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Close the thread

Other threads stayed open for a bit and probably so will this one  :)

I never gave my consent for the Season 7 thread to be closed. Why does a thread have to be closed? It should be open for discussion and for people to ask questions. Nobody closes the threads of regiments long dead.

^ not a question specifically for you Risk

I guess, mainly when new season starts a new thread is made. Probably the main reason why

shall I unlock them all? xd

There's no harm in it. They were never locked prior to Season 8

Board mod gets paid.

This is my 1337th post. I can never post again.

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Close the thread

Other threads stayed open for a bit and probably so will this one  :)

I never gave my consent for the Season 7 thread to be closed. Why does a thread have to be closed? It should be open for discussion and for people to ask questions. Nobody closes the threads of regiments long dead.

^ not a question specifically for you Risk

I guess, mainly when new season starts a new thread is made. Probably the main reason why

shall I unlock them all? xd

There's no harm in it. They were never locked prior to Season 8

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Close the thread


Other threads stayed open for a bit and probably so will this one :)


I never gave my consent for the Season 7 thread to be closed. Why does a thread have to be closed? It should be open for discussion and for people to ask questions. Nobody closes the threads of regiments long dead.

^ not a question specifically for you Risk

It's the responsibility of the referee to enforce the rules, and If necessary that it doesn't exist to adapt to the situation and tell the regiments what he will and will not allow. If we brought up not having a set rule for specific things over the years, nearly every match before S7 would've been overturned because of the redux of the ruleset that happened during Amit's season


This is true. I don't care what came before me. Broken is broken and I will fix it, but I will not touch anything that came before we got our hands on it because it's not our place to disturb that grave. I did an almost complete rewrite of the rules between S6 and S7 to address previously ambiguous situations, such as what was seen in the officer rambo video.

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Edit: Correction: Per RussianFury, we were never confirmed it to be USD but led on to believe so as TNWL was done in USD but this one wasn't, my bad.

Just to clarify, TNWL Season 1's funds were doled out in CAD.

Source: 

Spoiler
I received $200 in winnings.



The Semi-Pros were promised $200 and got $200. No claims of USD were made. It took 4 months, though.
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The Mess Hall / Re: How famous is the person above you? Mk. 2
« on: May 08, 2019, 03:21:25 am »
I think the term for this one is infamous.

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Let's inject some logic and fact into this discussion.

Many felt that some of the rules of previous seasons of league were not being brought into account.

Yes, exactly. I rewrote the rules between Season 6 and Season 7 because they had massive gaps in many areas, including the way leagues worked. The rules of Season 5 and prior are no longer applicable and even back then, it was a stretch to say that they were.

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When the people running Season 1 created that league, NW was flourishing with regimental activity. The league promotion/demotion system was a fun idea and there was certainly nothing wrong with trying, but it should have been clear to the moderators of subsequent seasons that it wouldn't work. To be clear, the system makes sense, but it relies on regiment fighting ability to remain similar to what it was in previous seasons...which doesn't happen.

I documented this here:

It is my understanding that in Seasons 1-3, signatures were only made for the first place team in League 1. The reason for this was that the regiments that win League 2 were promoted into League 1 in the following season as their prize. The problem with this is that the NW community is not a professional sports league where the same regiments are guaranteed to be participating in NANWL the following season. Many regiments that participate in one season did not exist by the time the next season came around. As a result, the composition of both leagues became unstable, especially after Season 4. As far as I can see from Seasons 1-3, the progression system has never functioned as originally intended. So, each league became self-contained tournaments in of themselves.

In Season 6, we made an effort to try to return to the previous progression model, but the aforementioned issue of long-term participation came up again. In Season 7, it just became a matter of trying to separate the regiments into two different groups to prevent a vast disparity in balance. Therefore, it is only fair that the winners of each league are rewarded with signatures. To exclude League 2's winner would be to ignore the contribution and efforts of the League 2 regiments in Season 7 of the NANWL.
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As much as we want it to, an ideal does not usually match reality.


No one was trying to be unfair or unreasonable.  The issues were that never in the history of this league had there been such a lopsided distribution of regiments.

Hardly true. League 1 of Season 6 was particularly lopsided. Originally the USMC and PSG were placed into League 1, but you moved them into League 2 to dominate there. Low skilled-regiments like the 22nd and LIR wee left to get trashed in League 1 despite my request to be placed into League 2. This is clear in the standings for League 1 and League 2. The USMC, PSG and 45e should all have been in League 1.


Why is LIR league one they arne't even League 1 material??
Just because a regiment didn't do well one year does not mean they won't do well the next year. If anyone has any sense you would know that the LIR are not like most League one regiment but if you are trying to define a regiment which you have no former experience with playing with. The LIR are a great regiment. Personally, after facing the LIR in 1v1s and playing for them a few times I can tell you that they are easily a league one regiment and highly undervalued because of inane bias. The only case you can make against the LIR is the fact that they are not as great of a melee regiment compared to most League one regiments, however, they are easily one of the best shooting regiments in this game which alone makes them very good for league one. Jetch's leading is also underrated in my opinion. Its nonsensical to even think of any regiment that is currently in league one isn't qualified for league one.

Have you looked at the standings from Season 6, 7 and 8? LIR has always requested placement in League 1 and has almost always gotten stomped in League 1. I imagine Jetch once again requested placement into League 1, but to say that they truly belong there is nonsensical. All the same, people who request placement into League 1 have always been allowed to play in it, regardless of whether or not they can compete on that level. Jetch has always wanted to play against the best regiments, which is quite admirable. However, saying that a regiment is League 1 material based purely on your own subjective interaction with them isn't a valid way of measuring skill.


