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Title: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Japan vs China
Post by: William on January 24, 2014, 12:05:06 am
Essentially a discussion thread of what would happen if scenarios were to unfold that certain countries were to go to war in the modern world. After a certain amount of discussion and a consensus of some sorts, I'll throw a new Scenario in and we can deliberate more. The first one is pretty obvious but I suppose I have to throw it in:


Japan vs China

Please keep the discussions civil and no fervent nationalism to the point of this thread getting locked.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Wigster600 on January 24, 2014, 12:06:22 am
North korea gets raped and probs detonates it's nukes to selfdestruct.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: William on January 24, 2014, 12:15:36 am
Personally, I think North Korea would have momentum seeing as that they would start the war (SK is fine with it's starcraft). However, SK has a very powerful army, albeit, lesser in numbers, but with much more modern weaponry (North Korea needs to stop using rusty Soviet era vehicles), American troops to help, and then Japan (Not sure what they would do, but I think they would do something to help out SK). After the initial surge from North Korea was halted, I have a feeling a counter offensive would begin, the North would be pushed back, then that's where I'm not certain. I don't know where China stands on this. If they act like how they did in the Korean War, then they would attack, however, this would mean trade would be cut off from them seeing as that the US and it's "allies" would cut all ties with China, thus causing major economic damage, but China desperately wants the "buffer" North Korea offers with the west. Anyways, if China were not to help, North Korea would probably retreat to the border, set off it's nukes, then the leaders would try and escape, and if caught, trialed for war crimes like all enemies of the US that lose, and the war would be over. North Koreans could finally live knowing, "hey, maybe the world doesn't actually hate us and that people live beyond the oceans"
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Millander on January 24, 2014, 01:19:30 am
America would save the day
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Commissar Jdf on January 24, 2014, 01:20:32 am
China wouldn't let North Korea do that.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Skyz on January 24, 2014, 04:34:17 am
What is this? Red Dawn?
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Audiate on January 24, 2014, 04:49:41 am
China wouldn't let North Korea do that.

Yeah. The reason the Korean War had armistice was China's intervention, and that was due to the war getting out of hand (trying to avoid atomic warfare and shit). Korea would honestly not do well as a unified Korea, no matter who takes control of the other half (or both halves). China would not want war, and I doubt they would let North Korea declare war, for a lot of reasons. Honestly, I don't know why China doesn't just take North Korea over and turn it into a much larger DMZ. It would calm the world down, given that the nukes are gotten rid of. Without detonation. Preferably.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: KurassierNixon on January 24, 2014, 05:24:18 am
America would save the day

I second this^
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Desert Thunda on January 24, 2014, 09:33:24 am
What is this? Red Dawn?
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Duuring on January 24, 2014, 10:22:20 am
. Honestly, I don't know why China doesn't just take North Korea over and turn it into a much larger DMZ. It would calm the world down, given that the nukes are gotten rid of. Without detonation. Preferably.

Because China needs their mad little friend. It helps in negotiations.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: William on January 24, 2014, 02:04:10 pm
What is this? Red Dawn?
Essentially a discussion thread for if that were to happen. As in, what could happen from it and how the war would go, who would win, etc.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Duuring on January 24, 2014, 02:45:16 pm
I guess I'll get warned for provoking political discussion if I suggest discussing 'what if the Euromaidan protests turn into civil war?'
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Menelaos on January 24, 2014, 06:21:43 pm
Ukrainian foreign policy is a good topic.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Duuring on January 24, 2014, 06:23:29 pm
I love how the Russian call it by the way. 'Ukrainian internal conflict'. As if they aren't telling the government exactly what to do.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on January 25, 2014, 12:28:22 am
Don't the North Koreans have one of the largest militaries in the world?
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Wigster600 on January 25, 2014, 12:30:25 am
Don't the North Koreans have one of the largest militaries in the world?
Maybe in the top 20, but they don't have the resources to make an offensive, the country is slowly starving to death.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: William on January 25, 2014, 12:51:24 am
North Korean Army is the equivalent of a yari ashigaru spam but IRL. Sad, but true.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Desert Thunda on January 25, 2014, 08:15:30 am
North Korean Army is the equivalent of a yari ashigaru spam but IRL. Sad, but true.

