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Re: What if the War of 1812 came to Europe?
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2014, 11:49:29 pm »
"THIS RIVER IS OURS"

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Re: What if the War of 1812 came to Europe?
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2014, 01:56:01 am »
How can you possibly claim a river?
In the mid-19th century the Mississippi river was the most important trade route in the middle west of North America. So it makes sense. Why fought Germany and France over centuries for the Rhine river? Why founded the Dutch New Amsterdam at the Hudson mouth? Why are most big cultures founded at big rivers? It's all about trade. Ka-Ching!



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Re: What if the War of 1812 came to Europe?
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2014, 02:31:00 am »
If America made it to Europe I don't think they would have enough troops/resources coming in to help supply the army.

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Re: What if the War of 1812 came to Europe?
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2014, 05:30:04 am »
A few US Rifle regiments on the side of the French in the peninsula could have made Spain a very deadly place for British officers. Think of what happened to Brock, Ross, and Pakenham in the War of 1812.

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Re: What if the War of 1812 came to Europe?
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2014, 08:32:06 am »
A few US rifle regiments would likely be dead by the end of the war. Officer aiming was common in the French army too so the reality is, that wouldn't make much difference.
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Re: What if the War of 1812 came to Europe?
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2014, 07:00:18 am »
The French did not use rifles.

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Re: What if the War of 1812 came to Europe?
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2014, 11:37:28 am »
So? They did use light infantry. To great extent and effect.

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Re: What if the War of 1812 came to Europe?
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2014, 06:07:04 pm »
But anything the French can do the Americans can do better? Duh.

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Re: What if the War of 1812 came to Europe?
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2014, 06:15:01 pm »
I wasn't aware the Americans were better at losing than the French. I'll have to note that one down for future reference.
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Re: What if the War of 1812 came to Europe?
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2014, 06:20:29 pm »
Better at surrendering too, wow you learn something new every day.
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Re: What if the War of 1812 came to Europe?
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2014, 07:46:55 pm »
I was only pointing out something that is common knowledge. The rifle is much more accurate then the smoothbore and therefore better able to pick out an individual target. It has nothing to do with who is a better shot. The French experimented with rifles and decided not to use them because of their slow rate of fire. The question of the thread being how could a US presence on the side of the French in Europe have made any appreciable difference. My assertion being that only a well placed shot by a US rifleman on a high value target, such as Wellington himself, is the only conceivable way, using 3 dead British field commanders in the War of 1812 as supporting evidence. The deaths of generals Brock and Ross being especially damaging to the British war effort in America.
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Re: What if the War of 1812 came to Europe?
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2014, 08:13:48 pm »
I wasn't aware the Americans were better at losing than the French. I'll have to note that one down for future reference.
Better at surrendering too, wow you learn something new every day.

The French actually have a better overall military win/loss ratio than the British :-*

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Re: What if the War of 1812 came to Europe?
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2014, 10:33:41 pm »
Wellington was not a leading-from-the-front type of guy, so the change that an American Rifleman would have been able to pick him of is very small.

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Re: What if the War of 1812 came to Europe?
« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2014, 10:49:39 pm »
I wasn't aware the Americans were better at losing than the French. I'll have to note that one down for future reference.
Better at surrendering too, wow you learn something new every day.

The French actually have a better overall military win/loss ratio than the British :-*

against minor powers.* Fixed that one for you.

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Re: What if the War of 1812 came to Europe?
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2014, 10:54:48 pm »
Minor powers such as the Prussians, Austrians and Russians?