col, he deserves itPlease don't take this hope I have away from me. I am about ready to disband 18e and fuck off so just let me have this.give me ESO first, thanks
We are taking your comments into consideration. so keep writing your thoughts.
Right now the chance is high we will revert many changes to bring things back to how it was.
About pokes i cannot really comment, we haven't changed much.. perhaps its just linked to the new taleworlds engine version.. see how it is after the comming patch.
Please don't take this hope I have away from me. I am about ready to disband 18e and fuck off so just let me have this.Why are you tempting them to leave it the way it is? :o
indeed, isn't crushing hopes and dreams the main goal of every dev that ever lived?Please don't take this hope I have away from me. I am about ready to disband 18e and fuck off so just let me have this.Why are you tempting them to leave it the way it is? :o
haha screw you Thunder!
i voted revert but i changed my mind ok, keep it.traitor
We are taking your comments into consideration. so keep writing your thoughts.
Right now the chance is high we will revert many changes to bring things back to how it was.
About pokes i cannot really comment, we haven't changed much.. perhaps its just linked to the new taleworlds engine version.. see how it is after the comming patch.
During my inebriated rant last night, I forgot to mention that due to Warband's poor hit boxes there have always been issues with side blocking. It's why blocking attacks from cav is so hit-and-miss (pun intended) and why you can "bend" your bayonet around a player to avoid their block. So in addition to the sideblock lag bug, which is caused by server -> client communication and ping specifically (as Dr Olafson and his CS PhD correctly pointed out last night) there is also the issue of hit boxes, which is in fact a Warband engine issue.
So in conclusion, sideblock will probably always be messed up, and attempting to correct it has introduced more bugs and frustration than what existed in the first place. But I'm just a retarded player like Olafson pointed out, so what'd I know...
You're mainly irrelevant, and retarded.
You're mainly irrelevant, and retarded.
I rarely play NW anymore nevermind competitively, I'm just voicing opposition for the 90% of players that didn't even vote in the poll.
Oh and 20 years old with an anime Steam avatar.... Darn, how's it feel to know you'll never get even remotely close to touching a woman?
You're mainly irrelevant, and retarded.Oh and 20 years old with an anime Steam avatar.... Darn, how's it feel to know you'll never get even remotely close to touching a woman?
you're either delusional or a trollYou're mainly irrelevant, and retarded.
I'm just voicing opposition for the 90% of players that didn't even vote in the poll.
you're either delusional or a trollYou're mainly irrelevant, and retarded.
I'm just voicing opposition for the 90% of players that didn't even vote in the poll.
I win again 8)
Would love the melee to be reverted but the eastern europeans love it to much xd
Can we just revert back to the 2012 one?
Can we just revert back to the 2012 one?If we're going to make it that good, might as well go all the way and get the Mount and Musket version. Jump-crouch-stab was what set the men apart from the children, and I'd like to be one of the men this time around.
Can we just revert back to the 2012 one?
If not, then I can only hope to bolster support for old-school melee servers.
If you revert it, I will donate 200 dollas to fse.I'm guessing you're referring to the 2013 melee patch.
I basically stopped playing after this patch pls revert i beg you.
Idgaf about ur new game but ill even buy that just pls revert
nah pre NW melee.If you revert it, I will donate 200 dollas to fse.I'm guessing you're referring to the 2013 melee patch.
I basically stopped playing after this patch pls revert i beg you.
Idgaf about ur new game but ill even buy that just pls revert
If you revert it, I will donate 20.000 dollas to fse.this
I basically stopped playing after this patch pls revert i beg you.
Idgaf about ur new game but ill even buy that just pls revert
Can we just revert back to the 2012 one?
Can we just revert back to the 2012 one?
Just to make it clear: So i understand that right, that if you got a good ping the bug fix is bad for you? ???Good ping and bad ping alike have been getting at least twice as many pokes in melee as they used to before the patches.
yeah can we not have a melee system that fucks high pingers over pls
leave it as is
Does anyone know, why this discussion stopped and why the devs didn't properly close this thread?Because they can say they're technically still listening to suggestions from the community.
change it back
We do listen.
The updated patch got quite some delays but not because of us, I hope to push this stuff out of the door soon.
Sorry for any problems your having with the patch. we will update it soon.
