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Title: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 03, 2015, 09:42:06 pm
                                 
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English civil war(s) was an armed conflict in England during the 17th century between Parliament and Royalists, supporters of then current King Charles I and King Charles II. It was divided into 3 civil wars, always won by Parliamentarians. The main result was execute of King Charles I and exile of Charles II. The war involved more than 200,000 people, most of them died. English civil war was a big part of English, Scottish and Irish history, and it was a part of War of three kingdoms. It was a bloody war. I and many other people  will not forget it. Generals and soldiers were so brave, they fought for their beliefs, for their country, or for their king.
Huzzah! Bring peace and honour to England! To arms!
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Mod is set in the First English civil war. You can play as a musketeer or pikeman,
Scottish lancer or Royalist dragoon.
Features
-Historical and accurate regiments of that time
-New weapons: use pike or musket
-New sounds, like musket firing sound or new drum sounds
-New music
-New maps
-New animations
...and many more!
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                                                Parliament                                                                                Royalists                                                                                                                   
                                  Infantry: Philip Skippon's Reg of Foot                                                 Infantry: Prince Rupert's Reg of Foot
                                                Edward Montagu's Reg of Foot                                                            Earl of Newcastle's Reg of Foot
                                                Thomas Fairfax's Reg of Foot                                                               King Charles I's Reg of Lifeguards
                                                Clubmen Farmers and Militia                                                                Captain Sanford's Firelocks
                                                Earl Marischal's Scott Covenanter Reg of Foot                                     Montrose Irish Mercenary Brigade
                                                Tower Hamlets Trayned Bande                                                             Robert Strickland's Trained Bande
                                  Cavalry: Okey's Reg of Dragoons                                                         Cavalry: James Ussher's Dragoons
                                                Cromwell's Ironsides                                                                            Prince Rupert's Reg of Horse
                                                Arthur Haslerig's Reg of Cuirassiers                                                     Charles I's Lifeguards of Horse
                                                David Leslie's Scott Covenanter Lancers
                                                 
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Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Earth Bby on July 03, 2015, 09:43:09 pm
G00d Lick
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: AlekoTheGreek on July 03, 2015, 09:50:10 pm
Lets see letsee ;)
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 03, 2015, 09:51:58 pm
Wow . 2 replies in a few minutes :D
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 03, 2015, 10:19:49 pm
Royalist pikeman:

Type 1

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs15.postimg.org%2Fear52zttz%2F2015_07_03_00003.jpg%3FnoCache%3D1435954607&hash=4dc6f9eecfc5ff7aac7d9b1894d4d38ffceda9d3)

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs16.postimg.org%2F7v37syr5t%2F2015_07_03_00004.jpg%3FnoCache%3D1435954672&hash=37ac63cfd97dd4e534268703f3d2896cea780a39)

Type 2

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs7.postimg.org%2Fmavvxkvg7%2F2015_07_03_00005.jpg%3FnoCache%3D1435954720&hash=7cce6591744c24d7633718cbcbff52021cd51fa2)

Pike wall

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Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on July 03, 2015, 11:14:04 pm
Images are small, but good luck with this!
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: ThePatriot98 on July 03, 2015, 11:47:34 pm
Good luck!  :)
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: usnavy30 on July 03, 2015, 11:57:34 pm
Spoiler
Royalist pikeman:

Type 1

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Type 2

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs7.postimg.org%2Fmavvxkvg7%2F2015_07_03_00005.jpg%3FnoCache%3D1435954720&hash=7cce6591744c24d7633718cbcbff52021cd51fa2)

Pike wall

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Please use imgur or steam screenshot URL with [img] bbcode, else good luck :)
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Miller786 on July 04, 2015, 12:19:47 am
i would love this mod, wish you all the luck and hope to see this released someday
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Nick Lazanis on July 04, 2015, 08:40:19 am
There are quite a few mods about this era. Interesting choice, best of luck!
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: OttoFIN on July 04, 2015, 09:23:03 am
Not sure if this will become popular because Century of War has been already made and its not currently too popular.
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 04, 2015, 10:05:23 am
Not sure if this will become popular because Century of War has been already made and its not currently too popular.


Well, This is about something completely different. This mod will bring you to the English civil war, not about Thirty years war  :).


Btw thanks all for your support.

Here are the bigger images:

Royalist Pikeman Type 1

(https://i.imgur.com/KvdswlE.jpg?1)
                         
(https://i.imgur.com/XE2iM4V.jpg)

                       Type 2

(https://i.imgur.com/oT84McK.jpg)

                      Pike wall

(https://i.imgur.com/GZwxvrQ.jpg)

New images soon :)
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 04, 2015, 10:43:21 am
Light Pikeman

(https://i.imgur.com/Owl8ZwU.jpg)

Maybe you are asking, what is the difference between Light Pikeman and Normal? Light Pikeman will be faster than normal because he do not wear tassets (which is small armour on his legs), but he will have lowest HP and weakest armor.

Colonel

(https://i.imgur.com/hs5z2xH.jpg)

Infantrymen were organised in regiments commanded by colonels, with each regiment sub-divided into a number of companies commanded by captains. Ideally, a regiment comprised ten or twelve companies of 100 men.

Captain

(https://i.imgur.com/bhP319a.jpg)
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Colonel Howe on July 04, 2015, 02:13:31 pm
I wanna be Oliver Cumwell
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Gokiller on July 04, 2015, 03:17:54 pm
Your best shot is probably to focus the development on Commander Battle, where you need only a vew players to create an enjoyable gameplay experience. While though I hope the best for your mod. I just doubt there will be a solid playerbase to populate battle mode servers etc. As Century of War seem to have proven. Yeah, sure that was about the Thirty years war and this is the English Civil war. But it pretty much looks the same, which the point would be.

Eitherway, goodluck. You've got some good resources at your disposal. Make good use of them.
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on July 04, 2015, 06:05:57 pm
I will do anything in my power to make this more popular than NW itself! Pike and Shot mods are so underrated!
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 04, 2015, 06:17:20 pm


Your best shot is probably to focus the development on Commander Battle, where you need only a vew players to create an enjoyable gameplay experience. While though I hope the best for your mod. I just doubt there will be a solid playerbase to populate battle mode servers etc. As Century of War seem to have proven. Yeah, sure that was about the Thirty years war and this is the English Civil war. But it pretty much looks the same, which the point would be.

Eitherway, goodluck. You've got some good resources at your disposal. Make good use of them.
I dont want to much focus on CMB, but they can be interesting.In some things you are right. Anyway thanks for your support :) .

I will do anything in my power to make this more popular than NW itself! Pike and Shot mods are so underrated!

Thanks  :D
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 04, 2015, 06:37:21 pm
Royalist Musketeer

(https://i.imgur.com/XsgZn4V.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Tl4kbhd.jpg)

Musketeers in action

(https://i.imgur.com/7WLvwum.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/wFrybhv.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/JFeDTau.jpg)
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Miller786 on July 04, 2015, 11:53:14 pm
muskets are too bright, you should adjust the reflections imo
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Colonel Howe on July 05, 2015, 03:58:06 am
pretty good

liking it m8
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 06, 2015, 08:51:09 am
Updates:

Removed Light Pikeman

Captain of Pikemen now have nicer morion

(https://i.imgur.com/G6P67wT.jpg)

Royalist drummer

(https://i.imgur.com/SxFJkKw.jpg)

James Hamilton with his army in Custom Battle

(https://i.imgur.com/lccEYfF.jpg)
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on July 06, 2015, 04:28:37 pm
Looking amazing.
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 06, 2015, 06:08:30 pm
Thanks  :)
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on July 07, 2015, 01:43:55 am
What do you mean remove reloading for bots? I'm kinda confuzzeld here...
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 07, 2015, 09:03:43 am
I mean reloading for bots while moving  :) I made mistake  ;D
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 07, 2015, 11:50:00 am
Royalist Dragoon

(https://i.imgur.com/oQWyTgJ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2MhiUh7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/fycGjAs.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iUOfLuL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/kYyWz2V.jpg)
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Swiftwisp on July 07, 2015, 12:13:26 pm
looking good, keep it up  :)
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 07, 2015, 12:51:58 pm
Thanks  ;D
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Willhelm on July 07, 2015, 02:47:39 pm
Hey, this is the mod i started and never finished, and obviously you're using the resources i released which is great.

I also have a 60%~ complete source code with all the units planned out, i can give you that if you want.
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 07, 2015, 03:49:44 pm
Hey, this is the mod i started and never finished, and obviously you're using the resources i released which is great.

I also have a 60%~ complete source code with all the units planned out, i can give you that if you want.
Yes, please, I will really appreciate that :) . And yes,I am using your resources.You are in credits  :) . I saw your ultimate pack and so I decided to complete this mod, which was never finished  :D
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Willhelm on July 07, 2015, 08:42:13 pm
You will have to give me your steamname.
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 07, 2015, 09:00:41 pm
You will have to give me your steamname.

DazzerSK
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on July 08, 2015, 02:06:53 am
Dont forget to add in scotish lancers

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you should also make it possible for artillery trains to not only carry the cannon rounds, but to also bring in the ammo for the guns.
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 08, 2015, 09:36:45 am
Dont forget to add in scotish lancers

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you should also make it possible for artillery trains to not only carry the cannon rounds, but to also bring in the ammo for the guns.

Thanks for image. I will add them those lancer.. My problem is to find if they were fighting for Royalists or Parliamentarists.
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Mercuri on July 08, 2015, 02:52:39 pm
Thanks for image. I will add them those lancer.. My problem is to find if they were fighting for Royalists or Parliamentarists.

"At the battle of Marston Moor in 1644, David Leslie's Scottish lancers used their superior mobility in a decisive intervention against the Royalist horse." Quote from http://bcw-project.org/military/units (http://bcw-project.org/military/units)

So I think they were Parliamentarist
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 08, 2015, 03:41:21 pm
Thanks alot to Willhelm for hepling and sharing with me 80 % done mod with Sourcecode. This is a officer and bugler of Royalist Cavalry.

Officer:

(https://i.imgur.com/3qgg3rd.jpg)

Bugler:

(https://i.imgur.com/0RXl5X9.jpg)
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 12, 2015, 05:51:13 pm
What the heck? Cuirassiers? YES!!!

Cuirassier (https://i.imgur.com/49pJDUJ.jpg)

Officer (https://i.imgur.com/PMDWJzL.jpg)
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on July 12, 2015, 07:50:20 pm
This... oh god yes....
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Miller786 on July 12, 2015, 10:14:19 pm
yaaas cuirassiers!
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Wigster600 on July 12, 2015, 10:18:39 pm
Why not instead of doing different types of units, just make different regiments with sub classes like Serjeant, Captain, Ensign, Pikeman/Musketeer and of course drummer.

Needless to say, tracking, but would recommend using regular warband for a largely melee based mod, over NW.
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 12, 2015, 11:19:27 pm
Why not instead of doing different types of units, just make different regiments with sub classes like Serjeant, Captain, Ensign, Pikeman/Musketeer and of course drummer.

Needless to say, tracking, but would recommend using regular warband for a largely melee based mod, over NW.

With that regiments, you mean something like this ? :D

(https://i.imgur.com/8wg4t9W.jpg)

Drummers will be in later update.

And this is not "largely melee based mod" . Firearms play an important role..



New images soon. Troops are almost done  ;)
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Wigster600 on July 12, 2015, 11:28:37 pm
Why not instead of doing different types of units, just make different regiments with sub classes like Serjeant, Captain, Ensign, Pikeman/Musketeer and of course drummer.

Needless to say, tracking, but would recommend using regular warband for a largely melee based mod, over NW.

With that regiments, you mean something like this ? :D

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/8wg4t9W.jpg)
[close]

Drummers will be in later update.

And this is not "largely melee based mod" . Firearms play an important role..



New images soon. Troops are almost done  ;)
So you're doing late civil war? Where there were more musketeers than pikemen instead of early civil war when it was the opposite?
And that layout's pretty much what I had in mind, grand.
Hope you add a flag twirling animation.
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 12, 2015, 11:30:54 pm
This is second civil war. Name 1642-English civil war doesnt mean  it is in First war. Name of mod will be later renamed to Pike and Shotte-English Civil War. What do you mean by that twirling flag animation ? :D
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Wigster600 on July 12, 2015, 11:43:47 pm
This is second civil war. Name 1642-English civil war doesnt mean  it is in First war. Name of mod will be later renamed to Pike and Shotte-English Civil War. What do you mean by that twirling flag animation ? :D
The whole reason anyone ever fought in the English civil war, so they could show off their flashy flags to the other side.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJfnGSY85m4[/youtube]
50 seconds in.
Title: Re: 1642-English Civil War
Post by: Dazzer on July 12, 2015, 11:47:40 pm
Well, maybe. I dont have much experience with animations.



EDIT: When there will be 25 votes, Ill end poll.
Title: Re: Pike and Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on July 14, 2015, 01:23:22 am
I swear if this mod dies, I will curse this community and declare every member a "Fug". This is looking up to become a really good mod with the way your doing it
 :D
Title: Re: Pike and Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 14, 2015, 05:51:51 pm
I swear if this mod dies, I will curse this community and declare every member a "Fug". This is looking up to become a really good mod with the way your doing it
 :D

:D there are better mods. And please, do not call anyone "Fug" :D. Thanks for support.

Ok. I will disable reloading for bots while (edit) moving.
Title: Re: Pike and Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 14, 2015, 05:58:51 pm

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Title: Re: Pike and Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on July 14, 2015, 06:04:20 pm
Ok. I will disable reloading for bots while reloading.
But how will they reload?! D:
Title: Re: Pike and Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: usnavy30 on July 14, 2015, 06:06:47 pm
Ok. I will disable reloading for bots while reloading.
But how will they reload?! D:
Cheeky reply of course Wigster :D
I am sure you meant as a joke, in-case anyone gets confused he meant disable reloading on the move for bots. Which is entirely possible and easy to do with module.ini a simple 0 or 1 for Off or On.
Title: Re: Pike and Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 14, 2015, 06:07:22 pm
LOL sorry. IM such idiot :D I meant reloading for bots while they are moving :D Everytime I made mistake
Title: Re: Pike and Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on July 14, 2015, 10:55:34 pm
lol everytime xD just do it and never talk about it again xD
cant wait till dis is released
Title: Re: Pike and Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: _Leon_ on July 14, 2015, 11:10:07 pm
Great job with the uniforms! I'll keep and eye on this mod.
Title: Re: Pike and Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 15, 2015, 05:17:18 pm
lol everytime xD just do it and never talk about it again xD
cant wait till dis is released

Ok :D

Great job with the uniforms! I'll keep and eye on this mod.

Say thanks to Willhelm! He made all those great uniforms.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 16, 2015, 09:26:26 pm
I just made small stupid map. It is Royalist Small Farmstead near river.

(https://i.imgur.com/v95sOzb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/cyajoUM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/dGoXjdW.jpg)

I really dont have time for making maps, because I have other things I need to complete in mod. If someone is interested, he can make s map. Ill put him into credits.

Updates:

Solved some RGL errors, thanks Usnavy30

Added Sappers

Officers completed

Buglers done

Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Shoomama on July 16, 2015, 11:35:16 pm
Good luck! Ill make ya a commander battle if ya want me to :P
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 17, 2015, 04:58:54 pm
Good luck! Ill make ya a commander battle if ya want me to :P

Do you mean CMB map?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on July 17, 2015, 10:08:17 pm
Got bored and made some signatures for this mod.

(https://i.imgur.com/Nvjthru.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/DKbn4aP.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/LpaL91f.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ppwwrwp.png)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on July 18, 2015, 05:42:26 am
those sigs all look awesome gj
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 18, 2015, 11:20:58 am
Got bored and made some signatures for this mod.

(https://i.imgur.com/Nvjthru.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/DKbn4aP.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/LpaL91f.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ppwwrwp.png)

WOW. Many thanks! Those are really cool
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on July 18, 2015, 11:25:41 am
The wonders of ripping art from model boxes.  ::)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on July 18, 2015, 11:39:12 am
The wonders of ripping art from model boxes.  ::)

Thought they looked pretty.   :)

Got bored and made some signatures for this mod.

(https://i.imgur.com/Nvjthru.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/DKbn4aP.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/LpaL91f.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ppwwrwp.png)

WOW. Many thanks! Those are really cool

I can make the signatures link to this thread if you want.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 18, 2015, 11:48:55 am

I can make the signatures link to this thread if you want.

Ok
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 18, 2015, 01:26:53 pm
Irish joined Royalists:

(https://i.imgur.com/gZ4G9nH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1BiS3Gd.jpg)

Firelocks:

(https://i.imgur.com/lXcnjCN.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on July 18, 2015, 01:45:49 pm
Cool photos. I like the way this mod is coming along.

What about the hair though? The hair seems to not be big enough for the berets.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 18, 2015, 01:47:46 pm

What about the hair though? The hair seems to not be big enough for the berets.

What do you mean by that?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on July 18, 2015, 01:49:11 pm

What about the hair though? The hair seems to not be big enough for the berets.

What do you mean by that?

On the beret hats, you can see on the far left that the hair doesn't fit some of the hats. You might want to create longer hairs or something like that. I'll have the signatures to you soon.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 18, 2015, 03:00:05 pm
Ok, so I added new hair, but I need to know how to make it invisible under hat.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on July 18, 2015, 04:19:27 pm
Ok, so I added new hair, but I need to know how to make it invisible under hat.

What do you mean?

You added new hair as a part of the hat, or made a new hair?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 18, 2015, 04:27:10 pm
Ok, so I added new hair, but I need to know how to make it invisible under hat.

What do you mean?

You added new hair as a part of the hat, or made a new hair?

Made new hair.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on July 18, 2015, 05:08:22 pm
Ok, so I added new hair, but I need to know how to make it invisible under hat.

What do you mean?

You added new hair as a part of the hat, or made a new hair?

Made new hair.

Okay. If it fits over the head I see no reason to remove the hair.

Send me a screenshot over PM  :P
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 18, 2015, 05:21:37 pm
Ah, nvm. I solved
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on July 18, 2015, 05:57:04 pm
Ah, nvm. I solved

Okay then.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on July 18, 2015, 06:44:05 pm
Those snaphanz muskets look oddly familiar....
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 18, 2015, 06:55:01 pm
Those snaphanz muskets look oddly familiar....

 :P

Drummers! Now you can annoy your allie and enemies with drum!!

Royalist drummer

(https://i.imgur.com/2V52FbN.jpg)

Parliamentarian (or Parliamentary, I dont know  ???) drummer

(https://i.imgur.com/1MhR7lY.jpg)

And new animation is added too!


Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on July 18, 2015, 07:13:56 pm
Love that animation, well done!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 18, 2015, 10:41:58 pm
Added two new types of Scottish musketeers (pikemen use these same uniforms)

(https://i.imgur.com/cQZBdNE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/dl7EHzo.jpg)

Sergeant

(https://i.imgur.com/9O4UFFg.jpg)

Officer

(https://i.imgur.com/qzDuUXZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on July 18, 2015, 10:43:38 pm
Can you make it so all the weights of the items in a unit make the same total weight so formations are easy to play out without individuals being faster than others when walking?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 18, 2015, 10:44:39 pm
Can you make it so all the weights of the items in a unit make the same total weight so formations are easy to play out without individuals being faster than others when walking?

