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Title: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: YS23 on July 03, 2023, 01:15:36 pm
Greetings everyone

I am actually saddened by the fact at what state the game is in. I see so many Napoleonic Era games dying. A lot of older Napoleonic games are not satisfying to play anymore due to their graphics being outdated and gameplay mechanics. Take Napoleon Total War for example, with recent updates the game is broken. Sound is not working properly and regular crashes. Mods do not work at all anymore. Now to come back to the topic of NW. Ofcourse, this game is getting old, but the gameplay is still a lot better than the current state of Sword & Musket for Bannerlord and the game from Anvil Studios called Holdfast. I understand that people are growing older and their personal lives are getting busier. Teamspeak servers are expensive (for this we have also Discord which is free) and maintaining an ingame server is expensive too. I also see that many people play this game solely for tournaments and these lists that I've seen. Why can we not enjoy the game as historical enthusiasts who care about this time period? I do not wish to offend anyone, this is merely a picture that I get.

Isn't there really any way to revive Napoleonic Wars for Warband? I would like to help in any way I can since I am a big Napoleonic Era enthusiast and it pains me to see that there aren't many games out there to enjoy within that time period.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: Wursti on July 03, 2023, 01:16:37 pm
Well I know of atleast 50+ active regiments, so it doesnt seem that dead

its mostly competetive players that left the game themselves and try to talk it dead :D
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: YS23 on July 03, 2023, 01:23:32 pm
Well I know of atleast 50+ active regiments, so it doesnt seem that dead
Lot's of regiments have disbanded. Compared to 2014 the game has lost a lot of players (which is understandable). The forums are also barely being used anymore. The contacts of these 50+ regiments are difficult to find since it seems that many don't use the forums any longer. Also foreign regiments that don't speak English have decreased. Take for example, Portuguese, Spanish, Russian, Polish, Swedish, Turkish. Lot's of these regiments that speak these languages have little to none existent anymore. I am only trying to find a way to bring more life into this game, I only don't know how.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: John Price on July 03, 2023, 02:03:00 pm
I do find it quite funny that only now people come out of the woodworks to try and keep the game alive. Probably should have done something sooner if you really cared that much.

There is still a casual community, but the comp one (at least the high level comp scene) is very much dead.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: YS23 on July 03, 2023, 02:04:28 pm
I do find it quite funny that only now people come out of the woodworks to try and keep the game alive. Probably should have done something sooner if you really cared that much.

There is still a casual community, but the comp one (at least the high level comp scene) is very much dead.
What can one individual achieve? I wanted to help much sooner, but my voice is irrelevant.

That is good to hear that there are still casual groups as I am more interested in this game for the historical aspect and bigger linebattles.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: Chainsor on July 03, 2023, 03:52:46 pm
Imo the game is somewhat still "active". Obviously the numbers aren't the same as they were a few years ago but you can still find a good amount of casual players during the regular events. I can somewhat retrace the "50+" number by wursti, but lets be real: We dont really see them. Back in the days we had 2-3 full linebattle servers per day. Right now we barely fill 1 server. Also have a look at the casual servers which attracted a good amount of players a few years back. This aint the case anymore. The comp scene is basically non exisiting anymore, because many, including me, dont have the interest to actively play at all. Right now I personally only play the game because I enjoy playing it with my regiment. It somewhat feels like a "burn out" for many people i assume

I do find it quite funny that only now people come out of the woodworks to try and keep the game alive. Probably should have done something sooner if you really cared that much.

Now? I think you forgot this has been a topic the last 3-4 years ish
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: Wursti on July 03, 2023, 03:54:53 pm
chuck fainsor
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: YS23 on July 03, 2023, 04:15:06 pm
Imo the game is somewhat still "active". Obviously the numbers aren't the same as they were a few years ago but you can still find a good amount of casual players during the regular events. I can somewhat retrace the "50+" number by wursti, but lets be real: We dont really see them. Back in the days we had 2-3 full linebattle servers per day. Right now we barely fill 1 server. Also have a look at the casual servers which attracted a good amount of players a few years back. This aint the case anymore. The comp scene is basically non exisiting anymore, because many, including me, dont have the interest to actively play at all. Right now I personally only play the game because I enjoy playing it with my regiment. It somewhat feels like a "burn out" for many people i assume
Exactly. They are almost nowhere to be found. Public servers have also decreased. There are only 2 servers I could think of that are somewhat populated, but not by much anymore. I get that with the competitive scene people get burn outs. People want to win and it brings stress for many players. Many say that casual events are boring and only the competitive scene interests them. But where is their enthusiasm for the Napoleonic Era? And I get it, it's a game, it's supposed to be fun. Getting shot in the beginning of a round and then waiting for an hour isn't amusing indeed. But, there are flag spawn events now which counter this problem, and honestly I enjoyed them quite a lot. Still do, actually. I want to change the state of the game, to bring more players and have these events rocking again like they used to. But as an individual with an irrelevant voice, I do not know how.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: Wursti on July 03, 2023, 04:18:10 pm
Maybe remove ze Tomaten from your eyes if you cant see the regiments, i see every reg of the ones I have on my docs for NWMC

