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Title: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: kpetschulat on August 19, 2014, 08:34:53 pm

I feel like we should get our kicks off to the idea of farbs. Talk about them, share pictures, up to you.

Let's begin with this atrocity...

(https://i.imgur.com/Sv13xqL.jpg)

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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 19, 2014, 09:52:29 pm

mein gott.

also. 

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mein eyes have never burned so much before. It hurts. 


as good man named Hans Hitzig would say, #ZeroFucks

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Captain America on August 19, 2014, 10:01:59 pm

Quote from: DeoVindice61 on August 19, 2014, 09:52:29 pm

mein gott.

also. 

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(https://abload.de/img/img_0575oikfu.jpg)

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mein eyes have never burned so much before. It hurts. 


as good man named Hans Hitzig would say, #ZeroFucks

I'm telling!

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 19, 2014, 10:15:59 pm

telling it to who? Zeus the Farb Slayer? Pls do.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: kpetschulat on August 19, 2014, 10:20:39 pm

Quote from: DeoVindice61 on August 19, 2014, 09:52:29 pm

mein gott.

also. 

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(https://abload.de/img/img_0575oikfu.jpg)

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mein eyes have never burned so much before. It hurts. 


as good man named Hans Hitzig would say, #ZeroFucks

Hansel! He's in my unit...

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 19, 2014, 10:22:58 pm

i have him on fb, his post is the only thing i'd be cracking up at 2 am.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Nipplestockings on August 19, 2014, 10:42:51 pm

Quote from: kpetschulat on August 19, 2014, 08:34:53 pm

I feel like we should get our kicks off to the idea of farbs. Talk about them, share pictures, up to you.

Let's begin with this atrocity...

(https://i.imgur.com/Sv13xqL.jpg)

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Is that a fucking airsoft Kar98?

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Riddlez on August 19, 2014, 11:14:47 pm

Quote from: kpetschulat on August 19, 2014, 08:34:53 pm

I feel like we should get our kicks off to the idea of farbs. Talk about them, share pictures, up to you.

Let's begin with this atrocity...

(https://i.imgur.com/Sv13xqL.jpg)

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Holy shit! Even I can see something is wrong there.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: kpetschulat on August 19, 2014, 11:21:19 pm

It's a mismatch restored K98 from Mitchell's Mausers. The problem with that guy is the stupid of ribbons and awards and incorrect badges and patches that make nonsense to have on him.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Ililsa on August 19, 2014, 11:34:54 pm

Not naming names, but there's an entire group that drives me - and most of my group - mad.

Here's an example of why, and I'm gonna get hella mad here over something little.

(https://i.imgur.com/speE5RQ.jpg)

Ignoring the modern black (HGGGNGGH) leather glove, take a good look at where his finger is.

These guys do 11th through to 13th century stuff, fingering (dohoh) the blade is a technique developed in 15th century Italy in order to get more control over the blade when thrusting. The italians, being more sensible than the chap whose hand that is, stuck finger rings on their swords and generally added a blunt ricasso at the base of the blade (you can put your hands on a sharp blade just fine, though, as long as you don't try and jerk it off)

Arming sword with finger ring

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.albion-swords.com%2Fimages%2Fswords%2Falbion%2FnextGen%2Fcondottiere%2Fcondottiere-2.jpg&hash=ac1497171e1258061af3dbd60df25826daefea93)

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Black leather is something you only have in the medieval era if you're about as rich as the catholic church, and even then it's not the same black as modern stuff. One of our knights has his boots about as dark as you'd probably get them, but I ain't gonna go around taking photos of peoples shoes.

Don't even get me started on their 13th century gear.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: kpetschulat on August 19, 2014, 11:43:17 pm

That makes me sick. Sorry. I know all about sword techniques, and that looks terrible, modern black gloves make it even worse.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: joer5835 on August 19, 2014, 11:44:46 pm

Woow, I've seen those rings on swords before but I never know what they actually used them for.

But yeah, I can definitely see the problem there.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Reaper on August 19, 2014, 11:45:45 pm

Millander will be here soon no doubt

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Landrik on August 20, 2014, 12:03:52 am

Why post farby pictures of other reenactors when you can post farby pictures of yourself?

Swedish M40 trousers and that hat?

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Shouldn't even have to explain this abomination.

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No excuse.

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Splinter trousers? More like... dumb. >:c

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Loose belt, walkie-talkie, unbuttoned jacket, collar undone, and wearing terrible post-war winter boots.

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LANDRIK GUILTY AS CHARGED AS A FARB

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 20, 2014, 12:36:40 am

Landrik to the death row pls.   

Here is mine. My first Acw event

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dat cap with brass. mein gott.

Dat NCO belt. 

Dat PAKI Piece of shit uniform. Fuck pakis
 
belt 2 low 4 me

top button unbuttoned? nein nein nein

RIP Cook

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Olafson on August 20, 2014, 08:32:53 am

And yet, you look totally fine to 99% of the rest of the world. Only people actually looking into reenacting will see that. The general impression is right anyway, so I do not see a problem here.
Not everyone has the money to get the top quality stuff, or the time.
I really can not blame anyone for not wanting to invest 20.000 Euro into something they just recently started, or did not even start yet.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 20, 2014, 09:28:34 am

Sorry all i hear is the usual excuse used by farbs.   

I, in no way was putting this kit to impress my unit or the community. You aren't putting on great impression so you can impress the reenacting community. You are putting on a great impression for EVERYONE. Historical accuracy is a great way to pay respect to the veterans and educate the people the proper way.  It's something hard to grasp for napoleonic reenactors because veterans are long dead just as ACW and there's no photo evidence. But thanks to tintypes, we're able to remind ourselves of our authenticity root in ACW.  in WW2, it's hard to be farby (unless you are straight up high school drop out moron) because veterans are still alive and nobody wanna look stupid front of them.
 

Also, if you cant spend money and time, then this hobby is in no way, for you.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Olafson on August 20, 2014, 01:29:12 pm

No, what I am saying is that there is a difference between looking completely wrong, and looking slightly wrong. I can't blame anyone for doing something wrong by mistake, or taking cheaper materials that still look the same, unless you look really close.

About the money. I said, someone who just recently started. What is wrong with getting a full kit that maybe has some slight inaccuracies or is the wrong material? At least you have something to start with. You can exchange that stuff for higher quality later.
Low quality stuff, or medium quality stuff is good enough for the start. You have something to show, you dont look off, and you represent the thing pretty well. You can slowly start exchanging stuff later.

And well, I had that standpoint before I even started ordering this ACW stuff...

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Ililsa on August 20, 2014, 03:39:48 pm

Those Homer Simpson pants.

Stuff that I want to improve with my impression, though - Better tunic made with unfelted wool. Felted stuff isn't wrong, per se (they had felt hats) but it looks like crap compared to nicer wool. Wool hose, my current ones are made out of linen, which is passable but not correct, it also means I get a draught on my legs. I'd also like my hose to fit tighter and have feet so I'm not barefoot in my boots all the time. I need a nicer - and thinner - belt for my soft kit, which I'm probably gonna get from here http://www.philfraser.com/belts.htm

A hood would be cool, and make me look about 10x better on its own, then I just need nick-nacks to add to my kit, like rosary beads and a coinpurse, though I'd love to get a proper pilgrims bag as well.

