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Re: Why UK wants to leave the EU
« Reply #75 on: June 03, 2014, 08:13:11 am »
In my opinion sweden should leave eu. So y not uk xD

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Re: Why UK wants to leave the EU
« Reply #76 on: June 03, 2014, 03:20:01 pm »
In my opinion sweden should leave eu. So y not uk xD


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Re: Why UK wants to leave the EU
« Reply #77 on: June 08, 2014, 07:05:08 pm »
Look at these people, so butthurt about immigrants . Most of these people havnt probably even talked to anyone whos not from the UK. These parties often only have policy " Kick immigrants " But my question is how are those immigrants going to go out. are we going to fly on aladins carpet or ?. But besides from that they often have no good school policy neither on other questions. Only immigrants.

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Re: Why UK wants to leave the EU
« Reply #78 on: June 08, 2014, 07:27:15 pm »
...You realize that the US has had this kind of culture for years and we're still alive right?

Ha. Countries don't just "die". Of course we're still alive - but it doesn't take a nuclear holocaust to destroy us in other ways - the ways that really matter. The fall of the Roman empire is often agreed to be in the 5th century AD. At this point its culture, power and influence had shrunken to such a degree that it could no longer be considered the same political body as the old Roman Empire. Did anyone in 450 AD think to themselves "Well, here we are. Looks like I'm not living in the Roman Empire anymore! I'm a Frank now!"? No, they continued to live their lives and go about things as normal.

It's the same with any other empire, including the US. Our country is dying. Our culture is declining and the dissidence of the population is reaching levels unprecedented since the American Civil War. Will there be another civil war? It's doubtful to me any time in the next 50 years, but a lot can happen in that time. America is slowly ceasing to be a global superpower, and while I doubt there will be a single defining moment in time where that will come into solidity (a nuclear war perhaps would do it, but again, that would be extremely unlikely), things will certainly start to change noticeably for us, and increasingly so over the next decades.

We will continue to go about our lives as we always once did, and nothing will seem wrong to us because it's all we know. What reference point in our lives do we have to determine whether or not we're dying as a nation? History books? Pah, reading is for fags, right? And the people who do study our history either don't understand its relation to the current day or are too powerless to do anything about it. It's all fine though, the world is ever changing and our happiness does not hinge upon the existence of a meaningless political entity.

Is it really that unreasonable for observer countries to not want this happening to themselves? What started over a century ago in the United States is now happening in Europe. The whole point of studying history is to learn from our mistakes and make sure they don't happen again. Sure, the effects of unchecked mass immigration may not be evident in the short term, and everyone will go happily about their lives as those pesky "right wingers" wave their fists about the end of days and cultural armageddon. Sadly it takes a catastrophic event, or a series of them - as seen in the case of ww2 and the holocaust - for people to wake up. Hopefully people will start caring at some point. Until then we can only wait.
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Re: Why UK wants to leave the EU
« Reply #79 on: June 08, 2014, 07:38:03 pm »
...You realize that the US has had this kind of culture for years and we're still alive right?

Ha. Countries don't just "die". Of course we're still alive - but it doesn't take a nuclear holocaust to destroy us in other ways - the ways that really matter. The fall of the Roman empire is often agreed to be in the 5th century AD. At this point its culture, power and influence had shrunken to such a degree that it could no longer be considered the same political body as the old Roman Empire. Did anyone in 450 AD think to themselves "Well, here we are. Looks like I'm not living in the Roman Empire anymore! I'm a Frank now!"? No, they continued to live their lives and go about things as normal.

It's the same with any other empire, including the US. Our country is dying. Our culture is declining and the dissidence of the population is reaching levels unprecedented since the American Civil War. Will there be another civil war? It's doubtful to me any time in the next 50 years, but a lot can happen in that time. America is slowly ceasing to be a global superpower, and while I doubt there will be a single defining moment in time where that will come into solidity (a nuclear war perhaps would do it, but again, that would be extremely unlikely), things will certainly start to change noticeably for us, and increasingly so over the next decades.

We will continue to go about our lives as we always once did, and nothing will seem wrong to us because it's all we know. What reference point in our lives do we have to determine whether or not we're dying as a nation? History books? Pah, reading is for fags, right? And the people who do study our history either don't understand its relation to the current day or are too powerless to do anything about it. It's all fine though, the world is ever changing and our happiness does not hinge upon the existence of a meaningless political entity.

Is it really that unreasonable for observer countries to not want this happening to themselves? What started over a century ago in the United States is now happening in Europe. The whole point of studying history is to learn from our mistakes and make sure they don't happen again. Sure, the effects of unchecked mass immigration may not be evident in the short term, and everyone will go happily about their lives as those pesky "right wingers" wave their fists about the end of days and cultural armageddon. Sadly it takes a catastrophic event, or a series of them - as seen in the case of ww2 and the holocaust - for people to wake up. Hopefully people will start caring at some point. Until then we can only wait.


But thats a stupid comparison dont you think. World is alot larger now , media ,government , electricity the world is to changed to compare 2014 to 300 - 500 AD

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Re: Why UK wants to leave the EU
« Reply #80 on: June 08, 2014, 07:41:25 pm »
...You realize that the US has had this kind of culture for years and we're still alive right?

Ha. Countries don't just "die". Of course we're still alive - but it doesn't take a nuclear holocaust to destroy us in other ways - the ways that really matter. The fall of the Roman empire is often agreed to be in the 5th century AD. At this point its culture, power and influence had shrunken to such a degree that it could no longer be considered the same political body as the old Roman Empire. Did anyone in 450 AD think to themselves "Well, here we are. Looks like I'm not living in the Roman Empire anymore! I'm a Frank now!"? No, they continued to live their lives and go about things as normal.