chuck fainsor

ofc its more dead than in especially 2018 and before but comparing 2023 to these times is stupid

Casual is well alive, its just the top players that all seem to have left as price said, compared to last year
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: John Price on July 03, 2023, 04:21:17 pm
Now? I think you forgot this has been a topic the last 3-4 years ish
I was referring to the casuals, such as OP.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: YS23 on July 03, 2023, 06:50:20 pm
Casual is well alive, its just the top players that all seem to have left as price said, compared to last year
Then why can I barely see any regimental activity on public servers for trying to recruit people? To play in general? They also don't use the forums anymore. It is very difficult to get in touch with them. Casual is not so very alive anymore as you might think. Public servers are also getting more and more empty. Yes some events might still happen. I understand we will never be able to go back to the peak of NW once had. My only wish is to bring more players to the game so we can have multiple large events again and a bigger playerbase.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: Zeyden 狼 on July 03, 2023, 11:01:00 pm
Casual is well alive, its just the top players that all seem to have left as price said, compared to last year
Then why can I barely see any regimental activity on public servers for trying to recruit people? To play in general? They also don't use the forums anymore. It is very difficult to get in touch with them. Casual is not so very alive anymore as you might think. Public servers are also getting more and more empty. Yes some events might still happen. I understand we will never be able to go back to the peak of NW once had. My only wish is to bring more players to the game so we can have multiple large events again and a bigger playerbase.
Competitive is 95% dead, but casual is still a bit more alive and if you can't find regular players on the servers anymore it's just because there aren't any left, the only casuals are centralized around the remaining regiments, and they're probably only logging on to play events
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: YS23 on July 03, 2023, 11:21:28 pm
Lately, I have been playing NW daily. Mostly Tropical Paradise and Minisiege. I haven't seen a lot of individuals with regiment tags. There is truth in Zeyden's comment. However, there are still people playing on these servers frequently, but they aren't as populated as ever. And most of them don't like regiments at all. Today, I was on Minisiege and almost the full L-G regiment was there. Good to see them still going.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: [Stryker] on July 05, 2023, 03:08:28 pm
Only real solution is making NW an independent game which is not possible. FSE tried a while back and if I’m remembering correctly Paradox shot the idea down.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: tommyxd on July 05, 2023, 03:29:09 pm
Lately, I have been playing NW daily. Mostly Tropical Paradise and Minisiege. I haven't seen a lot of individuals with regiment tags. There is truth in Zeyden's comment. However, there are still people playing on these servers frequently, but they aren't as populated as ever. And most of them don't like regiments at all. Today, I was on Minisiege and almost the full L-G regiment was there. Good to see them still going.
There casual community is split in 2 basically, the pubs who play on tp and minisiege, of whom the majority seem to hate regiments with a passion especially on tropical. And the regimental players who mainly play events or modded events
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: ~NickCole~ on July 06, 2023, 03:43:00 am
Lately, I have been playing NW daily. Mostly Tropical Paradise and Minisiege. I haven't seen a lot of individuals with regiment tags. There is truth in Zeyden's comment. However, there are still people playing on these servers frequently, but they aren't as populated as ever. And most of them don't like regiments at all. Today, I was on Minisiege and almost the full L-G regiment was there. Good to see them still going.
If you are looking for a NW type game go to Holdfast. I haven't played HF in a while so not sure how active the community is there. I will warn you that the mechanics are quite different compared to warband.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: IcePimpDaddy on July 06, 2023, 06:01:52 am
Lately, I have been playing NW daily. Mostly Tropical Paradise and Minisiege. I haven't seen a lot of individuals with regiment tags. There is truth in Zeyden's comment. However, there are still people playing on these servers frequently, but they aren't as populated as ever. And most of them don't like regiments at all. Today, I was on Minisiege and almost the full L-G regiment was there. Good to see them still going.
If you are looking for a NW type game go to Holdfast. I haven't played HF in a while so not sure how active the community is there. I will warn you that the mechanics are quite different compared to warband.