Gawd, that's a long way to go. Guilty as farbed.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Riddlez on August 20, 2014, 04:53:02 pm

Quote from: Olafson on August 20, 2014, 01:29:12 pm

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No, what I am saying is that there is a difference between looking completely wrong, and looking slightly wrong. I can't blame anyone for doing something wrong by mistake, or taking cheaper materials that still look the same, unless you look really close.

About the money. I said, someone who just recently started. What is wrong with getting a full kit that maybe has some slight inaccuracies or is the wrong material? At least you have something to start with. You can exchange that stuff for higher quality later.
Low quality stuff, or medium quality stuff is good enough for the start. You have something to show, you dont look off, and you represent the thing pretty well. You can slowly start exchanging stuff later.

And well, I had that standpoint before I even started ordering this ACW stuff...

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Agreed here, what I understood from here and elsewhere, is that the Re-enactment community seems to expect you are 100% from the beginning. I completely agree that if perhaps your stuff isn't custom and from modern material, but looks the same, that shouldn't be a problem at all. If it generally looks too modern, perhaps that would be an excuse to an under-taught beginner, or beginners in general, but I see it as something that should be upgraded.

Again, a complete kit from modern materials, which looks exactly the same, shouldn't be a problem. It's mostly more durable...?

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: AeroNinja on August 20, 2014, 04:53:37 pm

Facism, farbism. Do they also have Fartism now?

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Duuring on August 20, 2014, 06:27:34 pm

(Some) Re-enactors expect 100% authenticity from the start for the simple reason that people tend to get stuck in their 'temporarily' solutions.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: munky-wunky on August 20, 2014, 06:42:14 pm

but if you know your buying bad shit but you know its bad then what the fuck are you doing reenacting. May as well just get for a fucking costume party .  Simple as that.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 20, 2014, 06:45:45 pm

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude, a reenactor who expect recruits to have 100% authentic kit on their first event is a moron.


You know the events will always be there, so why rush it? Be patient and get yourself quality kit. I had to get my own uniform and leathers for my first ww2 event, they provided me rifles and boots. But I missed one event because i didnt have my kit ready to "show up".  I have a authentic marine kit right now but they wont let me show unless I have several items and a working M1 Garand. 


Honestly why all new guys are rushing into this. Reenactment will always be there no matter what. Olaf, yeah there is a slightly wrong kit and completely wrong kit.  Let me tell you what your kit is. Completely wrong.

Your paki leather wont last a few month. It's gonna fall apart on you before any quality leathers can. Your pak uniform going to make you look like straight outta party city (cheesy costume store in america). You're going to look like bunch of idiots like that Douane group in napoleonic. You are the douane of ACW.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Olafson on August 20, 2014, 08:31:41 pm

I could buy a complete kit if I wanted to, i have to much money anyway, but I really do not feel like spending so much money on something that I am not doing that often. Napoleonic is osmething else, I am trying to get the best stuff only there. But for ACW... No, not atm. I said it before, if I am going to the US, I will probably order a full kit at Lederarsenal first, but for now this is good enough. For depot gear anyway. Everything I will buy later will just be replacing my current gear and my current gear will be available for the depot.


In other news, I am already replacing the kit slowly. I bought a new, proper, Cap box. Found it for cheap on EGUN.de

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Riddlez on August 20, 2014, 11:00:42 pm

Quote from: DeoVindice61 on August 20, 2014, 06:45:45 pm

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude, a reenactor who expect recruits to have 100% authentic kit on their first event is a moron.


You know the events will always be there, so why rush it? Be patient and get yourself quality kit. I had to get my own uniform and leathers for my first ww2 event, they provided me rifles and boots. But I missed one event because i didnt have my kit ready to "show up".  I have a authentic marine kit right now but they wont let me show unless I have several items and a working M1 Garand. 


Honestly why all new guys are rushing into this. Reenactment will always be there no matter what. Olaf, yeah there is a slightly wrong kit and completely wrong kit.  Let me tell you what your kit is. Completely wrong.

Your paki leather wont last a few month. It's gonna fall apart on you before any quality leathers can. Your pak uniform going to make you look like straight outta party city (cheesy costume store in america). You're going to look like bunch of idiots like that Douane group in napoleonic. You are the douane of ACW.

So what you're sayng is that the quality stuff really is the stuff which is authentic?
Then I would withdraw everything I said before.

And I agree you, one should build it, but I thought having a close resemblance to start with wouldn't hurt.

But y'all gotta agree it is kinda elitetist to expect such standards  that quickly

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr. Kochi on August 20, 2014, 11:19:56 pm

Allow me to show you what I have to deal with in this crappy 3rd world I live in. Note there is no better quality than this. What I have was made by the ONLY people here that make reenactment stuff.

You people will hate me.

What people see:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/q81/s960x960/1980370_10201929214987029_467242945838729364_o.jpg)

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What it actually is:

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19421115/boludeces/killmenowpls.png)

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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 20, 2014, 11:20:34 pm

Sure everyone can get cheap uniform and then slowly replace over time with quality.  Popular path for most reenactors, but one thing they dont realize until they do it is the money is being wasted more than buying quality kit directly.  Think about it, 150 bucks for a shitty jacket and 250 for handsewn. You go with shitty one for now, and buy the better one later. You spend  about $400 instead of $250.  Sure you could make money by selling your shitty one but no one will buy used shitty one for 150. You gotta sell it for 100 or less.  Therefore you loose profit on your first purchase.   


p.s. it is not elitism to expect such standard that quickly. Its common sense. Reenacting mean you are portraying a time back then 100%.  Now on other hand, farb elitism, the one who refuse to listen or upgrade. Farb Elitism are the worst than authentic elitism.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr T on August 20, 2014, 11:25:47 pm

Quote from: Mr. Kochi on August 20, 2014, 11:19:56 pm

Allow me to show you what I have to deal with in this crappy 3rd world I live in. Note there is no better quality than this. What I have was made by the ONLY people here that make reenactment stuff.

You people will hate me.

What people see:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/q81/s960x960/1980370_10201929214987029_467242945838729364_o.jpg)

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What it actually is:

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19421115/boludeces/killmenowpls.png)

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I cri evrytim :'(

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Olafson on August 21, 2014, 12:31:50 am

Quote from: DeoVindice61 on August 20, 2014, 11:20:34 pm

Sure everyone can get cheap uniform and then slowly replace over time with quality.  Popular path for most reenactors, but one thing they dont realize until they do it is the money is being wasted more than buying quality kit directly.  Think about it, 150 bucks for a shitty jacket and 250 for handsewn. You go with shitty one for now, and buy the better one later. You spend  about $400 instead of $250.  Sure you could make money by selling your shitty one but no one will buy used shitty one for 150. You gotta sell it for 100 or less.  Therefore you loose profit on your first purchase.   


p.s. it is not elitism to expect such standard that quickly. Its common sense. Reenacting mean you are portraying a time back then 100%.  Now on other hand, farb elitism, the one who refuse to listen or upgrade. Farb Elitism are the worst than authentic elitism.