It's the same with any other empire, including the US. Our country is dying. Our culture is declining and the dissidence of the population is reaching levels unprecedented since the American Civil War. Will there be another civil war? It's doubtful to me any time in the next 50 years, but a lot can happen in that time. America is slowly ceasing to be a global superpower, and while I doubt there will be a single defining moment in time where that will come into solidity (a nuclear war perhaps would do it, but again, that would be extremely unlikely), things will certainly start to change noticeably for us, and increasingly so over the next decades.

We will continue to go about our lives as we always once did, and nothing will seem wrong to us because it's all we know. What reference point in our lives do we have to determine whether or not we're dying as a nation? History books? Pah, reading is for fags, right? And the people who do study our history either don't understand its relation to the current day or are too powerless to do anything about it. It's all fine though, the world is ever changing and our happiness does not hinge upon the existence of a meaningless political entity.

Is it really that unreasonable for observer countries to not want this happening to themselves? What started over a century ago in the United States is now happening in Europe. The whole point of studying history is to learn from our mistakes and make sure they don't happen again. Sure, the effects of unchecked mass immigration may not be evident in the short term, and everyone will go happily about their lives as those pesky "right wingers" wave their fists about the end of days and cultural armageddon. Sadly it takes a catastrophic event, or a series of them - as seen in the case of ww2 and the holocaust - for people to wake up. Hopefully people will start caring at some point. Until then we can only wait.
Very good point. You are a pretty smart guy.

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Re: Why UK wants to leave the EU
« Reply #81 on: June 08, 2014, 07:43:53 pm »
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But thats a stupid comparison dont you think. World is alot larger now , media ,government , electricity the world is to changed to compare 2014 to 300 - 500 AD


It was a general comparison. Of course the US isn't directly comparable to the Roman empire, and that wasn't my point anyway. Every empire has its beginnings, heyday, gradual decline and then its fade into antiquity. This is true regardless of the time period, region or political circumstances present within the empire. Even with that in mind, the world has not actually changed all that much since the dawn of man. We still all have a need for sleep, food, water, love, happiness, unity, etc., and in the end these are really what matter - our basic human desires. Our forms of transportation, communication, warfare, material consumption, and values of wealth and property will always change, but the reasons for these things existing will always be the same. In that way I think the Roman Empire can be compared the US.

Edit: Sorry if I'm rambling a lot, my thoughts are all in a jumble right now.

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Re: Why UK wants to leave the EU
« Reply #82 on: June 08, 2014, 07:55:13 pm »
yea but, When the germans invaded the roman empire through immigrations it was forced immigrations. In the US you have to first wait for greencard etc before you can live there.

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Re: Why UK wants to leave the EU
« Reply #83 on: June 08, 2014, 08:01:15 pm »
That's really completely irrelevant to what I'm saying. I don't want to keep elaborating because it seems you missed my original point entirely. Immigration is only a tiny fraction of the bigger problem in western society. Please re-read my original post and see if it becomes clearer after keeping in mind what I said in response to your questions.

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Re: Why UK wants to leave the EU
« Reply #84 on: June 08, 2014, 10:54:50 pm »
sorry mistake , i thought you were one of those rightisst who blame everything on immigration

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Re: Why UK wants to leave the EU
« Reply #85 on: June 08, 2014, 11:17:11 pm »
That's fine, but even so, how would your response to my point refute it, even if that was what I was trying to claim? Does your claim that Roman society was far different from modern western society (a falsity) and that US immigrants need a green card, rather than simply invading and settling like they did in the Roman empire (also false, I'm not sure where you got that from) somehow refute an assertion that mass immigration is a source of many problems in western Europe? I'd be interested to hear you explanation for your own point of view, and in what parts of the argument in favor of euroskepticism you find problems.

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Re: Why UK wants to leave the EU
« Reply #86 on: June 17, 2014, 08:47:52 pm »

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Re: Why UK wants to leave the EU
« Reply #87 on: June 17, 2014, 10:42:56 pm »
That's fine, but even so, how would your response to my point refute it, even if that was what I was trying to claim? Does your claim that Roman society was far different from modern western society (a falsity) and that US immigrants need a green card, rather than simply invading and settling like they did in the Roman empire (also false, I'm not sure where you got that from) somehow refute an assertion that mass immigration is a source of many problems in western Europe? I'd be interested to hear you explanation for your own point of view, and in what parts of the argument in favor of euroskepticism you find problems.

Well , roman society got a a considerable ammount of difference from the western society, We dont have kings or Emperors. More likes government parties which isnt ruled by Families. And theres a huge difference in immigrations in the roman empire and the western society. All countries have a quota on how many people they can take in. Roman empire subjugated kingdoms and incorporated them into the empire. all states had a protector. Roman immigration wasnt a big problem until the goths got driven from their home by the scythians. They actually prospered through immigration but it didnt really exist because they conquered those lands and incorporated them which makes them part of the roman empire. But te difference between this immigration and then is that when the goths came they used more violence and many regions suddenly rebellioned. The empire was far to wide.

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Re: Why UK wants to leave the EU
« Reply #88 on: June 17, 2014, 10:46:04 pm »
We were talking society, not state politics which of course were different 2000 years ago.

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Re: Why UK wants to leave the EU
« Reply #89 on: June 17, 2014, 10:57:32 pm »
We're slowly going back towards a Roman-esq society since the Dark ages. People are starting to not give a shit about things as much again.