The bug it was meant to fix wasn't fixed. The wrong block appearing still happens consistently. It's just that the patch added new amazing bugs from the delay that Taleworlds put in. Things like this, for instance:Spoiler(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/912416569045069658/302F6606752DEA8BCBD41240D42AAA0ECB1E69DB/)[close]
We do listen.
The updated patch got quite some delays but not because of us, I hope to push this stuff out of the door soon.
Sorry for any problems your having with the patch. we will update it soon.
The bug it was meant to fix wasn't fixed. The wrong block appearing still happens consistently. It's just that the patch added new amazing bugs from the delay that Taleworlds put in. Things like this, for instance:The sb glitch hasn't happened to me since the patch came out but maybe others experienced it idk.Spoiler(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/912416569045069658/302F6606752DEA8BCBD41240D42AAA0ECB1E69DB/)[close]
It seems to me the change helped a couple of people, made no noticeable difference to a lot of people, and screwed over everybody else through exacerbating the disagreement between the client and the server.
We do listen.
The updated patch got quite some delays but not because of us, I hope to push this stuff out of the door soon.
Sorry for any problems your having with the patch. we will update it soon.
Tbh, since the poll here in the thread is pretty much a draw and taking into consideration what Vincenzo/Olafson voted for, I think it‘s a safe bet that the melee changes are not going to be reverted.Despite the poll they said they were most likely going to change it.
Despite the poll they said they were most likely going to change it
He posted more as well but thats probs enough lelmy ping isn't stable anymore but idk if it's polish internet or bad servers idk xdChujova kurwa internetova.
Ping matters.. a lot.. especially in a game focused on timings.
We are taking your comments into consideration. so keep writing your thoughts.
Right now the chance is high we will revert many changes to bring things back to how it was.
About pokes i cannot really comment, we haven't changed much.. perhaps its just linked to the new taleworlds engine version.. see how it is after the comming patch.
cheers.
We do listen.
The updated patch got quite some delays but not because of us, I hope to push this stuff out of the door soon.
Sorry for any problems your having with the patch. we will update it soon.
where the revert @
Hey guys, we finally have the green light for finishing this thing.Not sure if this is in the list of bugs to/have been fixed already, in the admin panel, when trying to change some settings, it would change the team limit for "horsemen to 0%". I think I reported it already, someone else might be able to elaborate, its been a while since I played but it was extremely frustrating because you would have to change the map to get it to work.
If you have any last things you want added to the patch, bugs needing fixing or something like that please say so.
We did most things suggested in this topic already.
Hey guys, we finally have the green light for finishing this thing.Can you fix the tanking and the glancing, people can take 4-5 stabs and sometimes you can glance a guy 2-3 times in a row. That's just some stuff I'd like to have fixed.
If you have any last things you want added to the patch, bugs needing fixing or something like that please say so.
We did most things suggested in this topic already.
Thats literally what the whole point of this post was for o.0Hey guys, we finally have the green light for finishing this thing.Can you fix the tanking and the glancing, people can take 4-5 stabs and sometimes you can glance a guy 2-3 times in a row. That's just some stuff I'd like to have fixed.
If you have any last things you want added to the patch, bugs needing fixing or something like that please say so.
We did most things suggested in this topic already.
Okay?Thats literally what the whole point of this post was for o.0Hey guys, we finally have the green light for finishing this thing.Can you fix the tanking and the glancing, people can take 4-5 stabs and sometimes you can glance a guy 2-3 times in a row. That's just some stuff I'd like to have fixed.
If you have any last things you want added to the patch, bugs needing fixing or something like that please say so.
We did most things suggested in this topic already.
New patch hype!!!
make sure to make fastest the only speed possible so I don't have to play with medhumans anymoreIt's time to civilize the EU. Drag them into the future, kicking and screaming if they must.
the words of wisdom that we truly needmake sure to make fastest the only speed possible so I don't have to play with medhumans anymoreIt's time to civilize the EU. Drag them into the future, kicking and screaming if they must.
Man I can't wait for this new nw patch where they revert it pre-2013 nw melee.plz!! extra cheese xDDDDDD!!1
(only one could hope. But I do know it's not going to happen so why am I even bothering.)
happy?
happy?y e s
We did exactly that.GET FUCKKKKED MATT!!!!!!!
You hate to see itWe did exactly that.GET FUCKKKKED MATT!!!!!!!
We did exactly that.
Maybe it is something on your end and on your internet/network situation or the servers you play on and their location.