Ill try tommorow. But I think it is already done
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 21, 2015, 11:37:06 am
New flags for Royalists

(https://i.imgur.com/FCFQieQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hBgZ3Xw.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nniS95U.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pS3hrqV.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on July 21, 2015, 11:39:06 am
Incredible flags! Do you know of a release date?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 21, 2015, 12:16:13 pm
Incredible flags! Do you know of a release date?

I really dont know  :P . There are still things need to be done. Maybe in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Willhelm on July 22, 2015, 08:11:50 pm
Looks great Dazzer. Just message me if you need any help with anything, this is sort of my mod in a way after all.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 22, 2015, 08:17:08 pm
Looks great Dazzer. Just message me if you need any help with anything, this is sort of my mod in a way after all.

Ok. Currently there are no problems
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Bravescot on July 22, 2015, 08:24:48 pm
Come now! At least use historical words! ie. Ensigne or Souldier being examples
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 22, 2015, 08:26:31 pm
Come now! At least use historical words! ie. Ensigne or Souldier being examples

Ok.....
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 22, 2015, 08:32:16 pm
Senior Captain, replaces Wellington and Napoleon.

Royalist

(https://i.imgur.com/3YmJYTE.jpg)

Parliamentarian

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi60.tinypic.com%2F15dri8o.jpg&hash=cc0136e80f88a71b6bb34bc5140d9e8367f26298)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on July 22, 2015, 08:42:30 pm
All the items from WFAS.  :P
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on July 22, 2015, 08:43:00 pm
Looks great, but wouldn't it be better if you used real historical leaders? Like for the Parliamentarians you could use Oliver Cromwell.

All the items from WFAS.  :P

They're from Willhem's OSP, and that's from his unfinished work.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 22, 2015, 09:13:43 pm
All the items from WFAS.  :P

You should know NW is using WFaS reloading animation.

Looks great, but wouldn't it be better if you used real historical leaders? Like for the Parliamentarians you could use Oliver Cromwell.

I want to use officers, not leaders.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 23, 2015, 02:17:54 pm
New running animation

(https://i.imgur.com/wyxOP9a.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Swiftwisp on July 23, 2015, 03:45:44 pm
That looks very good, new idle animations?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 23, 2015, 04:06:30 pm
That looks very good, new idle animations?

yep
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Hinkel on July 23, 2015, 04:10:59 pm
Wondering.. How easy it is to impress people.

Whats the difference? A video or a gif would be good, to show such an animation :)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 23, 2015, 05:15:33 pm
Wondering.. How easy it is to impress people.

Whats the difference? A video or a gif would be good, to show such an animation :)

I will try to upload video. My internet is really slow

Come now! At least use historical words! ie. Ensigne or Souldier being examples

I hope it's good now :P (https://i.imgur.com/QK2TGDm.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/d7yFuWi.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on July 23, 2015, 10:45:46 pm
Fireloque*  ;)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 23, 2015, 10:53:53 pm
So it's Captain Sanford's Fireloques or Fireloque?

Here is video showing reloading, running and firing animation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3PaU6bkr_Q&feature=youtu.be



Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: usnavy30 on July 23, 2015, 11:30:56 pm
Video listed as private good sir, unable to be watched at YouTube without channel link.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Audiate on July 23, 2015, 11:55:12 pm
Looking great! Also those sigs tho. :o
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on July 25, 2015, 06:17:50 am
my gad reloading anim looks so gud looking forward to dis mod so much
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 25, 2015, 12:32:28 pm
Thanks everyone for support  :)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: StevenChilton on July 25, 2015, 12:36:30 pm
Looks great! :)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 25, 2015, 01:07:17 pm
Looks great! :)

Thanks
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Willhelm on July 27, 2015, 10:03:33 pm
Good vid, keep those animations, they're specifically designed for the period, and the reload is designed for matchlocks mostly.

Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 28, 2015, 12:27:47 pm
Updated Musketeer uniforms

(https://i.imgur.com/JkxDy2g.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/pu7E20i.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ut6UCqr.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on July 28, 2015, 08:46:45 pm
want.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 28, 2015, 09:19:19 pm
Updated Scottish Tartan uniforms

(https://i.imgur.com/FNYJWZZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LFHfTNZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ddOm2bW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/y8gBtIZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on July 28, 2015, 09:26:17 pm
Nice work.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 28, 2015, 09:30:52 pm
Nice work.

Glad to hear that
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on July 29, 2015, 05:41:51 am
must have. too awesome
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 31, 2015, 01:36:34 pm
Updated Parliamentarian Cuirassiers

(https://i.imgur.com/fKJFWCR.jpg)
Officer
(https://i.imgur.com/tRUarCh.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on July 31, 2015, 02:12:39 pm
great job! so hyped for this mod
btw what about hand grenades in this mod?  ;D
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 31, 2015, 02:23:23 pm
great job! so hyped for this mod
btw what about hand grenades in this mod?  ;D

Hand grenades? They were used only when they were throwed amongst the Welsh at Holt bridge. There were no grenadier units, so no
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on July 31, 2015, 02:41:46 pm
Anyways, grenades can become OP.

Like in IE, there was someone constantly teamkilling with grenades and killing 2/3 of the team at the beginning of the round.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on July 31, 2015, 08:35:19 pm
My friend Disaster was once in the 1st IE event. He threw up into the air thinking that it would hit the outside trench, instead t landed back down, blew almost half the team, and got banned. Some say that was the reason IE died  :o
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 31, 2015, 08:50:37 pm
My friend Disaster was once in the 1st IE event. He threw up into the air thinking that it would hit the outside trench, instead t landed back down, blew almost half the team, and got banned. Some say that was the reason IE died  :o

xD

Engineers

Parliamentarian
(https://i.imgur.com/wXK2gwd.jpg)

Royalist
(https://i.imgur.com/gNFCvHR.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on July 31, 2015, 08:51:54 pm
Nice work  :)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 31, 2015, 08:52:29 pm
That first was made by Willhelm. Second is just retextured  :D
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on July 31, 2015, 08:53:54 pm
This question has been asked before, but are you adding these for Parliamentarians?

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.shopify.com%2Fs%2Ffiles%2F1%2F0288%2F8306%2Fproducts%2Fwgp-08-scots-lancers-a_grande.jpeg%3Fv%3D1397474177&hash=b69cc91aa46dd4b9856d6dd6ca714b4a92e0a252)
[close]
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 31, 2015, 09:07:45 pm
This question has been asked before, but are you adding these for Parliamentarians?

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.shopify.com%2Fs%2Ffiles%2F1%2F0288%2F8306%2Fproducts%2Fwgp-08-scots-lancers-a_grande.jpeg%3Fv%3D1397474177&hash=b69cc91aa46dd4b9856d6dd6ca714b4a92e0a252)
[close]

I will start on working them now
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 31, 2015, 10:35:17 pm
Christian Henriksen, Mercenary Danish Musketeer

(https://i.imgur.com/Ieb7T5n.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uFc7AZK.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on July 31, 2015, 10:36:57 pm
I'd remove helms from Musketeers and give them plain hats, helms can be rather uncomfortable to wear, or so i'm told by a chap I know who does English Civil War Reenactment.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 31, 2015, 10:40:11 pm
Christian Henriksen is the only one musketeer that has got morion. I found they looked like this
                                                                 (https://i.imgur.com/VqdhQwl.png)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on July 31, 2015, 10:43:59 pm
Christian Henriksen is the only one musketeer that has got morion. I found they looked like this
                                                                 (https://i.imgur.com/VqdhQwl.png)
Have you got something showing them with helms that's abit older?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on July 31, 2015, 10:45:29 pm
Christian Henriksen is the only one musketeer that has got morion. I found they looked like this
                                                                 (https://i.imgur.com/VqdhQwl.png)
Have you got something showing them with helms that's abit older?

No. This is the only image I found
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on July 31, 2015, 11:52:34 pm
I wouldn't veiw that screenshot as reliable, I mean, the musketeers are wearing cuirasses.  :P
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 01, 2015, 09:53:19 am
Updated Henriksen

(https://i.imgur.com/eFdM9Ww.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/eyXH5O7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/eLJw98o.png)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on August 01, 2015, 01:17:41 pm
Far better looking.  :D
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on August 01, 2015, 01:19:07 pm
Far better looking.  :D

I agreee.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: _Leon_ on August 01, 2015, 08:59:15 pm
Great! Any info about the release date ?  :)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Audiate on August 01, 2015, 09:22:26 pm
What download of For King and Country did you use? I've tried getting it but it never works. Also, do you use the Steam version of Medieval + Kingdoms?

Er, I mean, great work! ;D
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 01, 2015, 10:11:26 pm
Great! Any info about the release date ?  :)

I can only say it will be released soon  :)

What download of For King and Country did you use? I've tried getting it but it never works. Also, do you use the Steam version of Medieval + Kingdoms?

Er, I mean, great work! ;D

Haha, I found those images on google  ::) . I dont have that game. I was thinking about buying Medieval 2: Total War and then download this mod, but I think it could not work on my PC. Do you think it could work on Win 8.1? Btw, it's for King or Country :D
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on August 01, 2015, 10:19:50 pm
Incredible flags! Do you know of a release date?

I really dont know  :P . There are still things need to be done. Maybe in a few weeks.
::)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 01, 2015, 10:24:54 pm
Incredible flags! Do you know of a release date?

I really dont know  :P . There are still things need to be done. Maybe in a few weeks.
::)

OK.

Some troops are still not finished, I need to find someone to test it, setup server, create new maps, etc.
Possible release will be in two weeks. I want to finish it til the end of holidays.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on August 01, 2015, 10:28:26 pm
i dont want to put you under pressure just saying that after this releases ill stop playing vanilla nw xD
oh and if u need a tester ofc dont hesitate to ask me  ;)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 01, 2015, 10:32:20 pm
i dont want to put you under pressure just saying that after this releases ill stop playing vanilla nw xD
oh and if u need a tester ofc dont hesitate to ask me  ;)

I hope it will not end like Century of War. Playing with bots is really boring.
Good, I will send you first version when it will be done.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Audiate on August 01, 2015, 10:55:35 pm
Quote
Haha, I found those images on google  ::) . I dont have that game. I was thinking about buying Medieval 2: Total War and then download this mod, but I think it could not work on my PC. Do you think it could work on Win 8.1? Btw, it's for King or Country :D

That's what I meant, lol. It's not managing to run for me, it'll start and crash. But I doubt it'll play well regardless, since SS6.3 and even vanilla tend to easily crash. Eh, whatever though. ::)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 03, 2015, 09:31:35 pm
King Charles I's bodyguard of horse regiment, replaces Royalist cuirassiers

(https://i.imgur.com/Fasyedn.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jJZ7axu.jpg)

Officer will be done tommorow
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on August 03, 2015, 09:33:31 pm
This mod is getting better every day.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on August 03, 2015, 09:33:53 pm
Hats aren't frilly enough, they look far more like cromwells ironsides.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 03, 2015, 09:54:17 pm
Hats aren't frilly enough, they look far more like cromwells ironsides.

Do you have any picture of showing their helmet? I cant find anything
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on August 03, 2015, 09:58:34 pm
i don't know about historical accuracy, but it sure does look amazing!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 03, 2015, 10:01:24 pm
i don't know about historical accuracy, but it sure does look amazing!

Thanks
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 03, 2015, 11:48:56 pm
Scottish Covenanter Lancers

(https://i.imgur.com/j3L57D2.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/z10z1o2.jpg)

Officer will be done tommorow
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on August 04, 2015, 01:08:29 am
Claps in awe*
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 04, 2015, 02:57:51 pm
Sorry guys. Mod progress will be slow for now, because I mistakenly deleted BRF file containing uniforms. I have backup, but without new uniforms. Sorry
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Earth Bby on August 04, 2015, 03:03:41 pm
Sorry guys. Mod progress will be slow for now, because I mistakenly deleted BRF file containing uniforms. I have backup, but without new uniforms. Sorry

check your rubbish bin?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 04, 2015, 03:11:09 pm
Sorry guys. Mod progress will be slow for now, because I mistakenly deleted BRF file containing uniforms. I have backup, but without new uniforms. Sorry

check your rubbish bin?

It was like this: I had on my desktop one file where were saved Scottish uniforms. I replaced it with that file in resources. I didn't notice that in that file where were Scottish uniforms are not other new uniforms. I just replaced Uniforms with Uniforms. And now that old file is gone. It's really hard to explain
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on August 04, 2015, 03:20:59 pm
As long as you don't do that again its alright. Always always always backup your files.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on August 04, 2015, 04:15:49 pm
Scottish Covenanter Lancers

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(https://i.imgur.com/j3L57D2.jpg)
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I'd suggest removing the morion from any cav units, morions have no straps, they'd just fly off the head of the wearer mid-gallop, give them a pappenheimer or similar helms to your vision of charle's guards.
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(https://i.imgur.com/jJZ7axu.jpg)
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Hats aren't frilly enough, they look far more like cromwells ironsides.
Do you have any picture of showing their helmet? I cant find anything
I think they mostly wore hats, hats with fancy plumes.
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(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi347.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp444%2Fizabelka75%2FIMG_0205.jpg&hash=4b2d766571478f20ec1521def9855bbcc770b23c)
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Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 04, 2015, 04:47:33 pm
I think they mostly wore hats, hats with fancy plumes.
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(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi347.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp444%2Fizabelka75%2FIMG_0205.jpg&hash=4b2d766571478f20ec1521def9855bbcc770b23c)
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Are those really King Charles's Bodyguards? Arm of uniform was yellow and on it were decorative lines and they wear  only something-similar-to lobster. Isn't this Parliamentary Cavalry Regiment?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on August 04, 2015, 05:00:32 pm
I think they mostly wore hats, hats with fancy plumes.
Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi347.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp444%2Fizabelka75%2FIMG_0205.jpg&hash=4b2d766571478f20ec1521def9855bbcc770b23c)
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Are those really King Charles's Bodyguards? Arm of uniform was yellow and on it were decorative lines and they wear  only something-similar-to lobster. Isn't this Parliamentary Cavalry Regiment?
Mind me asking what your source is?
Well, that's all I found when I did a google search of King Charles's bodyguards, beyond that, I can't seem to find anything else relative to Royalist cavalry, i'm not even sure what unit they're part of.
*EDIT*
Found this
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YY-OsTByKnE/UxPotNOMtcI/AAAAAAAADxc/TXDEbtYjOOk/s1600/IMG_3197.JPG)
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Not sure if it's accurate, but it seems like it could be reliable and looks far more Royalist than the Parlimantarian looking guards atm.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 04, 2015, 05:07:12 pm
I think they mostly wore hats, hats with fancy plumes.
Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi347.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp444%2Fizabelka75%2FIMG_0205.jpg&hash=4b2d766571478f20ec1521def9855bbcc770b23c)
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Are those really King Charles's Bodyguards? Arm of uniform was yellow and on it were decorative lines and they wear  only something-similar-to lobster. Isn't this Parliamentary Cavalry Regiment?
Mind me asking what your source is?
Well, that's all I found when I did a google search of King Charles's bodyguards, beyond that, I can't seem to find anything else relative to Royalist cavalry, i'm not even sure what unit they're part of.
*EDIT*
Found this
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YY-OsTByKnE/UxPotNOMtcI/AAAAAAAADxc/TXDEbtYjOOk/s1600/IMG_3197.JPG)
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Not sure if it's accurate, but it seems like it could be reliable and looks far more Royalist than the Parlimantarian looking guards atm.

My source is from King or Country, mod for Medieval II Total war. It was professionally researched. But now really I don't know
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 04, 2015, 05:13:07 pm
  Those figures are from Bicorne Miniatures: http://www.bicorne.net/
  They do specific figures for the King's Lifeguard, I have linked the pictures below.
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bicorne.net%2Facatalog%2FECWC28.JPG&hash=d2b424f8d1ff674975aa003276a9be61f008f12f)
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bicorne.net%2Facatalog%2FECWC23.JPG&hash=0b42890bd9750524b6f90e8f4f8ef518a2cfed48)
  What the cavalry wore is the least well known part of the armies of the English Civil War. Most looked very similar, buff being very common. It is known that prince Rupert's Horse most likely wore red.
  I have an old Osprey book on the subject if you are interested.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on August 04, 2015, 05:15:24 pm
I think they mostly wore hats, hats with fancy plumes.
Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi347.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp444%2Fizabelka75%2FIMG_0205.jpg&hash=4b2d766571478f20ec1521def9855bbcc770b23c)
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Are those really King Charles's Bodyguards? Arm of uniform was yellow and on it were decorative lines and they wear  only something-similar-to lobster. Isn't this Parliamentary Cavalry Regiment?
Mind me asking what your source is?
Well, that's all I found when I did a google search of King Charles's bodyguards, beyond that, I can't seem to find anything else relative to Royalist cavalry, i'm not even sure what unit they're part of.
*EDIT*
Found this
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YY-OsTByKnE/UxPotNOMtcI/AAAAAAAADxc/TXDEbtYjOOk/s1600/IMG_3197.JPG)
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Not sure if it's accurate, but it seems like it could be reliable and looks far more Royalist than the Parlimantarian looking guards atm.

My source is from King or Country, mod for Medieval II Total war. It was professionally researched. But now really I don't know
http://www.warlordgames.com/painting-english-civil-war-army-uniforms/ Maybe they go in a similar colour scheme to the Royalist lifeguard infantry here? (bottom left)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 04, 2015, 05:16:16 pm
  Those figures are from Bicorne Miniatures: http://www.bicorne.net/
  They do specific figures for the King's Lifeguard, I have linked the pictures below.
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bicorne.net%2Facatalog%2FECWC28.JPG&hash=d2b424f8d1ff674975aa003276a9be61f008f12f)
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bicorne.net%2Facatalog%2FECWC23.JPG&hash=0b42890bd9750524b6f90e8f4f8ef518a2cfed48)
  What the cavalry wore is the least well known part of the armies of the English Civil War. Most looked very similar, buff being very common. It is known that prince Rupert's Horse most likely wore red.
  I have an old Osprey book on the subject if you are interested.
Sure
Thanks for images
I think they mostly wore hats, hats with fancy plumes.
Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi347.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp444%2Fizabelka75%2FIMG_0205.jpg&hash=4b2d766571478f20ec1521def9855bbcc770b23c)
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Are those really King Charles's Bodyguards? Arm of uniform was yellow and on it were decorative lines and they wear  only something-similar-to lobster. Isn't this Parliamentary Cavalry Regiment?
Mind me asking what your source is?
Well, that's all I found when I did a google search of King Charles's bodyguards, beyond that, I can't seem to find anything else relative to Royalist cavalry, i'm not even sure what unit they're part of.
*EDIT*
Found this
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YY-OsTByKnE/UxPotNOMtcI/AAAAAAAADxc/TXDEbtYjOOk/s1600/IMG_3197.JPG)
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Not sure if it's accurate, but it seems like it could be reliable and looks far more Royalist than the Parlimantarian looking guards atm.