never forget when nickcole got ratiod by glenn
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: Chainsor on July 06, 2023, 09:49:41 am
Lately, I have been playing NW daily. Mostly Tropical Paradise and Minisiege. I haven't seen a lot of individuals with regiment tags. There is truth in Zeyden's comment. However, there are still people playing on these servers frequently, but they aren't as populated as ever. And most of them don't like regiments at all. Today, I was on Minisiege and almost the full L-G regiment was there. Good to see them still going.
If you are looking for a NW type game go to Holdfast. I haven't played HF in a while so not sure how active the community is there. I will warn you that the mechanics are quite different compared to warband.

how can you say this without having a laugh?
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: YS23 on July 06, 2023, 10:58:36 am
The problem with Holdfast is in my opinion how the community manages their regiments and events. It is all through seperate Discord servers. It is such a sloppy mess. In my opinion forums are far better to manage such a widespread community. If you use it simply for a regiment to communicate with each other, also because it is a lot cheaper and in most cases free, I could really live with that. Maybe I am growing old I do not know, but in my opinion sometimes what gets invented in the future is not always better than what exists in the past. Besides, the community is also very toxic (ofcourse it is an internet community, every has a bit of that), but still. If you come up with different ideas, they just cannot deal with it.

About the gameplay of Holdfast, I tried it and the gameplay is just not satisfying or by any means enjoyable. This got nothing to do with skill (I know I get shit on by a lot of players) the game feels very unresponsive, hitboxes are bugged. Also, I feel the game is more a shooting fest, especially on the public servers. To this day, I still feel NW is superior than any other Napoleonic game of its genre (except for the graphics, ofcourse Holdfast is eye candy compared to NW). We will have to see if Sword & Musket will be able to pull out something magical. I hope the Napoleonic singleplayer mod (Guns & Powder I think?) will be something good as well.

Only real solution is making NW an independent game which is not possible. FSE tried a while back and if I’m remembering correctly Paradox shot the idea down.
I get your point, it would be awesome to have another standalone Napoleonic game, but if that would have happened, if Paradox accepted it, then I am afraid it would have ended up like BCoF. It's almost like Holdfast but in the ACW period. I could be wrong, but seeing how long they worked on BCoF, and how dead it is right after release. It's worrying.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: ~NickCole~ on July 06, 2023, 05:21:55 pm
Lately, I have been playing NW daily. Mostly Tropical Paradise and Minisiege. I haven't seen a lot of individuals with regiment tags. There is truth in Zeyden's comment. However, there are still people playing on these servers frequently, but they aren't as populated as ever. And most of them don't like regiments at all. Today, I was on Minisiege and almost the full L-G regiment was there. Good to see them still going.
If you are looking for a NW type game go to Holdfast. I haven't played HF in a while so not sure how active the community is there. I will warn you that the mechanics are quite different compared to warband.

how can you say this without having a laugh?
Hehe ;). On a serious note trust me I know the game sucks but just was just giving him an option incase he hasn't played it yet.





Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: King_Macbeth on July 06, 2023, 06:22:24 pm
What even happened to EU? Last time I checked like 2-3 months ago there were at least 3 open events at a Saturday EU time now theres 1 event left??? Maybe I just noticed this at a time when an event was cancelled… Did a bunch of regiments check out or something?
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: Wursti on July 06, 2023, 06:23:16 pm
The Top3 regs disbanded / their Gren companies
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: King_Macbeth on July 06, 2023, 06:23:56 pm
The Top3 regs disbanded / their Gren companies

You mean they all disbanded within the last 3 months??? Also could you let me know what they are?
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: Wursti on July 06, 2023, 06:25:40 pm
15th_YR, 55th and 45thN Gren company all disbanded after last RGL

Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: King_Macbeth on July 06, 2023, 06:50:58 pm
15th_YR disbanded, 55th disbanded and 45thN Gren company disbanded after last RGL
Oh wow thats a shame to see.

