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Title: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Von Bergen on September 25, 2018, 04:46:06 pm


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Welcome to the DNWC 2018/2019. We, the 2Lr and the Nr.12 deciced to work together to give a new kind of competition to the community. The DNCW is a tournament to give NW Players from all different nationalities together into competition which nation has the best two infantry regiments. Each Nation will form a team out of the two best line infantry regiments of its people. The two Regimental Leaders are equal Team Captains. These nation will then fight for the crown, as only one nation can have the best Infantry-Duo!

The idea is to form a team for each and every single nation in the NW community. Within every nation it lies in the competence of the national regiments to compete which two regiments will be the national representatives in the tournament. If two Regiments stand undisputed in theire national community they can assign theire nation and themself for the tournament. If they still have any challengers they first need to fight on a national level. As when planing this tournament, we realized that most of the english speaking regiments are of international kind not of british kind, there will be two teams representing the international community. If two regiments want to play as "team international" they first have to defeat any other candidate in this field. There will be a liga trial for that. If there are two purely "british" regiments, they can form team GB as well.

The tournament will be held under common NWL Rules and in a classical two stage system. There will be a Group Stage and a primary final stage, as well as a secondary final stage. As this is a community project we also need the help of the community. Any help is welcomed, even if your regiment do not participates in the tournament. As usual we will also need a certain ammount of referees and also a few servers. If you can grant any help regarding this please mention it in your application. Also every attending regiment is required to grant at least two referees.

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Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Von Bergen on September 25, 2018, 04:50:03 pm
On Team-Building Problems
As said. We are totally aware that this tournament and the way it is planed to be is one the one hand unusual and on the other hand more difficult to organize than usual. It is meant as a Community project so the help and the will of the community is needed. I aint gonna present you 10 Nation teams with two homogen regiments within. It lies within the national level of the different sub-communitys to get a team together. And even if you are not able to participate because for Example Sweden has not enough stable regiments for this there are a lot of different ways:

-> As said you are and will be allowed to form alliances. For Example Team "Scandinavia" consisting of a swedish and a danish regiment. Or Team "Tschechoslovakia", "Balkan", "Benelux" etc.
-> you dont actually have to be an existing regiment to applicate as one for this tournament. If for example the brave NW players of Greece decide to form a "Regiment"/Team (or two of those) for this tournament only, they will not be stopped.
-> Finally if the regiments of your national community are not big enough or anything, you can also form a alliance within your national community. For Example one of the german lines consisting of Nr.12 and the other line 2Lr+1Rhein.

This tournament is not a perfect concept. It has never been done in a way like this. It wont work without the community gathering together and trying to make it happen.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Von Bergen on September 25, 2018, 04:50:10 pm
Reserved
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Herishey on September 25, 2018, 05:12:13 pm
So basically a 2v2 EIC but with nation based regiments? So e.g. Austria could have K-KA and Nr.2 as an example.

Or is it more player nations?
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Ambiguous on September 25, 2018, 05:12:37 pm
So basically a 2v2 EIC but with nation based regiments? So e.g. Austria could have K-KA and Nr.2 as an example.
The Nr2 are Rheinbund.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Herishey on September 25, 2018, 05:13:31 pm
So basically a 2v2 EIC but with nation based regiments? So e.g. Austria could have K-KA and Nr.2 as an example.
The Nr2 are Rheinbund.
I thought the Nr.2 were Hungarian? :o
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Ambiguous on September 25, 2018, 05:14:28 pm
So basically a 2v2 EIC but with nation based regiments? So e.g. Austria could have K-KA and Nr.2 as an example.
The Nr2 are Rheinbund.
I thought the Nr.2 were Hungarian? :o
The Nr2 unit is actually in game for Rheinbund, second one from the top.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: John Price on September 25, 2018, 05:14:35 pm
So basically a 2v2 EIC but with nation based regiments? So e.g. Austria could have K-KA and Nr.2 as an example.
No, you pick your teams based on country? So its NWWC but in 2v2's?

This explanation on the main post is confusing me...

Also for a while I discussed the idea of a 2v2 EIC with reg leaders but its just too much work so hopefully you do it right.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Ambiguous on September 25, 2018, 05:16:38 pm
This explanation on the main post is confusing me...
same
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Herishey on September 25, 2018, 05:17:27 pm
So basically a 2v2 EIC but with nation based regiments? So e.g. Austria could have K-KA and Nr.2 as an example.
No, you pick your teams based on country? So its NWWC but in 2v2's?

This explanation on the main post is confusing me...
I'm also confused where it's based on players nations e.g. a regiment of only French players or Russian players for example. Or if it's based on the regiments nation.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Ambiguous on September 25, 2018, 05:18:50 pm
So basically a 2v2 EIC but with nation based regiments? So e.g. Austria could have K-KA and Nr.2 as an example.
No, you pick your teams based on country? So its NWWC but in 2v2's?