Based on what sources?
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Walko on January 25, 2014, 08:39:26 am
North Korean Army is the equivalent of a yari ashigaru spam but IRL. Sad, but true.

The North Korean army is actually quiet impressive I think.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Gizmo on January 25, 2014, 12:10:08 pm
They do have numbers. But their equipment is too old... That's a known fact and they even proudly show it when they make these huge parades.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: William on January 25, 2014, 03:56:02 pm
They could be a lot more, it's just that they don't have very good equipment or vehicles.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Archduke Sven on January 25, 2014, 04:18:21 pm
They could be a lot more, it's just that they don't have very good equipment or vehicles.

Because they don't have any money, because they are communists = Auto win for western countries.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Wigster600 on January 25, 2014, 04:56:45 pm
They could be a lot more, it's just that they don't have very good equipment or vehicles.

Because they don't have any money, because they are communists = Auto win for western countries.
They're not communists, they're some weird human deity worshipping cult-nation.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Archduke Sven on January 25, 2014, 05:03:31 pm
They could be a lot more, it's just that they don't have very good equipment or vehicles.

Because they don't have any money, because they are communists = Auto win for western countries.
They're not communists, they're some weird human deity worshipping cult-nation.

That isn't an economic system...
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Wigster600 on January 25, 2014, 05:04:47 pm
They could be a lot more, it's just that they don't have very good equipment or vehicles.

Because they don't have any money, because they are communists = Auto win for western countries.
They're not communists, they're some weird human deity worshipping cult-nation.

That isn't an economic system...
No but it's a system of government, like communism which people use the word too indirectly and freely.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Archduke Sven on January 25, 2014, 05:08:08 pm
Are you going to remove my freedom of speech now?

COMMIE ALERT
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Wigster600 on January 25, 2014, 05:09:30 pm
Are you going to remove my freedom of speech now?

COMMIE ALERT
Wow, you sound like one of those political correctness fags.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Duuring on January 25, 2014, 05:10:13 pm
He's Swedish. Being neutral for 200 years does funny stuff to your brains.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: William on January 25, 2014, 05:11:05 pm
Any new scenarios people want to deliberate on? I'm thinking China and Japan, any other suggestions?
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Wigster600 on January 25, 2014, 05:12:39 pm
Yorkshire starts the fight for it's independace, also known as the War Of Southern Agression.  ;D
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Bramif on January 25, 2014, 05:23:16 pm
Yorkshire starts the fight for it's independace, also known as the War Of Southern Agression.  ;D
The vast armies of Yorkshire would destroy the rest of Britain and win it's independence! And after the world...  :P
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Devmc99 on January 26, 2014, 07:06:10 am
Yorkshire starts the fight for it's independace, also known as the War Of Southern Agression.  ;D
The vast armies of Yorkshire would destroy the rest of Britain and win it's independence! And after the world...  :P
Confederate States of Yorkshire  8)
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: TWking on January 26, 2014, 12:34:20 pm
The guy in the plusnet advert would then become leader, causing anarchy in the new independent state allowing Britain to retake it and create the act of dependence meaning Yorkshire may never do it again. ;D
Spoiler
1 cookie to the one who guesses the reference
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Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars
Post by: Jelly on January 26, 2014, 12:42:33 pm
Please, anything but the Plusnet advert!
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: William on January 26, 2014, 04:46:22 pm
India vs Pakistan
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcricketssport.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F06%2FPakistan-VS-India.jpg&hash=b8b5bb816ef2768976d1483001a8f64acce54402)
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: Prince_Eugen on January 26, 2014, 05:34:55 pm
I guess, India again, just like before.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: William on January 26, 2014, 05:37:03 pm
India has a better military, but Pakistan could draw on Islamic extremists from around the Middle East (Iran and others). Then you have to throw in Kashmir, which is an incredibly important area for both countries.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: Prince_Eugen on January 26, 2014, 05:53:02 pm
India has a better military, but Pakistan could draw on Islamic extremists from around the Middle East (Iran and others). Then you have to throw in Kashmir, which is an incredibly important area for both countries.
Guerilla warfare is usefull mostly only on county's own land, i expect, that sabotage actions on enemy land wont be succesfull, if they wouldnt have the support of  local people majority. I would say, that in land conflict India's army will beat Pakistan's one. But, also, foreign support will have the high value, not decisive, but quite high.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: Desert Thunda on January 26, 2014, 06:07:54 pm
Pakistan exists because of its army. Most of its GDP goes to strengthening its army, although the Indians could muster many million men in a war, the Pakistanis would be spending much money in the war effort, and I recall reading an article about the superiority of Pakistani troops to the simple Indian soldier.