I cant speak for EU since I dont usually like to get involved in EU stuff. But I think NA we had a big decline in 2022 but in 23 I think we are doing pretty well with what we got all things considered. Theres 2 NA events and 2 SA events per week that ppl can attend and although the weekday NA and SA barely get anymore than 70-80 the weekend events have been up to 140 most of the time. Though to be fair its rly inconsistent with a shitton of fluctuation, i.e last week during july 2 some regs called out and we only got about 80-90 people online for the event. But I think we have been doing better to slow down the decline by inviting pubs to play the event and using auto admin to solve most of rule enforcement issues i.e instead of slaying for FOL, just make the shot emit 0 dmg.

And I think the remaining NA regs especially 61e Nr9 CSC and 84th have been doing pretty well to retain numbers despite the decline through other means. Idk about the rest but as long as you think outside the box youll find rcts. I also noticed SA has been having a bit of a resurgence. Regs like the BGP LFR and 6L have resurfaced and have been playing pretty consistently which is a big deal since they also get rcts and keep their regiments alive. Im rly hopeful for 6L since they an argentine regiment and argentine players have a similar issue as to French players. They almost always only stick with their own and never with anyone else so now that there is an Argentine regiment again im hopeful thatll get more bros playing. The big thing right now is that I think NA and SA regs have never been closer before. We got a whole thing organized where the admins of NA and SA events coordinate and discuss things together and agree one scheduling to keep both regions as alive as possible.

Also as long as we got 1 public server for NA overall, BBG Bot survival, I think we should be alright as is. Alot of new players rly like playing bot survival and its not a terrible place to find rcts. Whenever theres an NA event, ill always send a shoutout to the BBG server to come play and I think now a good amt of the pubs have begun to routinely play the NA event because of it.


If you asked me right now how long NA will last. Id prob say at least until early 2025 at this rate unless Bannerlord fixes its shit until then. some of you might call BS on this. But as long as I dont die or get a woman accidentally pregnant (cuz nw players get babes 24/7) im willing to continue to host NA events and I dont see any reason now as to why other NA and SA regs wud stop playing now except for like 41e cuz the comp league might end soon afaik (dont quote me on this i dont run the league just noticed there havent been any games going on). But all the other regs seem to be fine playing just public events anyway.

Asia has been a fuckfest recently with some anti GM drama against zhengdes 2ic and the new leader of the 60th. But I dont think Asia will die either anytime soon.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: Wursti on July 06, 2023, 06:55:40 pm
Yea Warbands player numbers are increasing while Bannerlord's is decreasing aswell


And thats without WSE taken into account, so I think the state didnt change in the past 1-2 years, its just the ppl that leave that try their best to talk it dead
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: tommyxd on July 06, 2023, 06:58:09 pm
Yea Warbands player numbers are increasing while Bannerlord's is decreasing aswell


And thats without WSE taken into account, so I think the state didnt change in the past 1-2 years, its just the ppl that leave that try their best to talk it dead
Also june-july has always been dead AF for nw for years now cause exams and then holidays/vacations. Same thing happened in 2022, 2021 was more alive around this time period due to EGS
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: King_Macbeth on July 06, 2023, 07:02:02 pm
Yea Warbands player numbers are increasing while Bannerlord's is decreasing aswell


And thats without WSE taken into account, so I think the state didnt change in the past 1-2 years, its just the ppl that leave that try their best to talk it dead

Yeah, I am a bit worried to see that the 3 biggest in EU have disbanded/downsized though. But overall, from my experience, most new players I rct are just flat out uninterested to play comp shit. They just want to play huge ass linebattles and duke it out against others. I remember back on 2018-19 every once in a while I would have ppl leave the 61e and join a competitive only regiment but that hasnt rly happened to us since like 2020. most of the ppl on these forums who are active are comp players so they are the ones who are naturally most likely to preach about the game being dead here.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: King_Macbeth on July 06, 2023, 07:03:06 pm
Yea Warbands player numbers are increasing while Bannerlord's is decreasing aswell


And thats without WSE taken into account, so I think the state didnt change in the past 1-2 years, its just the ppl that leave that try their best to talk it dead
Also june-july has always been dead AF for nw for years now cause exams and then holidays/vacations. Same thing happened in 2022, 2021 was more alive around this time period due to EGS