My source is from King or Country, mod for Medieval II Total war. It was professionally researched. But now really I don't know
http://www.warlordgames.com/painting-english-civil-war-army-uniforms/ Maybe they go in a similar colour scheme to the Royalist lifeguard infantry here? (bottom left)
ok, im going to rework it. You convinced me
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 04, 2015, 05:42:01 pm
  May I just add as well that this mod is looking really promising. It is good you are looking into the specific regiments that fought in the conflict and trying to get the right uniforms. It is a bit of a murky subject though, some regiments may be issued with one colour uniform one year, they would wear out, and a completely new uniform would be issued the next, with a mxituer of the two sometimes being quite common. Sashes are an issue as well, some Parliamentarian regiments didn't wear orange, Cromwell is seen in one painting wearing white. The Earl of Essex' army definitely wore orange though and they were the main field army Parliament had to offer.
  I am sure this has probably been answered but will the Covenanter's be a separate faction? Seeing as though they fought both the King and Parliament it would make sense. And are they in grey uniforms? Most Covenanter's wore grey uniforms with blue bonnets.
  With the fife and drum you might do well to get in contact with an English Civil War re-enactment regiment, they know all the necessary drum calls, and see if they can perhaps lend something to the musical side of things. I do Napoleonic re-enacting myself but some men in my regiment might know a few from the Sealed Knot.
  I am sure you have probably heard this tune but I think it would be very fitting for background music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qifKNVeMNQk
  It was composed after the First Civil War but it has been used in documentaries about the conflict. It will be good when this mod comes out, I have just finished studying the Civil War at University and have had a keen interest in it for years (my home town was the only town in East Anglia to actually side with the King, apparently you can still see a hole in the church tower where a cannonball went through).
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 04, 2015, 05:57:47 pm
  May I just add as well that this mod is looking really promising. It is good you are looking into the specific regiments that fought in the conflict and trying to get the right uniforms. It is a bit of a murky subject though, some regiments may be issued with one colour uniform one year, they would wear out, and a completely new uniform would be issued the next, with a mxituer of the two sometimes being quite common. Sashes are an issue as well, some Parliamentarian regiments didn't wear orange, Cromwell is seen in one painting wearing white. The Earl of Essex' army definitely wore orange though and they were the main field army Parliament had to offer.
  I am sure this has probably been answered but will the Covenanter's be a separate faction? Seeing as though they fought both the King and Parliament it would make sense. And are they in grey uniforms? Most Covenanter's wore grey uniforms with blue bonnets.
  With the fife and drum you might do well to get in contact with an English Civil War re-enactment regiment, they know all the necessary drum calls, and see if they can perhaps lend something to the musical side of things. I do Napoleonic re-enacting myself but some men in my regiment might know a few from the Sealed Knot.
  I am sure you have probably heard this tune but I think it would be very fitting for background music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qifKNVeMNQk
  It was composed after the First Civil War but it has been used in documentaries about the conflict. It will be good when this mod comes out, I have just finished studying the Civil War at University and have had a keen interest in it for years (my home town was the only town in East Anglia to actually side with the King, apparently you can still see a hole in the church tower where a cannonball went through).

Thank you for your nice words. Covenanters are for now only in Parliament faction. Yes, they have grey uniforms. I added tartan types too.
(https://i.imgur.com/XQz6LbF.jpg)
Actually, I don't know if they really had tartans.
For now I only added a few songs for drummers. For now I don't plan to add fifers.
I didn't hear that song before. I will add it
And remember: Im not the only creator. Willhelm did alot in this mod, and other people who own OSP resources, Caribbean! and With Fire and Sword team too!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on August 04, 2015, 06:14:40 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/XQz6LbF.jpg)
Actually, I don't know if they really had tartans.
For now I only added a few songs for drummers. For now I don't plan to add fifers.
I didn't hear that song before. I will add it
And remember: Im not the only creator. Willhelm did alot in this mod, and other people who own OSP resources, Caribbean! and With Fire and Sword team too!
Not sure they'd have such a contrast in colours, or any differing colours at all, Tartan is just a weaving pattern, so I wouldn't recommend having a jacket made out of tartan, it would look rather like the man's just been to the tailor's. Perhaps a baggy shirt with a plain, dull coloured kilt?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 04, 2015, 06:20:50 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/XQz6LbF.jpg)
Actually, I don't know if they really had tartans.
For now I only added a few songs for drummers. For now I don't plan to add fifers.
I didn't hear that song before. I will add it
And remember: Im not the only creator. Willhelm did alot in this mod, and other people who own OSP resources, Caribbean! and With Fire and Sword team too!
Not sure they'd have such a contrast in colours, or any differing colours at all, Tartan is just a weaving pattern, so I wouldn't recommend having a jacket made out of tartan, it would look rather like the man's just been to the tailor's. Perhaps a baggy shirt with a plain, dull coloured kilt?

I've found this: (https://i.imgur.com/pqW6TTM.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 04, 2015, 06:29:07 pm
  From what I have heard with the tartans (and painting 28mm figures of them) it was quite random. Some of them had them slung across the shoulder like a sash. The patterns varied of course, there were not really any set patterns of tartan in this period. The Highlands were generally loyal to the King whilst the Lowlands were more where the Covenanters recruited from meaning that it was Royalists that tended to wear tartan. This site has some good pictures of what the Royalist Scottish regiments may have looked like (apparently some were still using bows and arrows):
http://auldearn1645.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/farquharson-of-monaltries-regiment.html
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 04, 2015, 06:33:31 pm
  From what I have heard with the tartans (and painting 28mm figures of them) it was quite random. Some of them had them slung across the shoulder like a sash. The patterns varied of course, there were not really any set patterns of tartan in this period. The Highlands were generally loyal to the King whilst the Lowlands were more where the Covenanters recruited from meaning that it was Royalists that tended to wear tartan. This site has some good pictures of what the Royalist Scottish regiments may have looked like (apparently some were still using bows and arrows):
http://auldearn1645.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/farquharson-of-monaltries-regiment.html

Thanks for pictures!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 04, 2015, 06:46:04 pm
  No problem, I have a few 28mm figures myself but the battery of my camera needs charging, if I get a chance I will post some (have a few pictures of the King's Lifeguard of Foote and some of Lieutenant General William Baillie’s Covenanter Regiment). The art of warlord games is always good for reference:
http://www.warlordgames.com/the-art-of-warlord-english-civil-war/
(The Covenanter's in their grey uniforms are at the bottom)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 04, 2015, 06:53:39 pm
I see there are Highland swordsmen or something like that. Should I add them?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 04, 2015, 07:06:16 pm
  They would certainly be an interesting addition. You would probably do best to do a general 'Earl of Monstrose's' forces option if you want to fit them all into the Royalist roster. He had the Irish Brigade brought over from the Thirty Years War as well as his rampaging Highlanders, who had a variety of weapons from claymores to firearms as seen in the painting. That said, it would be a bit odd to have a bunch of Highlanders roaming about England as Montrose never ventured beyond Scotland (Charles did have a Scottish Officer on his staff at Naseby though who swore at him and urged him not to go and fight himself), although I did read once he was planning to move south to draw Parliamentarian/Covenanter forces away from the King but Naseby put an end to that.
  I would probably wait though, you can always do a second patch expanding the war to the rest of the Three Kingdoms. Best to keep it focused on England for the moment (the Covenanter's fit in of course as they were at Marston Moor).
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 04, 2015, 07:12:42 pm
Thanks for info
And Montrose's Irish Brigade is added
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on August 04, 2015, 10:27:40 pm
Why not just rename the mod Pike and Shotte WG and texture/model everything based on the Minatures from warlord games?  :P
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on August 04, 2015, 10:46:28 pm
Why not just rename the mod Pike and Shotte WG and texture/model everything based on the Minatures from warlord games?  :P

So what if he is basing his soldiers off of the Warlord Games website? They have a reliable source for uniforms. No need to be a dick about it.

Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 04, 2015, 10:58:09 pm
If you want to post only offensive and annoying replies, rather not post anything
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on August 04, 2015, 11:37:12 pm
Why not just rename the mod Pike and Shotte WG and texture/model everything based on the Minatures from warlord games?  :P
you could have expressed yourself in a more kind way, you do sound offensive, happens to me too from time to time.
anyways i do believe they do researches for their miniatures otherwise it wouldnt make sense but i agree on the point that their historical accuracy could be dubious
oh and about the highland swordsmen, i think you should add  them for some intresting variety, they are in century of war too you could look there for reference, good luck dont get too stressed
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 05, 2015, 01:40:14 am
  I assure you sir, having bought and painted many of these figures and reading about the armies of the era, they are pretty accurate. The thing is we do not know as much about the uniforms of the era, only a few illustrations and scant literary material. For example, Prince Rupert's Horse is the only cavalry regiment we know the tunic colour of (they ordered red cloth for uniforms), we assume the cavalry generally wore whatever they could find.
  As I pointed out earlier, uniforms would generally wear out after only one campaign and had to be constantly replaced, sometimes uniform colours would change so you could see a mixture of colours (I seem to remember a Parliamentarian regiment started the war in yellow but had to switch to grey).
  I think this mod is shaping up to be really good and very accurate. You can never get things 100% right because we just do not know for sure. It is about best represting history in a way that people who play the game will find enjoyable and challenging.
  If I may also add a postscript about the Covenanter's. It would seem they very rarely wore armour, although I did here mention that Parliament gave them some supplies including armour but in limited numbers.
  I advise everyone to see the osprey books, I have two (infantry and cavalry) but I cannot find them at the moment. And if artillery is ever done, here are some pictures of a cannon (took this back in 2009). This is a smaller field piece, there were all sorts of types but I believe this is a Minion (please correct me if I am wrong).


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Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 05, 2015, 10:41:59 am
Added many more types of Scottish musketeers
(https://i.imgur.com/bLpFRHS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bjRKsZD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0WvZ0bo.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on August 05, 2015, 11:11:58 am
They look very nice, well done!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 05, 2015, 11:43:48 am
They look very nice, well done!

Thanks

Scottish Serjant
(https://i.imgur.com/T2RfI26.jpg)

Scottish Boaby
(https://i.imgur.com/LwZb5VS.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on August 05, 2015, 01:03:20 pm
This mod is actually looking really brilliant.
I'm loving those tartans.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 05, 2015, 01:41:00 pm
This mod is actually looking really brilliant.
I'm loving those tartans.

Thx
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 05, 2015, 02:09:35 pm
  Good work with those Scots (Covenanter's or Royalist or both?). Just had a thought with the soundtrack, what about using parts from the soundtrack of the film Cromwell (1970)? Here is an extract:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj0hqKLHLAU
  My favourite parts are at 3:25-3:38 (played in the film when the King arrives to raise his standard, could be used for the Royalist victory music) and 5:44-6:30ish (played when the New Model Army is marching to Naseby, could be used as Parliamentarian victory music). I don't know about copyright issues of course as it is from a film as opposed to a historical piece of music, then again the Zulu War mod got away with using music from Zulu and Zulu Dawn.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 05, 2015, 02:24:21 pm
  Good work with those Scots (Covenanter's or Royalist or both?). Just had a thought with the soundtrack, what about using parts from the soundtrack of the film Cromwell (1970)? Here is an extract:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj0hqKLHLAU
  My favourite parts are at 3:25-3:38 (played in the film when the King arrives to raise his standard, could be used for the Royalist victory music) and 5:44-6:30ish (played when the New Model Army is marching to Naseby, could be used as Parliamentarian victory music). I don't know about copyright issues of course as it is from a film as opposed to a historical piece of music, then again the Zulu War mod got away with using music from Zulu and Zulu Dawn.

They are Covenanters.
I like that music. Might be useful
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 05, 2015, 02:34:07 pm
Glad to help, I have just ordered a CD with the complete soundtrack on (they are very rare these days, I don't think the full soundtrack ever got a proper release sadly, at least not on CD, might be on vinyl) so will see if there is anything else there that might be good.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on August 05, 2015, 06:25:43 pm
Why not just rename the mod Pike and Shotte WG and texture/model everything based on the Minatures from warlord games?  :P
you could have expressed yourself in a more kind way, you do sound offensive, happens to me too from time to time.
anyways i do believe they do researches for their miniatures otherwise it wouldnt make sense but i agree on the point that their historical accuracy could be dubious
oh and about the highland swordsmen, i think you should add  them for some intresting variety, they are in century of war too you could look there for reference, good luck dont get too stressed
Why not just rename the mod Pike and Shotte WG and texture/model everything based on the Minatures from warlord games?  :P

So what if he is basing his soldiers off of the Warlord Games website? They have a reliable source for uniforms. No need to be a dick about it.
Why is everyone so offended? It was a jest, a light hearted one at that, seeing as they do have some nice colour schemes to base the textures off.  ::)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 06, 2015, 06:03:28 pm
Why not just rename the mod Pike and Shotte WG and texture/model everything based on the Minatures from warlord games?  :P
you could have expressed yourself in a more kind way, you do sound offensive, happens to me too from time to time.
anyways i do believe they do researches for their miniatures otherwise it wouldnt make sense but i agree on the point that their historical accuracy could be dubious
oh and about the highland swordsmen, i think you should add  them for some intresting variety, they are in century of war too you could look there for reference, good luck dont get too stressed
Why not just rename the mod Pike and Shotte WG and texture/model everything based on the Minatures from warlord games?  :P

So what if he is basing his soldiers off of the Warlord Games website? They have a reliable source for uniforms. No need to be a dick about it.
Why is everyone so offended? It was a jest, a light hearted one at that, seeing as they do have some nice colour schemes to base the textures off.  ::)

Forget it



So I thought about making piper and own drummer for Covenanters, but one unit can have only 5 ranks: Musketeer, Pikeman, Sergeant, Officer and Ensign. Maybe there is a way how to have 7 ranks, or I will put them to Musican section.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on August 06, 2015, 06:09:29 pm
So I thought about making piper and own drummer for Covenanters, but one unit can have only 5 ranks: Musketeer, Pikeman, Sergeant, Officer and Ensign. Maybe there is a way how to have 7 ranks, or I will put them to Musican section.
Perhaps add a similar feature that N&S has for their infantry selection section but add it for the ranks?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 06, 2015, 06:13:13 pm
So I thought about making piper and own drummer for Covenanters, but one unit can have only 5 ranks: Musketeer, Pikeman, Sergeant, Officer and Ensign. Maybe there is a way how to have 7 ranks, or I will put them to Musican section.
Perhaps add a similar feature that N&S has for their infantry selection section but add it for the ranks?

Yeah, but I have no idea how to do that :D . I saw in War of 1812 mod there were more ranks for unit, so it must be somehow possible, but with my skills it would not be
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 06, 2015, 07:35:47 pm
Covenant Lancer Officer, maybe will be updated

(https://i.imgur.com/61QDg9h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rwbdy3w.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SkM8Vb2.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 06, 2015, 09:50:15 pm
  Looking good, I think the unit roster is shaping up pretty well. It is a shame we can't add more regiments (I would  have loved to seen some of the Cornish foot there) but the game does have its limitations. How many colours will be available to be carried in the game by the ensigns? I know in regular Napoleonic the British faction was able to carry two colours (the King's and Regimental's, as they did historically). Of course in this era, each company usually had a colour meaning that there would be about ten carried, although as the war went on and men and colours were lost I believe it was more common for two or three to be carried (although there are reports that the King's Lifeguard of Foote carried their full compliment at Naseby, even though there were only a few hundred men left in the regiment by that point).
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 06, 2015, 10:03:01 pm
  Looking good, I think the unit roster is shaping up pretty well. It is a shame we can't add more regiments (I would  have loved to seen some of the Cornish foot there) but the game does have its limitations. How many colours will be available to be carried in the game by the ensigns? I know in regular Napoleonic the British faction was able to carry two colours (the King's and Regimental's, as they did historically). Of course in this era, each company usually had a colour meaning that there would be about ten carried, although as the war went on and men and colours were lost I believe it was more common for two or three to be carried (although there are reports that the King's Lifeguard of Foote carried their full compliment at Naseby, even though there were only a few hundred men left in the regiment by that point).

Royalists have 5 different banners and Parliament 9.

Every ensign has got at least 2 banners
There is a script, that can add more pages, so there could be more regiments, unfortunately I don't know that script :(

Btw, I thought about adding "Mounted Warrior" rank for Lancers. It would be light cavalry troop with sword and pistol, maybe shield. What do you think?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on August 06, 2015, 10:19:20 pm
personally i think that lancer rankers should only use lances and a sword sidearm
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 06, 2015, 10:25:12 pm
personally i think that lancer rankers should only use lances and a sword sidearm

I mean ranks could look like this:

Lancer- Scottish Mounted lancer
Warrior- Scottih cavalry with sword and pistol, without lance
Officer- Scottish officer
Bugler- Bugler
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 06, 2015, 11:05:08 pm
King Charles I's horse lifeguards

(https://i.imgur.com/NRwDhQr.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/AYzHtSk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zhlk0ML.jpg)

Officer
(https://i.imgur.com/XF6eVSF.jpg)

I hope it's historically correct now
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on August 06, 2015, 11:16:36 pm
Love that feather/plume in the last one.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 06, 2015, 11:19:30 pm
Love that feather/plume in the last one.

Yeah, but I am not sure it's historically accurate
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 06, 2015, 11:40:46 pm
Yup, those Lifeguards are looking lovely. Were they referred to as buglers at this point? Sorry if I am sounding like I am nitpicking but I think trumpeter was the term as the bugle as we know it hadn't been invented (and of course cavalry ensigns being known as cornets).
  As I assume the Covenanter cavalry will be only one slot it probably would make sense to combine them to have a lancer rank and a trooper rank (I would refer to them as troopers rather than warriors, troopers has a more 17th century feel to it). They could also represent the Moss Troopers then who were brigands I believe that roamed Scotland. As I have said before, it would be brilliant if there was a future version of the mod that added the Covenanter's as a separate faction.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 06, 2015, 11:46:00 pm
I thought bugler and trumpeteer is same  ;D . But ok. I will change that
I didn't add cornets yet. I can't find most banners of regiments
Yes, we plan to add Covenanters as a separate faction in the future, but most of regiments were looking same, so I don't think it would have sense
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 07, 2015, 12:30:41 am
  What regiments do you need for the cavalry colours? I know some wargame manufacturers do cavalry flags so I could look into that. I know the King's Lifeguard of Horse had a red flag with the crown in the centre and the cypher CR either side of it (the C and the R also had smaller crowns above them). Prince Rupert's lifeguard and his regular Horse regiment (there were two regiments of cavalry that were named in his honour) featured his coat of arms. This site use to do them for free but they now make you pay for the flags although you can still preview them: http://www.wargamesdesigns.com/ecw-royalist.html (go back for the other flags as well for the Parliamentarians and Royalists).
  As there is so little information, sometimes just making a calculated guess or using a flag from an unknown regiment will do just fine.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 07, 2015, 12:41:45 am
  What regiments do you need for the cavalry colours? I know some wargame manufacturers do cavalry flags so I could look into that. I know the King's Lifeguard of Horse had a red flag with the crown in the centre and the cypher CR either side of it (the C and the R also had smaller crowns above them). Prince Rupert's lifeguard and his regular Horse regiment (there were two regiments of cavalry that were named in his honour) featured his coat of arms. This site use to do them for free but they now make you pay for the flags although you can still preview them: http://www.wargamesdesigns.com/ecw-royalist.html (go back for the other flags as well for the Parliamentarians and Royalists).
  As there is so little information, sometimes just making a calculated guess or using a flag from an unknown regiment will do just fine.


Again thanks  :)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: usnavy30 on August 07, 2015, 12:42:19 am
So I thought about making piper and own drummer for Covenanters, but one unit can have only 5 ranks: Musketeer, Pikeman, Sergeant, Officer and Ensign. Maybe there is a way how to have 7 ranks, or I will put them to Musican section.
Perhaps add a similar feature that N&S has for their infantry selection section but add it for the ranks?

