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Re: Beta's Shack Beta's Shack Dutch V0.1 Released! Pg 43 and front
« Reply #660 on: May 31, 2013, 02:43:36 pm »
Dutch never had colourguards with pikes. The colourguard was made of the six fouriers of the batallion. A sergeant-major Colourbearer held the flag.

The 7de had a white flag with gold decorations. I'm not sure what was written on it. Either "7eme batallion de Ligne - Vive le Roi" or "Aan Koning en Vaderland getrouw". Might have both (one side each). It was a pretty flag anyway.

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Re: Beta's Shack Beta's Shack Dutch V0.1 Released! Pg 43 and front
« Reply #661 on: May 31, 2013, 05:58:57 pm »
Pics or it never happened
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Re: Beta's Shack Beta's Shack Dutch V0.1 Released! Pg 43 and front
« Reply #662 on: June 01, 2013, 05:16:47 pm »
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Re: Beta's Shack Beta's Shack Dutch V0.1 Released! Pg 43 and front
« Reply #663 on: June 01, 2013, 05:19:05 pm »
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Hur dur... I need the actual flag (flat not folded) so that I can try and recreate  the flag
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Re: Beta's Shack Beta's Shack Dutch V0.1 Released! Pg 43 and front
« Reply #664 on: June 01, 2013, 05:30:12 pm »
That might be a tat harder...

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Re: Beta's Shack Beta's Shack Dutch V0.1 Released! Pg 43 and front
« Reply #665 on: June 01, 2013, 05:35:28 pm »
That might be a tat harder...

How hard can it be, e-mail the re-enactment group asking for a photo of the flag. Thats assuming you know the specific group by name.

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Re: Beta's Shack Beta's Shack Dutch V0.1 Released! Pg 43 and front
« Reply #666 on: June 01, 2013, 09:01:08 pm »
That might be a tat harder...

How hard can it be, e-mail the re-enactment group asking for a photo of the flag. Thats assuming you know the specific group by name.

I think the flag of the 7de is carried by a re-enactmentgroup called the 7de, hmm?

I'll see what I can do.

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Re: Beta's Shack Beta's Shack Dutch V0.1 Released! Pg 43 and front
« Reply #667 on: June 01, 2013, 09:10:53 pm »
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Re: Beta's Shack Beta's Shack Dutch V0.1 Released! Pg 43 and front
« Reply #668 on: June 01, 2013, 09:57:21 pm »
Isn't it just like the following but white?



Wreath on one side and the aforementioned text on the other, plus mistletoe decoration all around.

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Re: Beta's Shack Beta's Shack Dutch V0.1 Released! Pg 43 and front
« Reply #669 on: June 01, 2013, 09:58:32 pm »
i need a bigger one Q.Q

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Re: Beta's Shack Beta's Shack Dutch V0.1 Released! Pg 43 and front
« Reply #670 on: June 01, 2013, 10:51:37 pm »
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Pretty cool.

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Re: Beta's Shack Beta's Shack Dutch V0.1 Released! Pg 43 and front
« Reply #671 on: June 02, 2013, 12:43:42 am »
Isn't it just like the following but white?



Wreath on one side and the aforementioned text on the other, plus mistletoe decoration all around.

Could be, but I've seen other designs as well. Lemme get back on it. Thing is that this design (the orange one) wasn't officially used until 1820.

Edit: After plunging into a hole mess of photo's of the 7de, I was lucky! this is what I came up with:

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Seems you're right, but I'm not too sure...This photo is five years old, from a period we knew almost nothing on the flags during the campaign, and I never saw the flag from up close. They might have changed it. I'm not sure where I read the '7eme batalion de Ligne - Vive le Roi' design, but I did read it SOMEWHERE.
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Re: Beta's Shack Beta's Shack Dutch V0.1 Released! Pg 43 and front
« Reply #672 on: June 02, 2013, 07:04:15 am »
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Flag of the 27ste Jager, not the same battalion but no doubt similar I'm sure
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The 7de reenactment group marching, you can somewhat see the flag
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In this one I can somewhat see the words "AAN KONING EN VADERLAND" on the flag in this picture
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Re: Beta's Shack Beta's Shack Dutch V0.1 Released! Pg 43 and front
« Reply #673 on: June 02, 2013, 08:20:35 am »
That should be enough to go on. White, mistletoe, wreath on one side and text on the other (at least, that's the way those re-enactors have it).

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Re: Beta's Shack Beta's Shack Dutch V0.1 Released! Pg 43 and front
« Reply #674 on: June 02, 2013, 11:24:17 am »
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It's not that simple. These flags, with the lion standard, were not issued until 1820. There were official fanions handed out as a temporarily measure - But that wasn't until the regiments returned from the Waterloo campaign in December 1815. White seems to be the general colour of Southern Dutch Regiments, as the 36ste Jagers carried a flag not unlike the 27ste, but white. A describtion says the following:
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Description of the No. 36 flag in its present state: size: approximately 80 centimetres by 80 centimetres; colour: white; obverse: outer border with a simple oak leaf-like outer edge; in every corner a small bugle, diagonally placed with their bells pointed towards the centre; in the centre the text "BATAILLON/DE/CHASSEURS/No. 36"; reverse: as the obverse, except for the centre, which displays the crowned royal cipher "W".

You can see that the oak-leafs were popular way before the official standards were handed out.

The flag saying 'Comp Vrij willige Jagers' is not a fanion, but the Guidon of volunteer companies. Here is baron Van Breugel, a student at the time. He and many of his colleague-students formed a volunteer company that was attached to the 16de Jagers.
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Flag of the 27ste Jager, not the same battalion but no doubt similar I'm sure
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I don't think a line regiment would carry a light infantry flag.

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The 7de reenactment group marching, you can somewhat see the flag
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In this one I can somewhat see the words "AAN KONING EN VADERLAND" on the flag in this picture

There must be 'Gewyd' at the end, but yeah, I can read it too. I suppose the 7de is carrying the December Fanion.