India has a better military, but Pakistan could draw on Islamic extremists from around the Middle East (Iran and others). Then you have to throw in Kashmir, which is an incredibly important area for both countries.

Why would Pakistan get extremists which have been terrorizing the nation for the past decade?
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on January 26, 2014, 06:47:49 pm
I'd imagine it would be very close, but a war between those two would lead to some kind of intervention from a Great Power
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: Duuring on January 26, 2014, 06:59:52 pm
Implying that India with 1 Billion inhabitants isn't a great power.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: William on January 26, 2014, 07:01:58 pm
Pakistan exists because of its army. Most of its GDP goes to strengthening its army, although the Indians could muster many million men in a war, the Pakistanis would be spending much money in the war effort, and I recall reading an article about the superiority of Pakistani troops to the simple Indian soldier.


India has a better military, but Pakistan could draw on Islamic extremists from around the Middle East (Iran and others). Then you have to throw in Kashmir, which is an incredibly important area for both countries.

Why would Pakistan get extremists which have been terrorizing the nation for the past decade?

I suppose I was vague, in that I should have specified that people from Pakistan don't like India, thus, more people would want to join in on the war, whether it be out of nationalism or a hatred of Hindus. I probably should not have said extremists, my bad there.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: Duuring on January 26, 2014, 07:05:06 pm
People tend to hate people they are at war with, yes.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: joer5835 on January 26, 2014, 07:12:47 pm
The Hindu's have a special weapon though: they don't fear death. After all, they reincarnate.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: Archduke Sven on January 26, 2014, 07:13:14 pm
Using the power of logic: Pakistan cannot possibly ever win against India.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on January 26, 2014, 07:18:18 pm
Pakistan exists because of its army. Most of its GDP goes to strengthening its army, although the Indians could muster many million men in a war, the Pakistanis would be spending much money in the war effort, and I recall reading an article about the superiority of Pakistani troops to the simple Indian soldier.


India has a better military, but Pakistan could draw on Islamic extremists from around the Middle East (Iran and others). Then you have to throw in Kashmir, which is an incredibly important area for both countries.

Why would Pakistan get extremists which have been terrorizing the nation for the past decade?

I suppose I was vague, in that I should have specified that people from Pakistan don't like India, thus, more people would want to join in on the war, whether it be out of nationalism or a hatred of Hindus. I probably should not have said extremists, my bad there.

Islam is the second largest religion in India, and the majority of those Muslims are actually pretty pro-India.

I still think it's a shame that Ghandi's attempt at a united India didn't come to pass. Pakistan, India and Bangladesh would be a lot stronger if they were together :/
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: GoldenEagle on January 28, 2014, 02:05:39 pm
The Hindu's have a special weapon though: they don't fear death. After all, they reincarnate.


Muslims believe that if you die in a battle for your country, you will go straight to heaven.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: Duuring on January 28, 2014, 02:56:28 pm
What they believe, like any religion in any part of the world, that if you do what your church leaders say is right, you go to heaven.

I'm 100% confident that if some great mufti declared that killing 250 cats in your life-time gets you into heaven, the same people who kill 'the enemy' for a spot in heaven, would be doing that.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: GoldenEagle on January 29, 2014, 07:24:19 pm
What they believe, like any religion in any part of the world, that if you do what your church leaders say is right, you go to heaven.

I'm 100% confident that if some great mufti declared that killing 250 cats in your life-time gets you into heaven, the same people who kill 'the enemy' for a spot in heaven, would be doing that.