Yeah true in EU a couple regiments go on break during summer
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: tommyxd on July 06, 2023, 07:06:28 pm
Yea Warbands player numbers are increasing while Bannerlord's is decreasing aswell


And thats without WSE taken into account, so I think the state didnt change in the past 1-2 years, its just the ppl that leave that try their best to talk it dead

Yeah, I am a bit worried to see that the 3 biggest in EU have disbanded/downsized though. But overall, from my experience, most new players I rct are just flat out uninterested to play comp shit. They just want to play huge ass linebattles and duke it out against others. I remember back on 2018-19 every once in a while I would have ppl leave the 61e and join a competitive only regiment but that hasnt rly happened to us since like 2020. most of the ppl on these forums who are active are comp players so they are the ones who are naturally most likely to preach about the game being dead here.
Compared to 2018-19 nowadays there is a pretty big skill gap between the comp players that are still playing and the newer players which doesn't make comp very attractive to new ppl unless u market it specifically for them with a league 2 which didn't really work last EGS since the top l2 teams demolished everyone else and teams that actually consisted of new players got stomped.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: Wursti on July 06, 2023, 07:07:58 pm
Yea Warbands player numbers are increasing while Bannerlord's is decreasing aswell


And thats without WSE taken into account, so I think the state didnt change in the past 1-2 years, its just the ppl that leave that try their best to talk it dead

Yeah, I am a bit worried to see that the 3 biggest in EU have disbanded/downsized though. But overall, from my experience, most new players I rct are just flat out uninterested to play comp shit. They just want to play huge ass linebattles and duke it out against others. I remember back on 2018-19 every once in a while I would have ppl leave the 61e and join a competitive only regiment but that hasnt rly happened to us since like 2020. most of the ppl on these forums who are active are comp players so they are the ones who are naturally most likely to preach about the game being dead here.

Yea exactly

I also enjoy casual LBs more atm and there was a downtime ofc in summer as normally, many regs got a summer break etc

But there were more and more people again in the past events
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: YS23 on July 06, 2023, 07:09:50 pm
To be very honest with you, I could care less about competitive stuff these times either. I get that some people just enjoy this game for its time period and would like to play "Napoleon Total War" in NW if you understand what I mean with that.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: King_Macbeth on July 06, 2023, 07:11:37 pm
Yea Warbands player numbers are increasing while Bannerlord's is decreasing aswell


And thats without WSE taken into account, so I think the state didnt change in the past 1-2 years, its just the ppl that leave that try their best to talk it dead

Yeah, I am a bit worried to see that the 3 biggest in EU have disbanded/downsized though. But overall, from my experience, most new players I rct are just flat out uninterested to play comp shit. They just want to play huge ass linebattles and duke it out against others. I remember back on 2018-19 every once in a while I would have ppl leave the 61e and join a competitive only regiment but that hasnt rly happened to us since like 2020. most of the ppl on these forums who are active are comp players so they are the ones who are naturally most likely to preach about the game being dead here.
Compared to 2018-19 nowadays there is a pretty big skill gap between the comp players that are still playing and the newer players which doesn't make comp very attractive to new ppl unless u market it specifically for them with a league 2 which didn't really work last EGS since the top l2 teams demolished everyone else and teams that actually consisted of new players got stomped.

Yeah I agree especially with the gap. Also I know a lot of ppl here will jizz their pants over WBMM but to be perfectly honest, I dont think that really did the comp community any favors since that server essentially made the only GF server in existence become blocked by a sign-up only wall in order to play. Which to any new player that has interest in getting good with the bayonet is most likely going to get filtered out by a sign up process regardless if it takes only 0.1 seconds to do.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: King_Macbeth on July 06, 2023, 07:12:44 pm
To be very honest with you, I could care less about competitive stuff these times either. I get that some people just enjoy this game for its time period and would like to play "Napoleon Total War" in NW if you understand what I mean with that.

Yeah I definitely agree with what you are saying. The bigger the battle the more fun. The more destruction and carnage the more exciting!
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: YS23 on July 06, 2023, 07:16:03 pm
To be very honest with you, I could care less about competitive stuff these times either. I get that some people just enjoy this game for its time period and would like to play "Napoleon Total War" in NW if you understand what I mean with that.

