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Re: [CFL - S1] Discussion
« Reply #60 on: April 05, 2021, 01:08:49 am »
I don't find it phew to have placed people like that

I find its not phew for some which can be hurt

Let's all come together and find solutions to make cavalry phew again.

For everyone.



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Re: [CFL - S1] Discussion
« Reply #61 on: April 05, 2021, 01:24:26 am »
I don't find it phew to have placed people like that

I find its not phew for some which can be hurt

Let's all come together and find solutions to make cavalry phew again.
For everyone.

If we use this means, argument is better to affirm why this guys is or no tier 1 with real argument, not just  "I say it" it's simple, because I don't understand everyone's location, if I think that I am worse off or better than someone who is placed in tier 1 I say so, or people who I do not find good to place in tier 3, if there is no argument, and it was, it's called an opinion, Personally, I don't care, but for certain maybe not internally, especially with 0 arguments, that's why I don't like it when you place people with 0 arguments for the tier 1, but now i understand why the admin made these choices in this way, it's easier I know and it's ok man haha

It don't wanna start a big debate here, especially like Dokletian said, it's not the right place to debate about it. But just to answer simply about some of your questions.

The list is made with a group of veterans of this community, they are skilled and have played a lot in this game as cavalry. So I think that if there are people that can judge the performances of other players, they are the best placed to do so. Of course there can always be misses in the judgement of some skills of players. But it's a global view of how people are in skills. That's why even Ciiges wanted to start with a "tier" list, and not a list like we could see in other threats were it was each player above on another. Also because players don't have the same play style, so sometimes it can be difficult to compare them directly. With the time the lists became a little more precise, but it's still in that "tier" mentality. And I think it's a good idea, but if people don't agree with it, it's okay and like no one will be offended if you disagree with it. It's just an idea of some players on the skills of other players.
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Re: [CFL - S1] Discussion
« Reply #62 on: April 05, 2021, 01:42:20 am »
I don't find it phew to have placed people like that

I find its not phew for some which can be hurt

Let's all come together and find solutions to make cavalry phew again.
For everyone.

If we use this means, argument is better to affirm why this guys is or no tier 1 with real argument, not just  "I say it" it's simple, because I don't understand everyone's location, if I think that I am worse off or better than someone who is placed in tier 1 I say so, or people who I do not find good to place in tier 3, if there is no argument, and it was, it's called an opinion, Personally, I don't care, but for certain maybe not internally, especially with 0 arguments, that's why I don't like it when you place people with 0 arguments for the tier 1, but now i understand why the admin made these choices in this way, it's easier I know and it's ok man haha

It don't wanna start a big debate here, especially like Dokletian said, it's not the right place to debate about it. But just to answer simply about some of your questions.

The list is made with a group of veterans of this community, they are skilled and have played a lot in this game as cavalry. So I think that if there are people that can judge the performances of other players, they are the best placed to do so. Of course there can always be misses in the judgement of some skills of players. But it's a global view of how people are in skills. That's why even Ciiges wanted to start with a "tier" list, and not a list like we could see in other threats were it was each player above on another. Also because players don't have the same play style, so sometimes it can be difficult to compare them directly. With the time the lists became a little more precise, but it's still in that "tier" mentality. And I think it's a good idea, but if people don't agree with it, it's okay and like no one will be offended if you disagree with it. It's just an idea of some players on the skills of other players.



I think im stuppid, it's a big probability, i don't saw a list of ciges, it's a mini tournaments one player versus one player ? Sorry i never see this list im not on fse all day my bad i know haha
It's verry cool if it's a mini tournaments one player versus one player for give a rank, but if it isn't this, mmh ...