I doubt that.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: Duuring on January 30, 2014, 10:32:52 am
I don't. Religious fanatism (Or rather, that of people) knows no bounds. Killing included.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: Menelaos on January 30, 2014, 04:26:07 pm
Australia and Indonesia, that's a new one I've heard about recently.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: Prince_Eugen on January 30, 2014, 04:32:23 pm
They had some terrain issues in 60's.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: Karth on January 30, 2014, 05:36:46 pm
India has like millions of soldiers? They could roll over Pakistan and personally not sure why we aid pakistan in the first place for harboring terrorists..starts with a Bin...

But just India v Pakistan = India.  Now i doubt itll happen because China has Pakistans back i believe
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: William on January 30, 2014, 05:37:44 pm
I didn't start that poll  ???

what the fuck, they didn't even capitalize God...
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: Desert Thunda on January 30, 2014, 05:44:58 pm
Olafson strikes again!
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : India vs Pakistan
Post by: Furrnox on February 21, 2014, 08:36:49 am
Well if Pakistan & India went into a full scale war it probably wouldn't end very well for either part since both countries have nuclear weapons, I don't think there would be a "winner" of such a war.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: William on February 21, 2014, 02:08:43 pm
New poll, new fight. I'd say EU because they have so many nations that could co-ordinate, granted, American Navy isn't something that you can just forget.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Menelaos on February 21, 2014, 02:39:52 pm
Who would benefit from that sort of war?
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Prince_Eugen on February 21, 2014, 03:56:12 pm
Who would benefit from that sort of war?
Evil Empires of China and Russia.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Gizmo on February 21, 2014, 03:57:45 pm
Who would benefit from that sort of war?
Evil Empires of China and Russia.
And the machiavelic Swiss bankers
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Archduke Sven on February 21, 2014, 04:01:18 pm
Europe needs to launch a crusade on the US
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Ryner on February 21, 2014, 04:04:34 pm
Would this war be fought without the use of nuclear weapons? Who instigated and how? Where will the initial fighting take place?

Just some variables that should be taken to account before a conclusion is reached. Please elaborate.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: stylish on February 21, 2014, 04:16:50 pm
America's army is build up, Europe's on the other hand... lol.

Assemble the levies!
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Archduke Sven on February 21, 2014, 04:18:22 pm
Europe has 3 times the populace of the US, we would rek the shit outta them.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: stylish on February 21, 2014, 04:19:44 pm
Europe has 3 times the populace of the US, we would rek the shit outta them.

United Europe would be fucking wrecking everybody. Second largest population, by far the largest economy etc.

How sweet it would be :(

A man can dream.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Wigster600 on February 21, 2014, 04:42:37 pm
Europe has 3 times the populace of the US, we would rek the shit outta them.

United Europe would be fucking wrecking everybody. Second largest population, by far the largest economy etc.

How sweet it would be :(

A man can dream.
Wouldn't work, espescially if the catholic church tries to make a bid for more supporters in non catholic countries.

#Free North europe.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: stylish on February 21, 2014, 05:00:14 pm
What about a northern european union of protestant nations :D?

All the best economies in europe together, GG?
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Wigster600 on February 21, 2014, 05:01:13 pm
What about a northern european union of protestant nations :D?

All the best economies in europe together, GG?
Nah, our economies are in the shitter at the moment.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Archduke Sven on February 21, 2014, 05:02:07 pm
What about a northern european union of protestant nations :D?

All the best economies in europe together, GG?
Nah, our economies are in the shitter at the moment.

America's is worse though.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Wigster600 on February 21, 2014, 05:04:32 pm
Our governments probably aren't letting on how F*cked we are financially to prevent mass riots.

*puts on tin foil hat*
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Gizmo on February 21, 2014, 06:27:16 pm
Wouldn't work, espescially if the catholic church tries to make a bid for more supporters in non catholic countries.

#Free North europe.
Hi. Should I introduce you to the year 2014?

Nah really, the Thirty Years War is over since a long time heh.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Wigster600 on February 21, 2014, 07:57:25 pm
Wouldn't work, espescially if the catholic church tries to make a bid for more supporters in non catholic countries.