Yes, ofc. That makes sense. But as I said the kit would have a future use, you can use it as depot kit for people who are new or have no money. As I said, I have more money than I need, so for me it is just a choice that I took because I wanted to take it. ACW is not my first priority. I will replace the kit slowly, making more and more stuff available for depot.

In that sense I am a Farb, but I know that I am, and I am currently, on purpose. 

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Millander on August 21, 2014, 04:36:07 am

I suppose this is one of those opinions you should keep to yourself but since it's on topic.

My biggest gripe is no mater how museum quality your uniform looks what makes your impression is if you look like a soldier of the period. Of coarse this is a pretty unrealistic and impossible for some to do but if your old or over weight no matter how much time you put into your uniform you simple do not look like somebody of the period which I think is more important than how you wear your gear or it's construction.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Nipplestockings on August 21, 2014, 05:06:32 am

Quote from: Millander on August 21, 2014, 04:36:07 am

I suppose this is one of those opinions you should keep to yourself but since it's on topic.

My biggest gripe is no mater how museum quality your uniform looks what makes your impression is if you look like a soldier of the period. Of coarse this is a pretty unrealistic and impossible for some to do but if your old or over weight no matter how much time you put into your uniform you simple do not look like somebody of the period which I think is more important than how you wear your gear or it's construction.

This so much. One of the main things originally deterring me from reenactment was that half the people looked like they would keel over and have a heart attack if they so much marched at anything more than a walking pace. Understandably it's an unrealistic goal to have everyone in tip top shape for their impressions, but it's pretty damn annoying seeing people looking like that. Also it's fine to me if only a couple people in the group are super old or overweight, but if close to the entire unit looks like that it just ruins it.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 21, 2014, 07:16:24 am

You seems forget that ACW reenacting thrives in America.  If all event stuck with period weights. I'm sure like 90% of reenactors would drop out. 

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Olafson on August 21, 2014, 12:05:45 pm

To get into the army back in the day, did they have some kind of special ability test or something? Wouldnt it have been possible that people that are overweight actually took part in it, but obviously lost weight the longer they stayed? Not that it is very common to be overweight back in the day, but you know, just wondering. There must have been some overweight people.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Landrik on August 21, 2014, 01:00:55 pm

Quote from: Millander on August 21, 2014, 04:36:07 am

I suppose this is one of those opinions you should keep to yourself but since it's on topic.

My biggest gripe is no mater how museum quality your uniform looks what makes your impression is if you look like a soldier of the period. Of coarse this is a pretty unrealistic and impossible for some to do but if your old or over weight no matter how much time you put into your uniform you simple do not look like somebody of the period which I think is more important than how you wear your gear or it's construction.

Actually, I was having a discussion about this with my father the other day. You could be a lard-ass with amazing paperwork and a Grade A first person impression and know the language you're using very well conversationally and have the finest dirty wool money can buy... but to anyone else you don't look like the soldier you're trying to portray. You're a fatbody in a uniform and you look hilarious when you sit down to take your hit or take a knee instead of going to prone because you may not be able to pick yourself up again.

One of these days I'm going to get too old to realistically portray a regular soldier of the time period and I'll have to pick up another duty - Volksturm for example. Something I see too often are guys who go, "Yeah, I'm too old to be in the line anymore, so I'll become an officer." and it fucks everything up with top-heavy units. It's ridiculous seeing a full Battalion command staff and then 25 guys in the line. I could go on and on about why ACW isn't as fun as it used to be and is dying. Also, why WWI and WWII is booming.

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In regards to buying junk at first and then slowly replacing it - well, there's merit and detriment to that. Sure you can get all the gear you need right away, but you're buying absolute crap that will fall apart on you and your impression will look like shit. You don't dress up to look at yourself all day or you'd have to carry a large mirror with you everywhere you went. You look good for everyone else around you. People notice good impressions. It makes them go, "Damn, that guy looks great." and it inspires them to perform better.

For example, my father and I running through the woods with our combat impression being very nearly 1:1 with how they did it back then whipped all the other units in our area into shape and its starting to have a domino effect. Leading by example is very real and also very fun. Who doesn't like getting complimented on their historical costume and looking the part?

Back on the main topic, is that if plenty of people go the easy way and buy shit at first, that's a lot of shit being bought. That's why you'll go down to the Sutlers and there's Paki uniforms and cheap leathers and tin fucking EVERYWHERE. It's because there's a market for it and it drowns out the sales of people who sell more quality items that are just a little bit more expensive. This isn't unique to ACW either. It's honestly something to think about when you're bringing in someone who doesn't know jack shit about reenacting and is essentially trusting you with his purchases.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr. Kochi on August 21, 2014, 10:15:22 pm

You chaps at least have the resources to get historically accurate uniforms and equipment, but outside 1st world we have very big problems with both materials and experienced sutlers that know what they're doing. I, for instance, can't afford buying stuff from Europe or the US and bringing it down here to Argieland. Not only the price is unaffordable, but the shipping costs and customs tax outright get them out of consideration.

All I (and the other Argentinian reenactment groups) have left are, as far as I know, two or three costume designers that double as uniform tailors, a few shoemakers that make us cartridge boxes and leather straps, and three gunsmiths in the entire country that actually know how flintlocks work. And out of which, two are elitist arseholes that hate reenactors. Nobody knows how to make shakos, or extra gear such as cooking and camp equipment.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Riddlez on August 21, 2014, 10:46:39 pm

Quote from: Mr. Kochi on August 21, 2014, 10:15:22 pm

You chaps at least have the resources to get historically accurate uniforms and equipment, but outside 1st world we have very big problems with both materials and experienced sutlers that know what they're doing. I, for instance, can't afford buying stuff from Europe or the US and bringing it down here to Argieland. Not only the price is unaffordable, but the shipping costs and customs tax outright get them out of consideration.

All I (and the other Argentinian reenactment groups) have left are, as far as I know, two or three costume designers that double as uniform tailors, a few shoemakers that make us cartridge boxes and leather straps, and three gunsmiths in the entire country that actually know how flintlocks work. And out of which, two are elitist arseholes that hate reenactors. Nobody knows how to make shakos, or extra gear such as cooking and camp equipment.

THen one knows what business to start up. Seruosly, if the demand is that high, you could make a lot of money, if you knew how to make the stuff, true enough.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr. Kochi on August 21, 2014, 11:50:38 pm

Quote from: Riddlez on August 21, 2014, 10:46:39 pm

THen one knows what business to start up. Seruosly, if the demand is that high, you could make a lot of money, if you knew how to make the stuff, true enough.

The demand isn't really high. Take into account there are less than 100 reenactors in the whole country, and reenactment is prohibited by law in most of south america (well, not reenactment itself, but carrying around guns and shooting blanks in fancy clothes). The problem is, these six or seven guys that make all the reenactment stuff kinda have an oligopoly going on, their quality tends to be overall crappy and the prices, although nowhere near as expensive as importing the stuff, is quite high for a normal mid class person.