This explanation on the main post is confusing me...
I'm also confused where it's based on players nations e.g. a regiment of only French players or Russian players for example. Or if it's based on the regiments nation.
Apparently if a majority of a regiment is from one country they can play for that country, but that excludes my regiment, 15th YR, K-KA, and 91st so I'm just generally confused.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Herishey on September 25, 2018, 05:21:19 pm
So basically a 2v2 EIC but with nation based regiments? So e.g. Austria could have K-KA and Nr.2 as an example.
No, you pick your teams based on country? So its NWWC but in 2v2's?

This explanation on the main post is confusing me...
I'm also confused where it's based on players nations e.g. a regiment of only French players or Russian players for example. Or if it's based on the regiments nation.
Apparently if a majority of a regiment is from one country they can play for that country, but that excludes my regiment, 15th YR, K-KA, and 91st so I'm just generally confused.
That would exclude a lot of regiments tbh. Even French regiments have plenty of Belgian players for example as well as some other nations. Or Russian regiments have plenty Ukrainian, etc.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: John Price on September 25, 2018, 05:23:03 pm
I don't like the idea of that system.

I could add like 30 people from Iceland and get them in my steam group just to give a majority but never play them.

Never done that before btw ::)
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Ambiguous on September 25, 2018, 05:23:25 pm
So basically a 2v2 EIC but with nation based regiments? So e.g. Austria could have K-KA and Nr.2 as an example.
No, you pick your teams based on country? So its NWWC but in 2v2's?

This explanation on the main post is confusing me...
I'm also confused where it's based on players nations e.g. a regiment of only French players or Russian players for example. Or if it's based on the regiments nation.
Apparently if a majority of a regiment is from one country they can play for that country, but that excludes my regiment, 15th YR, K-KA, and 91st so I'm just generally confused.
That would exclude a lot of regiments tbh. Even French regiments have plenty of Belgian players for example as well as some other nations. Or Russian regiments have plenty Ukrainian, etc.
Exactly, plus from what im gathering there will be an "International" team, I would have suggested making two or three international ones since there's plenty of decent International european regs around.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: ExoticFail on September 25, 2018, 05:23:35 pm
The idea was to make nationality based, for example Nr12 and 2Lr are german speaking clans, so ye its nwwc format but only Regiment wise. Its only an idea and lets see if it is doable
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: ~NickCole~ on September 25, 2018, 05:35:24 pm
You can do this for Germany, France, Turkey, Poland, Russia, and maybe the Netherlands but I'm not sure about other nations. It is a dope idea though!
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: ExoticFail on September 25, 2018, 05:36:40 pm
You can do this for Germany, France, Turkey, Poland, Russia, and maybe the Netherlands but I'm not sure about other nations. It is a dope idea though!

+ 2 international clans
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Herishey on September 25, 2018, 05:44:31 pm
It's a bit unfair though. NWWC is any player playing for their nation. Where as in this format the majority of English speaking regiments aren't limited to a single country. There has never been an English only regiment for example so it'd be quite unfair to only let two play.

Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Wursti on September 25, 2018, 05:45:24 pm
It's a bit unfair though. NWWC is any player playing for their nation. Where as in this format the majority of English speaking regiments aren't limited to a single country. There has never been an English only regiment for example so it'd be quite unfair to only let two play.

I dont think its the nation of the members but the name of the reg
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Darius. on September 25, 2018, 05:49:05 pm
You can do this for Germany, France, Turkey, Poland, Russia, and maybe the Netherlands but I'm not sure about other nations. It is a dope idea though!
If there would be only 1 national reg, im sure more nations could attend, just saying.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: ExoticFail on September 25, 2018, 05:49:08 pm
It's a bit unfair though. NWWC is any player playing for their nation. Where as in this format the majority of English speaking regiments aren't limited to a single country. There has never been an English only regiment for example so it'd be quite unfair to only let two play.

Well, I think over all, international clans have an advantage over "National" clans, just cus of the fact, they can get many skilled players out of every nation. Yes, we are aware that there are many international once, but if we let more then "1 team" play it would be kinda pointless to make it a nation cup theme...

Also, we wouldnt pick 2 internatinal clans, there would be like a qualifier.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Ambiguous on September 25, 2018, 05:49:33 pm
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Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Herishey on September 25, 2018, 05:51:49 pm
It's a bit unfair though. NWWC is any player playing for their nation. Where as in this format the majority of English speaking regiments aren't limited to a single country. There has never been an English only regiment for example so it'd be quite unfair to only let two play.