Yeah, but I have no idea how to do that :D . I saw in War of 1812 mod there were more ranks for unit, so it must be somehow possible, but with my skills it would not be
Check your PMs on FSE. I sent you the method, I hope it works for you.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 07, 2015, 08:55:52 pm
Scottish Trooper
(https://i.imgur.com/glswnIs.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/f0k2txm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jvUE2AP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/q2C83bZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: OttoFIN on August 07, 2015, 09:15:30 pm
Why don't you post screenshots in high quality btw? Anyway, nice job.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 07, 2015, 09:21:42 pm
Why don't you post screenshots in high quality btw? Anyway, nice job.

Thanks


Guys, I need your help. Tell me what you think
What lobster looks better?
(https://i.imgur.com/TrqaIgg.jpg)
or
(https://i.imgur.com/hgisJtN.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 07, 2015, 09:47:23 pm
I personally prefer the first one as it looks a little darker, armour does look dark like that in most pictures I see of re-enactors. The second one looks a little too clean/new. If the armour was the same colour it may not matter as much but even then after being on campaign for a while and most likely keeping the same set it would most definitely look darker.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 07, 2015, 09:54:29 pm
I personally prefer the first one as it looks a little darker, armour does look dark like that in most pictures I see of re-enactors. The second one looks a little too clean/new. If the armour was the same colour it may not matter as much but even then after being con campaign for a while and most likely keeping the same set it would most definitely look darker.


Thanks



I want to ask, do you have any images of Prince Rupert's horse? Were they blue or red?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on August 07, 2015, 10:34:20 pm
I personally prefer the first one as it looks a little darker, armour does look dark like that in most pictures I see of re-enactors. The second one looks a little too clean/new. If the armour was the same colour it may not matter as much but even then after being on campaign for a while and most likely keeping the same set it would most definitely look darker.
The darkness has nothing to do with usage, it's a coating to protect the metal from the elements they used to add.

But personally, if the bottom one had dark armour too, would work.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on August 07, 2015, 11:28:11 pm
i prefer the first one, looks better with the armor and the bottom one's color doesnt look good to me imo
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 08, 2015, 03:09:44 am
I personally prefer the first one as it looks a little darker, armour does look dark like that in most pictures I see of re-enactors. The second one looks a little too clean/new. If the armour was the same colour it may not matter as much but even then after being con campaign for a while and most likely keeping the same set it would most definitely look darker.


Thanks



I want to ask, do you have any images of Prince Rupert's horse? Were they blue or red?
 
Sorry for late reply. To my knowledge they were in red. There is evidence that they ordered red uniforms at some point (I don't have the source to hand sadly). However, as the war went on you would probably see a mixture of uniforms. I expect a few more would be in soft hats as well.
  Then again, this source has Prince Rupert Lifeguard (who formed a part of the regiment and were sometimes detached as a separate unit) in blue: http://www.blews-ltb.co.uk/regimentinfo/royalistCoats.asp
  I know Prince Rupert himself probably wore a light blue coat with a montero hat (large white feather of course). I am a little busy tomorrow but will have a look around to see. I believe I may have left the Osprey book on the subject back at University so will have to travel over there at some point to retrieve it.
  EDIT: From Osprey 'Some accounts have survived, such as that of Sir Thomas Dallison, who obtained 300 or 400 yards of red cloth to make cloaks for Prince Rupert's Horse'
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 08, 2015, 09:10:46 am
I personally prefer the first one as it looks a little darker, armour does look dark like that in most pictures I see of re-enactors. The second one looks a little too clean/new. If the armour was the same colour it may not matter as much but even then after being con campaign for a while and most likely keeping the same set it would most definitely look darker.


Thanks



I want to ask, do you have any images of Prince Rupert's horse? Were they blue or red?
 
Sorry for late reply. To my knowledge they were in red. There is evidence that they ordered red uniforms at some point (I don't have the source to hand sadly). However, as the war went on you would probably see a mixture of uniforms. I expect a few more would be in soft hats as well.
  Then again, this source has Prince Rupert Lifeguard (who formed a part of the regiment and were sometimes detached as a separate unit) in blue: http://www.blews-ltb.co.uk/regimentinfo/royalistCoats.asp
  I know Prince Rupert himself probably wore a light blue coat with a montero hat (large white feather of course). I am a little busy tomorrow but will have a look around to see. I believe I may have left the Osprey book on the subject back at University so will have to travel over there at some point to retrieve it.
  EDIT: From Osprey 'Some accounts have survived, such as that of Sir Thomas Dallison, who obtained 300 or 400 yards of red cloth to make cloaks for Prince Rupert's Horse'

Hey, I found this image. I think they are lifeguards
(https://i.imgur.com/1ikYVRX.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on August 08, 2015, 12:18:16 pm
Those are bavarians mate.  :P
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 08, 2015, 12:49:07 pm
Those are bavarians mate.  :P

Lol . I searched for Prince Rupert's horse and this image appeared  :D But why they carry Rupert's horse flag then?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on August 08, 2015, 01:38:02 pm
Those are bavarians mate.  :P

Lol . I searched for Prince Rupert's horse and this image appeared  :D But why they carry Rupert's horse flag then?
Okay, I had a brain fart.
He was duke of bavaria.  ::)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 08, 2015, 04:14:20 pm
Do remember that this is how the wargamer has chosen to paint them. Some people prefer to have their figures look nice or fit a particular pattern if there is little evidence available (and to differentiate between units better). As I said, there is that one account (Sir Thomas Dallison who was in Prince Rupert's Horse and killed at Naseby I believe) that has them in red but seeing as though the King's Lifeguard is already in red then to vary the uniforms I don't think there would be too much of an issue if some troopers were in blue. Infact a mixture may be good as there is a difference of what men were meant to wear and what they actually wore. I don't know when he ordered the cloth but it is likely that they would wear out after a short while, and whilst red was a cheaper dye (hence why the New Model adopted it) they would probably have to make do with what was already to hand.
  Personally I would stick with red but perhaps have the trumpeter in blue and give them more soft hats to differentiate the a little from the King's Lifeguard of Horse. A few in other colours wouldn't be too bad either.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 08, 2015, 07:13:46 pm
Prince Rupert's Cavalry, WIP
(https://i.imgur.com/JZ2CRp3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/pkttzBQ.jpg)

Officer. I think the hat is too big. Maybe I will change it
(https://i.imgur.com/qkbsnqO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/z2EAUC0.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 08, 2015, 08:26:37 pm
Looks good, the soft hats definitely make them stand out a little more from the King's Lifeguard. As I have said before, one part of Prince Rupert's Regiment of Horse was designated as his Lifeguard, I have heard mention that many in the lifeguard wore Cuirassier armour (although like much of the history of the armies, we do not know for sure), if you were able to introduce more ranks then maybe it could go:
Trooper (like above soft hats)
Lifeguard (Cuirassier, maybe with red tunics? As mentioned one officer is reported to have ordered cloth to make red uniforms)
Trumpeter
Cornet
Officer
  I like the blue sash as well, again makes them different from the King's Lifeguard (I am sure the King's Lifeguard wore red sashes). Most Royalists seem to have worn red sashes but then it seems some of the cavalry wore blue as well. With the tunics, maybe a little variation, perhaps the odd one in brown, faded red or buff?

  On a separate note I just had a thought. The American Civil War mod added preachers, they would certainly fit into this type of mod, particularly the Parliamentarian side.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 08, 2015, 09:18:29 pm
Looks good, the soft hats definitely make them stand out a little more from the King's Lifeguard. As I have said before, one part of Prince Rupert's Regiment of Horse was designated as his Lifeguard, I have heard mention that many in the lifeguard wore Cuirassier armour (although like much of the history of the armies, we do not know for sure), if you were able to introduce more ranks then maybe it could go:
Trooper (like above soft hats)
Lifeguard (Cuirassier, maybe with red tunics? As mentioned one officer is reported to have ordered cloth to make red uniforms)
Trumpeter
Cornet
Officer
  I like the blue sash as well, again makes them different from the King's Lifeguard (I am sure the King's Lifeguard wore red sashes). Most Royalists seem to have worn red sashes but then it seems some of the cavalry wore blue as well. With the tunics, maybe a little variation, perhaps the odd one in brown, faded red or buff?

  On a separate note I just had a thought. The American Civil War mod added preachers, they would certainly fit into this type of mod, particularly the Parliamentarian side.

Good ideas. I will make Rupert's horse as you ordered. Problem with preachers is dabing. My voice sounds strange,and I don't know anyone, who could voice it
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 08, 2015, 10:31:48 pm
  No worries. Accuracy is an issue that will never be solved when we have so little information, it is about giving the person who plays this mod the feel that the units are as accurate and enjoyable to play as possible.
  With the priests, sadly I do not know any puritan preachers, perhaps someone else may be able to volunteer? I don't think I could pull off the crazy puritan, what with the singing of Psalms and so on!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 09, 2015, 06:46:45 pm
Final version of Covenanter Officer
(https://i.imgur.com/yoWJuBf.jpg)



Looks good, the soft hats definitely make them stand out a little more from the King's Lifeguard. As I have said before, one part of Prince Rupert's Regiment of Horse was designated as his Lifeguard, I have heard mention that many in the lifeguard wore Cuirassier armour (although like much of the history of the armies, we do not know for sure), if you were able to introduce more ranks then maybe it could go:
Trooper (like above soft hats)
Lifeguard (Cuirassier, maybe with red tunics? As mentioned one officer is reported to have ordered cloth to make red uniforms)
Trumpeter
Cornet
Officer
  I like the blue sash as well, again makes them different from the King's Lifeguard (I am sure the King's Lifeguard wore red sashes). Most Royalists seem to have worn red sashes but then it seems some of the cavalry wore blue as well. With the tunics, maybe a little variation, perhaps the odd one in brown, faded red or buff?

  On a separate note I just had a thought. The American Civil War mod added preachers, they would certainly fit into this type of mod, particularly the Parliamentarian side.

Im quite not sure if you mean you mean by cuirass this (https://i.imgur.com/7sgiCS3.jpg) or this (https://i.imgur.com/qGkZXZO.jpg)
Should Troopers have buffcoats and cuirasses too?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 09, 2015, 08:46:03 pm
  I mean more 17th Century style Cuirassiers. By the 19th century Cuirassiers only had a helmet, a Cuirass (the front breastplate)and a backplate (the picture on the left appears to be a French Napoleonic Cuirass). the picture on the right is more late Medieval/Early Renaisance.
  From what I know, Prince Rupert had a troop known as his Lifeguard that made up part of the regiment but were sometimes detached as a separate unit. It is not known exactly what they wore but I have heard mention that the lifeguard were equipped as cuirassiers with the full armour.
http://www.warlordgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Cuirassiers_Wallpaper.jpg
http://www.minecreek.info/eastern-association/notes-jhv.html
http://blog.helion.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Hazelriggs-Lobsters-a-regiment-of-Curiassiers-were-destroyed-at-Roundaway-Down.jpg
  There was only one regiment equipped entirely as Cuirassiers during the war (Hasselrig's on the parliamentarian side) but some individuals may have purchased full sets of armour. I would separate it so the troopers look pretty much like you have done them (maybe mix in a few buff coats as well) whilst the Cuirassier option are equipped as fully armoured Cuirrasiers with everything.
  So:
Trooper- (soft hat, possibly a lobster pot, breast and back plate, maybe a buff coat. Tunic either do blue, brown or red)
Lifeguard- (Full armour, helmet, Breast and Back Plate, armour for the arms and legs etc.)
Trumpeter- (Probably wouldn't give them armour,  have them in a buff coat with a soft hat)
Cornet- (equipped probably the same as the trooper)
Officer- (probably wouldn't change the one you have. In terms of colour of sash I suppose blue is good as it does make them stand out from the King's Lifeguard)
  Do some in red but mix it up a little, blue will be fine in order to add some variation in uniforms and to distinguish them.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 09, 2015, 08:54:52 pm
  I mean more 17th Century style Cuirassiers. By the 19th century Cuirassiers only had a helmet, a Cuirass (the front breastplate)and a backplate (the picture on the left appears to be a French Napoleonic Cuirass). the picture on the right is more late Medieval/Early Renaisance.
  From what I know, Prince Rupert had a troop known as his Lifeguard that made up part of the regiment but were sometimes detached as a separate unit. It is not known exactly what they wore but I have heard mention that the lifeguard were equipped as cuirassiers with the full armour.
http://www.warlordgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Cuirassiers_Wallpaper.jpg
http://www.minecreek.info/eastern-association/notes-jhv.html
http://blog.helion.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Hazelriggs-Lobsters-a-regiment-of-Curiassiers-were-destroyed-at-Roundaway-Down.jpg
  There was only one regiment equipped entirely as Cuirassiers during the war (Hasselrig's on the parliamentarian side) but some individuals may have purchased full sets of armour. I would separate it so the troopers look pretty much like you have done them (maybe mix in a few buff coats as well) whilst the Cuirassier option are equipped as fully armoured Cuirrasiers with everything.
  So:
Trooper- (soft hat, possibly a lobster pot, breast and back plate, maybe a buff coat. Tunic either do blue, brown or red)
Lifeguard- (Full armour, helmet, Breast and Back Plate, armour for the arms and legs etc.)
Trumpeter- (Probably wouldn't give them armour,  have them in a buff coat with a soft hat)
Cornet- (equipped probably the same as the trooper)
Officer- (probably wouldn't change the one you have. In terms of colour of sash I suppose blue is good as it does make them stand out from the King's Lifeguard)
  D some in red but mix it up a little, blue will be fine in order to add some variation in uniforms and to distinguish them.

Ok. But It will be kinda weird, because cuirasssiers these cuirassiers will share cuirasses with Parliamentary one
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 09, 2015, 09:09:39 pm
  That is the problem with a civil war they all look the same :)
  Most pictures I have seen of Cuirassiers have them wearing sashes so you could give Haselrig's orange sashes and Ruperts lifeguard either blue or red to ensure they are more distinguishable. I heard as well that the Earl of Essex also had a troop of Lifeguards equipped as Cuirassiers (sometimes referred to as a regiment in its own right, like Ruperts). The wearing of full armour was going out fashion in this era and by the end of the First Civil War I doubt many men were still wearing it.
  There is no concrete evidence that all the troops in Rupert's Lifeguard (being one troop of about a hundred men in a regiment of over 500 on paper with several troops) but some individuals did wear Cuirassier armour and it would be a little unfair to give Parliament a load of tanks on horses whilst not letting a least a few Royalists counter that.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on August 09, 2015, 09:13:26 pm
  That is the problem with a civil war they all look the same :)
 
You've just given me an idea, why not force remove overhead banners?  :D
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 09, 2015, 09:20:15 pm
  That would be a good idea, the problem is I will end up massacring my own men if I know me!  ;D
  That said it would be accurate, sometimes the only thing to show whose side you were on was a sash, it would make people work together a little more and be careful with who they are shooting at/stabbing.
  If voice shouts are changed then that would help. Royalists shouting 'God save the King!' and Parliament shouting something appropriately religious (or consisting of four letter words).
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: ~Midnight~ on August 10, 2015, 09:18:39 am
Just stumbled upon this, it looks amazing.. Good Luck to you man, I hope it will be fantastic ^
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 10, 2015, 09:53:24 am
Just stumbled upon this, it looks amazing.. Good Luck to you man, I hope it will be fantastic ^

Thanks for your support  :)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 10, 2015, 01:50:09 pm
Should I use this flag for Cromwell's Ironsides? (https://i.imgur.com/UFXsuSA.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 10, 2015, 02:08:05 pm
Should I use this flag for Cromwell's Ironsides? (https://i.imgur.com/UFXsuSA.jpg)
From this site: http://wiki.bcw-project.org/parliamentarian/horse-regiments/oliver-cromwell
'A number of cornets belonging to officers of Cromwell's regiment were recorded. The fields of these flags are of different colours, red, yellow, blue and white. While the ideal was for all troops of the same regiment to carry cornets with the same field colour, this was not strictly adhered to in the army of the Eastern Association, as Manchester's horse also carried cornets of different colours. It is also possible that some of the recorded cornets relate to officers' service prior to or after leaving Cromwell's regiment.

Colonel Oliver Cromwell's cornet design is unknown. In a contemporary manuscript of flag illustrations it is left blank, implying either that it was plain white, or that the illustrator didn't get around to completing it. A plain white cornet is plausible, as Cromwell's favoured colour when later commanding the army in Ireland was white (whether this refers to infantry or cavalry flags or sashes is unclear, but Cromwell was painted wearing a white sash). Additionally, colonels and more senior officers often chose a plain design for their own troop's cornet, sometimes made of patterned fabric (for example Sir Thomas Fairfax and Lord Grey of Wark). Therefore a white cornet is the most likely candidate for Cromwell's troop but this is in no way definite. There is no contemporary evidence for the troop carrying a black flag with white lion derived from Cromwell's coat of arms, which is a modern 'reconstruction'.

Captain Henry Ireton's cornet was red with a red and white fringe and a complicated white scroll PRO (used for both lines) DIVINIS QUI AMITTIT SERVAT and HUMANIS VIM VI).

Captain James Berry's cornet was red with a red and yellow fringe with a diagonal motto in white with no scroll Pro Rege et Lege Parati).

Captain Samuel Porter's cornet was yellow with a yellow and white fringe featuring an arm wielding a sword emerging from a cloud (all proper) and a four-part scroll with the motto PRO FIDE SEMEL TRADITA).

Captain John Grove's cornet was white with a white fringe, showing an armoured arm weilding a sword (proper) and a three-part scroll FOR TRVETH AND PEACE).'

  The flag in the above picture is his standard as Lord Protector if my memory serves me right and was not used till well after the Civil War, certainly no earlier than the execution of the King. I have seen some Parliamentarian re-enactors use this standard although again it wasn't the official flag till 1649:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_English_Interregnum#/media/File:Flag_of_the_Commonwealth_(1649-1651).svg
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 10, 2015, 03:21:34 pm
Okey's Dragoons Flag
(https://i.imgur.com/TLEvnWT.jpg)
Haslerig's Cuirassiers Flag
(https://i.imgur.com/uQbheHY.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 10, 2015, 03:28:25 pm
  Looking good. I did read somewhere that cavalry guidons (flags) were quite small, some being only 60cm/2 feet, but it is probably better to make them a little bigger. Dragoon flags as well were shaped differently from other flags (see the bottom of this picture):
http://www.wargamesdesigns.com/uploads/8/8/4/5/8845944/3388630_orig.png
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 10, 2015, 03:49:42 pm
With that flag shape it will be a bit harder, but I will try
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 10, 2015, 04:18:48 pm
  Looking good. I did read somewhere that cavalry guidons (flags) were quite small, some being only 60cm/2 feet, but it is probably better to make them a little bigger. Dragoon flags as well were shaped differently from other flags (see the bottom of this picture):
http://www.wargamesdesigns.com/uploads/8/8/4/5/8845944/3388630_orig.png

I think it's impossible. Model would be really hard to edit and new one would be for me impossible. Sorry, it will look only like normal flags for infantry  :'(
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 10, 2015, 04:23:12 pm
Couldn't you adapt some of the models from regular Napoleonic Wars? I seem to remember the cavalry flags in that were smaller. If not I am sure there must be an expert on modding flags who could lend a hand. If not then the shape of the dragoon flag doesn't matter too much.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 10, 2015, 04:25:16 pm
Couldn't you adapt some of the models from regular Napoleonic Wars? I seem to remember the cavalry flags in that were smaller. If not I am sure there must be an expert on modding flags who could lend a hand.

