Clutches, and the best player you know

[Theodin]

Gotta agree with Kore, Jackie was always the best ever. Only EU's could ever challenge him consistently though, so maybe if like ClaSh or Harrier took him down idk the best NA ever had to offer was Tammo or Lithios, and they were combined like 1-10 against him? Idk

Hey, my list was based on my experience in the community and the comp scene, so you shouldn't ignore it, but build on it.

i dont like bill. like at all, but i think he should have been on the list. Gotta give credit where credit is due.

Wasn't even talking about him, but here are my reasons why he wasn't on my list:
1. He was slightly relevant for 2-3 months, and at a time when all of the players on my list declined considerably.
2. He had one good tournament, and won it by default, after the other finalist, who would have won that matchup, forfeited.
3. Players who didn't decline, and even those who did, still beat him.
4. He showed up in public servers- and that's it. NA GF, Public Duel NA, but could never dominate in a gf tourny or be consistent in duel tournies. "King of practice"

He can be an honourable mention for believing himself best NA without doing anything worthwhile to prove that.

Putting him with Jackie, Harrier and ClaSh? Not even close.

[Coconut]

every NA tourney in which Jackie or Tammo were in the top 3, they took 1st. When they practiced and actually played NW and showed up for tournies they took 1st always.

[BabyJesus]

Since I didn't really play competitivly before 2015, my NA names, for 2015, would be- listed randomly.
Ap0c, Tammo, Lithios (When he came back), JackieChan, Maple, AsianP, Mitchell, Fireboy, Shine, DJ Overjoy, Puppy, Chev, Ritz, Suns, Kovy and Mang. (And me =P)
These were all players who, in 2015, had an impact in the competitive NA melee scene and were the "players to beat" so to speak.

I was talking about this list of players Theo. I never said Bill was better than Jackie or this other players. But Bill is probably better than atleast half these players including yourself. As far as I know, you didn't do anything worth mentioning. And you definitely weren't the most consistent in lbs.

[Superbad]

Forgot me on that list, Theo

[Kore]

Don't forget about Zzehth, whenever I look on some tourney where Jackie was, Zzehth was always 2nd or 3rd xd


Also my top NA in EU players would be Jackie, Zzehth, Sleek, Redwall and recently Puppytron (the others I have not seen or I don't remember them xd)

[Herishey]

Jackie was, is and will be the best

I know a lot of "top" EU players that would debate that, dunno about NA.

dw you are the best EU

Nah I'm not, I never was. I just think there were a fair few EU's better than him and myself.

I know The fact is that there is no best player, everyone can beat anyone

In consistency I'd say Evan, almost every 5v5 tournament he has been in he won, same goes for most tournaments he was in, but then basing it only on tournaments rules out players like Eddie who didn't attend many so anyway you judge it will be flawed (for EU at least).

[Kore]

Jackie was, is and will be the best

I know a lot of "top" EU players that would debate that, dunno about NA.

dw you are the best EU

Nah I'm not, I never was. I just think there were a fair few EU's better than him and myself.

I know The fact is that there is no best player, everyone can beat anyone

In consistency I'd say Evan, almost every 5v5 tournament he has been in he won, same goes for most tournaments he was in, but then basing it only on tournaments rules out players like Eddie who didn't attend many so anyway you judge it will be flawed (for EU at least).

I based my opinion on duels mainly, but I agree with you. Evan's consistency was (and still is) great.

[GeneralSquirts]

Theodin's opinions never fail to amuse me

THEODINS OPINION IS GR8 GUISE. HE DIDNT PUT BILL IN HIS CLUTCH LIST WHICH MAKES HIS OPINION WORTH SO MUCH JA

DUDE THEODIN IS ALWAYS RITE BECAUSE HE SED SO11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111

imo i think lawbringer was the best

[Cazasar]

Puppy was amazing on EU

[Saxon]

Puppy was amazing on EU

I only duelled him once, which was on pub na duel but maybe he got better lol

[Krastinov]

Since I didn't really play competitivly before 2015, my NA names, for 2015, would be- listed randomly.
Ap0c, Tammo, Lithios (When he came back), JackieChan, Maple, AsianP, Mitchell, Fireboy, Shine, DJ Overjoy, Puppy, Chev, Ritz, Suns, Kovy and Mang. (And me =P)
These were all players who, in 2015, had an impact in the competitive NA melee scene and were the "players to beat" so to speak.

I was talking about this list of players Theo. I never said Bill was better than Jackie or this other players. But Bill is probably better than atleast half these players including yourself. As far as I know, you didn't do anything worth mentioning. And you definitely weren't the most consistent in lbs.

[Zzehth]

I remember when FSE moderators did something about this type of threads.

But oh well, already beated the page record from the old melee skill thread.
https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=15398.210

Shout out to the greatest player of all time Doxy.

I totally agree, Doxy and Dom13.

[Theodin]

Since I didn't really play competitivly before 2015, my NA names, for 2015, would be- listed randomly.
Ap0c, Tammo, Lithios (When he came back), JackieChan, Maple, AsianP, Mitchell, Fireboy, Shine, DJ Overjoy, Puppy, Chev, Ritz, Suns, Kovy and Mang. (And me =P)
These were all players who, in 2015, had an impact in the competitive NA melee scene and were the "players to beat" so to speak.

I was talking about this list of players Theo. I never said Bill was better than Jackie or this other players. But Bill is probably better than atleast half these players including yourself. As far as I know, you didn't do anything worth mentioning. And you definitely weren't the most consistent in lbs.

I think you would find that he actually wasn't. Everyone on that list, to my knowledge, beat him. About me? Nah, my lb scores weren't all that consistent, but when I was on fire it was hard to beat me (#epeen train).

I remember when I tried to make a thread like this, back in the day. Got locked after like 3 pages

[Lawbringer]

Bill beat AsianP, Kovy, Suns, Mitchell and Mang.

Then again Theodin only hears of the things he wants to hear of.

[Theodin]

Bill beat AsianP, Kovy, Suns, Mitchell and Mang.

Then again Theodin only hears of the things he wants to hear of.

And they all beat him back. Look, he got wins, but he was never dominant or in the conversation.