For instance, there is only one guy I know that makes briquets in this country. He charged me 1100 pesos for it, and this is what I got:

(https://scontent-b-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/528195_592840744116745_590179076_n.jpg)

It weights a fuckton, the handle's loose from the rest of the blade, making it dance around, the shape is wrong and don't get me started on the scabbard. It tends to get stuck in there, and sometimes it wont come out.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Vincenzo on August 21, 2014, 11:56:01 pm

1100 Argentine Peso equals
98.865 Euro

so you paid like 100 euro for that crap. in europe you can get for that money a proper replica... maybe even less.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: joer5835 on August 21, 2014, 11:59:29 pm

pretty sure you can get a really decent sabre briquet over here for a 100 euros

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: EdwardC on August 22, 2014, 01:16:35 am

What's a good name for this one?

(https://i.imgur.com/AW5ccN4.jpg)

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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Completenoob on August 22, 2014, 02:05:08 am

Quote from: Millander on August 21, 2014, 04:36:07 am

I suppose this is one of those opinions you should keep to yourself but since it's on topic.

My biggest gripe is no mater how museum quality your uniform looks what makes your impression is if you look like a soldier of the period. Of coarse this is a pretty unrealistic and impossible for some to do but if your old or over weight no matter how much time you put into your uniform you simple do not look like somebody of the period which I think is more important than how you wear your gear or it's construction.

I am personally fairly lenient to age or body shape\type as long as they are fit enough to survive day of proper re-enacting, as ambiguous and bit rare such cases are. Case in point is friend of mine who looks like he got mild beer gut and flabby neck, but he can low crawl in full gear + flak jacket (real one with plates that is, not just some replica or watered-down display) just fine alongside running and other physical activities. He may not look like capable of re-enacting at first glance, but he sure can pull off the part just fine.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 22, 2014, 02:18:45 am

Flak vest?  Your bud reenact vietnam?

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Olafson on August 22, 2014, 08:13:19 am

You can be fat, but still have well trained muscles. It is not like that is not possible. But the thing is, that the rations etc. were so bad back then that there just was no way to get fat.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Ililsa on August 22, 2014, 09:18:57 am

Quote from: Mr. Kochi on August 21, 2014, 11:50:38 pm

It weights a fuckton, the handle's loose from the rest of the blade, making it dance around, the shape is wrong and don't get me started on the scabbard. It tends to get stuck in there, and sometimes it wont come out.

Sounds like Cold Steel quality (and price, for the matter)

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Nipplestockings on August 22, 2014, 11:18:26 am

Quote from: Ililsa on August 22, 2014, 09:18:57 am

Quote from: Mr. Kochi on August 21, 2014, 11:50:38 pm

It weights a fuckton, the handle's loose from the rest of the blade, making it dance around, the shape is wrong and don't get me started on the scabbard. It tends to get stuck in there, and sometimes it wont come out.

Sounds like Cold Steel quality (and price, for the matter)

Haha, I've heard a lot of mixed stuff about Cold Steel. Do you happen to watch Lindybeige, Skallagrim or Scholagladatoria on youtube? They have a bunch of content about that stuff.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Ililsa on August 22, 2014, 11:23:43 am

I watch Lindy and Matt pretty regularly, occasionally I drop into Skalla's channel to see what he's done, but he does way too many cutting videos which I don't have much interest in for me to sub.

Matt Easton's great though, especially as I'm trying to self-learn some Fiore dei Liberi in addition to the showfighting style I use for re-enactment.

Edit: I'll add that Skallagrim's cutting videos are probably some of the best on youtube, as opposed to the amazing swordsmen who murder armies of watermelons and glass bottles with their mythical blades. But cutting tests and knives still aren't my thing.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Nipplestockings on August 22, 2014, 11:48:51 am

Yeah, Skall's probably the most hit or miss of the three, but I like him for entertainment value if nothing else. Lindy is just a charming guy and he has a lot of talent outside of weapons stuff in animation and he's very knowledgeable in archaeology which is cool. Some of his older political rant videos are pretty stupid though. And finally Schola is by far the most informative of the three but his videos can be sort of dull if you don't know what you're looking for. He's a great guy. I actually visted the Wallace Collection in London because of a recommendation be made in one of his videos, which was pretty damn impressive.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Ililsa on August 22, 2014, 11:55:14 am

Matt Easton also has a background in archaeology, or at least training in it. I think he's mentioned a few dig anecdotes in his videos, but Lindy's great for on-site stuff because of the travelling he does. His Troy/Hisarlik videos are some of my favourites.

A guy from my group actually has an offscreen appearance in one of Lindy's videos. He provided the crossbow Lindy used as an example in the videos about them.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Nipplestockings on August 22, 2014, 12:01:29 pm

Hmm that's interesting. It turns out I could have actually had a chance to meet Lindy if I wanted to a couple months ago. He was staying in New York City about 30 minutes from my house and I could have just hopped on the train and joined him dancing in Central Park. A shame I didn't know about it until after he left though ;_;

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Completenoob on August 22, 2014, 12:57:10 pm

Quote from: DeoVindice61 on August 22, 2014, 02:18:45 am

Flak vest?  Your bud reenact vietnam?

He has several impressions, including Vietnam, couple of (DDR) NVA and Soviet 1980s Afganistan. Next one he's planned is probably WW2 impression though he's still not sure of it.

Quote from: Olafson on August 22, 2014, 08:13:19 am

You can be fat, but still have well trained muscles. It is not like that is not possible. But the thing is, that the rations etc. were so bad back then that there just was no way to get fat.

Indeed, but for practical purposes since people these day are much better fed than back in the day etc which also results people being taller and hitting puberty much earlier - which for the sake of period correctness one could consider important - leaves only very few candidates to be period correct if you look it with a magnifying glass even if you generally speaking (not to mention evolving language etc) look like one, I tend to slip that as long as they are sufficiently fit and so-called borderline cases. It's a good start and ideal is to get rid of the extra weight and all that over time.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: joer5835 on August 22, 2014, 04:46:32 pm

Reenacting, the only place where I don't look so odd as a 5'7 guy.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 22, 2014, 05:43:29 pm

Quote from: Completenoob on August 22, 2014, 12:57:10 pm

Quote from: DeoVindice61 on August 22, 2014, 02:18:45 am

Flak vest?  Your bud reenact vietnam?

He has several impressions, including Vietnam, couple of (DDR) NVA and Soviet 1980s Afganistan. Next one he's planned is probably WW2 impression though he's still not sure of it.

DDR? Nam? Afghanka? jesus your bud is awesome as fuck.   

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Captain America on August 22, 2014, 06:23:38 pm

Tell him I want him. Right now. I'll have his babies

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Barnesy on August 28, 2014, 11:16:47 am

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10645318_1464545583832418_173285266529222708_n.jpg)

I'll just leave this here ;)

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Riddlez on August 28, 2014, 03:43:15 pm

Even his horse is looking like he's about to facepalm.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Ililsa on August 28, 2014, 04:44:42 pm

That maille looks suspicious to me, but it could just be flat-ring at a distance I guess.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Marceaux on August 28, 2014, 05:09:29 pm

I would like to start re-enacting. But i am afraid as a newcomer with limited $$$ i wont be very welcome... :'(

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr T on August 28, 2014, 05:11:18 pm

Where are you based and what do you want to do?