Cavalry flags will be smaller, but I am talking about shape
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 10, 2015, 04:30:43 pm
Yes I realised that and edited my comment but didn't realise you had replied. Still, perhaps after the first release of the mod you may get some modders from other projects offer to lend a hand. In the meantime though keep up the good work, you have done a lot already, the roster of units are looking good. Are you going to add another Royalist Cavalry regiment to the roster?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 10, 2015, 04:42:35 pm
Yes I realised that and edited my comment but didn't realise you had replied. Still, perhaps after the first release of the mod you may get some modders from other projects offer to lend a hand. In the meantime though keep up the good work, you have done a lot already, the roster of units are looking good. Are you going to add another Royalist Cavalry regiment to the roster?

I don't know modders who would be interested and could help. For many of them this mod and timeline is not interesting

I want to add only Regiments that looked very different from these that are already done, because all of them looked almost same and it would be stupid to copy and paste same regiment and only rename it.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 10, 2015, 04:52:06 pm
Fair enough, it is a shame that we don't have much reference for Motroses cavalry otherwise we could include them to liven things up a bit (he did raise some small units, including this one: http://wiki.bcw-project.org/scots-royalist/horse-regiments/capt-blackadder there is a full list of regiments here: http://wiki.bcw-project.org/scots-royalist/horse-regiments/start)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 10, 2015, 04:56:13 pm
Fair enough, it is a shame that we don't have much reference for Motroses cavalry otherwise we could include them to lvien things up a bit (he did raise some small units, including this one: http://wiki.bcw-project.org/scots-royalist/horse-regiments/capt-blackadder there is a full list of regiments here:http://wiki.bcw-project.org/scots-royalist/horse-regiments/start)


Yeah. In time of war they could paint images of regiments and troops to make easier life for us :D
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on August 10, 2015, 04:57:48 pm
I'm interested in this era and would like to help mod with u  :'(
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 10, 2015, 04:59:40 pm
I'm interested in this era and would like to help mod with u  :'(

What kind of help do you offer? 

Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 10, 2015, 05:03:52 pm
Fair enough, it is a shame that we don't have much reference for Motroses cavalry otherwise we could include them to lvien things up a bit (he did raise some small units, including this one: http://wiki.bcw-project.org/scots-royalist/horse-regiments/capt-blackadder there is a full list of regiments here:http://wiki.bcw-project.org/scots-royalist/horse-regiments/start)


Yeah. In time of war they could paint images of regiments and troops to make easier life for us :D
  Damn them, they should have known that nearly four hundred years later we would want to represent them in a computer game  ;D
  That is the problem with this era, a lot of documents were destroyed (I believe when Oxford fell all the records of the King's Oxford Parliament were burned) and there are very few paintings of soldiers on campaign. All we have to go on is a few scraps of info, it is like trying to make a jigsaw with three quarters of the pieces missing and then trying to guess exactly what the picture looked like without the box for reference!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 10, 2015, 05:05:12 pm
Damn them, they should have known that nearly four hundred years later we would want to represent them in a computer game  ;D

This is only modification for game  :D
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 10, 2015, 06:01:09 pm
  Going back to the preachers, if somebody could do the voice then I would do a few different types.
1) Royalist priest:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/William_Laud.jpg)
I would base his vestments on those worn by Archbishop Laud
2) Parliamentarian/Puritan Priest:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/John_Pym.jpg)
I know John Pym was an MP and not a priest but the style of clothes he is wearing in the painting look stereotypically Puritan. I would probably give a Puritan priest a large hat a la Witchfinder General.
  Some other options to add as well
3)Covenanter Priest
4)Irish Catholic Priest
5) Ranters and Levellers
  Warlord games released this little vignette a while ago:
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.shopify.com%2Fs%2Ffiles%2F1%2F0288%2F8306%2Fproducts%2Fwgp-ec-31-rabblerousers_1024x1024.jpeg%3Fv%3D1397474210&hash=8e1dea3c2089913749eb1aa36439dcc1fe035e12)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 10, 2015, 06:06:53 pm
  Going back to the preachers, if somebody could do the voice then I would do a few different types.
1) Royalist priest:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/William_Laud.jpg)
I would base his vestments on those worn by Archbishop Laud
2) Parliamentarian/Puritan Priest:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/John_Pym.jpg)
I know John Pym was an MP and not a priest but the style of clothes he is wearing in the painting look stereotypically Puritan. I would probably give a Puritan priest a large hat a la Witchfinder General.
  Some other options to add as well
3)Covenanter Priest
4)Irish Catholic Priest
5) Ranters and Levellers
  Warlord games released this little vignette a while ago:
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.shopify.com%2Fs%2Ffiles%2F1%2F0288%2F8306%2Fproducts%2Fwgp-ec-31-rabblerousers_1024x1024.jpeg%3Fv%3D1397474210&hash=8e1dea3c2089913749eb1aa36439dcc1fe035e12)

Thanks for pictures

Also, what do you think about pikemen with and without tassets? Every pikeman has two versions: armor with taset and without.
Should every pikeman have armor and tasset?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 10, 2015, 06:28:38 pm
I think the tasset was rapidly falling out of fashion by this era. If you look at this photo from the King's Lifeguard of Foote re-enactment group then none of them are in tassets and some don't even wear armour at all!
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kingslifeguard.co.uk%2Fcpg15x%2Falbums%2FGreat%2520Barford%25202009%2F12.jpg&hash=de10a314614dbb5bc8b56e0ba53068deb44a9cad)
  Some soldiers did wear them though, I would have two options, one with and one without. I have attached a picture of some figures I painted from the King's Lifeguard as well.

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Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 10, 2015, 06:31:59 pm
I think the tasset was rapidly falling out of fashion by this era. If you look at this photo from the King's Lifeguard of Foote re-enactment group then none of them are in tassets and some don't even wear armour at all!
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kingslifeguard.co.uk%2Fcpg15x%2Falbums%2FGreat%2520Barford%25202009%2F12.jpg&hash=de10a314614dbb5bc8b56e0ba53068deb44a9cad)
  Some soldiers did wear them though, I would have two options, one with and one without. I have attached a picture of some figures I painted from the King's Lifeguard as well.

Here goes the "5 ranks problem". Script for 6 ranks is not working.
I will need to keep armor with tasset only random.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on August 10, 2015, 06:34:23 pm
Fun fact:
Breastplates for pikemen were going out of fashion near the end of the English civil war, the reason being that armoured pikemen couldn't keep up with lighter musketeers who could just shoot and outrun them on a block v block engagement.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 10, 2015, 07:19:24 pm
Lost patience, adding buffcoats to every single pikeman
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 10, 2015, 07:26:43 pm
I would keep them in armour, perhaps just have the helmet, breast and backplate without tassets as a compromise? Buff coats were worn extensively during the English Civil War but were most popularly utilized by the cavalry. I have never seen many illustrations of pikemen wearing buffcoats. Remember, you can always do a second version of the mod with more fleshed out units. I have a book on order as well about the uniforms of the Civil War, should be here in a few days.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 10, 2015, 07:28:21 pm
I would keep them in armour, perhaps just have the helmet, breast and backplate without tassets as a compromise? Buff coats were worn extensively during the English Civil War but were most popularly utilized by the cavalry. I have never seen many illustrations of pikemen wearing buffcoats. Remember, you can always do second version of the mod with more fleshed out units. I have a book on order as well about the uniforms of the Civil War, should be here in a few days.

Ok
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 10, 2015, 08:42:01 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/J41tAwM.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/WIpbh6L.png)
  I was experimenting a little earlier and came up with these.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 10, 2015, 08:44:30 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/J41tAwM.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/WIpbh6L.png)
  I was experimenting a little earlier and came up with these.

They look great!  :) Thanks!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 10, 2015, 10:25:19 pm
I can't find anything about Leslie's Flag. I will give them just Scotland flag

EDIT: Found something
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 11, 2015, 11:45:07 am
What hat/helmet should cuirassier trumpeter wear? I thought about opened armet, but it's a bit complicated to make it open  :-\
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 11, 2015, 12:38:38 pm
Well if Warlord Games are anything to go by, then trumpeters didn't wear any armour:
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.warlordgames.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F07%2FWGP-09-Cuirassiers.png&hash=38775f18c313fd34a94464816158f4784b3f6225)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 11, 2015, 12:40:28 pm
Well if Warlord Games are anything to go by, then trumpeters didn't wear any armour:
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.warlordgames.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F07%2FWGP-09-Cuirassiers.png&hash=38775f18c313fd34a94464816158f4784b3f6225)

That image is from bad perpective. I cant see what is he wearing
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 11, 2015, 01:43:46 pm
He is basically equipped like most other trumpeters. They tended to wear soft hats from what I can see:
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.warlordgames.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F07%2FCuirassier-cornet.png&hash=e46356db89daa07574d5b39653e75d195c7236a1)
  And some Perry Miniatures figures:
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-8wAsI6XY2V0%2FUiJkVAwqtRI%2FAAAAAAAAEWY%2FQDCydwUzFbY%2Fs1600%2FHaselrigge%2B001.JPG&hash=a5967ed37ba471d9fc71d9626b73326645cfd022)
http://toysoldiersanddiningroombattles.blogspot.co.uk/2013_08_01_archive.html
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 11, 2015, 01:45:22 pm
He is basically equipped like most other trumpeters. They tended to wear soft hats from what I can see:
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.warlordgames.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F07%2FCuirassier-cornet.png&hash=e46356db89daa07574d5b39653e75d195c7236a1)
  And some Perry Miniatures figures:
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-8wAsI6XY2V0%2FUiJkVAwqtRI%2FAAAAAAAAEWY%2FQDCydwUzFbY%2Fs1600%2FHaselrigge%2B001.JPG&hash=a5967ed37ba471d9fc71d9626b73326645cfd022)
http://toysoldiersanddiningroombattles.blogspot.co.uk/2013_08_01_archive.html

Thanks
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 11, 2015, 03:31:13 pm
  No problem. By the way, I notice that they (Warlord Games) have labelled the trumpeter as a cornet. Whilst I understand that the cornet is a musical instrument, there was (and still is in the Blues and Royals and Queens Royal Hussars) the rank of Cornet. A Cornet is the equivalent to an ensign in the infantry, thus would carry the Colours, so from what I understand, this fellow should be referred to as a Trumpeter whilst the cavalry ensign should be known as a Cornet.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 11, 2015, 03:41:43 pm
  No problem. By the way, I notice that they (Warlord Games) have labelled the trumpeter as a cornet. Whilst I understand that the cornet is a musical instrument, there was (and still is in the Blues and Royals and Queens Royal Hussars) the rank of Cornet. A Cornet is the equivalent to an ensign in the infantry, thus would carry the Colours, so from what I understand, this fellow should be referred to as a Trumpeter whilst the cavalry ensign should be known as a Cornet.
Yes

Haslerig's Cuirassiers regiment is completed
(https://i.imgur.com/hISQkco.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/kSd3jw7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/U9IWHFO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/UR0Z9L8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/i87vtyb.jpg)
Also, I decided to make Covenanters wear only grey uniforms again.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 11, 2015, 03:56:28 pm
  They look excellent, number two is my favourite (although I would give the Trumpeter an orange sash as red is for the King!) Judging from the background, I assume Cromwell took them on a trip to the beach  ::)
  Good as well that the Covenanter's will be in grey. I would keep the designs you have already done though, If you are able to do a Highland unit for the Royalists they would fit in quite well with a little tweaking (shields, claymores, bows etc.)
  Here is a picture of some Covenanter's I have done in 28mm:
(https://i.imgur.com/RoljTd0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ISLNr9e.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 11, 2015, 04:04:40 pm
  They look excellent, number two is my favourite (although I would give the Trumpeter an orange sash as red is for the King!) Judging from the background, I assume Cromwell took them on a trip to the beech  ::)
  Good as well that the Covenanter's will be in grey. I would keep the designs you have already done though, If you are able to do a Highland unit for the Royalists they would fit in quite well with a little tweaking (shields, claymores, bows etc.)
  Here is a pciture of some Covenanters I have done in 28mm:
(https://i.imgur.com/RoljTd0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ISLNr9e.jpg)


Haha  :D
I plan to make musketeers in grey, and some pikemen give grey armour or grey shirt with tartan sash
If I knew script for more units, then I would add Scottish royalists. But I am noob at scripting.
And your scottish pikemen look awesome!  ;D
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 11, 2015, 07:16:55 pm
Final version of Cuirassier trumpeter
(https://i.imgur.com/BJk1IDX.jpg)
That green thing (I don't know what is it called) flutters like flag
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 11, 2015, 08:34:44 pm
  I think it is just known as a trumpet banner. The Trumpeters of the Household Cavalry still have them today (and have had them since they were formed in 1660):
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhouseholdcavalry.info%2Fimages%2Ftpt2.jpg&hash=352d812fa3eb4edcbd16503ad2ba0df33f0fadd9)
  I doubt there is much evidence on what they all looked like, they probably differed from regiment to regiment. Since the colour of Hasselrig's standard was green then it is most likely that the trumpet banner was green also, as you have done. The film Cromwell has some of the Royalist trumpet banners bearing the Royal Standard, although there are plenty of inaccuracies with the film.
  They are looking good, how many units are there left to go? I have a new book coming from Thursday onwards that should have plenty of colour plates of English Civil War Uniforms.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 11, 2015, 08:42:19 pm
  I think it is just known as a trumpet banner. The Trumpeters of the Household Cavalry still have them today (and have had them since they were formed in 1660):
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhouseholdcavalry.info%2Fimages%2Ftpt2.jpg&hash=352d812fa3eb4edcbd16503ad2ba0df33f0fadd9)
  I doubt there is much evidence on what they all looked like, they probably differed from regiment to regiment. Since the colour of Hasselrig's standard was green then it is most likely that the trumpet banner was green also, as you have done. The film Cromwell has some of the Royalist trumpet banners bearing the Royal Standard, although there are plenty of inveteracies with the film.
  They are looking good, how many units are there left to go? I have a new book coming from Thursday onwards that should have plenty of colour plates of English Civil War Uniforms.

I can't make more trumpets with different trumpet banners. Game can have only one trumpet. It's hard to explain...
Units are done. Im just adding officers and musicians to scripts.
As I said, I can't have more units. Script is needed for that, and I don't much understand scripts.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 11, 2015, 08:49:14 pm
No that's alright, you have to work with the limitations of the game. I don't think the historical community will have a meltdown if the trumpet banners of the King's Lifeguard or Haselrigg's Cuirassiers are the wrong colour!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 12, 2015, 11:05:52 am
New Parliamentarian Senior Officer
(https://i.imgur.com/VeWD156.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3P3gTjr.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 12, 2015, 11:44:38 am
Looks good, although I notice he has a red sash around his waist, Parliamentarian ones should be orange (there is some dispute over that, some other armies wore different colour sashes and Cromwell is known to have worn a white sash at one point). The red stripe around his hat should probably be orange as well, the feather is fine as far as I am aware.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 12, 2015, 11:53:46 am
Looks good, although I notice he has a red sash around his waist, Parliamentarian ones should be orange (there is some dispute over that, some other armies wore different colour sashes and Cromwell is known to have worn a white sash at one point). The red stripe around his hat should probably be orange as well, the feather is fine as far as I am aware.

Ok. I thought it should be red because new model army wore red too
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 12, 2015, 12:09:47 pm
That was more the tunics were red rather than the sashes. It does get confusing because I have seen a couple of paintings with Parliamentarians in red sashes (although I believe they are from the Victorian era). There is some record of the armies at Marston Moor (including the Scots Covenanter's) never even wearing sashes, but a white handkerchief. It is most likely though that the Earl of Essex's army wore Orange (I believe there were five main Parliamentarian field armies before the New Model was formed).
  Red was traditionally the colour of the King but some colonels would choose the colour of the sash (hence why many Royalist cavalrymen are depicted in blue sashes). 
  There is more discussion on the issue here: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=393322
For consistency, aside from a few cavalry regiments, best to stick the Royalists with red sashes, Parliament Orange and then make a few different colours for the odd special regiment.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 13, 2015, 05:18:48 pm
This little fellow arrived today:
(https://i.imgur.com/F3qhURz.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 13, 2015, 05:27:34 pm
This little fellow arrived today:
(https://i.imgur.com/F3qhURz.jpg)

Beautiful  :-*
 
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Frederik on August 14, 2015, 02:07:39 am
But tabletop miniatures  have some limitations as well, theyhave to keep officers and musicans special.
But most of the time musicans were not soldiers, so they did not have any weapons(not even swords)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on August 14, 2015, 10:43:02 am
But tabletop miniatures  have some limitations as well, theyhave to keep officers and musicans special.
But most of the time musicans were not soldiers, so they did not have any weapons(not even swords)
Anyone planning to go on a battlefield would take some form of self-defense. Common sense would dictate that, I wouldn't want to go on a field without something to jab the opposing side with.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 14, 2015, 11:03:10 am
I plan to make musicians invincible  ;)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 14, 2015, 12:57:15 pm
But tabletop miniatures  have some limitations as well, theyhave to keep officers and musicans special.
But most of the time musicans were not soldiers, so they did not have any weapons(not even swords)
Anyone planning to go on a battlefield would take some form of self-defense. Common sense would dictate that, I wouldn't want to go on a field without something to jab the opposing side with.
  Seconded. I do Napoleonic re-enacting (okay, an era a hundred and fifty years after the Civil War) and all the drummers have swords. They were meant more for chopping wood but if the going got tough then they would have little choice. Interestingly, drummers in the Napoleonic era were paid the same as a Corporal and were meant to administer field punishment (flogging usually).
  Remember as well that the 'rules of war' can be a little vague and generals will 'interpret' them as they see fit. Cromwell massacred God knows how many people in Ireland. Men also were not meant to loot or gamble in the Napoleonic era, but there are plenty of examples of it happening. Whilst drummers were meant to not fight, if a blood crazed cavalry trooper is slashing at you, I think you would want to defend yourself!
  Good to see that the musicians will be invincible  ;D If we get preachers in there then they will definitely have to be invincible!
  By the way ProDazzer_, I have edited a few bits of the soundtrack to make some brief sounds that could be used for the Royalist and Parliamentarian victory sounds in the game. What is the best way for me to send it to you?
EDIT: just sent it by PM. Hope it works.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on August 15, 2015, 03:33:40 pm
When you mean invincible, you mean like god like being that can never die or they have more health than most of the troop, but still can be killed in other ways (like cannonballs ;) )
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 15, 2015, 04:08:47 pm
When you mean invincible, you mean like god like being that can never die or they have more health than most of the troop, but still can be killed in other ways (like cannonballs ;) )

I was just joking. They will be killable. Only rule is: Don't kill musician, if is he not attacking you, in deathmatch, conquest and team deathmatch. In event, try not to shoot him.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 16, 2015, 10:46:42 am
King Charles I's lifeguard of foote musketeer
(https://i.imgur.com/2RfSdAd.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on August 16, 2015, 10:59:16 am
When you mean invincible, you mean like god like being that can never die or they have more health than most of the troop, but still can be killed in other ways (like cannonballs ;) )

I was just joking. They will be killable. Only rule is: Don't kill musician, if is he not attacking you, in deathmatch, conquest and team deathmatch. In event, try not to shoot him.
you shall never stop the mad midnight drummer mass murderer!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 16, 2015, 11:08:05 am
When you mean invincible, you mean like god like being that can never die or they have more health than most of the troop, but still can be killed in other ways (like cannonballs ;) )

I was just joking. They will be killable. Only rule is: Don't kill musician, if is he not attacking you, in deathmatch, conquest and team deathmatch. In event, try not to shoot him.
you shall never stop the mad midnight drummer mass murderer!