Wouldn’t be NANWL without hella bickering on the forums

'Tis tradition

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The tortoise wins the race.

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Also just because of the whole "For the people by the people" thing in NANWL if enough people supported MATT & or Oatmeal being unbanned I'd see that as fair

I think you misunderstood my words. In that quote, I am not saying that the mods are hostage to the collective votes of the community and must do what they say. Being allowed to share and voice opinions in a constructive manner without being shut down is what I was referring to. This was specifically in reference to Karth's unwillingness to negotiate at all based due to his personal grievances with Irish, among other things. Whatever the popular opinion, it is not fair at all to the participating regiments, Irish and the NANWL staff to unban Oatmeal and MATT.

Anyway, at this point, it appears that it is generally agreed upon that the record cannot be changed for Season 5. It's a shitty situation, but that is the reality of it. I expect the NANWL mods will be focusing their efforts on running Season 9, not wasting time by continuing to discuss reparations for a tournament long dead.

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Given that I was involved in running NANWL for three entire seasons and nobody hounded me about what went on with Season 5, I'm going to go ahead and put an end to this. There is a lot of confusion about this situation and for good reason. Season 5 records are a mess.

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Two years ago, during Season 7, I added a channel on the NANWL TeamSpeak server to track all previous winners; there was an ugly gap where all seasons had a clear winner, but Season 5 did not. I spent actual days trying to figure out who the true winner was and even Cheeseypants and Windflower couldn't remember. The score keeping site for Season 5 is here: http://bracketcloud.com/tournament/37421. With Cheesey and Windflower being uncertain, I used this bracket to determine that the 91st were the winners; it shows that they won the most rounds. Therefore, on that bracket it officially shows that the 91st is in 1st place. Keep in mind, there are no specifics of what happened in either of the Season 5 threads so I had never heard of any controversy. There is a distinct absence of anything to suggest the title was still in dispute.

In March 2017, PapaBean, who was an admin on the server, decided to change the channel to reflect a tie between the 91st and the 63e. Lawbringer noticed this and requested it be changed back to just the 91st. So once again, I looked into it. What I had found was that everything about the controversy up to that point was and still is rumor, hearsay and anecdotal accounts. Nothing is substantiated. At some point that week, PapaBean messaged me on Steam about Lawbringer's request. He told me that during Season 6, he did not declare a winner for Season 5 because it was not his job to. I agree, it wasn't. I am thoroughly confused as to why PapaBean and NickCole have now turned to the Season 9 mods and demanded they answer for the lack of action by the Season 5 mods.
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The Season 9 staff were directly involved in the Season 8 incident with Oatmeal and MATT has more recently implicated himself openly as an associate of Oatmeal's wrongdoings. The Season 9 staff have the ability and the obligation to uphold their duty of being fair and accountable to all participants. That is what they have done. Allowing MATT to play based on some old controversy not being resolved makes no sense and it's laughable that some people in this thread have openly supported such broken logic.

MATT & Oatmeal banned is fair but with similar evidence from different seasons should warrant 63e to get the league win instead of 91st. Until NWL does what is right & give 63e the win this will never settle.

There is no similar evidence. With regard to the final Season 5 match, nobody has produced anything concrete. Bill claiming that he played in the battle years later is not evidence. People giving their own possibly distorted account is not evidence. Oatmeal and MATT have admitted directly to me and Risk, respectively, that they interfered with a Season 8 match and sought to frame Irish, which they failed to do.

It is not the place for people who were not involved in Season 5 to muddy their hands in a situation that is riddled with inconsistencies. As I told PapaBean two years ago, it's unlikely that the evidence required to make the change will ever surface. By the nature of time and the inaction directly following Season 5, this was settled long ago. Furthermore, it in no way affects the ability for NANWL to continue. It has thrived for 3 seasons thereafter. It's now for you to decide whether or not you can accept that and continue to participate in NANWL as you have up until this point.

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Off Topic / Re: Game of Thrones thread (USE SPOILERS)
« on: April 22, 2019, 06:47:14 am »
I don't understand this whole big battle thing. If I were the White Walkers, I'd just keep doing business as usual on a larger scale. Bypass Winterfell and instead guerrilla the fuck out of Westeros while Jono and crew are waiting it out in their castle. Do this shit up like a zombie plague. Hard for dragons and dragon glass to kill your undead troops if they don't know where they are and aren't grouped up. Send most out in raiding groups and take Westeros in 2 weeks with nobody expecting it in the south. Only people left are those Winterfell fuckers and there's a nice zombie dragon waiting to fuck them all up. Bran can't do shit.

Oh yeah, forgot that there wouldn't be good drama to watch, then :(

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So Zzehth said he was to above everyone here to post this but lokey its cause he forgot his log in info.

Seems legit.



i would also like to say i was under the influence during this whole occasion and that clouded my judgement, my apologies to the north american napoleonic wars league for burdening you with my immaturity. (6 months sober now btw)

You must have also sustained brain damage from all that drinking if you think they will fall for this.


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The Mess Hall / Re: How famous is the person above you? Mk. 2
« on: April 13, 2019, 03:45:47 am »
Cancer levels of chambering, sucking the life out of his opponents.

Brilliant.

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The Mess Hall / Re: NA All-Time Duelists/Groupfighters
« on: January 16, 2019, 06:18:11 am »
Small correction:

Leagues/Tournaments

NANWL: Zzehth/Jackie/Karth/Cheeseypants/Windflower/Amit/AsianP Risk & Russianfury

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News & Announcements / Re: Developer Blog 35 - Battle Cry of Freedom Part 6
« on: December 09, 2018, 11:26:02 pm »
That original piece for the game is very beautiful.

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Conducting my yearly check-in.

What is up? Where's POTUS and Hall?

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