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Marceaux on August 28, 2014, 05:12:54 pm

Quote from: Mr T on August 28, 2014, 05:11:18 pm

Where are you based and what do you want to do?

Louisville, KY.

ACW as i would imagine Napoleonic or revolutionary is non existent around here.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr T on August 28, 2014, 05:21:09 pm

Dunno about ACW and know limited stuff about Napoleonics over there, in the UK most Napoleonic groups have depot gear they lend to new members for events until they get their own, dun't know how it works in US. Better asking the US FSE reenactors about ACW.

For Napoleonics in US, theres these units:

http://www.brigade-napoleon.org/

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Olafson on August 28, 2014, 08:45:16 pm

Yeah good question, how do you guys do it in the US. Do you have depot gear that people can lend while they get their own stuff?

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 28, 2014, 09:23:17 pm

Depends units you join. Farby it get. More depot gears it has. Kentucky is in the heart of reenacting. Plenty of western front to do.

Nobody going to expect you to have a rifle. Maybe a uniform but gears and rifle are easy to loan.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr. Kochi on August 29, 2014, 03:04:36 am

Behold my new farby hat. I'll be attending waterloo wearing this.

Spoiler

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19421115/Warband%20Textures/Tercio/shakogungadin4.png)

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The plate will be replaced with a proper Voltigeur plate. That's just a preview from the Indian manufacturer,

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: kpetschulat on August 29, 2014, 04:41:15 am

Picture is not showing up.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr. Kochi on August 29, 2014, 07:08:48 am

Tis so crap it doesnt even want to be seen. Fixed.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: kpetschulat on August 29, 2014, 07:37:59 am

That shako looks weird for some reason. Might just be the angle of the picture...

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Nipplestockings on August 29, 2014, 07:43:10 am

Quote from: Barnesy on August 28, 2014, 11:16:47 am

Spoiler

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10645318_1464545583832418_173285266529222708_n.jpg)

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I'll just leave this here ;)

I... I... That's fucking hilarious though.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Olafson on August 29, 2014, 12:46:29 pm

Shako looks alright to me?

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Duuring on August 29, 2014, 02:49:49 pm

I don't see why you would replace the shakoplate. If anything you should take off the yellow braid which was not worn in 1815.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: EdwardC on September 02, 2014, 06:49:51 am

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p180x540/10565182_714780245225858_9075598990361315545_n.jpg?oh=05d4c921d821c086b8f55efb89a8bb12&oe=547D5846&__gda__=1417777659_bb853efb79d89df5432499c8e4e009cb)

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on September 02, 2014, 08:04:21 am

You found Millander! Huehuehue

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Olafson on September 02, 2014, 09:30:40 am

What regiment is this? Is it one of the New York Scottish regiments? And Whats wrong?

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on September 02, 2014, 05:11:54 pm

they never wore kilts in battle and the scottish tams lasted very shortly, it was not too long to see them in standard federal uniform by late '61.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Olafson on September 02, 2014, 08:56:51 pm

I see.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: kpetschulat on September 02, 2014, 09:41:24 pm

That jew-fro dudeski in the middle is wearing pre-early war parade uniform of the 69th New York "Camerons." In no way was any of that uniform, except maybe the cap (as you see on the guy farthest left) was worn in a battle.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on September 02, 2014, 11:55:04 pm

another thing to note, that corporal is carrying holster.  Pistols were quickly discarded in 1861 because "too heavy".   Beside i think the rank is too low to have a pistol.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Olafson on September 03, 2014, 04:12:34 am

Wait, corporals had pistols and a rifle before 1861? That sounds extremely useless...

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on September 03, 2014, 04:26:48 am

Quote from: Olafson the Legend on September 03, 2014, 04:12:34 am

Wait, corporals had pistols and a rifle before 1861? That sounds extremely useless...

They never were issued a pistol. You use your own money to buy one. Later they will note that their musket is just fine as it is and pistol being another weight of burden during the march. They mostly discarded or sold it off.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: joer5835 on September 03, 2014, 05:13:02 pm

My Sgt carries two flintlock pistols next to his charleville musket, I have no idea if it's accurate but it sure attracts some looks.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Vincenzo on September 03, 2014, 06:19:10 pm

It probably is not.. then again their marines, they have a bit of leeway in these things maybe?

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: joer5835 on September 03, 2014, 06:26:18 pm

From what I've heard from our Boatswain, the regulation for navy men weren't very tight.

It has been said crewmembers barely knew how to march properly on land. I'd guess the marines were a little bit more strict and disciplined than the regular crew, but still not as much as the regular land army.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Olafson on September 03, 2014, 07:20:28 pm

Crewmembers obviously didnt know that kind of stuff, but Marines for sure did. I cant imagine that a Marine Sgt. can carry his own, personal firearms though. Then again, it could have been. Naval battles were way less strict and orderly as battles on land.

Crewmembers/sailors obviously had whatever weapon they got issued. That can include several pistols, blunderbuss, swords, sabres, knifes, pikes, and muskets. Often they even only had a wooden club. Sometimes even grenades.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Duuring on September 03, 2014, 09:41:58 pm

The Dutch (or rather, Batavian) navy was a bit of a mess, especially on the Marines and it became no better during the KH period where you had all these different kinds of marines, seasoldiers, ports-guards and so on. However, soldiers were always soldiers and usually weren't allowed to just freely take or purchase stuff. It was cracked down on hard.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Millander on September 04, 2014, 06:26:03 am

Whats wrong with this picture? Russians at Eylau 1807 in the 1994 film Le colonel Chabert.

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.szenajch.specjalista.info%2Fpictures%2Fcolonel_chabert%2F5.jpg&hash=7f2823d65313e17ac08209e33b6a27fca3c1871f)

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: kpetschulat on September 04, 2014, 06:49:48 am

I hope you're not trying to point out their shakos... The Russians actually used those Prussian style shakos before the 1812 transition to the Russian Kiver...

If that's not what you're pointing out, then please, enlighten me. ???

Edit: Just want to add, I came across this awesome article (http://www.napolun.com/mirror/napoleonistyka.atspace.com/Russian_infantry.htm#russianinfantry) about the uniforms of the Russian Infantry, Grenadiers, and Guards during the Napoleonic Wars... Check it out!

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Nipplestockings on September 04, 2014, 08:16:18 am

Quote

Edit: Just want to add, I came across this awesome article about the uniforms of the Russian Infantry, Grenadiers, and Guards during the Napoleonic Wars... Check it out!

Napolun is an amazing resource. They also have equally in depth articles for pretty much every other major power involved in the Napoleonic wars, plus descriptions of battles, campaigns, units and tactics. I've spent hours reading through everything they have on there. Great stuff.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Olafson on September 04, 2014, 09:29:47 am

What are those guys holding in their hands?

Looks like a WW1-WW2 style carbine with bayonet?