#Free North europe.
Hi. Should I introduce you to the year 2014?

Nah really, the Thirty Years War is over since a long time heh.
I think this guy's a plotter, he's trying to blow up parliment!
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: William on February 21, 2014, 08:20:51 pm

Who would benefit from that sort of war?
It's a what if thread. It's just opinions and how people interpret it.


Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Menelaos on February 21, 2014, 11:56:29 pm
Obviously. But I'm asking what terms would each side enforce on the other? European countries turned into Amercan states or the recolonization of America?
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: William on February 22, 2014, 12:10:44 am
In this sort of thing, I'm going with a 2142 sort of situation, the world is experiencing massive global cooling so much so it's being coined another ice age. It's sweeping through the world and countries have gone to war over farmable land in order to eat. Thus, Europe has launched an assault on America. Russia doesn't count as Europe in this situation.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: KurassierNixon on February 22, 2014, 12:13:13 am
Invade America? USA would rule the air and seas so I doubt an invasion could happen. Battle on land however would be left up to the numbers presuming both would be equally matched.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: William on February 22, 2014, 12:17:39 am
Ice Age has frozen the Atlantic ocean, thus, ships are powerless (yes, I know it doesn't make sense, just go with it). Essentially a massive land bridge
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: stylish on February 22, 2014, 12:56:25 am
The thing is.

In our current state it would be the USA all the way.

But what if both sides would enter a Cold War situation, and Europe would be given 10+ years to build up Naval and Airforce potential?

;D
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Killington on February 22, 2014, 01:21:46 am
You scrubs are forgetting Mexico and Canada, we're part of North America and we'd totally carry the US to victory over the Euroscum 8)
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on February 22, 2014, 01:25:26 am
Does North America include the Caribbean? If so then the Army of Cuba would be an important force to count, it's not very large but it has decent training.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: stylish on February 22, 2014, 01:27:58 am
Wouldn't Canada side with the UK though, lol? They share a head of state, after all.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on February 22, 2014, 01:35:32 am
Wouldn't Canada side with the UK though, lol? They share a head of state, after all.

By that logic Ireland would have never rebelled.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: stylish on February 22, 2014, 01:46:43 am
Wouldn't Canada side with the UK though, lol? They share a head of state, after all.

By that logic Ireland would have never rebelled.

Potatoe & potato.

The Irish have never been quite happy with that arrangement, and the Canadians so far seem to be quite pleased with it on the other hand.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Duuring on February 22, 2014, 01:47:44 am
Ireland existed for a thousand years before any English decided to show up. Canada, apart from the Native tribes, is British offspring. Well, besides Quebec of course.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: KurassierNixon on February 22, 2014, 02:00:21 am
Wouldn't Canada side with the UK though, lol? They share a head of state, after all.

Could we maybe say Canada got invaded by America? Could be a good reason for EU to go to war.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: William on February 22, 2014, 08:02:18 pm
We could do this, President Obama has been assassinated and it was linked to be a Canadian government backed strike

Obama was assassinated. The assassination was linked to a Canadian run special ops mission, 'murica goes in for invasion, there.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on February 23, 2014, 01:33:39 am
That's America against Canada, not Europe against North America.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Killington on February 23, 2014, 01:35:53 am
That's America against Canada, not Europe against North America.
I think that the idea is that Europe then rushes to Canada's aid?

Wouldn't Canada side with the UK though, lol? They share a head of state, after all.

