The General Political Thread

[Ambiguous]

Arabs have less claim to the land of Israel than the Jews, that's just a fact.

[Toffee]

It just baffles me how they didn’t just accept the partition agreement with the UN

[McPero]

Arabs and Islam aren’t synonymous

They are in context we are talking about as most of Arabs follow islam. Not that it matters since arabs didn't live in middle east for 2000 years as well.
Now stop being a baby and bring me some real arguments.

In context Arabs are Arabs and have always been Arabs. They’ve been around for thousands of years.

But they were not present elsewhere than in Arabia untill 7th century. And they changed since they embraced islam. It is like considering anceint greeks being same as modern greeks or Italians being same as Romans.

Arabs have less claim to the land of Israel than the Jews, that's just a fact.

Now yes. Not in 1948.

[McPero]

It just baffles me how they didn’t just accept the partition agreement with the UN

Just accept that half of England is ceded to Italy. After all Roman Empire had that land and Romans lived there. Or maybe to give Yorkshire to Danes, their ancestors lived there. Or maybe France they ruled England for centuries all fancy words in your language are basically French. Perhaps entire England should be given back to Celts living in Scotland and Ireland?

[Toffee]

Ethnically ancient Greeks and modern Greeks are the same....they’re all still Greek.

[McPero]

Ethnically ancient Greeks and modern Greeks are the same....they’re all still Greek.

No they are not. Ethnicity, from the Greek word εθνος, is "a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language". They don't speak the same language, dont have same religion... Ethnicity is not genetics. They have been mixing with other peoples so they cant be same. But even if we say they are genetically same what does that have to do with anything, is this middle ages that we give such importance to blood? It is like im 10% black by DNA I can say niㄱㄱa now.

[Voluble123]

Does everyone on the internet have degrees and masters in history and politics or what?

[Toffee]

Does everyone on the internet have degrees and masters in history and politics or what?

Didn’t realise you needed a degree to talk about something

And Mcpero, I don’t want to sidetrack what I was saying, but the point I’m trying to make is that the Jews and Arabs have been around each other for a long time. The Jews have obviously lived in the Middle East for thousands of years and the Arabs have too.

[Riddlez]

Yes. That's why it's called Arabia... I mean the Jewish are really 0-1 behind on the Arabs because of that, but I guess it sounded stupid to call it Jewopia.

[Furrnox]

You mean Judea?

[Edwin]

Possibly the worst attempt at crowd dispersion ever?

[McPero]

Habsburgs and Ottomans at it again.

[Duuring]

Yes. That's why it's called Arabia... I mean the Jewish are really 0-1 behind on the Arabs because of that, but I guess it sounded stupid to call it Jewopia.

In the Dutch language, up until after world war 2, Jews were often called 'Isrealites' (Israëlieten). There even was a regiment in the early 19th century specifically for Jewish soldiers, called the 'Korps der Israëlieten'. I'm quite sure this was frequently done in the English language as well.

1-1.

[DaMonkey]

It's probably highly regional, I'm sure in some dialects Israelite is common. As for my region, reflecting on old historical documents, they pretty consistently use 'Hebrew' instead of Israelite or Jew.

[McPero]

Does everyone on the internet have degrees and masters in history and politics or what?

Didn’t realise you needed a degree to talk about something

And Mcpero, I don’t want to sidetrack what I was saying, but the point I’m trying to make is that the Jews and Arabs have been around each other for a long time. The Jews have obviously lived in the Middle East for thousands of years and the Arabs have too.

Yeah that is true. But that doesn't change the fact that arab-israeli hate started with 20th century. And was caused by UK thinking they can just give land to whoever they want and not some arab intolerance.

And for you lads I don't know why are you discussing these names as every every group of people can call other group whatever they want. And just because something used to be named Judea that doesn't mean someone has the claim to that land just because of name. As that land probably had 100 other names before Judea and populated many other peoples.
But pretty sure throughout history Europeans reffered to jews by theur groups like Ashkenazi jews... And those living in todays Israel were called Hebrew or just simply jews as religion used to be more important as nationality especially in arab world.