Yeah I definitely agree with what you are saying. The bigger the battle the more fun. The more destruction and carnage the more exciting!
Hell yes. And I get that people find it boring, cause sometimes you get shot in the first few seconds of the round and you will have to wait for a long time until you can play again. But there are solutions, such as the Flag Spawn events etc..
I also feel that the Conquest game mode is something severely underrated.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: tommyxd on July 06, 2023, 07:19:24 pm
getting shot at the start of the round is still better than getting tked by friendly arty in the first 2 mins on ur first ever event
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: King_Macbeth on July 06, 2023, 07:21:08 pm
To be very honest with you, I could care less about competitive stuff these times either. I get that some people just enjoy this game for its time period and would like to play "Napoleon Total War" in NW if you understand what I mean with that.

Yeah I definitely agree with what you are saying. The bigger the battle the more fun. The more destruction and carnage the more exciting!
Hell yes. And I get that people find it boring, cause sometimes you get shot in the first few seconds of the round and you will have to wait for a long time until you can play again. But there are solutions, such as the Flag Spawn events etc..
I also feel that the Conquest game mode is something severely underrated.

I remember back in 2020 the IVe had a pretty intersting conquest event. You could have the regiment mass spawn at a point. lol i even remember in the chinese community we would do a conquest event where the map was Taiwan
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: YS23 on July 06, 2023, 10:44:07 pm
I remember myself a huge conquest map as well. It was a historical battle, very long time ago. Would be nice if Napoleonic Wars featured more factions than 2 in one "game" so to speak. That would spice things up as well I think.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: Octanidas on July 06, 2023, 10:50:56 pm
I can only speak for the European Cavalry Community:

Competitive is 100% inactive, the last tournament was ages ago (i believe Autumn 2021) and the only remnants are small teams and casual regiments just doing little groupfights.

The casual side is still alive, but i don't know much more about it than the fact that there are still some regiments filling the cavalry spots in Linebattle Events, and the one that i'm in can get up to the maximum unit sitze of 13 players, at least sometimes. On other days we only get around 7.

The state of the Community has become a meme in that way that some people would write "Nice training yesterday, looking forward to the match tomorrow" on regimental forum pages, just to point out that nothing is going on  ;D
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: King_Macbeth on July 07, 2023, 03:16:54 am
I remember myself a huge conquest map as well. It was a historical battle, very long time ago. Would be nice if Napoleonic Wars featured more factions than 2 in one "game" so to speak. That would spice things up as well I think.
Pretty interesting…. Technically there is a way to achieve what youre saying via changing uniforms units spawn with thru minor editing of the files though idk if youd be able to modify voicelines….
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: Argie on July 08, 2023, 08:24:43 am
yo lads have you considered >.> recruiting  8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: FearlessHussar on July 08, 2023, 09:31:22 am
To be perfectly honest, I do not believe that things are that bad, especially for a game that is 11 years old by now. Comp is dead but there are 2 public servers that are active and have plenty of people depending on the time of day. Many events still run and even the mod events are still a thing(yes, we are still alive). It is more of a problem that the entire scene has become kinda stale and old which has left many people disinterested and worse still, prevents the game from attracting new players. Well, the full price on steam might have something to do with that last point too but that is not something that is up to us to fix. As for helping out, I dont know. I dont think that at this point, individually, there is much that can be done. A suggestion in case you want to play sth slightly different to NW would be to play on the mod events as they are public and all. Or just play on TP or Minisiege and i guess you can also advertise the game to friends.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: EtrepcarTheDealer on July 08, 2023, 01:44:45 pm
I mean, for an almost 10 year old game it's almost a miracle that it still has the numbers and community surrounding it and that is without updates for years now.

There was a thread years ago (I think 2014-2015?) on here about how the game is dying and how it will become a wasteland in the following 1-2 years. That really didn't come to fruition, thankfully, but it shows how much people overreact to even a small dip in player numbers.

Still, even if the game "dies" then there is no point in fighting against that much, since it's inevitable. Although, who knows, maybe after 3-5 years there will be a renaissance of it, just like what happened to Minecraft. I know it's not a great comparison but still: it was huge in the early 2010s, had a negative stigma it was associated with and subsequently stagnated/"died" in around 2015-2016, then became popular again in 2019/2020.