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr T on September 04, 2014, 10:30:35 am

Yeah they have modern guns and I think their "shakos" are too big? I think there were some Russian units with tall shakos but I thought most had the squat cap things

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Bluehawk on September 04, 2014, 12:25:00 pm

"Prussian style..." but adopted in 1803 while Prussia was still in bicornes.

Their shakos should not have metal scale chin-straps, cords or tassels (and the cords are poorly recreated there anyway), the pompons are of the wrong shape, colour and location, the "brush" above the pompon is missing, the brass plate on the front is for the Guard and from 1808 - they should have an orange and black cockade instead - and the soldiers have the wrong facings on their coats to even be in the Guard (straw-yellow collars and red straps should be the Azov Musketeers), the knapsacks should be cylindrical and hung on a single shoulder-strap, and the musicians shouldn't have swallows' nests on their greatcoats.

Fun fact: in regulations, the term "kiver" to refer to the infantry shako isn't used until 1808, before that it was called a "shapka", yet the only real difference to the leather and cloth cap itself, ignoring decorations, was vertical leather strips in a V-pattern over both ears that strengthened the cylinder. Before the shako though, "kiver" can be seen in reference to a hussar's Mirliton in the 18th century, a piece of headgear that had no vertical leather reinforcements. It's a dang myst'ry, I tell ya h'what.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: EdwardC on September 05, 2014, 01:04:18 am

Let's discuss: if anything is wrong in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlX1um_vTr0

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on September 05, 2014, 02:40:03 am

just a few equipment minorities and basically they're all mainstream grade. Nothing screams out of my eyes. The usual crap.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Vincenzo on September 05, 2014, 10:16:09 am

I noticed a lot of people with medals, sashes, and other fancy stuff... that doesn't look very accurate to me.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on September 05, 2014, 05:58:16 pm

Quote from: Vincenzo on September 05, 2014, 10:16:09 am

I noticed a lot of people with medals, sashes, and other fancy stuff... that doesn't look very accurate to me.

Its a dress parade, NCO and Officers can use sashes and white gloves.  I wear white gloves to memorial service and this parade was a memorial service.

Now those medals, could be some civil war awards, I know several guys who wear period accurate award. Its really hard to tell from the distance of the film, another thing we could consider is that event gave out award like pins like they did for 150th Gburg, they gave us medallion to mark us "registered" many would just pin it on your coat but many others will stuff it in the pocket as well.

So its hard to tell from the distance but it could be farby or accurate.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: EdwardC on September 14, 2014, 09:37:00 pm

I see, good points mate.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: munky-wunky on September 15, 2014, 08:36:06 pm

now... can you find me in that vid???

thats the challage.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on September 16, 2014, 02:07:13 am

Munk we already did ages ago. Duuring and I made fun of your retarded kepi. scram.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Duuring on September 16, 2014, 09:39:53 am

Quote from: DeoVindice61 on September 16, 2014, 02:07:13 am

Munk we already did ages ago. Duuring and I made fun of your retarded kepi. scram.

Good times.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Completenoob on September 17, 2014, 07:42:59 pm

Quote from: Millander on September 04, 2014, 06:26:03 am

Whats wrong with this picture? Russians at Eylau 1807 in the 1994 film Le colonel Chabert.

Care to elaborate? 404.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: EdwardC on September 18, 2014, 04:30:39 am

Quote from: DeoVindice61 on September 16, 2014, 02:07:13 am

Munk we already did ages ago. Duuring and I made fun of your retarded kepi. scram.

Time?

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Bluehawk on September 18, 2014, 06:53:15 am

Quote from: Completenoob on September 17, 2014, 07:42:59 pm

Quote from: Millander on September 04, 2014, 06:26:03 am

Whats wrong with this picture? Russians at Eylau 1807 in the 1994 film Le colonel Chabert.

Care to elaborate? 404.

The best I can do is recover a compressed thumbnail from Google's cache.

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSUPjU87Ga1ffN0M_FjnvmH_--CNFha3lHK10d8gi0LvLW6ztGN)

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 05, 2014, 06:03:28 pm

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/10720927_10203154230681337_1228991498_n.jpg?oh=3abeedc272aad9d6124bda21b96a89ae&oe=54332D03&__gda__=1412724626_891aa049fcdc2d44e507b7568be003cb)


Dude on right claims to be General Hood.   

More like General Farb.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: joer5835 on October 05, 2014, 06:08:39 pm

I don't know why, but to me that goatee looks like some fake movie thing.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 05, 2014, 06:24:27 pm

Quote from: joer5835 on October 05, 2014, 06:08:39 pm

I don't know why, but to me that goatee looks like some fake movie thing.

I think it is because he was sporting full white beard before this. 

Now i just noticed his facial hair is in no way, a replica of General Hood. Hood had a long full beard! Dammit this guy.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: joer5835 on October 05, 2014, 06:26:18 pm

Spoiler

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F6%2F62%2FLt._Gen._John_B._Hood.jpg&hash=c94b93023afcbd1731cd9fd8fcc93bd38657b042)

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Look at the two, they are a perfect match!

On a serious note though: i just read Hood died in 1879 in his late 40's. This farb guy must be 50 at least. GG

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 05, 2014, 06:35:22 pm

-shakes head- 

Lord have mercy, why did Curt field (general grant) have to bear with this guy. The amount of research Curt did, it's bit rude to show up like that next to him.  But hey the man got a good heart, good ol Curt.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Riddlez on October 05, 2014, 10:41:50 pm

He looks like he's tryong too be Russell Crowe.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Captain America on October 06, 2014, 08:30:25 pm

That Grant is pretty bloody good

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 09, 2014, 07:48:48 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-znRDXFWkU 

this video belongs right here.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Landrik on October 10, 2014, 12:13:28 pm

Damn sucka, that's a train wreck.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Olafson on October 24, 2014, 07:27:27 pm

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.schwarzepresse.de%2Fmedia%2Fk2%2Fitems%2Fcache%2F28075211d6824084961c071e8b76c06b_XL.jpg&hash=b140dada8aceaa66edacd40c0139ae79e2a1b602)

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr T on October 24, 2014, 07:35:15 pm

Eeeeew, looks like he's taken several shrapnel to the face and they couldn't get em out.

Seriously that's bad

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: joer5835 on October 24, 2014, 07:57:11 pm

And people seriously see this as beauty....to each his own I guess.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr. Kochi on October 24, 2014, 08:02:18 pm

Dear god. You know, I don't really mind piercings that much, but that's taking it to an extreme.

I fail to see how can some people do that to themselves.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Riddlez on October 24, 2014, 10:31:42 pm

Quote from: Olafson on October 24, 2014, 07:27:27 pm

Spoiler

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.schwarzepresse.de%2Fmedia%2Fk2%2Fitems%2Fcache%2F28075211d6824084961c071e8b76c06b_XL.jpg&hash=b140dada8aceaa66edacd40c0139ae79e2a1b602)

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An example of farbism? How fucked as a society have we become?
You say you don't think being fat is being a farb. You don't say being a woman is being a farb, because that is who you are.
So this is not being who you are? Shame on you, folks, all of you.