Could we maybe say Canada got invaded by America? Could be a good reason for EU to go to war.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on February 23, 2014, 01:37:57 am
But the Canadians brought it on themselves in that case, why would Europe bother to get involved?
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Killington on February 23, 2014, 01:40:17 am
But the Canadians brought it on themselves in that case, why would Europe bother to get involved?
Because fuck 'Merica? I dunno, if the Canadians wanted to take out Obama he was probably doing some bad shit that Europe wouldn't like either. I dunno, maybe they just like Canada more?
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: William on February 23, 2014, 04:06:28 am
That's America against Canada, not Europe against North America.
I think that the idea is that Europe then rushes to Canada's aid?

yeah
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on February 23, 2014, 04:54:57 am
Then I'd change my vote to a US loss, we don't have the numbers or the tech to handle ALL of Europe and Canada at once.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Bramif on February 23, 2014, 05:26:26 pm
Then I'd change my vote to a US loss, we don't have the numbers or the tech to handle ALL of Europe and Canada at once.
And if the US were the aggressors they would also lose the moment of surprise which would make Europe able to mobilize it's armies...
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: GoldenEagle on February 24, 2014, 11:27:46 pm
Eu would win no doubt but boy would it be a darn bloody war.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: William on February 25, 2014, 12:50:43 am
I wouldn't doubt that after this some Asian Alliance could take over the world. Europe severely depleted, America in shambles, would set the stakes for a grand ending conflict.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Ryner on February 26, 2014, 02:34:19 pm
How about Agentina & Brazil vs. England in a war that started over the Flaklands ( is that how you spell it? ) but exalated when Agentina persuaded Brazil to join the war?
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Hawke on February 26, 2014, 04:57:16 pm
How about Argentina & Brazil vs. The UK in a war that started over the Falklands (Is that how you spell it?) but escalated when Argentina persuaded Brazil to join the war?
There wouldn't be a war started by Argentina in the first place, as they piss themselves whenever they hear someone speak English.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Archduke Sven on February 26, 2014, 05:20:32 pm
South Americans can not into war with great power.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: MapleSyrupSmugler on March 02, 2014, 08:06:11 am
If nukes were involved then everyone would lose but if it was up to conventional or unconventional warfare with firearms, tanks, planes etc then Murica would win. Just watch Red Dawn.  ;D

But seriously, Murica has the best armed civilian population in the world, "behind every blade of grass there would be a rifle"... gg no re.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Jelly on March 03, 2014, 07:23:36 pm
If "behind every blade of grass there would be a rifle"... gg no re.
Considering that Americans rank 2nd in the world for 'average body mass' (weight), I don't really believe that your quote is valid...
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Bramif on March 03, 2014, 07:51:17 pm
But Jelly.... Fat people can also fight...  :-X

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Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Jelly on March 03, 2014, 07:57:39 pm
I never said they couldn't, I just said it would be hard for them to hide behind a single blade of grass.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: stylish on March 03, 2014, 08:19:12 pm
With the situation and all...

Could we change this to USA and EU vs Russia and China.

Seems appropiate.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Karth on March 03, 2014, 09:47:32 pm
Lol China? They won't want to do anything at all, their economy is most dependent on the American one and vice versa. They will keep quiet
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Prince_Eugen on March 03, 2014, 10:03:50 pm
Lol China? They won't want to do anything at all, their economy is most dependent on the American one and vice versa. They will keep quiet
As far as i know, they hold major part of US abroad debt, yea, dependant, sure.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Ryner on March 03, 2014, 10:17:08 pm
Ukraine vs. Russia in light of recent events.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on March 03, 2014, 10:18:44 pm
Lol China? They won't want to do anything at all, their economy is most dependent on the American one and vice versa. They will keep quiet
As far as i know, they hold major part of US abroad debt, yea, dependant, sure.

And if America stopped using Chinese labour, their economy would go right into the tank.

US and China need each-other at this point.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Karth on March 03, 2014, 10:27:23 pm
Lol China? They won't want to do anything at all, their economy is most dependent on the American one and vice versa. They will keep quiet
As far as i know, they hold major part of US abroad debt, yea, dependant, sure.

Again, http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2012/01/22/china-is-175-6-dependent-on-the-u-s/

$272 Billion trade surplus. That's freaking insane.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: MapleSyrupSmugler on March 03, 2014, 10:51:07 pm
Considering that Americans rank 2nd in the world for 'average body mass' (weight), I don't really believe that your quote is valid...

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Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: stylish on March 04, 2014, 12:06:22 am
Lol China? They won't want to do anything at all, their economy is most dependent on the American one and vice versa. They will keep quiet

Watch the news lad.