I understand you, My friend, I myself am a veteran player for 10 years having played the whole cavalry league with the old IVe_7e_Huss and the 4e for 6 years now and having spent too much time on cav gf too, I also know the levels of the people, a lot of people that I wouldn't name, from my regiment, or else, even better than me, with an incredible score even in the cavalry league final, are neither in the tier and 1 nor in the 2 on this CFL, so who can be stronger than name like that on the tier one, ( i respect all poeple on the tier one calmos ) if you don't do not speak of score when they are often the top players of the "best regiment". How do you see the level of play of those who are currently at tier 1 if it is not with the score? with a riddle? For example, How can you say that such and such is better than a guy who is part of the best of his regiment and who has won a lot of cavelery tournaments? if you use this system, you have to say how do you judge yourself to be a good player, if it's not tournaments what is it? there are not 10,000 arguments to give, I just don't agree with certain placement. It's my opinion if we work with this system. ( I don't like this system of tier I repeat it but i know it's necessary )
I don't understand how you choose a good player if it's not through tournaments and all cavelery league and cav gf, not just the score ofc xD or a mini tournaments one players versus on player, real argument is better to affirm such a thing if we work with this system. Not just we talked about it between 2 3 veterans without taking into account the big tournaments and not just a recent 2vs2 tournament, I am also a veterans and I assure you that I would have given anothers names for example, I was not called, it's normal not to agree with everyone, there is no problem :)
Because I don't see how we can say that a person is better than me for example without having ever faced him in 1v1 or having never seen him have scores that i had in battle like on cav gf or finish first of this team in the final of the Cavalery league of many time or on cavgf, it's strange that people can know your background and say your less good than him, I speak on behalf of poeple when you know your level, you can't let a veteran say that such and such is better than you without ever facing them or never having a track record in equal play, i don't always mean winning or be the first in your squad, but for the most part, otherwise how do you rate a player for placing him without all of that? for me it is just logical but I may be stupid xD
but i understand more now, it's cool :)
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Re: [CFL - S1] Discussion
« Reply #63 on: April 05, 2021, 02:02:33 am »
Can someone explain to me, what this has to do with the tournament?.


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Re: [CFL - S1] Discussion
« Reply #64 on: April 05, 2021, 02:04:49 am »
Can someone explain to me, what this has to do with the tournament?.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vjYviqS8-PvKFqF9GhIlaAfi507bKBPjSLQaPvnRDjA/edit#gid=0


I think im stuppid, it's a big probability, i don't saw a list of ciges, it's a mini tournaments one player versus one player ? Sorry i never see  this list but if it's not, i speak about the list of the CFL
This is the tournament xD I give my opinion on how to say that such is good or not created by those who create the tournament, as I said above, I understand why it was done, but I just had to tell you we find your source of which is better if you watch not all the tournaments and not just 1, at the beginning its part of the fact of why to do that if it can hurt people with tier, but seeing that it is obligatory to do that, well we have to prove why such and such is tier 1, we do not choose like that or look better at all tournaments not fair 1 or just talked about it between 2 3 veterans without taking into account the big tournaments and not just a recent tournament 2v2,  real argument is better to affirm such a thing if we work with this system, because I find it crazy to say that this 6 guys is better than 3/4 of the players when this is not the case, especially with tier 2, I see 0 difference between these players, even tiers 3, I don't like the base to place the players, but even less with 0 real proof, it's normal not to agree with everyone, but no need to talk about it anymore it's ok, the tournament is cool even if he's doing a great job i told him, i just give my opinion no drama here haha we can talk about opinion on something that no one is talking about on the game :)
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Re: [CFL - S1] Discussion
« Reply #65 on: April 05, 2021, 02:25:41 am »
Enderby, it seems you have a problem with the ranking list. This is what you should do.

1) Go here https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=44894.0
2) Make a post like this: "Please remove me from this list, thank you."

Problem solved. You won't be the first who did this, nor hopefully the last.


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Re: [CFL - S1] Discussion
« Reply #66 on: April 05, 2021, 02:30:23 am »
Enderby, it seems you have a problem with the ranking list. This is what you should do.

1) Go here https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=44894.0
2) Make a post like this: "Please remove me from this list, thank you."

Problem solved. You won't be the first who did this, nor hopefully the last.

It's a one player versus one player classification ?
I didn't even know it existed my bad haha
It's verry cool if it's a mini tournaments one player versus one player for give a rank, but if it isn't this, mmh ...
 
it's funny, I don't understand how you choose a good player if it's not through tournaments and all cavelery league or a 1v1 player yeah, nobody says where it comes from, I ask, I'm curious, curious guys it's good isn't it ? however I have seen and played all the cavalry league for 7 years, I don't see a good player who has won everything and hears the best of the regiment, at the top of your ranking, and i don't even talk about myself, i know it's crazy, that's why I do not agree with this classification, we classify thanks to the tournaments normally, it's my opinion, I don't even talk about mine, it's ok because for real i don't care about it man, just read me for real, I don't play for a rank or a ranking made by people, I play because I like to play with the guys from the 4e and other regiment, no need for this to know your levels just look at what you accomplish in a game but on the other hand if it is to calculate by making 1v1 it's cool yes, it's a real argument and it's verry cool idea, but no one has ever told me about it if it happens like this for the general classification solo of the game :)

