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Are the "Oldest Pyramids of the world" that were found in Crimea, the real reason for the War?

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4440 on: April 03, 2015, 01:11:27 pm »
Remember the discussion about the terror acts performed by Spanish Anarchists? Remember how you felt? That's why.

lmao, you probably saw that very selective dutch documentary on the civil war, where they spend half the docu talking to some old nun.

Statistics from the period between February 16 and June 15, 1936 show that  a  class  war  was  breaking  out: 
“One  hundred  sixty  churches  burned down;  269  deaths;  1,287  injured;  113  general  strikes,  228  partial  strikes,
and 145 bombings.”

The political make-up of the country was: “UGT, 1,447,000  members;  CNT,  1,577,000  members.” 
These  numbers  totaled more than three million, indicating that more than a third of the country’s eight million workers were unionized.

The  Right  “had  549,000  enrolled  in  its  diverse  organizations;  from 20,000 to 30,000 retired soldiers; 50,000 falangists; 50,000 priests, and millions and millions of pesetas.”

When the army officers rebelled, Peoples Defence Committees defeated them in all major cities but two.
People who were roaming the streets were shot from church bell  towers,  bourgeois  homes,  or  rightwing  centers. 
Workers also erected barricades and patrolled the streets in areas outside the main centers of the struggle.
When they found someone shooting from a house, church, or clerical center they attacked the building on their own initiative.
They burned down churches when they found a priest or priests inside firing.

Here's an anecdote from Durruti to see how bad life is in Ancom society,
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Durruti stopped his car at a checkpoint at a town in the Lérida province.
He  portrayed  himself  as  a  militiaman  leaving  the  front  for  the  rearguard and requested gasoline for his vehicle.

By doing this, he wanted to see how the  peasant’s  behavior  had  changed  in  that  town  of  some  three  thousand residents.
A militiaman told him that he should speak to the Revolutionary Committee  in  the  old  mayor’s  office.  They’d  give  him  the  “OK”  that  he needed to fill his car with gas.

Durruti crossed the town’s main square. It was around noon. The square was empty except for some women leaving the church with a basket of goods.
Durruti asked them how to get to the Committee and also if mass was being officiated in the church.
“No, no,” they responded. “There’s no priest. The priest is working in the field with the other men. Kill him? Why kill him? He isn’t dangerous.
He even talks about going to live with a town girl. Besides, he’s very happy with everything that’s happening.
“But the church is right there,” said Durruti, while pointing.

“Ah,  yes,  the  church.  Why  destroy  it?  The  statues  were  removed  and burned in the square. God no longer exists. He’s been expelled from here.
And, since God doesn’t exist, the assembly decided to replace the word “adios” [with God] with “Salud” [cheers].
The Cooperative now occupies the church and, because everything is collectivized, it supplies the town.”

Durruti  came  across  an  elderly  man  when  he  entered  what  was  once the  mayor’s  office. 
It  was  the  town’s  former  schoolteacher,  who  had  been replaced by a young teacher from Lérida three months earlier.

The old man had been inactive during those months but, when the revolution broke out, he volunteered to look after the town’s administrative needs and assure the
continued  operation  of  the  Town  Committee. 

The  other  members  of  the Committee were working in the fields. They gathered at nightfall to discuss pressing matters that had come up during the day or tasks that they needed
to accomplish the next day. At the time, they had to focus on taking in the harvest.
Since the town’s young people had volunteered to go fight on the front, the remaining residents had to do the work.
“But  don’t  think,”  the  retired  teacher  said,  “that  the  work  weighs  on anyone. We work for ourselves now, for everyone.”
Durruti asked him how they had selected the members of the Committee. Durruti’s straightforward and simple air inspired the teacher’s trust, who took him as one of the many curious militiamen
from the city who wanted to see what was happening in the towns.

“We held a town assembly,” he said, “and considered everyone’s abilities and also their conduct before the revolution.
That’s how we appointed the Committee.” “And what about the political parties?” Durruti said.