Why do you want to kill innocent little drummers? :( :'(
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 16, 2015, 11:38:57 am
  The King's Lifeguard of Foote look good. One tiny thing, is there any way to change his boots? I believe boots were only worn by officers (although junior officers like ensigns probably didn't) and cavalry troopers. Infantry (pikemen and musketeers) tended to wear shoes with what I believe are referred to as stockings (colour varied, white and grey seem to be the most popular). See the pictures I PM'd you, number 12 should show you what I mean.
EDIT: another obervation if I may. The King's Oxford Army seems to have more montero caps and at least half of musketeers I see in the re-enacted King's Lifeguard seem to wear them, although plenty still wear other types of hats:
http://www.kingslifeguard.co.uk/cpg15x/displayimage.php?pid=208&fullsize=1
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on August 16, 2015, 12:52:27 pm
I'd recommend giving fancy boots like that to Officers, Serjeants, Ensigns and drummers due to them being paid more than the regular troops.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 16, 2015, 01:35:15 pm
I'd recommend giving fancy boots like that to Officers, Serjeants, Ensigns and drummers due to them being paid more than the regular troops.
  Sounds like a good idea although even then, most illustrations I have seen show only Officers and the cavalry in boots. Still I am sure some must have worn them and like you said they would be paid more (I don't know about the English Civil War, but in the Napoleonic Wars British drummers were paid the same as a Corporal).
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on August 16, 2015, 01:51:54 pm
http://www.earlofmanchesters.co.uk/drums.html
Found this a while ago when looking through reenactment groups, it's quite an interesting video 'bout drummers.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 16, 2015, 02:00:40 pm
That is a good video. I found this on the Marquess of Winchesters Regiment website as well, they have a little bit on Drummers:
http://www.marquisofwinchesters.co.uk/Roles-Drummer.html
  If we could get permission from them to use the sounds of the drums from that video then that would be good. I don't know if drum calls varied between Royalists and Parliamentarian or even on a regimental basis. In the Napoleonic Wars it was standard across pretty much the whole army although this is the seventeenth century where, till the New Model came along, there was no standing army.
  I notice as well that the drums are much larger than those used in the Napoleonic Wars.
  I wonder as well, what about trumpet calls for the cavalry?
EDIT: From 'The English Civil War, 1642-165, An illustrated Military History', page 92:
'Musicians traditionally wore elaborately-laced uniforms; for example, in 1587-8 Norwich purchased for their drummer a green kersey coat with eleven yards of lace and six yards of 'pointing', and spent 10s. on five yards of green and white Levant taffeta for their flute player.'
  Another interesting part:
'Fifers occupied a less important place,  Turner remarking that 'With us any Captain may keep a piper in his company, and maintain him too, for no pay is allowed him, perhaps just as much as he deserveth.' '

  It also goes on to say that the King's Lifeguard probably had the Royal Coat of Arms painted onto their drums. Is it possible to introduce unique drums for each regiment or is it done as a whole?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 16, 2015, 02:54:05 pm
Now I am really confused. I was working 1 hour to change boots to troops  >:( . So I need again to change it?
Royalists and Parliament have only one drummer type.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 16, 2015, 03:08:51 pm
Don't worry, in our quest for perfection we keep forgetting that you are the only person creating and editing the uniforms for the mod. What you have done so far is amazing and I can't wait for the mod to come out. If there is trouble in changing the boots then don't worry, I don't think I will have any sleepless nights over it! It could be worst, we could decide the buttons are the wrong design or something!
  By the way, when you say just one rank of drummer, will you have different variants within that? Say the option pick the colour of uniform you are wearing (red, blue, white for Royalists for example?)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 16, 2015, 03:21:43 pm
Don't worry, in our quest for perfection we keep forgetting that you are the only person creating and editing the uniforms for the mod. What you have done so far is amazing and I can't wait for the mod to come out. If there is trouble in changing the boots then don't worry, I don't think I will have any sleepless nights over it! It could be worst, we could decide the buttons are the wrong design or something!
  By the way, when you say just one rank of drummer, will you have different variants within that? Say the option pick the colour of uniform you are wearing (red, blue, white for Royalists for example?)

This is Willhelm's mod. He discontinued and I am continuing. If I could contact him, he could make uniforms what you have sent to me. But I don't want to bother him, I don't think he is interested anymore.
There will be one Drummer in Musicians section with more variants.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 16, 2015, 10:56:45 pm
Hey guys. Im going on vacation, so don't think this mod is dead.

Tower Hamlets Trayned Bande musketeer
(https://i.imgur.com/V47QYVx.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on August 16, 2015, 10:58:45 pm
Looks great, have fun on your vacation :)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 16, 2015, 10:59:02 pm
Looks great, have fun on your vacation :)

Thanks
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 27, 2015, 06:41:38 pm
Heey guys ! Im back from holidays and again back at modding. I just made video of new drummer calls. Thanks to Black Watch 1745 and The Marquess of Winchester's Regiment for these great sounds!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U__1gXvJW5w&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 27, 2015, 06:52:54 pm
Excellent, I did try to find some Trumpet calls for the cavalry but have had no luck (interestingly, according to my book on Civil War drumming, dragoons had drummers). By the way, I have just Pm'd you some more background music suggestions.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 27, 2015, 06:59:55 pm
Excellent, I did try to find some Trumpet calls for the cavalry but have had no luck (interestingly, according to my book on Civil War drumming, dragoons had drummers). By the way, I have just Pm'd you some more background music suggestions.

So Should I make dragoon drummer or infantry drummer is enough?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Augy on August 27, 2015, 07:04:26 pm
It wouldnt be a proper mod on the English civil war without the Levellers.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 27, 2015, 07:24:03 pm
Excellent, I did try to find some Trumpet calls for the cavalry but have had no luck (interestingly, according to my book on Civil War drumming, dragoons had drummers). By the way, I have just Pm'd you some more background music suggestions.

So Should I make dragoon drummer or infantry drummer is enough?

  I would just stick with infantry for now. Of course they would be mounted and ride in but I don't know if they had a different type of drum, I will look into it. Oh and good to see the footwear issue is fixed!
  And in reply to Augy, I did suggest having the option to be a Leveller, a Puritan priest, a Catholic priest and an Anglican priest. Perhaps it would be good as well to have the option to be a camp follower. Women regularly accompanied the armies and would most likely tend to the wounded (although it was very rudimentary and most likely after the fighting had stopped). Infamously, the Parliamentarians massacred dozens of Royalist woman after Naseby because they thought  they were Irish Catholics (they were actually Welsh). Still, these things are complicated so it will take time.
EDIT: Just found this over at Warlord Games:
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.warlordgames.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F02%2FMtd_Dragoon_drummer.jpg&hash=8d5d0dfcc1b2137e6d7fc0fbdbf158e97927780a)
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.warlordgames.com%2Fdownloads%2Fpdf%2Fecwwallpapers%2FDragoons-wallpaper.jpg&hash=b582564ea469cb4de2f9e17d3c6414e8780a2700)
  It would appear then that drummers in the dragoon regiments looked exactly like an other drummer (being cavalry some are wearing boots)but would sling their drum across their back when riding into battle. When they dismounted they would then beat out the calls.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 27, 2015, 07:38:37 pm
Excellent, I did try to find some Trumpet calls for the cavalry but have had no luck (interestingly, according to my book on Civil War drumming, dragoons had drummers). By the way, I have just Pm'd you some more background music suggestions.

So Should I make dragoon drummer or infantry drummer is enough?

  I would just stick with infantry for now. Of course they would be mounted and ride in but I don't know if they had a different type of drum, I will look into it. Oh and good to see the footwear issue is fixed!
  And in reply to Augy, I did suggest having the option to be a Leveller, a Puritan priest, a Catholic priest and an Anglican priest. Perhaps it would be good as well to have the option to be a camp follower. Women regularly accompanied the armies and would most likely tend to the wounded (although it was very rudimentary and most likely after the fighting had stopped). Infamously, the Parliamentarians massacred dozens of Royalist woman after Naseby because they thought  they were Irish Catholics (they were actually Welsh). Still, these things are complicated so it will take time.
EDIT: Just found this over at Warlord Games:
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.warlordgames.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F02%2FMtd_Dragoon_drummer.jpg&hash=8d5d0dfcc1b2137e6d7fc0fbdbf158e97927780a)
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.warlordgames.com%2Fdownloads%2Fpdf%2Fecwwallpapers%2FDragoons-wallpaper.jpg&hash=b582564ea469cb4de2f9e17d3c6414e8780a2700)
  It would appear then that drummers in the dragoon regiments looked exactly like an other drummer (being cavalry some are wearing boots)but would sling their drum across their back when riding into battle. When they dismounted they would then beat out the calls.

I will try my best. But did they have only this type of cap or normal hats too?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 27, 2015, 07:49:02 pm
I think they had a variety of headgear like the rest of the army. They only painted a few figures as examples and chose the montero cap for the drummer, although if you want to give him that hat it wouldn't hurt. Warlord Games also make Scottish dragoons (Covenanter and Royalist) so if you wanted to add a Scottish cavalry regiment to the Royalist roster, you could do Royalist Scottish dragoons but give them the blue bonnet (I don't know what colour tunics, either red or perhaps grey).
EDIT: I have found two Scottish Royalist Dragoon regiments:
Captain Blackadder’s Troop of Dragoons: http://wiki.bcw-project.org/scots-royalist/horse-regiments/capt-blackadder
Captain John Mortimer’s Troop of Dragoons: http://wiki.bcw-project.org/scots-royalist/horse-regiments/john-mortimer
  The latter were drawn from the Irish troops so would most likely have the same uniforms.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 27, 2015, 07:58:37 pm
I think they had a variety of headgear like the rest of the army. They only painted a few figures as examples and chose the montero cap for the drummer, although if you want to give him that hat it wouldn't hurt. Warlord Games also make Scottish dragoons (Covenanter and Royalist) so if you wanted to add a Scottish cavalry regiment to the Royalist roster, you could do Royalist Scottish dragoons but give them the blue bonnet (I don't know what colour tunics, either red or perhaps grey).

Thanks for info!



New loadscreen
(https://i.imgur.com/mK0cmGc.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on August 27, 2015, 08:38:04 pm
nice to see you re back, cant wait for this!
however i would choose a painting for the loadscreen, would look nicer imo
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 27, 2015, 08:38:28 pm
Looks great! I was just thinking about the loading screen actually but that one looks good. What will you use for the one on the main menu? I have a few suggestions:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Charles_Landseer_Cromwell_Battle_of_Naseby.JPG)

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fichef.bbci.co.uk%2Farts%2Fyourpaintings%2Fimages%2Fpaintings%2Ftown%2Flarge%2Flan_town_burgm_paoil29_large.jpg&hash=08e6a16ad86c0d5eecd581816e2387650d818d70)
(You already have this one on the main page I notice)

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg547.imageshack.us%2Fimg547%2F1376%2Fcromwellatdunbar.jpg&hash=f0aed83a105cf271b58c76f61c394b841e38f245)

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fichef.bbci.co.uk%2Farts%2Fyourpaintings%2Fimages%2Fpaintings%2Fhmcms%2Flarge%2Fhmp_hmcms_fa2004_143_large.jpg&hash=657ae8903fc3b242f7e7d07d520951de52c051bf)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Charles_Landseer_-_The_Eve_of_the_Battle_of_Edge_Hill,_1642_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on August 27, 2015, 08:43:13 pm
same thought xD
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg4.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20130805205325%2Falthistory%2Fimages%2Fd%2Fdf%2FThefirstmustersmallvc4.jpg&hash=b8c35d4ce42450dadb4082ec3bdfc60d12a32857)
looks like some musketeers are recieving their first instructions on the firelocks
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 27, 2015, 08:45:58 pm
nice to see you re back, cant wait for this!
however i would choose a painting for the loadscreen, would look nicer imo

My pleasure
Looks great! I was just thinking about the loading screen actually but that one looks good. What will you use for the one on the main menu? I have a few suggestions:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Charles_Landseer_Cromwell_Battle_of_Naseby.JPG)

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fichef.bbci.co.uk%2Farts%2Fyourpaintings%2Fimages%2Fpaintings%2Ftown%2Flarge%2Flan_town_burgm_paoil29_large.jpg&hash=08e6a16ad86c0d5eecd581816e2387650d818d70)
(You already have this one on the main page I notice)

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg547.imageshack.us%2Fimg547%2F1376%2Fcromwellatdunbar.jpg&hash=f0aed83a105cf271b58c76f61c394b841e38f245)

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fichef.bbci.co.uk%2Farts%2Fyourpaintings%2Fimages%2Fpaintings%2Fhmcms%2Flarge%2Fhmp_hmcms_fa2004_143_large.jpg&hash=657ae8903fc3b242f7e7d07d520951de52c051bf)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Charles_Landseer_-_The_Eve_of_the_Battle_of_Edge_Hill,_1642_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg)

Yeah, I could use them.

same thought xD
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg4.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20130805205325%2Falthistory%2Fimages%2Fd%2Fdf%2FThefirstmustersmallvc4.jpg&hash=b8c35d4ce42450dadb4082ec3bdfc60d12a32857)
looks like some musketeers are recieving their first instructions on the firelocks

And I just realised The Century of War usses this same picture somewhere
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 27, 2015, 08:47:49 pm
same thought xD
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg4.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20130805205325%2Falthistory%2Fimages%2Fd%2Fdf%2FThefirstmustersmallvc4.jpg&hash=b8c35d4ce42450dadb4082ec3bdfc60d12a32857)
looks like some musketeers are recieving their first instructions on the firelocks
  Ah one of Don Troiani's if I am not mistaken. I believe it is of the first settlers of Jamestown some decades before the Civil War but the kit and clothing is pretty much the same (minus the helmets):

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffirststreetconfidential.com%2Fimages%2Fimages-history%2F1213-massachusetts-bay-colony-militia.jpg&hash=ef0347f34f71ce34c7a38b9d6534594fc21a490e)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 27, 2015, 08:56:16 pm
But that cat is best  ;D my photoshop skillz
(https://i.imgur.com/or1KGHI.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 27, 2015, 09:08:20 pm
But that cat is best  ;D my photoshop skillz
(https://i.imgur.com/or1KGHI.jpg)
Brilliant! You must add him as a unit in the game  ;D
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on August 28, 2015, 03:17:07 pm
...A cat as a stead with a helmet on?  8)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 28, 2015, 03:25:08 pm
...A cat as a stead with a helmet on?  8)

y
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on August 28, 2015, 11:01:09 pm
new admin horse? xD
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 30, 2015, 11:27:05 pm
Final version of Scottish lancers
(https://i.imgur.com/DlgpQZe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cdeTBMm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lSRXHBs.jpg)
I will show you Manchesters regiment of foot soon...
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on August 30, 2015, 11:43:48 pm
Looks good, I am working on the flags as we speak. I have done this one for Manchester's based on what I can find (the re-enactment group has red diamonds lined white rather than yellow though, but I have seen other illustrations with yellow diamonds). It is still a work in progress.
(https://i.imgur.com/SSAPznW.png)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 30, 2015, 11:48:17 pm
Looks good, I am working on the flags as we speak. I have done this one for Manchester's based on what I can find (the re-enactment group has red diamonds lined white rather than yellow though, but I have seen other illustrations with yellow diamonds). It is still a work in progress.
(https://i.imgur.com/SSAPznW.png)

Good job
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 31, 2015, 04:33:15 pm
BIG UPDATED!

Hey guys! We have big updates. From now on, we will focus on first english civil war. Unit selection menu was edited.
-Deleted new model army regiments
-Special regiments, like Scottish covenanters infantry, trained bands were moved to Special section
-Added 6 first english civil war regiments (if we could get script for "Next page" in unit menu, there could be many more regiments. Hopefully, we will find someone who can do it)

Lord Brooke's regiment (Next will be Manchester's)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ejq5j8i.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/473RGQa.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on August 31, 2015, 04:57:45 pm
Looking good.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 31, 2015, 04:59:21 pm
I decided that from now on I will be not posting Infantry regiments, because their models are not that much attractive.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on August 31, 2015, 05:03:45 pm
looking forward to this!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Earth Bby on August 31, 2015, 07:43:46 pm
I decided that from now on I will be not posting Infantry regiments, because their models are not that much attractive.

Models look fine, textures  :-X
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Doge on August 31, 2015, 09:21:16 pm
Lookin' good man! Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on August 31, 2015, 09:29:46 pm
I decided that from now on I will be not posting Infantry regiments, because their models are not that much attractive.

Models look fine, textures  :-X

Whats bad on textures?  :-[

Lookin' good man! Keep up the good work!
Thx.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Earth Bby on September 01, 2015, 12:01:44 am
I decided that from now on I will be not posting Infantry regiments, because their models are not that much attractive.

Models look fine, textures  :-X

Whats bad on textures?  :-[

Lookin' good man! Keep up the good work!
Thx.

Can you show me in high as I don't think they have normal maps from your pics
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 01, 2015, 12:17:33 am
Every uniform has normal map.
(https://i.imgur.com/XKXkbHs.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SX2WpNd.jpg)
It might not be seen, but they have
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Bravescot on September 01, 2015, 02:44:05 am
One regiment I'd love to see you show is the Marquis of Newcastle's Regiment of Foote nick named "The Lambs"due to their white uniforms. Nobody can question that their stand at Marston Moor is one of the most historic and heroic stands in English history.
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-qx1SnTU8PDc%2FUG2_xyiIsdI%2FAAAAAAAALpY%2FO3rn_uYr2NM%2Fs1600%2Fgt0014.jpg&hash=acd72534b4746aa8cf00792e233f79d32906ec7e)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 01, 2015, 08:46:38 am
They were added looong time ago
(https://i.imgur.com/wxqAgMt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/izO8YVk.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 01, 2015, 01:33:52 pm
Newcastle was a nuisance when I was recently writing an essay on the Royalists in the Civil War. In one source I used, (a letter Charles wrote to him at the start of the war) he was an Earl, the next source was after 1643 when he made a Marquess and the last source was one after the restoration when he was a Duke, so I was having to alternate between his various titles! 
EDIT: It is interesting as well that many of Newcastle's lambs (the nickname was due to their white coats) also wore blue bonnets, although how quickly those wore out I do not know.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Bravescot on September 03, 2015, 04:14:01 pm
I think they were quickly dropped after the Scots joined the war to stop any confusion.

I was wandering how many Ensigne (Proper Olde English spelling) will we see? Will we see the full host from the Colonel's right the way to the 3-4 or even 5th Captain's or will there be just the 1 per Regiment of Foote?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 03, 2015, 04:50:04 pm
To my knowledge the maximum number of colours we can have in a regiment is two. Even if we did have ten or so it wouldn't necessarily be accurate, many regiments stopped carrying all of their colours as the number of men in the regiment dropped or they were lost to the enemy so they probably only took two or three colours into battle (although the King's Lifeguard is an exception as they apparently still had all of theirs at Naseby).
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 03, 2015, 06:05:39 pm
I think they were quickly dropped after the Scots joined the war to stop any confusion.