I speak for the tournament and I don't even speak of myself or a classification general on the game, but for the fatasy league i found it crazy that's all xD but I understand the decision, just not the way we say one is better without looking at tournaments. I just gave my opinion dude, i just wanted to say it. The referee explain to me, it's ok :)


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Re: [CFL - S1] Discussion
« Reply #68 on: April 05, 2021, 03:13:17 am »
https://www.google.com/search?q=drunk+frenchman&hl=sr&authuser=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjW55Xy9eXvAhWVhf0HHRh8DDgQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=969

That is what I thought :) we talk about opinion on something that no one is talking about on the game, or ask a question because i don't saw the list of ciges before now and i don't know if this list it's a one player versus one player or no, beacause im stuppid yeah xD and nobody talk me about this list before tonight haha, but if the list is not a rank by all tournaments or 1v1 player for me is not good.
But he shouldn't even have a drama about it when someone gives an opinion, I don't understand why always wanting to laugh about others it's a shame it always ends like that when the admin has already politely answered at me, especially that I speak of the list of the CFL. because I don't see how we can say that a person is better than me for example without having ever faced him in 1v1 or having never seen him have scores that I had to in battle like on cav gf or finish first of this team in the final of the Cavalery league of many time or on cavgf, it's strange that people can know your background and say your less good than him u know, I speak on behalf of like-minded people and their history when you know your level, you can't let a veteran say that such and such is better than you without ever facing them or never having a track record in equal play, i don't always mean winning or d 'be the first in your squad, but for the most part, otherwise how do you rate a player for placing him without all of that? for it is just logical but I may be stupid xD
People answered seriously at the beginning it's cool, but you must be a funny guy, I hope haha, now stop for troll, it was interesting at the base and that I always think it's cool what the game people create for the game and just go for the fun :)
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Re: [CFL - S1] Discussion
« Reply #69 on: April 05, 2021, 10:09:49 am »
Please, if you have still questions or if you feel the need to debate the credibility/system of the classification, let's not do it here, but do it on the ciiges list place. Let's keep this part of the forum for the tournament itself.
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Re: [CFL - S1] Discussion
« Reply #70 on: April 05, 2021, 02:40:29 pm »
Please, if you have still questions or if you need the feel to debate the credibility/system of the classification, let's not do it here, but do it on the ciiges list place. Let's keep this part of the forum for the tournament itself.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vjYviqS8-PvKFqF9GhIlaAfi507bKBPjSLQaPvnRDjA/edit#gid=0

I speak about the tier classification of the CFL, not the ciges list, that's why we talk about it on this page and not the other, I didn't even know what the other one existed before today. My question was simple, if you place people i would have wanted to know, if it was with 1 player versus 1 player or cavalry league or just 2 3 veteran talking and deciding, which i disagree with his strategy, being myself a big veteran of the games in cavalry. I'm only talking about the CFL, it's a opinion about the CFL, not the ciges mist to the base, I was against a tier list if it is not justified with real argument and based on nothing.
Now yes stop, the administrator my already answered, it's ok, bye :)
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Re: [CFL - S1] Discussion
« Reply #71 on: April 05, 2021, 03:05:05 pm »
all the questions you've been asking enderby can be answered with one of your sentence :

Don't get mad I'm a cool guy and old 4e player NW (The jumper noob duel) I'm just giving my opinion. At worst be upset it's funny too if you do not accept the opinions of others.

there is no such thing as an argument, everyone based on his experience will have preconceived ideas/opinions about that or this. what you consider a valid argument (i.e. ppl being top scores in certain games should be tier 1) won't be for others (look at what aless said there)
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Re: [CFL - S1] Discussion
« Reply #72 on: April 05, 2021, 03:08:38 pm »
all the questions you've been asking enderby can be answered with one of your sentence :

Don't get mad I'm a cool guy and old 4e player NW (The jumper noob duel) I'm just giving my opinion. At worst be upset it's funny too if you do not accept the opinions of others.