Well, I think over all, international clans have an advantage over "National" clans, just cus of the fact, they can get many skilled players out of every nation. Yes, we are aware that there are many international once, but if we let more then "1 team" play it would be kinda pointless to make it a nation cup theme...

Also, we wouldnt pick 2 internatinal clans, there would be like a qualifier.
Fair enough I guess, just seems a bit harsh to leave out so many regiments.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Von Bergen on September 25, 2018, 05:53:11 pm
It's a bit unfair though. NWWC is any player playing for their nation. Where as in this format the majority of English speaking regiments aren't limited to a single country. There has never been an English only regiment for example so it'd be quite unfair to only let two play.

Well, I think over all, international clans have an advantage over "National" clans, just cus of the fact, they can get many skilled players out of every nation. Yes, we are aware that there are many international once, but if we let more then "1 team" play it would be kinda pointless to make it a nation cup theme...

Also, we wouldnt pick 2 internatinal clans, there would be like a qualifier.
Exactly. The idea is to let natonality based regs compete. The international ones will have the International team("s" it is worth a guess to have more then one we will think about it.)
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: ExoticFail on September 25, 2018, 05:55:50 pm
It's a bit unfair though. NWWC is any player playing for their nation. Where as in this format the majority of English speaking regiments aren't limited to a single country. There has never been an English only regiment for example so it'd be quite unfair to only let two play.

Well, I think over all, international clans have an advantage over "National" clans, just cus of the fact, they can get many skilled players out of every nation. Yes, we are aware that there are many international once, but if we let more then "1 team" play it would be kinda pointless to make it a nation cup theme...

Also, we wouldnt pick 2 internatinal clans, there would be like a qualifier.
Exactly. The idea is to let natonality based regs compete. The international ones will have the International team("s" it is worth a guess to have more then one we will think about it.)

+add

If enough International Teams sign up, we will make a league out of the qualifier, to get the best 2v2 team(s) out of it. Knock out would be simply to unpresice

Update, we will allow 2 International Teams. (4 Regiments)
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Dokletian on September 25, 2018, 06:00:11 pm
Would have loved seeing something like this with cavalry + inf regs.

Anyways, good luck!
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Nero_ on September 25, 2018, 06:11:14 pm
Doubt there'll be a Dutch regiment other than the 1steIvN
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: AccursedGull on September 25, 2018, 06:14:06 pm
What is it now? Is it based on the nationality of the players in the regiment, for which country the reg plays for, or the nationality of the regiment itself (historical)?
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: ~Felix~ on September 25, 2018, 06:29:57 pm
Would have loved seeing something like this with cavalry + inf regs.

Anyways, good luck!
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Lightning. on September 25, 2018, 09:08:57 pm
Some players of a country could also join together for a team. Might be an option.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Jayke on September 25, 2018, 09:25:21 pm
Could just make it a 2v2 league :))))
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: AlekoTheGreek on September 25, 2018, 09:29:38 pm
Αnd here comes the obvious question:

Can small nations with only one active regiment form a Duo?
For example. A Greek and a Romanian Regiment?  (Example is definitely random and 100% not biased :P )
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Von Bergen on September 25, 2018, 09:35:50 pm
What is it now? Is it based on the nationality of the players in the regiment, for which country the reg plays for, or the nationality of the regiment itself (historical)?
The nationalty of the people.

Αnd here comes the obvious question:

Can small nations with only one active regiment form a Duo?
For example. A Greek and a Romanian Regiment?  (Example is definitely random and 100% not biased :P )
Yeah you definetly can! But both must be of homogen nationality regarding theire Players.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: yecgga on September 25, 2018, 11:06:11 pm
88th and 89th is ready to represent turkey
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: MarjioviçR on September 25, 2018, 11:07:27 pm
i just built one more turkish regiment to win tourney
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Steinmann on September 25, 2018, 11:31:50 pm
is there any swedish speaking regiments  ???
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: [2ndHess] lukasoh on September 25, 2018, 11:42:25 pm
is there any swedish speaking regiments  ???
Yes i know at least one, but i think they dont play 1vs1 matches
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Caps on September 26, 2018, 01:07:41 am
just make it nation based on ingame factions
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: MarxeiL on September 26, 2018, 01:17:25 am
just make it 1v1 national regimental cup, that's what i would like to play

2v2 is very hard to realise with such an activity right now. Plus even just a 2v2 cup (international) would win some team with two stacked regiments like K-KA and 15th YR as example (since 91st wouldn't play with K-KA), so there's no balance as well.

Just make it 1v1 NC Cup. And allow nations like Belgium, Ukraine, Ireland, Serbia, Bulgaria, Austria/Switzerland and others to merge with somebody. We can make 8-10 national regiments easily, NWL rules, group stage then playoffs, can be a great national cup though.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: General Shepherd on September 26, 2018, 11:16:20 am
Good, VonBergen is good project my brother. Let's do this. ;)
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Gi on September 26, 2018, 11:53:31 am
1v1 Nations cup, there simply aren't enough nationality based regiments.