“Parties? There are some old Republicans like myself and some Socialists too; but no, the political parties haven’t played any role.
During our assembly, we considered a person’s ability and conduct and appointed those who seemed best to us. It was no more complicated than that.
The Committee represents the people and it’s to the people that it has to answer.”

Durruti asked about the parties again. “The parties?” the teacher replied, intrigued by his insistence. “Why do we need political parties? You work to eat and eat if you work.
Party politics don’t sow wheat, gather olives, or tan animal hides. No, our problems are collective  and  we  have  to  solve  them  collectively. 

Politics  divides  and  our town wants to be united, in total community.” “By all appearances, everyone is happy here.
But what about the old landowners?” Durruti inquired. “They aren’t happy,” the teacher responded. “They don’t say so outright, because they’re afraid, but you can see it on their faces.
Some have joined the community, others have chosen what we now call ‘individualism.’ They’ve kept their land but have to cultivate it themselves, because the exploitation of man by man no longer exists here, and so they won’t find any employees.

“But what happens if they can’t cultivate their land themselves?”“That  simply  shows  that  they  have  too  much  land  and  the  town  takes possession of what they can’t tend to.
Leaving the land uncultivated would be an attack on all of us.”

Durruti said goodbye to the teacher and, when he returned to the checkpoint, the workers on guard asked him if he’d received the gasoline that he needed. He told them yes with a smile and threw them a “Salud!” from the car as he took off for Barcelona.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4441 on: April 03, 2015, 01:19:25 pm »
I've never watched any docu about the Spanish civil war. My point is that when the side one identifies with, is accused of crimes, the usual reaction is always to defend one's side. Why? Because we never think of ourselves as 'evil' or 'wrongdoers', and we feel like saying that 'our' side did something wrong is like saying 'we' did something wrong. The reaction is always either to deny the crimes, or deny that the ones who performed these crimes are part of 'our side'.

You see that massive post you just made? That kinda just proves my point.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4442 on: April 03, 2015, 03:03:07 pm »
I like that explanation.

Its very difficult to view the world through an unbias lens since we are after-all human and not without emotional wants and impulses that affect the way we see or judge the world, not to mention the million other factors that have shaped us along the way.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4443 on: April 03, 2015, 03:03:59 pm »
Long live Francisco Paulino Hermenegildo Teódulo Franco y Bahamonde Salgado Pardo.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4444 on: April 03, 2015, 09:07:24 pm »
Poroshenko recently forbid all films that paint a positive picture of Russia.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4445 on: April 03, 2015, 09:08:29 pm »
Cool. Now he's just like Putin.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4446 on: April 03, 2015, 09:20:52 pm »
No, Poroshenko can't do this:

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4447 on: April 03, 2015, 10:35:02 pm »
Well, you got us there. No denying that.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4448 on: April 03, 2015, 10:37:15 pm »
Quote
Here's an anecdote from Durruti to see how bad life is in Ancom society,
Spoiler
Durruti stopped his car at a checkpoint at a town in the Lérida province.
He  portrayed  himself  as  a  militiaman  leaving  the  front  for  the  rearguard and requested gasoline for his vehicle.

By doing this, he wanted to see how the  peasant’s  behavior  had  changed  in  that  town  of  some  three  thousand residents.
A militiaman told him that he should speak to the Revolutionary Committee  in  the  old  mayor’s  office.  They’d  give  him  the  “OK”  that  he needed to fill his car with gas.

Durruti crossed the town’s main square. It was around noon. The square was empty except for some women leaving the church with a basket of goods.
Durruti asked them how to get to the Committee and also if mass was being officiated in the church.
“No, no,” they responded. “There’s no priest. The priest is working in the field with the other men. Kill him? Why kill him? He isn’t dangerous.
He even talks about going to live with a town girl. Besides, he’s very happy with everything that’s happening.
“But the church is right there,” said Durruti, while pointing.

“Ah,  yes,  the  church.  Why  destroy  it?  The  statues  were  removed  and burned in the square. God no longer exists. He’s been expelled from here.
And, since God doesn’t exist, the assembly decided to replace the word “adios” [with God] with “Salud” [cheers].
The Cooperative now occupies the church and, because everything is collectivized, it supplies the town.”