there is no such thing as an argument, everyone based on his experience will have preconceived ideas/opinions about that or this. what you consider a valid argument (i.e. ppl being top scores in certain games should be tier 1) won't be for others (look at what aless said there)
at the end of it, there's nothing else but opinions, you may argue with them, but truth be told, there is no solution that would make everyone happy

I agree with you and aless, yes it can be ridiculous for some as said aless, but I prefer it take into account tournaments cavalery league and wy not cav gf or make real 1vs1, to just say, that 3 veterans we choose this via their score on cavgf without even knowing the other players and their scores too and not only on cavgf and their knowledge to place people like that on tier 1 2 3 4 on the CFL with no proof, based on something pls, and if so, I don't think who we really cared about with the many cavelery league and other tournament and I understand it, and if they did, i just disagree with certain placement on the CFL tier list if we work with this system. ( I don't like this system of tier I repeat it but i know it's necessary ). It's a opinion like the opinion of aless. The administrator did not have time he tells me, and I understand it.
It was cool to talk about it, had to talk about it. That doesn't stop the tournament from being awesome.
That's why it's pointless to add more, just play and fun :)
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Re: [CFL - S1] Discussion
« Reply #73 on: April 05, 2021, 05:25:10 pm »
I agree with you and aless, yes it can be ridiculous for some as said aless, but I prefer it take into account tournaments cavalery league and wy not cav gf or make real 1vs1, to just say, that 3 veterans we choose this via their score on cavgf without even knowing the other players and their scores too and not only on cavgf and their knowledge to place people like that on tier 1 2 3 4 on the CFL with no proof, based on something pls, and if so, I don't think who we really cared about with the many cavelery league and other tournament and I understand it, and if they did, i just disagree with certain placement on the CFL tier list if we work with this system. ( I don't like this system of tier I repeat it but i know it's necessary ). It's a opinion like the opinion of aless. The administrator did not have time he tells me, and I understand it.
It was cool to talk about it, had to talk about it. That doesn't stop the tournament from being awesome.
That's why it's pointless to add more, just play and fun :)

This is not the thread to discuss if ratings are correct to what you think or not. Tiers were done to make "balanced" teams, is not perfect (it cannot be perfect) and you sign up to this.

There is a beautiful tier list that Ciiges did, so you can go there and explain all of this and how you need to be tier x or no tier.





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Re: [CFL - S1] Discussion
« Reply #74 on: April 05, 2021, 05:27:55 pm »
I agree with you and aless, yes it can be ridiculous for some as said aless, but I prefer it take into account tournaments cavalery league and wy not cav gf or make real 1vs1, to just say, that 3 veterans we choose this via their score on cavgf without even knowing the other players and their scores too and not only on cavgf and their knowledge to place people like that on tier 1 2 3 4 on the CFL with no proof, based on something pls, and if so, I don't think who we really cared about with the many cavelery league and other tournament and I understand it, and if they did, i just disagree with certain placement on the CFL tier list if we work with this system. ( I don't like this system of tier I repeat it but i know it's necessary ). It's a opinion like the opinion of aless. The administrator did not have time he tells me, and I understand it.
It was cool to talk about it, had to talk about it. That doesn't stop the tournament from being awesome.
That's why it's pointless to add more, just play and fun :)

This is not the thread to discuss if ratings are correct to what you think or not. Tiers were done to make "balanced" teams, is not perfect (it cannot be perfect) and you sign up to this.

There is a beautiful tier list that Ciiges did, so you can go there and explain all of this and how you need to be tier x or no tier.

Once again I am not talking about this list, i speak about the CFL tier list, just read man, and I am not talking about my own placement but about those to whom it may hurt to be touched without real justification, You understand ? The admin has already answered, I won't repeat myself 50 times if you don't read, I gave an opinion on the CFL tier, not the rest of the other list, that's why I'm talking about it here. If we don't have the right to talk about it, then say it clearly, if I want to talk about it, I talk about it, now stop, as harford said, everyone has an opinion. And we have the right to give it if we find certain things crazy, why we should be silent and let everything be done without saying if we don't be agree if we find that there is no justification, now I understood he explained to me that he had no time, i understand, it's ok and It doesn't start from a bad attention if you would read carefully despite my bad English, just play and fun :)
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