I was wandering how many Ensigne (Proper Olde English spelling) will we see? Will we see the full host from the Colonel's right the way to the 3-4 or even 5th Captain's or will there be just the 1 per Regiment of Foote?
Even it may not be historicaly correct, I will try to include all of them.  It all depends on Black Watch 1745 if he will send me how they looked

And I just found your old thread about Prince Rupert's foote  ::)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 03, 2015, 06:49:02 pm
  Here are some images from the re-enactment group for Newcastle's Regiment (I don't know whether they should be referred to as the Earl of Newcastle's Regiment of Foote or the Marquess/Marquis of Newcastle's Regiment as he was elevated from an Earl to a Marquess in 1643, the latter is their name at Marston Moor so I would go with that):
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6089/6054522982_7980bae481_b.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6208/6051234240_cc84e27107_z.jpg) (https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5445/9403378266_7b3b5514d2.jpg)

  Then there is this: http://wiki.bcw-project.org/royalist/foot-regiments/marquis-of-newcastle
'According to the Northumberland and Durham Composition papers, in 1642 Newcastle had bought 3000 Scots blew bonnets to equip his infantry regiments, though how long these survived is unknown.'
  Interestingly as well:
'Royalist prisoners taken at York were said to have white coats with red and blue silk crosses on their sleeves by a Parliamentarian'
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Bravescot on September 03, 2015, 07:57:34 pm
And I just found your old thread about Prince Rupert's foote  ::)
He he he for the Deluge yeah :P was a good little regiment. Pity I got forced to form it when I couldn't be there to command so it died off.

  Interestingly as well:
'Royalist prisoners taken at York were said to have white coats with red and blue silk crosses on their sleeves by a Parliamentarian'
Those red and blue crosses were crosses of gallantry awarded to men of the regiment by the Marquess himself.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Forest on September 03, 2015, 08:51:59 pm
why in God's name was there no following for century of war???
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Doge on September 03, 2015, 09:08:33 pm
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Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 03, 2015, 09:11:06 pm
Wow, my mod got mentioned here?  :o



When  ???
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Bravescot on September 03, 2015, 09:17:15 pm
Can we keep this to Pike & Shotte and not other mods
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Doge on September 03, 2015, 09:25:34 pm
why in God's name was there no following for century of war???

Then  :)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 03, 2015, 09:43:00 pm
Prince Rupert's foot Officer
(https://i.imgur.com/0lt89cm.jpg)
-sergeant was deleted, and I will work on drummers for each regiment
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Bravescot on September 03, 2015, 09:52:12 pm
Nice :D
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 03, 2015, 10:23:53 pm
Excellent work! Can't wait to play this mod, I will probably play it more than regular Napoleonic Wars!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 03, 2015, 10:25:14 pm
Excellent work! Can't wait to play this mod, I will probably play it more than regular Napoleonic Wars!

No sentences containing lies allowed
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Doge on September 03, 2015, 10:29:41 pm
Ha ha! I agree with him though, this is looking pretty good! Can't wait for the release.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 03, 2015, 10:32:50 pm
Ha ha! I agree with him though, this is looking pretty good! Can't wait for the release.

Same with your mod  :) And don't forget to make harquebuses extra slow  ;D
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Doge on September 03, 2015, 10:34:14 pm
Bruh, I have barely even started on mine. I am still deciding on what units to use.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 04, 2015, 01:42:10 pm
Fairax's Regiment of foote officer
(https://i.imgur.com/zTxyZbo.jpg)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Bravescot on September 04, 2015, 01:56:07 pm
Getting the famous regiments out the way I see ;)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 04, 2015, 03:29:04 pm
Fairax's Regiment of foote officer
(https://i.imgur.com/zTxyZbo.jpg)
  Looks good although one minor point, he should probably have an orange sash for Parliament as red is the colour usually associated with the King. There is some controversy though as I believe Fairfax was with the Eastern Association and may not have worn the orange sashes of Essex's army.
EDIT: I just noticed as well that he is wearing two sashes, one around the waist and one across his shoulder, I believe it should be either one around his waist or one across the shoulder. I don't think there was a particular system for wearing sashes, in the Napoleonic Wars it was sashes around the waist for officers and sergeants apart from the highland regiments who wore it across the shoulder. Personally I would give the ensigns the sash across the waist and the officers the sash across the shoulder, although you could alternate it a bit between regiments.
  It looks like that the sash was also worn the other way on the shoulder (for officers in the infantry at least, maybe sergeants wore them the other way?) although of course I doubt there was a uniformed system for the wearing of sashes:
(https://earlofmanchesters.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/screen-shot-2014-04-27-at-18-38-40.png)

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kingslifeguard.co.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F02%2Fkeith21.jpg&hash=1bbb2b23ca9a7f4bae30812ceb3b09d2d4c8b140)
  I apologize if I am being picky but as a historian I will continually be looking for things from the wrong colour tunic to the slightest button out of place!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 04, 2015, 03:59:26 pm
Fairax's Regiment of foote officer
(https://i.imgur.com/zTxyZbo.jpg)
  Looks good although one minor point, he should probably have an orange sash for Parliament as red is the colour usually associated with the King. There is some controversy though as I believe Fairfax was with the Eastern Association and may not have worn the orange sashes of Essex's army.
EDIT: I just noticed as well that he is wearing two sashes, one around the waist and one across his shoulder, I believe it should be either one around his waist or one across the shoulder. I don't think there was a particular system for wearing sashes, in the Napoleonic Wars it was sashes around the waist for officers and sergeants apart from the highland regiments who wore it across the shoulder. Personally I would give the ensigns the sash across the waist and the officers the sash across the shoulder, although you could alternate it a bit between regiments.
  It looks like that the sash was also worn the other way on the shoulder (for officers in the infantry at least, maybe sergeants wore them the other way?) although of course I doubt there was a uniformed system for the wearing of sashes:
(https://earlofmanchesters.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/screen-shot-2014-04-27-at-18-38-40.png)

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kingslifeguard.co.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F02%2Fkeith21.jpg&hash=1bbb2b23ca9a7f4bae30812ceb3b09d2d4c8b140)
  I apologize if I am being picky but as a historian I will continually be looking for things from the wrong colour tunic to the slightest button out of place!

Thanks for historicall lecture  ;D  I will give that officer orange sash.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Bravescot on September 04, 2015, 06:09:19 pm
Guys please use spoilers for quotes that big.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Willhelm on September 07, 2015, 06:20:28 pm
Love the officers, glad to see you're taking the historical side seriously.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 07, 2015, 06:42:48 pm
Love the officers, glad to see you're taking the historical side seriously.

Well, its not that much historically accurate, but its similar to them  :D
Thanks
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on September 07, 2015, 08:39:11 pm
this coming togheter really nicely
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Willhelm on September 08, 2015, 11:01:56 am
Love the officers, glad to see you're taking the historical side seriously.

Well, its not that much historically accurate, but its similar to them  :D
Thanks

Theres a heck of a lot of variation and personal preference for Officers in this war though so you can make some interesting looking units.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Doge on September 08, 2015, 01:36:35 pm
Yeah. Because during the war, I think there was a lack of regulation, so people equipped their men with what they felt like equipping their men.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 08, 2015, 02:23:57 pm
Researching the uniforms of the regiments that took part in the English Civil War is like trying to build a jigsaw with 90% of the pieces missing and no box cover to have for reference, not to mention having a few other jigsaws mixed in to confuse you!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Doge on September 08, 2015, 02:45:02 pm
Yep! Can't find hardly anything due to lack of standardized uniform regulations.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 08, 2015, 02:46:02 pm
Tried to do this guy's uniform.
(https://i.imgur.com/ksdVEjq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/r579AZ0.jpg)And this is why the sashes cannot be on the other side
Ugly :( :( :(  :(
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 08, 2015, 02:48:13 pm
Yep! Can't find hardly anything due to lack of standardized uniform regulations.

I know. Its really hard. But my friend sent me a good mod about beggining of 17th century for Empire TW, so if you got that game, you could look at some units. http://www.moddb.com/mods/colonialism-1600ad-work-in-progress
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Bravescot on September 08, 2015, 03:25:50 pm
If you need help with the uniforms of the men of the period send me a PM any time. I'd be more then happy to provide historical assistance.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 08, 2015, 03:33:26 pm
If you need help with the uniforms of the men of the period send me a PM any time. I'd be more then happy to provide historical assistance.

Thanks  :D. For Now I have to do some units, but I will contact you when Ill need
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Doge on September 08, 2015, 09:13:45 pm
Yep! Can't find hardly anything due to lack of standardized uniform regulations.

I know. Its really hard. But my friend sent me a good mod about beggining of 17th century for Empire TW, so if you got that game, you could look at some units. http://www.moddb.com/mods/colonialism-1600ad-work-in-progress

I know, but there is no auto install, and I suck at ETW modding, and I don't want to screw up my game.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 08, 2015, 09:26:16 pm
Yep! Can't find hardly anything due to lack of standardized uniform regulations.

I know. Its really hard. But my friend sent me a good mod about beggining of 17th century for Empire TW, so if you got that game, you could look at some units. http://www.moddb.com/mods/colonialism-1600ad-work-in-progress

I know, but there is no auto install, and I suck at ETW modding, and I don't want to screw up my game.

Its simple. Just follow instructions.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on September 09, 2015, 02:20:30 am
oh Colonialism 1600, I can finally have a line of pistoleers firing a each other till everyone is dead :)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JubJubXD on September 09, 2015, 06:46:23 am
Thanks to Juan for showing me this mod. THIS LOOKS SO COOL! The Troop variety is cool compared to say, Russian Partisans from NW. I always wanted a mod that took lots and lots of Scottish troops. I have but one request though, actually two.
The first (Easier) one is for there to be Bagpipers for the Scottish foot units
The second (Way harder) is perhaps a Campaign mode?
Good luck making this! I can't wait to play.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 09, 2015, 02:30:13 pm
Thanks to Juan for showing me this mod. THIS LOOKS SO COOL! The Troop variety is cool compared to say, Russian Partisans from NW. I always wanted a mod that took lots and lots of Scottish troops. I have but one request though, actually two.
The first (Easier) one is for there to be Bagpipers for the Scottish foot units
The second (Way harder) is perhaps a Campaign mode?
Good luck making this! I can't wait to play.

Thanks for your support!
The first request: It could be possible. I could make Musician troop, where  you could choose if you want bagpipe or drum.
The second: Thats the hardest thing to do in NW. I would need to add new strings, map, and everything. For me its impossible.
Thanks for your nice words. I will try to finish it as soon as possible  :)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Willhelm on September 09, 2015, 06:52:12 pm
Researching the uniforms of the regiments that took part in the English Civil War is like trying to build a jigsaw with 90% of the pieces missing and no box cover to have for reference, not to mention having a few other jigsaws mixed in to confuse you!

I don't think so, in fact there's lists out there which list the uniform colours of the different regiments.  Here, have this, i also sent it to Dazzer so maybe he has already sent it to you. It's 10 ebooks about the English civil wars including detailed information about uniforms and equipment. It should help immensely when it comes to research.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/aca0i43y8wx8vw4/ECW_upload.zip
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 09, 2015, 07:09:43 pm
Im not sure if this guy is an officer...
(https://i.imgur.com/qPuMrGl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6ehSbN2.jpg)
Thx to Csatadi for sash mesh
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 09, 2015, 07:15:28 pm
The point is though is that we don't know the vast majority of regimental uniforms. This site lists most of the known units that fought in the Civil Wars:http://wiki.bcw-project.org/start
 You then have contradictory evidence, for example the Earl of Manchester's regiment in one source is listed in red faced green and another as green faced red, could well have been a mixture of the two. Uniforms as well were guidelines, in the field that could well easily break down and with precious few pictorial sources from the era, not to mention literary sources are fragmented and many were lost (the records of the King's Oxford Parliament were lost when the city fell), then it is hard to know for sure.
  We probably have definitive evidence for about twenty or thirty English regiments out of hundreds, the rest is pure conjecture although fortunately we only need a dozen or so for the mod.
  Thanks for the ebooks although I have most of them already (I have just studied the Civil Wars at University so I have already trawled through dozens of books on the subject!) The best one I found is the book by Philip Haythornthwaite, a little old now but still very detailed with some lovely colour plates. By the way I wish I had had this sooner, I spent nearly twenty pounds on the rule book for Pike and Shotte last Christmas!
 
EDIT: looking good, nice the see the sash looks better. I believe that chap is an officer, sergeants whilst not as poor as the common soldier would probably be more in the uniform of their regiment although if they had money then you never know what they might wear (if they had money they probably would be an officer already!). I think the chaps tunic might be a little too long  and the lace to tie it up should be a little more pronounced. Then again, I am being picky, I haven't a clue about modelling and texturing so have no idea about the difficulties of creating such a thing!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Willhelm on September 09, 2015, 09:07:19 pm
Well, luckily the mod only needs around 30 regiments, so the best most well known and understood ones can be used.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 09, 2015, 09:09:57 pm
Amen to that, can't wait to play as the King's Lifeguard!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 09, 2015, 09:15:04 pm
Amen to that, can't wait to play as the King's Lifeguard!

What did you say?! Guys, We have a supporter of King here! Hang him! Death to king, and Leslie the traitor!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 09, 2015, 09:27:09 pm
The King and the Cause!
The church and the laws!
Charles, King of England!
Prince Rupert of the Rhine!
God Save the King!

  When you get the mod finished we will have to settle this somewhere, I hear Edgehill is good this time of year!

On a side note, I was wondering about having the troops shouting the correct battle-cries (like the one above)? I tried recording some but my voice is too gentle.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 09, 2015, 09:30:23 pm
The King and the Cause!
The church and the laws!
Charles, King of England!
Prince Rupert of the Rhine!
God Save the King!

  When you get the mod finished we will have to settle this somewhere, I hear Edgehill is good this time of year!

On a side note, I was wondering about having the troops shouting the correct battle-cries (like the one above)? I tried recording some but my voice is too gentle.

That would be awesome. I think you still have better voice than mine  ;D
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 09, 2015, 09:36:56 pm
I will have another go and see if I can sound like a battle-hardened veteran charging into combat! In the meantime if anyone else wants to have a go then that would be good. We could use some people with Scottish or Irish accents (maybe Welsh as well?) as well as English ones, perhaps even with regional accents (Norfolk, West Country etc.). I will try and look up what the correct battle cry for Parliament is, there is a short one they shouted at Dunbar in 1650 'The Lord of Hosts'.
EDIT: This is what I have found for Parliament thus far, mainly Psalms:
Psalm 149 (Lord Brookes Regiment sung this as they stormed Lichfield Close) "Let the high praises of God be in their mouths And a two-edged sword in their hand. To bind their kings with chains, And their nobles with links of iron."
Psalm 117 (Cromwell urged his cavalry to sing this at Dunbar) "Praise the Lord all ye nations, Praise him all ye people, For his merciful kindness is great towards us, And the truth of the Lord endureth forever."
Psalm 68 (Fairfax's men sang this as they stormed Leeds) "Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered." (there is more but I will not post all of it).
The Lord of Hosts (Dunbar again) "For the Lord of Hosts is with us, the God of Jacob is our refuge."
  It would probably be better to have a priest character say all of these in the game!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Bravescot on September 10, 2015, 10:09:01 am
Well two obvious one would be "For God and the King!" and "For God and Parliament"
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 10, 2015, 11:28:43 am
Yes that is another one, although would the Roundheads have been shouting 'for Parliament' so early on? Remember at this stage the objective is to get rid of the Kings advisor's rather than the King himself. Confusingly the Covenanter's put 'For King, Crown and Covenant' (or words to that effect) on their Colours despite fighting him.
  Wouldn't be any harm in using those though and the Roundheads, as I have mentioned, were quite keen on Psalms that condemned Kings.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 10, 2015, 09:04:55 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuWRs5K2oBc&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 10, 2015, 10:21:49 pm
Looking good. Good to see the Covenanter's are coming along nicely.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on September 11, 2015, 02:28:41 am
The uv maping gibs me boner...
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 12, 2015, 09:31:10 pm
Hougomont map by Juan the GREAT/Grape  :o
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(https://i.imgur.com/r92lCj5.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/W8S6Hcm.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/7LXc1rX.jpg)
...and a small surprise for attackers  :-*
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Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 13, 2015, 11:36:13 am
Looks excellent, I love the cannon there! I sent Juan some pictures of various castles, forts and country houses involved in the Civil War so will have to see what he comes up with.
EDIT: Oh and good to see there is a Steam Group going, I was just about to ask if you had set one up.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 13, 2015, 08:12:43 pm
Essex's drummer uniform
(https://i.imgur.com/3j5sza7.png)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 14, 2015, 11:48:07 am
Pikeman vs Pikeman
https://youtu.be/OZ__Oxcx94w
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 14, 2015, 02:10:07 pm
Looks great, and the drummer too (minus him shouting 'Rule Britannia' but as I said previously we need voice actors to fix that!) The pictures you put up on ModB look good as well, how many more regiments are there left now to do?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 14, 2015, 03:49:02 pm
Looks great, and the drummer too (minus him shouting 'Rule Britannia' but as I said previously we need voice actors to fix that!) The pictures you put up on ModB look good as well, how many more regiments are there left now to do?

Im currently adding drummers and ensignes to Parliament infantry, and soon I will go working on Royalist regiments
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 14, 2015, 04:16:23 pm
It looks good, however I would disable blocking with the pike. In real life, I would presume they're really heavy.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 14, 2015, 04:23:35 pm
It looks good, however I would disable blocking with the pike. In real life, I would presume they're really heavy.

Yeah. I would also like to add dropping your pike if you switch weapons. But I think it's done by scripts, which I don't understand much
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 14, 2015, 05:03:24 pm
It looks good, however I would disable blocking with the pike. In real life, I would presume they're really heavy.

Yeah. I would also like to add dropping your pike if you switch weapons. But I think it's done by scripts, which I don't understand much

I think you might be able to do it in Morgh's Editor, if I'm not wrong. I wouldn't have it when you drop weapons, just no blocking. Gets quite annoying after a while.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 14, 2015, 05:56:50 pm
It looks good, however I would disable blocking with the pike. In real life, I would presume they're really heavy.

Yeah. I would also like to add dropping your pike if you switch weapons. But I think it's done by scripts, which I don't understand much

I think you might be able to do it in Morgh's Editor, if I'm not wrong. I wouldn't have it when you drop weapons, just no blocking. Gets quite annoying after a while.

I just need to change itc_spear to itc_lance
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on September 15, 2015, 04:38:56 am
I always loved pikes for not being allowed to block, gives me more of an incentive to stab people in the face with ma big stick :D
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 15, 2015, 02:36:51 pm
Rupert's Foot drummer
(https://i.imgur.com/cgqcxL1.png)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 15, 2015, 03:03:33 pm
Love it! Looking at the re-enactors, the majority of the drummers in Prince Rupert's Regiment are wearing montero caps.

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  Then again it would depend on the individual although as has been previously discussed, the drummers were well paid and the Colonel of the regiment would take great care to make sure they were well arrayed. I've seen examples of some wearing large white feathers in their caps (of course many officers wore them in their hats and sergeants sometimes used a single feather to mark their rank).
  With the drums, not clear in the photograph but some do have Prince Rupert's coat of arms on the front although I think that may be conjectural.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 15, 2015, 05:35:57 pm
Love it! Looking at the re-enactors, the majority of the drummers in Prince Rupert's Regiment are wearing montero caps.

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  Then again it would depend on the individual although as has been previously discussed, the drummers were well paid and the Colonel of the regiment would take great care to make sure they were well arrayed. I've seen examples of some wearing large white feathers in their caps (of course many officers wore them in their hats and sergeants sometimes used a single feather to mark their rank).
  With the drums, not clear in the photograph but some do have Prince Rupert's coat of arms on the front although I think that may be conjectural.