They just backed Russia in all of this, and it's quite obvious who'd they side with in a major conflict.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Karth on March 04, 2014, 12:13:20 am
Lol China? They won't want to do anything at all, their economy is most dependent on the American one and vice versa. They will keep quiet

Watch the news lad.

They just backed Russia in all of this, and it's quite obvious who'd they side with in a major conflict.

I do watch the news, not the propaganda news, but the actual news.  And again, in a major conflict, they would not side with anyone.  Unless they want their entire economy to fall apart, therefore not being able to upkeep their entire military infrastructure.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: stylish on March 04, 2014, 12:15:10 am
Lol China? They won't want to do anything at all, their economy is most dependent on the American one and vice versa. They will keep quiet

Watch the news lad.

They just backed Russia in all of this, and it's quite obvious who'd they side with in a major conflict.

I do watch the news, not the propaganda news, but the actual news.  And again, in a major conflict, they would not side with anyone.  Unless they want their entire economy to fall apart, therefore not being able to upkeep their entire military infrastructure.

Not the Propaganda news? In that case you surely don't watch any of the major national tv networks over there, or any papers... mhm?
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Karth on March 04, 2014, 12:16:45 am
Where does it say they would back Russia if a major conflict erupted? lol
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: stylish on March 04, 2014, 12:21:28 am
Where does it say they would back Russia if a major conflict erupted? lol

I didn't say that, again; read.

I was saying that they are backing them over the current strategy used by Russia and the occupation of the Crimea.

http://news.sky.com/story/1219922/russia-and-china-in-agreement-over-ukraine
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Brock on March 04, 2014, 07:24:59 am
Russia's army is not to great, the morale is ultra low due to the very strange Slavic hazing techniques, but Russia can still roll Uke over if they learned from Georgia. The only chance the clankers have against rf is to fight an unconventional war, and hold on until Russia nopes the fuck out of Ukraine. That is without NATO support. With NATO support, Russia would be decimated in a conventional war and would hopefully decide Crimea isn't worth going nuclear.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Archduke Sven on March 05, 2014, 07:28:32 pm
Morale in the Russian Ground Forces is actually really high. Fascist propaganda does wonders.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Ukraine (with only NATO Aircraft) vs Russia
Post by: William on March 06, 2014, 12:25:35 am
Knock yourselves out
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Ukraine (with only NATO Aircraft) vs Russia
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on March 06, 2014, 01:04:59 am
Ukraine would be swamped still.

No doubt the Russians would suffer considerable casualties, but there's no way in hell I see a Ukrainian victory coming from this.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Ukraine (with only NATO Aircraft) vs Russia
Post by: Bruin on March 07, 2014, 12:19:12 am
This is a very tough question due to the fact Russia hasn't been in a real war since the Soviet Invasion on Afghanistan. It seemed like the Chechen wars in the early 1990's Russia didn't mobilize must of their troops like the Georgian-Russian Conflict in 2008. If THIS actually did happen I really don't know. NATO has supported a few wars where they just helped through Naval and Air i.e Libyan Civil War, and Kosovo War. And it helped very much, I think the Libyan Rebels would of lost if it wasn't for NATO. With Ukraine's population already cut in half with some supporting Ukraine and some supporting Russia it would be a very bloody war. I really don't want to go to war. I really hope in the future we could push this all aside and all work together North America, Europe, and Russia.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Ukraine (with only NATO Aircraft) vs Russia
Post by: Archduke Sven on March 07, 2014, 12:24:26 am
Russia's army is 2gud4 Ukraine.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : North America vs Europe
Post by: Brock on March 08, 2014, 07:50:13 am
Morale in the Russian Ground Forces is actually really high. Fascist propaganda does wonders.
Fascists. Lol.
Russian conscripts are commonly Beaten and sexually harassed by NCOs. Propaganda can't do anything in that situation. Imagine, being conscripted into the army, being sexually assaulted, then having to fight alongside the same people. I don't think you quite understand.

Russia's army is 2gud4 Ukraine.
My god, as a former superpower and the largest nation in the world, I would hope so.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Ukraine (with only NATO Aircraft) vs Russia
Post by: Toffee on July 30, 2014, 04:17:43 pm
Just to revive the thread a bit.

