The General Political Thread

[DaMonkey]

Welcome to the wonderful world of contradictory legislation.

Remember the last time a state declared itself 'neutral' during a rebellion? Didn't last very long, did it?

Even Lincoln acknowledged Kentucky being in the right to remain neutral. The only thing that ended the neutrality was the raging incompetence of Confederate General Leonidas Polk who put into motion an invasion of Kentucky, despite the wishes of both his subordinates and Confederate President Jefferson Davis.


Edit I thought you were quoting from the Constitution, sorry that I was mistaken. The fact it is legislation instead frankly weakens the federalization stance.

[Duuring]

Welcome to the wonderful world of contradictory legislation.

Is it though?

A defense force established under this section may be used within the jurisdiction concerned, as its chief executive (or commanding general in the case of the District of Columbia) considers necessary, but it may not be called, ordered, or drafted into the armed forces.

[The president] may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State

It all depends on a. whether 'Federal Service' is equal to 'the Armed Forces' and b whether the emergency provisions in the Insurrection Act overstep this law. I think we agree on the answer though, that we just don't really know for sure until someone tries. The power of the president has evolved immensely, but considering it has only expanded, I believe he can federalize the state militia in case of an emergency.

Even Lincoln acknowledged Kentucky being in the right to remain neutral

Lincoln acceptance of Kentucky's neutrality was just political as he did nothing against pro-Union forces assembling and organizing, even after specifically being asked to.

[DaMonkey]

The point is rather or not it was considered "right" for a Governor to refuse State troops be federalized, not rather Lincoln was a politician willing to circumvent the law.

As to your other statements, it would probably depends on the pre-held views of those you asked. To me, "federal service" in the context is the same as calling into the armed forces - mileage varies.

[Duuring]

But Kentucky was never asked to federalize State troops, only to create new regiments specifically for federal service outside the territory of Kentucky.

[DaMonkey]

A poor word choice, I grant you. The Governor of Kentucky did refuse to raise said requested regiments. The Union and Confederate "Kentucky" regiments were formed without approval of the Commonwealth, without oversight from its officials, and weren't permitted to be raised within the borders of the Commonwealth.

Lincoln's "call" for volunteers asked Kentucky for four regiments, which Governor Beriah Magoffin refused. This refusal was [nominally] honored and permitted, with "creative" ways put into place to circumvent it. (the aforementioned regiments raised outside of the state of men who traveled to that state to enlist)

[Duuring]

That's what you get for having a lawyer as president, Americans.

[DaMonkey]

He wasn't just a lawyer; before running for an office he was a lobbyist for big rail corporations. "That's what ya get"

[Duuring]

The USA's entiry history just consists of someone telling the federal government they can't do something and then being told 'Just watch me', repeated many times over.

[DaMonkey]

Well, you're not wrong.

[Furrnox]

In other news Kim Jong-un and Moon Jae-in met today on South Korean soil, (this being the first time a member of the Kim family sets foot on South Korean soil since the Korea War) to discuss denuclearization and a peace agreement.

[StevenChilton]

In other news Kim Jong-un and Moon Jae-in met today on South Korean soil, (this being the first time a member of the Kim family sets foot on South Korean soil since the Korea War) to discuss denuclearization and a peace agreement.

Well, apart from his sister of course (and potentially also members of his murdered half-brother's family).

He's playing games, this is propaganda nothing more at a time when the regime is weak. He only recently survived a plot against him after the Chinese refused to back it and tipped him off. He's still going to end up like Mussolini (hung by a mob) or Stalin (murdered by his rivals). I hope it's the former.

[Furrnox]

I very much doubt the people have the courage or motive to kill him.
Do you have any source for this coup attempt?

Edit: I saw some nerd retweet this on twitter.
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/989795799633719297
It's over bois!  (and no I'm not a fan of CNN.)

[McPero]

In other news Kim Jong-un and Moon Jae-in met today on South Korean soil, (this being the first time a member of the Kim family sets foot on South Korean soil since the Korea War) to discuss denuclearization and a peace agreement.

Well, apart from his sister of course (and potentially also members of his murdered half-brother's family).

He's playing games, this is propaganda nothing more at a time when the regime is weak. He only recently survived a plot against him after the Chinese refused to back it and tipped him off. He's still going to end up like Mussolini (hung by a mob) or Stalin (murdered by his rivals). I hope it's the former.

Stalin mudered lol?

[McPero]

Look Russians and Assad making kids lie!!!!! 1
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-28/hassan-becomes-face-of-information-war-surrounding-syria-douma/9705538

[Duuring]

Remember folks, terrorbombing your people is okay as long as you don't gas them.