Thanks. I think it would be the best to have on drums only flag of specific regiment. I don't believe random colours, as seen on your picture.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 15, 2015, 11:01:56 pm
Sounds good although remember some regiments do just have the coat of arms of their honorary colonel on them. The King's Lifeguard is definitely mentioned as having the royal coat of arms on all their drums (the drums were also the same dark red as their uniforms from what I read) whilst Manchester's Regiment seems to have had light blue drums with the Earls coat of arms on them.
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(https://earlofmanchesters.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/imag0632.jpg)
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(I am aware this is probably the third time I have linked this picture!)
  Still it is looking good.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on September 16, 2015, 03:24:52 am
OI U DAR, JOIN THE PIKE COMPANY, WE GIVE OUT FREE BEAR AND WENCHES GALORE TO THOSE WHO JOIN!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG-CTdNj4P0


(Just posting this here for fun really)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Rhen on September 16, 2015, 08:11:00 am
This is actually turning into something nice. Oo
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 16, 2015, 01:43:56 pm
I am certainly looking forward to this mod being released. The uniforms look great and it does seem there is some interest in this mod. Even if we don't get the numbers that play regular Napoleonic I hope it will be popular.
  By the way Pro_Dazzer, could we get a look at some of the drum designs you have done? I think doing the flags does make sense for most of the regiments (just those two or three I have already listed, King's Lifeguard, Prince Rupert's, Earl of Manchester's and possibly the Earl of Essex's should have the coat of arms of their respective namesakes).
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 16, 2015, 02:29:51 pm
OI U DAR, JOIN THE PIKE COMPANY, WE GIVE OUT FREE BEAR AND WENCHES GALORE TO THOSE WHO JOIN!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG-CTdNj4P0


(Just posting this here for fun really)

STAB THOSE DIRTY ROYALIST BASTARDS!

This is actually turning into something nice. Oo

Thx very much  :)

I am certainly looking forward to this mod being released. The uniforms look great and it does seem there is some interest in this mod. Even if we don't get the numbers that play regular Napoleonic I hope it will be popular.
  By the way Pro_Dazzer, could we get a look at some of the drum designs you have done? I think doing the flags does make sense for most of the regiments (just those two or three I have already listed, King's Lifeguard, Prince Rupert's, Earl of Manchester's and possibly the Earl of Essex's should have the coat of arms of their respective namesakes).

If I can still count,  there are maybe 10 who wrote here it looks good, but only 3 people will actually try it, and to the end of the month it will die.
With drums, im still a bit confused. Some are still not finished. Ill try to post some pictures when it's done.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 16, 2015, 06:02:52 pm
Reading Earl's of Manchester regiment on BCW,
Quote
Spring proposes that, since it was a double-sized regiment, one 'battalion' wore green lined red and the other red lined green
I could make another 'battalion' in Others section with green lined red uniforms
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on September 16, 2015, 06:02:57 pm
OI U DAR, JOIN THE PIKE COMPANY, WE GIVE OUT FREE BEAR AND WENCHES GALORE TO THOSE WHO JOIN!!!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG-CTdNj4P0
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(Just posting this here for fun really)
Orbital historical correction storm incoming, prepare to be shat upon.

There were no companies, well there were, but companies were more just a general term for bands of men, usually mercenaries.
Pike units were referred to as pike blocks.
You drink beer, not bears.
Whoring would've probably been banned in the Earl of Manchesters Regiment of Foote due to them being puritans.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on September 16, 2015, 06:11:30 pm
OI U DAR, JOIN THE PIKE COMPANY, WE GIVE OUT FREE BEAR AND WENCHES GALORE TO THOSE WHO JOIN!!!

Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG-CTdNj4P0
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(Just posting this here for fun really)
You drink beer, not bears.
hahahah
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 16, 2015, 08:52:27 pm
Earl of Manchester's reg drummer, type 1
(https://i.imgur.com/Umxx5Po.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/vOw25Xd.png)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 16, 2015, 09:07:58 pm
Looking good. Love the drums as well, good to see the Earl's coat of arms there as well.
Wigster is quite right as Manchester's Regiment (which I believe was later merged with a few others to form Fairfax's Foote of the New Model) were Puritan. Interestingly though not all Puritans were the Godly saints they made out to be. Cromwell (okay technically he wasn't a Puritan)used to like dancing and pulling practical jokes. There is an old legend that he had an ink fight when signing the King's death warrant although I think the story has largely been discredited.
  Companies would be a mixture of musketeers and pikemen (usually about a third pikemen, two thirds musketeers. Royalists tended to have more pikes due to shortages of muskets at the start of the war, although some Roundheads had shortages as well. By the end of the wars though you would see more musketeers) and normally between six and ten companies although as time went on they would just merge them. Interestingly many soldiers would probably say they belonged to a particular company under Captain [insert name of Captain] rather than to the regiment.
  To be fair with the beer/bear point, most people here in Norfolk pronounce it bear... ::)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJl5Vd_FK-M
  Well this got off topic fast!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on September 17, 2015, 12:02:38 am
OI U DAR, JOIN THE PIKE COMPANY, WE GIVE OUT FREE BEAR AND WENCHES GALORE TO THOSE WHO JOIN!!!

Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG-CTdNj4P0
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(Just posting this here for fun really)
Orbital historical correction storm incoming, prepare to be shat upon.

There were no companies, well there were, but companies were more just a general term for bands of men, usually mercenaries.
Pike units were referred to as pike blocks.
You drink beer, not bears.
Whoring would've probably been banned in the Earl of Manchesters Regiment of Foote due to them being puritans.

bears are a new type of alcohol ya dip... made entirely from the fur of bears and stuff...
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on September 17, 2015, 01:47:29 am
Map  Progress

Palisade Fort/Training grounds with moat!

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I would love (And I mean it) to hear some suggestions about adding/Editing/fixing some things you see in the map.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Mr.Mixtape on September 17, 2015, 05:55:27 am
Looks nice can't wait!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on September 17, 2015, 12:45:00 pm
your new avatar is awesome dazzer cant wait to play this :D
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 17, 2015, 01:49:11 pm
Map  Progress

Palisade Fort/Training grounds with moat!

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I would love (And I mean it) to hear some suggestions about adding/Editing/fixing some things you see in the map.

Looks good, can't see much I would change. I am doing a bit more research on some siege maps, will PM you when I have got a bit more. The only thing I would say is that forts tended to be laid out like the picture I sent you, see the fort (or rather what's left of it!) at Newark for example.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on September 17, 2015, 03:21:55 pm
I already had the palisade idea by the time you sent me the pics Black Watch. I will do em :)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 17, 2015, 04:16:00 pm
Map  Progress

Palisade Fort/Training grounds with moat!

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I would love (And I mean it) to hear some suggestions about adding/Editing/fixing some things you see in the map.

Sweet  :-* I luv yu
your new avatar is awesome dazzer cant wait to play this :D

thx, I just colored in original one :D

Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on September 23, 2015, 10:30:08 pm
Any more updates? I am back at University now so will be a little busy from now on and, judging from posting activity, t'would appear that the same can be said of most people! I PM'd Juan a few more sources for the maps although that will probably take some time I would guess.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 23, 2015, 11:02:05 pm
Any more updates? I am back at University now so will be a little busy from now on and, judging from posting activity, t'would appear that the same can be said of most people! I PM'd Juan a few more sources for the maps although that will probably take some time I would guess.
No currently interesting updates. Just changing rosters etc
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on September 27, 2015, 09:27:25 pm
I remember you were having issues for finding an accurate detail on the uniform of the Princes cavalry. Just found this short vid.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOnKKs483e8
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Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on September 28, 2015, 06:53:12 pm
I remember you were having issues for finding an accurate detail on the uniform of the Princes cavalry. Just found this short vid.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOnKKs483e8
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I already did them as they are showed in models by Walords games, but still thanks
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on October 01, 2015, 03:26:16 pm
Considering that we are at the boring part of making the mod, I'll just fill things up and tell ya guys our progress currently.

Made a new map, heres a sneak.
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Got the music working and added in two extra tracks. Guess it. ;)

Hint* Its from a Spanish movie.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 01, 2015, 04:52:49 pm
Don't know, but it looks excellent! 
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on October 01, 2015, 08:40:19 pm
Ah St Michaels Mount if I am not mistaken! (Well it may not be exactly like it but I expect these things are not easy to create from scratch!) Have the other songs and tunes I suggested to ProDazzer_ been added?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on October 01, 2015, 09:13:23 pm
Yep its St Michaels Mount, think of it as a miniature water downed version of it :D To be honest their is no type of resources to use for a proper castle, so it looks more like a fort than a castle. And yeah he did add em, purity dank by the way ;)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on October 01, 2015, 09:33:43 pm
Jolly good, it should be interesting playing on that map, what with there basically being only one direction to attack (unless the attackers have boats).
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on October 01, 2015, 09:36:35 pm
There are boats.

Also because I am a woosie who can't keep things secret, heres on of the Spanish tracks

https://youtu.be/7Oq7VJBTvA0
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on October 01, 2015, 09:48:57 pm
I cannot remember the name of the film that soundtrack is from but I seem to remember it features the Battle of Rocroi which is certainly contemporary with the era (isn't Viggo Mortensen aka King Aragorn in it as well?). It sounds good, the drums fit it quite well. You will have to do a battle video with all the sounds in it!
EDIT: The name of the film is in the title of that video...
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Johann on October 02, 2015, 07:31:53 pm
Such a boring time period.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on October 02, 2015, 07:40:44 pm
I strongly disagree sir. This period is full of everything. Dash, romance, colour (remember most regiments have different coloured uniforms and some have quite unique Regimental Colours), Puritans and the future of nations in the balance. The tactics are at the cusp of the old and the new. One of the last major wars in which men whore full plate armour (that is from head to foot, I believe the Poles may have the distinction of being the last). New weaponry was coming to the fore such as the firelock musket and of course it saw the birth of the first regular, professional army in British history.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on October 02, 2015, 07:41:50 pm
I strongly disagree sir. This period is full of everything. Dash, romance, colour (remember most regiments have different coloured uniforms and some have quite unique Regimental Colours), Puritans and the future of nations in the balance. The tactics are at the cusp of the old and the new. One of the last major wars in which men whore full plate armour (that is from head to foot, I believe the Poles may have the distinction of being the last). New weaponry was coming to the fore such as the firelock musket and of course it saw the brith of the first regular, professional army in British history.
Thats okay Black Watch. He is just trolling
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on October 02, 2015, 07:43:51 pm
I suspected as much. Still, thought I had better not stoop to his level. I cannot wait for the mod to come out, I probably shouldn't be asking but will we expect it sometime before Christmas?
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on October 02, 2015, 07:46:57 pm
I suspected as much. Still, thought I had better not stoop to his level. I cannot wait for the mod to come out, I probably shouldn't be asking but will we expect it sometime before Christmas?
Maybe. Im getting bored with this a bit. I won't work on it for some time, but I will not quit. I just need a huge break. I just need to get attracted again, and then 70% percents of my day will be just modding. I promise.  :)
For now you can enjoy some previews from Juan's great maps
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on October 02, 2015, 07:56:31 pm
  He is doing wonderful work with the maps, I cannot wait to see what other ones he has up his sleeve! Take your time with it Pro, it is a large project and has a smaller team than others, whatever happens the mod will be great.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on October 02, 2015, 07:57:44 pm
  He is doing wonderful work with the maps, I cannot wait to see what other ones he has up his sleeve! Take your time with it Pro, it is a large project and has a smaller team than others, whatever happens the mod will be great.

Thanks! I will do what I can. Also, Willhelm is working on some new uniforms. I can't wait to see them
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on October 03, 2015, 01:40:40 am
Yep... sure is boring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=625iTKITRoA



Extra: Once had a pike and shot modded server for NW, every time we had a pike on pike melee.... it wasent pretty...
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Johann on October 03, 2015, 03:05:23 pm
I strongly disagree sir. This period is full of everything. Dash, romance, colour (remember most regiments have different coloured uniforms and some have quite unique Regimental Colours), Puritans and the future of nations in the balance. The tactics are at the cusp of the old and the new. One of the last major wars in which men whore full plate armour (that is from head to foot, I believe the Poles may have the distinction of being the last). New weaponry was coming to the fore such as the firelock musket and of course it saw the brith of the first regular, professional army in British history.
Thats okay Black Watch. He is just trolling

I am not trolling at all. The English Commonwealth has never interested me.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Proton on October 03, 2015, 04:56:06 pm
I strongly disagree sir. This period is full of everything. Dash, romance, colour (remember most regiments have different coloured uniforms and some have quite unique Regimental Colours), Puritans and the future of nations in the balance. The tactics are at the cusp of the old and the new. One of the last major wars in which men whore full plate armour (that is from head to foot, I believe the Poles may have the distinction of being the last). New weaponry was coming to the fore such as the firelock musket and of course it saw the brith of the first regular, professional army in British history.
Thats okay Black Watch. He is just trolling

I am not trolling at all. The English Commonwealth has never interested me.
Then go somewhere else, what a useless time wasting comment.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on October 09, 2015, 10:57:49 am
Sorry
Hey guys. I want to let you know that I will no more work on this mod. There are many reasons. The first of all is that im not good modder. Mod would not be much popular. It would die in the first day of it's release. You can see that the mod contains only OSP, and Im dissapointed by that a bit. I thought that at least half of the models were made by Willhelm. Sadly, I was playing Nova Aetas yesterday, and Saw EXACT same items as in Pike & Shotte. Actually, I just wanted to try modding. First I was happy. But now im getting really tired of this, and Im not much interested. I want to work on other projects whether in real life, or on PC, which will be worth it. For those wo where at least a bit interested, sorry. There were only like 7 people...? I want to resign and leave place for the real mods with really good modding teams and really good features.  For example you can see Crimean War mod. They are working on it hard everyday. They post almost every week a new uniforms. And I? I have nothing to show. It's all about the same recolored uniforms. Not interesting
Im really sorry. It was a good run, which now came to end. Thanks all for your support. And sorry for everyone who helped me so much and put so much effort into this. Im really sorry you spent so much time on project which wasn't actually going to happen
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on October 09, 2015, 09:27:44 pm
i understand your frustration, thank you for trying.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on October 09, 2015, 09:33:34 pm
i understand your frustration, thank you for trying.
thanks for understanding me. Juan told me he would like to continue developing. If not, I will release current version
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Willhelm on October 09, 2015, 09:38:00 pm
Sad to hear that Dazzer. Could you upload all the files and send it to me? I might be able to get it finished and released in a couple of months when I know I'll be free from my current projects for a bit.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on October 09, 2015, 09:39:11 pm
Sad to hear that Dazzer. Could you upload all the files and send it to me? I might be able to get it finished and released in a couple of months when I know I'll be free from my current projects for a bit.
Yeah, sure. Im uploading it now. Should be done in a few minutes
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on October 10, 2015, 12:22:21 am
Sorry to hear this news but it is your decision and you have done quite a lot of work. If Willhelm needs any more help with research if he can finish it then I am quite willing to help, Juan was of course working on the maps so will see what he says.
  Either way best of luck with your future projects and thanks for all you have done.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on October 10, 2015, 12:52:53 am
Your decision mate. You put good effort Dazzer, don't forget dat.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on October 10, 2015, 08:32:14 am
Thanks everyone. Willhelm is planning to work on it when he got free time.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 10, 2015, 10:59:04 am
It's a shame, Dazzer.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: kaskal on October 24, 2015, 04:35:18 pm
I believe historical modes attract a great deal of attention than the other modes and I want to see historical modes.

But long hair and moustache/beard fashion is very important for that era. So hair mustn't disappear when a hat wore. If you handle this, it's going to be the most fascinating mod ever.

The Deluge mod's hairs,moustache/beard and hats best. Utilizable..

Also Ribbons..

       Country                                                                      King

Parliament = Orange ribbon                                  Royalist, Loyalist = Blue and Red ribbon
Puritans = Yellow ribbon
Levellers = Green ribbon                                       

                                            Movies and Dramas

                                                To Kill a King 2003
                                                    Devil's Whore
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Ukima on November 12, 2015, 09:55:20 pm
Looking forward to this!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on November 12, 2015, 10:10:03 pm
Looking forward to this!
sorry but the project is cancelled for the moment
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Physic58 on November 13, 2015, 03:27:28 am
Looks great
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: JUAN THE GREAT! on November 14, 2015, 12:49:36 am
Looking forward to this!
sorry but the project is cancelled for the moment


nope, still working on it Dazzer. Well I am I guess. Dont know about willhlem
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: kaskal on November 14, 2015, 03:38:01 am
Looking forward to this!
sorry but the project is cancelled for the moment

Please do not cancel.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Chickensoup35 on November 15, 2015, 06:39:08 pm
Looks great!!!!!   8)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on November 16, 2015, 01:15:44 pm
  I messaged Wilhelm about a month ago and he said he had some other projects he was working on. He doesn't have anytime to devout to it at the moment but fingers crossed he will be able to give it some attention next year. In the meantime I am keeping myself busy with research (I ordered some books on regimental colours although they are nearly three weeks late now...) and as Juan said he is still doing the maps (you can see the one he did based on St Michaels Mount a few pages back).

EDIT: Just had a message from him today. His other modding projects are going well and he informs me that he is hoping to do some work on Pike and Shotte in two weeks.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: kaskal on November 20, 2015, 05:08:14 pm
I'm happy. Thanks mate..
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Ukima on November 21, 2015, 08:58:59 pm
Please continue this! I really want to see a 16th-17th century pike & shotte based mod. The events would be awesome!
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Pandur on November 21, 2015, 09:04:06 pm
Would rather pay for this then BCoF just to se it come out...
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Wigster600 on November 21, 2015, 09:34:12 pm
Who'd even want Bcof to come out?  ::)
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Miller786 on November 21, 2015, 11:11:38 pm
nice to hear its still being worked on
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Zebaad on December 02, 2015, 04:50:18 pm
Just found this mod, looks good :D keep the good work up :D
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Nativemann on December 02, 2015, 10:18:01 pm
Very interested in the new mods under development that show alot of promise. Keep up the good work this would make a great mod for commander battles and future event hosting possibly.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Black Watch 1745 on December 03, 2015, 08:55:52 pm
Very interested in the new mods under development that show alot of promise. Keep up the good work this would make a great mod for commander battles and future event hosting possibly.
  Yes I think Commander battles will be the best hope for it. Still, I would love to play a simple battle or siege (plenty of manor houses to defend), although we would need numbers for that to happen. If we get the word out there a little more then that will be good. There is a steam group going, although 'tis rather small.

EDIT (11/12/2015): Bad news I am afraid. Wilhelm messaged me to say he cannot work on the mod as he is busy with modding for other projects and other events. However he informs me that Juan is still working on it and he is hoping to release it so all is not lost.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Forest on December 14, 2015, 04:17:05 am
Why is Century of War just ignored? It is a completed mod.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on December 14, 2015, 05:20:10 pm
Why is Century of War just ignored? It is a completed mod.

Oh, I don't know, maybes because Century of War is set in the Thirty Year's War and this mod is set during the English Civil War.
Title: Re: Pike & Shotte - English Civil War Mod
Post by: Dazzer on December 16, 2015, 06:09:18 pm
Why is Century of War just ignored? It is a completed mod.
IMO because if a mod dies once, it (sadly) cannot be revived.

Ok guys. I decided to work on the mod again. Locking this thread and creating a new one