"Yes, but piercings are a choice!" Being fat is a choice as well, if you truly want to be that guy.
This is someone being himself. A re-enactor, with piercings. As a re-enactor, you're at least some sort of weird group, to the rest of our society. This man has taken this to the next level. What if everything he does, his entire uniform and his way of going about is 100% historically accurate? Would he still be a farb?

"Yes, but in the ACW/NW, people just weren't like that." People generally weren't fat as well. But people are now.


Let's not judge someone at who he is, but how he does instead?
This immediately stamping it as farbism is outright disgusting.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Vincenzo on October 24, 2014, 10:35:37 pm

You can take a piercing out for an event. you cant cut away your fat that easily.

Besides, it is just looking horrible, sorry. It is a form of farb..

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 24, 2014, 10:59:13 pm

Quote from: Riddlez on October 24, 2014, 10:31:42 pm

Quote from: Olafson on October 24, 2014, 07:27:27 pm

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An example of farbism? How fucked as a society have we become?
You say you don't think being fat is being a farb. You don't say being a woman is being a farb, because that is who you are.
So this is not being who you are? Shame on you, folks, all of you.

"Yes, but piercings are a choice!" Being fat is a choice as well, if you truly want to be that guy.
This is someone being himself. A re-enactor, with piercings. As a re-enactor, you're at least some sort of weird group, to the rest of our society. This man has taken this to the next level. What if everything he does, his entire uniform and his way of going about is 100% historically accurate? Would he still be a farb?

"Yes, but in the ACW/NW, people just weren't like that." People generally weren't fat as well. But people are now.


Let's not judge someone at who he is, but how he does instead?
This immediately stamping it as farbism is outright disgusting.

On top of the piercings he's got chains, feathers hanging form his earrings. He looks like a pirate. It actually looks like it's part of his impression, not just his personal style. In that sense he's very farby.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 24, 2014, 11:09:19 pm

Guys ignore riddlez, he's not a reenactor, he just doesn't understand reenacting at all.  ::)

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Riddlez on October 24, 2014, 11:14:39 pm

Quote from: DeoVindice61 on October 24, 2014, 11:09:19 pm

Guys ignore riddlez, he's not a reenactor, he just doesn't understand reenacting at all.  ::)

Do I seriously have to dig up about 20 comments posted by a number of people that you can just shut the fuck up with that bullshit?

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Olafson on October 24, 2014, 11:17:00 pm

My point was, that he can take this stuff off. This is something you can easily take off whenever you want. Why did he not do it for that event?

I don't have problems with people being overweight, or women in the line, but this is stupid. He could at least have taken off that necklace around his neck. And where the heck is his tie/cravatte/however you call it in english?

There is difference between being overweight or a female, or using clothing that isn't made out of 100% correct wool and this. This is something extremely obvious, and something that can be avoided extremely easily, without spending any additional money on anything. Just take that shit off.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 24, 2014, 11:19:45 pm

What is his impression? He looks like a member of the modern day Russian navy, heh.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Riddlez on October 24, 2014, 11:21:59 pm

Quote from: Nipplestockings on October 24, 2014, 11:19:45 pm

What is his impression? He looks like a member of the modern day Russian navy, heh.

Prussian, perhaps? That was my first though, to be honost.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr T on October 24, 2014, 11:22:52 pm

Prussian Landwehr

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Vincenzo on October 24, 2014, 11:24:05 pm

Quote from: Mr T on October 24, 2014, 11:22:52 pm

Prussian Landwehr

Def not..
 

Probably first world war.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 24, 2014, 11:33:08 pm

Quote from: Olafson on October 24, 2014, 11:17:00 pm

My point was, that he can take this stuff off. This is something you can easily take off whenever you want. Why did he not do it for that event?

I don't have problems with people being overweight, or women in the line, but this is stupid. He could at least have taken off that necklace around his neck. And where the heck is his tie/cravatte/however you call it in english?

There is difference between being overweight or a female, or using clothing that isn't made out of 100% correct wool and this. This is something extremely obvious, and something that can be avoided extremely easily, without spending any additional money on anything. Just take that shit off.

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This Ridlez, is common sense. Not that fucking hard and hardly worth defending over. I dont give a shit if you have to dig 20 comment back to justify your right to judge us despite spending none of your money on equipments and uniforms and driving all the way to find this asshat is going to be your commander.

Riddlez you are welcome to post here, its open for anyone but judging us when you actually never tried our "Shoe" is silly and ignorant.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Riddlez on October 25, 2014, 02:40:50 pm

Quote from: DeoVindice61 on October 24, 2014, 11:33:08 pm

Riddlez you are welcome to post here, its open for anyone but judging us when you actually never tried our "Shoe" is silly and ignorant.

Okay, so you say I can't judge Re-enactment, because i have never done it? Then you will not judge anything you haven't done either. Deal?

And this joker call me ignorant.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Duuring on October 25, 2014, 03:14:32 pm

Riddlez, 'that joker' is right saying that someone who has never done re-enactment, who has not spend the hours, the effort and the money in building an impression, who does not understand how quickly a reputation of a group, a period, or a certain impression is ruined, who does not understand the politics behind re-enactment, and most importantly, hasn't stand in the field with all that work only to see people who have not spent even a fraction of your effort, claiming to be re-enactors, claiming to be historical accurate just like you, and the public actually thinking that is so, should speak so sternly against people who actually did.

While I very much doubt this guy is actually a re-enactor, opposed to some sort of photoshoot, if he were, he would be terrible. Re-enactment is portraying history. It's trying replacing your lifestyle with that of a certain period, for a day or a weekend. You do so by wearing the uniform; you do so by eating their food; you do so by copying their daily schedule and their actions. While it's true that for many re-enactors it's mostly sticks to the uniforms and drill, if you can not even let go of your modern style, there's just no reason to re-enact.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Riddlez on October 25, 2014, 04:23:25 pm

One more wonderfully displaying the elitist culture of the re-enactment world: Someone who isn't one of it, does not know how it means to be.

You're really being over-the-top fucking arrogant right now.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Duuring on October 25, 2014, 04:37:59 pm

No, someone who defends someone who doesn't know what re-enactment is, doesn't know how it means to be.

Furthermore, this is the re-enactment section. Meant for re-enactors and those interested in re-enactment. Your only goal here seems to tell re-enactors how stupid they are, which can be considered instigating fights, and therefor, I'm using my moderation rights to forbid you from further posting here (Historical Reenactment). Ignoring this will result in your posts being removed and receiving a warning. You may start posting again here in December, as long as you actually have something to contribute. You may discuss this with my in PM or Steam, but not here.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Duuring on October 26, 2014, 12:20:07 am

I've removed all the posts. Don't start this up again. Continue with another picture.

Ethan, I'm sure you have a whoooole stack of pictures of farb. Show us.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 26, 2014, 12:25:42 am

I sure do!

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ACW in 1980, the legendary 4 button sack coat is...5 button coat? 

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lel off to Nuremburg y'all.

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Latest photo of Ukrainian Army around Donetsk.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Vincenzo on October 26, 2014, 12:46:25 am

Look! they got their hands on a prototype AK!