I find it hard to believe that there will ever be another war on this scale.
Don't get me wrong it's quite possible but with the United Nations and such around many countries are reverting to peaceful ways instead of empire building. If any nation attempted to conquer the world then I reckon they would most likely be beaten badly by the combined forces of the UN.

Besides nobody is stupid and nobody wants to risk another world war which could potentially destroy the world.
Russia may act like the big bully who is above the UN and EU but at the end of the day they won't risk starting a war. I reckon now that sanctions are being introduced Russia will back down a bit.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Ukraine (with only NATO Aircraft) vs Russia
Post by: Duuring on July 30, 2014, 04:19:39 pm
There's no such thing as the 'UN Forces'.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Ukraine (with only NATO Aircraft) vs Russia
Post by: Gizmo on July 30, 2014, 04:21:27 pm
There's no such thing as the 'UN Forces'.
I think he may have mistaken the UN with the NATO.

The only military branch of the UN are the peacekeepers.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Ukraine (with only NATO Aircraft) vs Russia
Post by: Toffee on July 30, 2014, 04:22:45 pm
Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't there like a peacekeeping force?
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Ukraine (with only NATO Aircraft) vs Russia
Post by: Duuring on July 30, 2014, 04:54:25 pm
Which can only be used in UN missions that are passed trough the Peace-council, in which Russia has a veto.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Ukraine (with only NATO Aircraft) vs Russia
Post by: Toffee on July 30, 2014, 04:58:19 pm
Ah ok. Thanks for the info :)
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Ukraine (with only NATO Aircraft) vs Russia
Post by: Colonel Howe on July 31, 2014, 06:47:13 pm
There's no such thing as the 'UN Forces'.
I think he may have mistaken the UN with the NATO.

The only military branch of the UN are the peacekeepers.
Wanna talk about autism? UN Peacekeepers are a great starting point
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Japan vs China
Post by: William on July 31, 2014, 07:55:49 pm
New topic  :)
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Japan vs China
Post by: Wigster600 on July 31, 2014, 08:17:19 pm
China would spam their troops and Japan would spam their robots, with the repodruction rate of the chinese and the production rate of the Japanese robots, the war will never end.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Japan vs China
Post by: Colonel Howe on July 31, 2014, 11:11:05 pm
Rape of Nanking 2.0
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Japan vs China
Post by: Donner on July 31, 2014, 11:38:18 pm
China would spam their troops and Japan would spam their robots, with the repodruction rate of the chinese and the production rate of the Japanese robots, the war will never end.

+1 kamikaze robots 4 life
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Ukraine (with only NATO Aircraft) vs Russia
Post by: Toffee on August 01, 2014, 12:41:04 am
Which can only be used in UN missions that are passed trough the Peace-council, in which Russia has a veto.
I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject as you see :D but if Russia was breaking some international law would the other members of the UN not be allowed to vote to send in the peacekeepers without Russia having a say?
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Japan vs China
Post by: Duuring on August 01, 2014, 12:42:13 am
Nope.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Japan vs China
Post by: Toffee on August 01, 2014, 12:42:49 am
Thats a bit of a shit system :D
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Japan vs China
Post by: Riddlez on August 08, 2014, 12:34:05 pm
Thats a bit of a shit system :D

Yes. It's the same as the pre-NATO system. I forgot what is was called (Duuring, remind us, please), but it was basically NATO with Veto rights (I think for everyone) and a council. It was horrible. Nothing was ever done because not everyone would agree with everyone.
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Japan vs China
Post by: Toffee on August 08, 2014, 04:47:11 pm
How do you think the system should work?
Title: Re: The Scenario Wars | "What if" Wars : Japan vs China
Post by: Riddlez on August 08, 2014, 11:19:01 pm
How do you think the system should work?

NATO is a good organization, truly. But I think countries ought to have more say to which countries they ally. I think NATO should only be a geographical alliance, not an idealistic one, as it appears to be now. A single country should be able to consider going to CAR and decide to help the population there. It shouldn't be something decided by the UN or NATO.