Durruti  came  across  an  elderly  man  when  he  entered  what  was  once the  mayor’s  office. 
It  was  the  town’s  former  schoolteacher,  who  had  been replaced by a young teacher from Lérida three months earlier.

The old man had been inactive during those months but, when the revolution broke out, he volunteered to look after the town’s administrative needs and assure the
continued  operation  of  the  Town  Committee. 

The  other  members  of  the Committee were working in the fields. They gathered at nightfall to discuss pressing matters that had come up during the day or tasks that they needed
to accomplish the next day. At the time, they had to focus on taking in the harvest.
Since the town’s young people had volunteered to go fight on the front, the remaining residents had to do the work.
“But  don’t  think,”  the  retired  teacher  said,  “that  the  work  weighs  on anyone. We work for ourselves now, for everyone.”
Durruti asked him how they had selected the members of the Committee. Durruti’s straightforward and simple air inspired the teacher’s trust, who took him as one of the many curious militiamen
from the city who wanted to see what was happening in the towns.

“We held a town assembly,” he said, “and considered everyone’s abilities and also their conduct before the revolution.
That’s how we appointed the Committee.” “And what about the political parties?” Durruti said.

“Parties? There are some old Republicans like myself and some Socialists too; but no, the political parties haven’t played any role.
During our assembly, we considered a person’s ability and conduct and appointed those who seemed best to us. It was no more complicated than that.
The Committee represents the people and it’s to the people that it has to answer.”

Durruti asked about the parties again. “The parties?” the teacher replied, intrigued by his insistence. “Why do we need political parties? You work to eat and eat if you work.
Party politics don’t sow wheat, gather olives, or tan animal hides. No, our problems are collective  and  we  have  to  solve  them  collectively. 

Politics  divides  and  our town wants to be united, in total community.” “By all appearances, everyone is happy here.
But what about the old landowners?” Durruti inquired. “They aren’t happy,” the teacher responded. “They don’t say so outright, because they’re afraid, but you can see it on their faces.
Some have joined the community, others have chosen what we now call ‘individualism.’ They’ve kept their land but have to cultivate it themselves, because the exploitation of man by man no longer exists here, and so they won’t find any employees.

“But what happens if they can’t cultivate their land themselves?”“That  simply  shows  that  they  have  too  much  land  and  the  town  takes possession of what they can’t tend to.
Leaving the land uncultivated would be an attack on all of us.”

Durruti said goodbye to the teacher and, when he returned to the checkpoint, the workers on guard asked him if he’d received the gasoline that he needed. He told them yes with a smile and threw them a “Salud!” from the car as he took off for Barcelona.
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This doesn't really make any sense to me. Are you against anarcho-communism? I thought that's what you are? Or is this sarcastic? Please explain your point here.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4449 on: April 03, 2015, 10:39:05 pm »
Quote
Here's an anecdote from Durruti to see how bad life is in Ancom society,
Spoiler
Durruti stopped his car at a checkpoint at a town in the Lérida province.
He  portrayed  himself  as  a  militiaman  leaving  the  front  for  the  rearguard and requested gasoline for his vehicle.

By doing this, he wanted to see how the  peasant’s  behavior  had  changed  in  that  town  of  some  three  thousand residents.
A militiaman told him that he should speak to the Revolutionary Committee  in  the  old  mayor’s  office.  They’d  give  him  the  “OK”  that  he needed to fill his car with gas.

Durruti crossed the town’s main square. It was around noon. The square was empty except for some women leaving the church with a basket of goods.
Durruti asked them how to get to the Committee and also if mass was being officiated in the church.
“No, no,” they responded. “There’s no priest. The priest is working in the field with the other men. Kill him? Why kill him? He isn’t dangerous.
He even talks about going to live with a town girl. Besides, he’s very happy with everything that’s happening.
“But the church is right there,” said Durruti, while pointing.

“Ah,  yes,  the  church.  Why  destroy  it?  The  statues  were  removed  and burned in the square. God no longer exists. He’s been expelled from here.
And, since God doesn’t exist, the assembly decided to replace the word “adios” [with God] with “Salud” [cheers].
The Cooperative now occupies the church and, because everything is collectivized, it supplies the town.”