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: joer5835 on October 26, 2014, 12:59:23 am

first picture, guy on the left, hipster spotted.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: SherlockCat on October 26, 2014, 01:00:17 am

That picture seems more like a picture from a fashion shoot than a picture from an event in my opinion, but I get what you guys mean by him looking stupid.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr T on October 26, 2014, 01:12:02 am

The 5 files from the right. I have no idea what this unit is called, they have no site or anything to my knowledge, all I know is they exist. I am not certain what unit they're supposed to be portraying, something to do with Grenadiers. Seen them a few times but they had a big turn out at this event at Spetchley Park where I was a spectator for a day, none of their uniforms seem to have any similarity, a few have shakos some have habites others have everything other than a habite or completley different habites from the rest. None of them seem to be uniformed the same. One of them has some sort of musketoon or blunderbuss, a lot of them seem to have different weapons. They're by far the worst uniformed French regiment in the UK.

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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 26, 2014, 01:18:11 am

dat guy with low ready. Jesus. Never thought I'd see that in NW.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Vincenzo on October 26, 2014, 01:18:40 am

Ah I know them, they saved me from captivity during the forrest Skirmish at the Bathmen event in the Netherlands... their extremely great nice and loving people, but sadly also very unhistorical.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Olafson on October 26, 2014, 01:48:06 am

Apparently they are sappeurs. They have all kind of weird weaponry, percussion rifles, blunberbuss, pistols etc, and no real uniformity.

But they guys itself are nice, just their presenation is bad. :P

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: joer5835 on October 26, 2014, 02:09:04 am

Quote from: Olafson on October 26, 2014, 01:48:06 am

Apparently they are sappeurs. They have all kind of weird weaponry, percussion rifles, blunberbuss, pistols etc, and no real uniformity.

But they guys itself are nice, just their presenation is bad. :P

Oh.....my...fucking..god

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Vincenzo on October 26, 2014, 02:26:36 am

Less talking more posting...

I present you, the biggest reenactment event in... Peru!

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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: joer5835 on October 26, 2014, 02:36:30 am

You sure that aint LARPers that are obsessed with live-action risk?

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Vincenzo on October 26, 2014, 09:33:34 am

Nope it truely is a historical reenactment.

http://enperublog.com/2009/12/13/recreation-in-ayacucho-the-battle-that-liberated-a-continent/

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr T on October 26, 2014, 10:28:31 am

Quote from: Vincenzo on October 26, 2014, 01:18:40 am

Ah I know them, they saved me from captivity during the forrest Skirmish at the Bathmen event in the Netherlands... their extremely great nice and loving people, but sadly also very unhistorical.

Yeah I haven't spoken to many of them or been in the same events as them, I expect they're great people, I haven't met a French reenactor in the UK who isn't :)

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr. Kochi on October 26, 2014, 01:16:50 pm

I've heard of these guys.

The thing is, in most of Latin America, the use and discharge of weapons for demonstration is banned, even old musket repros. Therefore, reenactment never set foot in most of these countries. Out of all South America, Argentina is the only country that has law-approved reenactments, while Chilean reenactors are limited to just wearing uniforms (SS Fallschirmjäger and a few rev war. lol.)

There are other countries, (I think Mexico's one of them), which prohibit all use of military uniforms for civilian use. Even those from the XIX century. Therefore, all sorts of reenactment are prohibited by law, except for the military (which has no interest in it anyway).

So yeah, don't expect any accurate reenactment impressions in Latin America. We argies barely managed to get something going, and at least we manage to look decent enough.

Oh, and 5 of us got into Waterloo 2015. Yay.-

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Vincenzo on October 26, 2014, 02:06:43 pm

You included?

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Olafson on October 26, 2014, 02:26:34 pm

How do you know? Did you get a mail saying that you got approved?

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr. Kochi on October 26, 2014, 02:34:39 pm

The commander of the Spanish 51e is on of the organizers of Waterloo 2015. He signed us up with his unit, and sent us a confirmation mail himself. As far as I know, everyone in his unit got in, as privilege for being a "long time veteran" of Waterloo events.

And yes, I am included in those 5.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Duuring on October 26, 2014, 02:35:37 pm

That's not how it works. Every participant had to sign up himself, and unless that commander knows a shitton of personal information about you, he can't make 5 different personal accounts.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr. Kochi on October 26, 2014, 02:37:22 pm

We did sign up. He just talked to the other organizers to make sure we, and all of the 51e got approved.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Duuring on October 26, 2014, 02:38:37 pm

Pretty sure that everybody who signed up at this point got approved.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr. Kochi on October 26, 2014, 02:42:33 pm

Not really. In the last talk we had with the 51e chaps, they mentioned about 2000 people getting rejected so far.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Vincenzo on October 26, 2014, 02:46:36 pm

I never got an approve mail..

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: joer5835 on October 26, 2014, 03:03:42 pm

You did get a confirmation of your request to sign up right? I've heard that is as good as a full confirmation right now.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr. Kochi on October 26, 2014, 04:12:14 pm

I got a request confirmation and an email from the leader of the 51e, saying the other organizers approved the five of us.

I, however, was the only one who signed up via website. The others just sent their personal info to the 51e.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Vincenzo on October 26, 2014, 04:38:28 pm

Quote from: joer5835 on October 26, 2014, 03:03:42 pm

You did get a confirmation of your request to sign up right? I've heard that is as good as a full confirmation right now.

I only got a login code mail and i can login on the site to change my details if needed, nothing else.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: joer5835 on October 26, 2014, 05:11:41 pm

Quote from: Vincenzo on October 26, 2014, 04:38:28 pm

Quote from: joer5835 on October 26, 2014, 03:03:42 pm

You did get a confirmation of your request to sign up right? I've heard that is as good as a full confirmation right now.

I only got a login code mail and i can login on the site to change my details if needed, nothing else.

That's the one I was talking about.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr. Kochi on October 26, 2014, 05:43:42 pm

Got that too, yeah.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Wolff on October 28, 2014, 07:14:29 pm

god, look at this Italian farb destroying our hobby with his modern beer bottle and can and shiet

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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr. Kochi on October 28, 2014, 07:55:30 pm

Here I bring you more keks from Argentina:

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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Wolff on October 28, 2014, 08:40:32 pm

wow argentinia is such white

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Olafson on October 28, 2014, 09:00:19 pm

Quote from: Wolff on October 28, 2014, 07:14:29 pm

god, look at this Italian farb destroying our hobby with his modern beer bottle and can and shiet

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Oh god. Someone should find that dude and put him in a prison.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: joer5835 on October 28, 2014, 09:03:06 pm

Your unit actually looks decent, Koachi, but damn those British. Oh the horror....

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Mr. Kochi on November 07, 2014, 03:02:40 am

Lol my unit wasn't invited to that event. We're kinda hated by the rest of the reenactment groups.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Farbism!
Post by: Captain America on November 07, 2014, 10:19:19 am

Success breeds jealousy!

Our Uni's medieval society are ultimate farbs, they were wearing jeans for Christ sake, will try and get pics