Edit

You could also include some nationality regiments to boost numbers and allow for more people whom wouldn't get into their national teams to play.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: yecgga on September 26, 2018, 12:12:42 pm
This is simpşy going to be a turkey, poland, russia, germany and france only tournament.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Herishey on September 26, 2018, 12:17:41 pm
96y is Ukrainian not Russian!
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Ambiguous on September 26, 2018, 02:13:58 pm
96y is Ukrainian not Russian!
It's CIS, I'd say theres about 40 % of each. The last 20 % coming from other countries.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Von Bergen on September 27, 2018, 12:45:07 pm
As said. We are totally aware that this tournament and the way it is planed to be is one the one hand unusual and on the other hand more difficult to organize than usual. It is meant as a Community project so the help and the will of the community is needed. I aint gonna present you 10 Nation teams with two homogen regiments within. It lies within the national level of the different sub-communitys to get a team together. And even if you are not able to participate because for Example Sweden has not enough stable regiments for this there are a lot of different ways:

-> As said you are and will be allowed to form alliances. For Example Team "Scandinavia" consisting of a swedish and a danish regiment. Or Team "Tschechoslovakia", "Balkan", "Benelux" etc.
-> you dont actually have to be an existing regiment to applicate as one for this tournament. If for example the brave NW players of Greece decide to form a "Regiment"/Team (or two of those) for this tournament only, they will not be stopped.
-> Finally if the regiments of your national community are not big enough or anything, you can also form a alliance within your national community. For Example one of the german lines consisting of Nr.12 and the other line 2Lr+1Rhein.

This tournament is not a perfect concept. It has never been done in a way like this. It wont work without the community gathering together and trying to make it happen.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Gi on September 27, 2018, 01:15:18 pm
I don't see this realistically happening then, this idea is far too optimistic.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Skittykiller on September 27, 2018, 01:25:49 pm
Wouldnt it be better to use country,s as in where the regiment comes from? Like for example My reg Hanover and Nr2 from Dan can basicly create Rheinbund Country. As in this way we will also have more options for Country names, and more regiments would be able to play in my opinion. If u only use current country names u got alot less then u had in the 1800.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Von Bergen on September 27, 2018, 01:39:30 pm
Wouldnt it be better to use country,s as in where the regiment comes from? Like for example My reg Hanover and Nr2 from Dan can basicly create Rheinbund Country. As in this way we will also have more options for Country names, and more regiments would be able to play in my opinion. If u only use current country names u got alot less then u had in the 1800.
Then it will be just another Tournament for the big international Regs that have skill advantage because they can take players from all nationalities while nationality homogen regs will most likely loose.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Skittykiller on September 27, 2018, 01:44:57 pm
U are quite overthinking this. U say u wanna make this balanced but why is Nr12 and 2lr with eachother then, you 2 regs are definitly up there with skills for me this tournament is already won by you 2 without this is even started.
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Wursti on September 27, 2018, 03:20:20 pm
Wouldnt it be better to use country,s as in where the regiment comes from? Like for example My reg Hanover and Nr2 from Dan can basicly create Rheinbund Country. As in this way we will also have more options for Country names, and more regiments would be able to play in my opinion. If u only use current country names u got alot less then u had in the 1800.
Then it will be just another Tournament for the big international Regs that have skill advantage because they can take players from all nationalities while nationality homogen regs will most likely loose.

Its not like Nr12 takes players from all nationalities too XDD
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: Von Bergen on September 27, 2018, 03:32:18 pm
U are quite overthinking this. U say u wanna make this balanced but why is Nr12 and 2lr with eachother then, you 2 regs are definitly up there with skills for me this tournament is already won by you 2 without this is even started.
Nr.12 and 2Lr are both Regiments that consist (mostly) of german players. That is why we participate in this tournament (appart from that we want to set it up).
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: ExoticFail on September 27, 2018, 03:55:29 pm
Wouldnt it be better to use country,s as in where the regiment comes from? Like for example My reg Hanover and Nr2 from Dan can basicly create Rheinbund Country. As in this way we will also have more options for Country names, and more regiments would be able to play in my opinion. If u only use current country names u got alot less then u had in the 1800.
Then it will be just another Tournament for the big international Regs that have skill advantage because they can take players from all nationalities while nationality homogen regs will most likely loose.

Its not like Nr12 takes players from all nationalities too XDD


ye our 4 internationals definetly in it
Title: Re: DNWC - Duo Napoleonic World Cup
Post by: General Shepherd on September 27, 2018, 05:30:57 pm
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