Durruti  came  across  an  elderly  man  when  he  entered  what  was  once the  mayor’s  office. 
It  was  the  town’s  former  schoolteacher,  who  had  been replaced by a young teacher from Lérida three months earlier.

The old man had been inactive during those months but, when the revolution broke out, he volunteered to look after the town’s administrative needs and assure the
continued  operation  of  the  Town  Committee. 

The  other  members  of  the Committee were working in the fields. They gathered at nightfall to discuss pressing matters that had come up during the day or tasks that they needed
to accomplish the next day. At the time, they had to focus on taking in the harvest.
Since the town’s young people had volunteered to go fight on the front, the remaining residents had to do the work.
“But  don’t  think,”  the  retired  teacher  said,  “that  the  work  weighs  on anyone. We work for ourselves now, for everyone.”
Durruti asked him how they had selected the members of the Committee. Durruti’s straightforward and simple air inspired the teacher’s trust, who took him as one of the many curious militiamen
from the city who wanted to see what was happening in the towns.

“We held a town assembly,” he said, “and considered everyone’s abilities and also their conduct before the revolution.
That’s how we appointed the Committee.” “And what about the political parties?” Durruti said.

“Parties? There are some old Republicans like myself and some Socialists too; but no, the political parties haven’t played any role.
During our assembly, we considered a person’s ability and conduct and appointed those who seemed best to us. It was no more complicated than that.
The Committee represents the people and it’s to the people that it has to answer.”

Durruti asked about the parties again. “The parties?” the teacher replied, intrigued by his insistence. “Why do we need political parties? You work to eat and eat if you work.
Party politics don’t sow wheat, gather olives, or tan animal hides. No, our problems are collective  and  we  have  to  solve  them  collectively. 

Politics  divides  and  our town wants to be united, in total community.” “By all appearances, everyone is happy here.
But what about the old landowners?” Durruti inquired. “They aren’t happy,” the teacher responded. “They don’t say so outright, because they’re afraid, but you can see it on their faces.
Some have joined the community, others have chosen what we now call ‘individualism.’ They’ve kept their land but have to cultivate it themselves, because the exploitation of man by man no longer exists here, and so they won’t find any employees.

“But what happens if they can’t cultivate their land themselves?”“That  simply  shows  that  they  have  too  much  land  and  the  town  takes possession of what they can’t tend to.
Leaving the land uncultivated would be an attack on all of us.”

Durruti said goodbye to the teacher and, when he returned to the checkpoint, the workers on guard asked him if he’d received the gasoline that he needed. He told them yes with a smile and threw them a “Salud!” from the car as he took off for Barcelona.
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This doesn't really make any sense to me. Are you against anarcho-communism? I thought that's what you are? Or is this sarcastic? Please explain your point here.

Sarcasm.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4450 on: April 03, 2015, 10:40:32 pm »
Alright. So is Durruti not an anarchist and you're making fun of him, or is Durruti himself making fun of those opposing anarchism in this anecdote?

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« Reply #4451 on: April 03, 2015, 11:19:43 pm »
Not making fun of everyone, Just wanted to show that there is such a thing as revolutionary order. Behind the lines, people were changing their ways of life and creating new social relationships.

Workers’ control was pervasive in the area's around Barcelona aswel and the rapid transformation of daily life was pretty impressive.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4452 on: April 04, 2015, 01:03:33 am »
Poroshenko recently forbid all films that paint a positive picture of Russia.
Freedom's just better when you don't have anyone questioning whether they're free

But of course we will be denied Saving Private Nyet. The thrilling tale of a squad of Russian soldiers who save Matt Damon from the clutches of Ukrainian freedom
Fuck off, Nazi scum

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4453 on: April 05, 2015, 04:57:01 pm »
Poroshenko recently forbid all films that paint a positive picture of Russia.
It's a lie.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #4454 on: April 05, 2015, 06:01:34 pm »
Poroshenko recently forbid all films that paint a positive picture of Russia.
It's a lie.

No shit lol  ;)