I mean there is technically a "solution" (well, more like a bandaid) but it would require a lot of money, a lot of patience and it's not exactly foolproof: buying keys/gifts of the Warband DLC Collection (includes NW) or just the NW DLC and mass distributing it on a giveaway site like SteamGift/just giving it away to someone on your friendlist. It's not a guarantee they will actually play in the comp/reg scene or even NW, but it would be probably increase the amount of people playing Warband in general.
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: tommyxd on July 08, 2023, 02:00:44 pm
Well, the full price on steam might have something to do with that last point too but that is not something that is up to us to fix.
you can buy warband and nw for around 3-4 euros on some sites
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: FearlessHussar on August 22, 2023, 10:40:33 pm
People: NW IS DYING!

Meawhile Deluge:
(https://i.imgur.com/nxfU6kG.jpg)
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: maskmanmarks on August 23, 2023, 05:01:27 am
50+ regiments maybe true at a stretch but the 5 biggest regiments  (at least) full strength would bring more players than 50 5 man regiments. (Talking about 2018+)

It's just a shame that huge staple international regiments, other than 33rd and maybe 16th, have died, regiments like 92nd, 17th/40th - in its short time, 45thN of course, 32nd and 19th just haven't been replaced.

Also regiments exclusive to their nations have died out, not only looking at the 3pp in the Polish scene/ or the 98e in Turkey or the VG/14e in France but also there used to be tons of regiments from seriously niche countries back in 2015 onwards, that'd bring huge numbers. I remember a Hungarian as well as a Romanian regiment bringing 30-40+ each daily to my line battles. Also the DDA from Denmark!

Nice to see Deluge popping though :)
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: John Price on August 24, 2023, 12:31:55 am
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50+ regiments maybe true at a stretch but the 5 biggest regiments  (at least) full strength would bring more players than 50 5 man regiments. (Talking about 2018+)

It's just a shame that huge staple international regiments, other than 33rd and maybe 16th, have died, regiments like 92nd, 17th/40th - in its short time, 45thN of course, 32nd and 19th just haven't been replaced.

Also regiments exclusive to their nations have died out, not only looking at the 3pp in the Polish scene/ or the 98e in Turkey or the VG/14e in France but also there used to be tons of regiments from seriously niche countries back in 2015 onwards, that'd bring huge numbers. I remember a Hungarian as well as a Romanian regiment bringing 30-40+ each daily to my line battles. Also the DDA from Denmark!

Nice to see Deluge popping though :)
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This is a discussion we could have for hours upon hours, but many of the language based regiments proved more of a hinderance to the community than an actual benefit for much of the time they existed. There are also other English speaking ones I could say the same about.

Things like NWBC and the Regimental 2v2 tourney were great ideas that had been discussed before Kincaid had put it into fruition, but I'll be honest regiments like 45thN ruined it for the more casual ones. Regiments didn't want to join these big events which are supposed to bring the whole community together to get sweated on and trolled by the top 1% of players. Then I see posts like these that talk about how much of a shame it is that these regiments sat in their corner and just died out.

Also some mentioned regiments/corps like DDA keep getting mentioned despite them not being active as a FULL UNIT in way over 8 years now. DDA was big back in the early days of the NWL era (relative to now, they werent even that big) then would only come back for a few months here and there with a smaller company or two just to leave again. What impact did they really have on the longevity of the community?

If you look back, regiments from the likes of Marks, MrSt3fan (early 33rd), Wolfster, Heinrich and Kaide (painful as that is to say) did way more to get people interested in all sides of the NW community, than most of these regiments ever did. Yet for some reason nobody even mentions them.

Not trying to attack you or anything btw Mask its just your post provides one example to a conversation thats been had many times xD
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: Vegi. on August 24, 2023, 12:45:53 am
Your poor ass hosting made competitive die, *snip*
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: Miloradovich on August 24, 2023, 11:39:55 am
Your poor ass hosting made competitive die, *snip*
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: Janne on August 24, 2023, 12:42:14 pm
from saviors of nw to killers of nw damn
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: Coco. on August 24, 2023, 04:38:17 pm
Your poor ass hosting made competitive die, *snip*
Title: Re: Napoleonic Wars - Current state - almost dead?
Post by: Zeyden 狼 on August 27, 2023, 09:37:42 pm
Your poor ass hosting made competitive die, *snip*