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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: December 01, 2014, 06:25:37 pm »

Separatists shooting from BM-21 Grad near houses in Donetsk

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The Mess Hall / Re: Free Artwork. Duuring Porn

« on: November 26, 2014, 10:23:06 pm »

Woops, I used the wrong letter. It was supposed to spell 'Slava'.

слава , sooooo close

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: November 24, 2014, 08:11:14 pm »

Ha, so you are a Russian

Otherwise you would have noticed that Poroshenko's best score was 37.45% in the regions of Vinnytsia, while your pro-russian guy obtained 38.69 in Donetsk, 32.16% in Kharkov, and 36.59% in Lugansk = relative majority in all of those regions.

Yes, but if take all pro-western parties in Vinnytsia - pro-western Poroshenko's 37,45%+ pro-westerns Yatcenyk's 22,41% + pro-western Sadovuj 7, 58%+ pro-western Timoshenko 6.61  = 74, 05% - so all together the majority
Same  with - your pro-russian guy 32.16% in Kharkov+ few points from pro-russian commies - but Poroshenko 15.17 + Yatcenyk 8.13 + Sadovuj 7.49 + Timoshenko 3.88  = 34.67 - almost the same "relative majority", so what?

fascist UPA members

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: November 24, 2014, 07:12:11 pm »

MaxLam, are you a Russian?

2. They don't want the Ukrainian political system.
3. They don't share the same ideals.

Why do you use an old 2012 map?Things changed since then:
Here is the latest 2014 - Opposition block are the prorussian one

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And they take majority there just because pro-westerns goes as separate parties, the do not have even more than 50% in any region
http://vyboryrada2014.pravda.com.ua/ - prorussians are the 4th
http://vyboryrada2014.pravda.com.ua/election/main.html - map if you can operate Ukrainian

The East is nostalgic of the Soviet Union, while the West is nostalgic of the Third Reich

You're an idiot or what?West do not nostalgic of the Third Reich

I was referring to the actual fascists who support this government, the neo-nazis, banderists, and people like that.

Lol, actually nationalists and thos who have ultra- and just right political views do not support this govermrnt much

Can we say that the country is controlled by a fascist junta? Maybe not.

Ofcourse, junta is in Donetsk and Lugansk regions now

UPA aren't fascists(they had nothing to do with Mussolini nor they are nazis

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: November 23, 2014, 05:13:20 pm »

Lol, he sounds like a typical russian vatnique

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: November 23, 2014, 04:41:04 pm »

MarshalKim, are you a Russian?

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: November 16, 2014, 09:24:30 pm »

Sanctions of course, as their economy has some problems at the moment, and they probably fear that (and they really want to have their French battleship). But also the risk of a NATO answer. For example NATO could reinforce its missile shield in Europe, and Russia wouldn't like that, or send more troops in Poland. In retaliation the US could also try to topple the Syrian government in Damascus, or put an end to negotiations with Iran. The second problem for Russia is the possibility to occupy western Ukraine. A great part of the population in western Ukraine, especially in Lviv, really hates Russia, and it would be hard for Putin to maintain order.

They could, but there is problems with such actions like more sanctions or NATO answer - to provide that, it is needed to a lot of country leaders get together, than reach an agreement on the question what to do, then signed this agreement and so on. While at russian side all is easier - one person can decide anything very quickly.
There is no need to occupy it - it will be enough to reach Transnistria

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: November 16, 2014, 09:10:42 pm »

Just because Russia has spent more money doesn't mean they're ready. It might even mean the opposite. The NATO has a far better Air Force and Navy and nearly all are professional militaries, whereas Russia still depends on conscription.

But at least they spend more to make their military better, while western countries decreased their military budgets last years. I'd say better, but not far, and as for second, part of contract soldiers almost the same as conscripts

However, just looking at numbers, the Russian outforce is already outnumbered by just the US Airforce, who mostly uses F-16 and F-22. Adding the rest of the NATO members to that, you're looking at not only a great advantage in numbers, but also a slight edge in equipment quality (Most air forces are modernizing due to the conflict, while Russia has been trying to keep up for years).

hmm...

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Most Spanish Eurofighter jets can't fly: report
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 Only six Eurofighters in Spain's Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) service in bases at Morón de la Frontera and Albacete are currently capable of taking off, according to military insiders. These jets are kept ready to scramble 24 hours a day, year-round, to intercept suspicious aircraft in Spanish airspace.
  The rest of Spain's Eurofighter planes have allegedly been grounded by breakdowns, missing spare parts and queues for inspections after reaching the maximum number of hours in the air.

Defense expert: Germany 'unable to meet NATO commitments'

Large portions of the German military's inventory are out of date and unable to keep up with the competition.

Germany's von der Leyen admits major Bundeswehr shortfalls

 German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen has acknowledged major shortfalls in equipment for the Bundeswehr's military, especially in the air force. She said Germany is unable to deliver its defensive NATO promises.
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The bulk of Germany's air force is currently grounded. Only 42 of 109 Eurofighters are currently ready for service, while 38 of 89 Tornado fighters could take to the skies. Earlier in the week, problems with Sea Lynx helicopters currently serving in the EU's anti-piracy mission off the Horn of Africa became public knowledge, months after the issue was first identified. As for Germany's fleet of C-160 transport planes, just over half - 24 of 43 - are in service;

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And this is Germany, the main EU power

If you're referring to some massive coalition against Russia, as in America plus most of the EU/NATO, I think you're looking a bit too far. For one, I'm pretty sure most of the countries in the EU/NATO are looking to help out with supplies more then to have boots on the ground

Exactly.
As someone said "NATO is 700 mln of people Europe that hopes that 300 mln USA will defend them from 140 mln Russia" 

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: November 16, 2014, 03:21:43 pm »

That's exactly the image he tries to spread - 'I'm ready for war if you force to start me one'. While Russia is definitely not ready for a war with NATO, and neither do the western countries want to start a war.

What made you think, that it is not ready? I doubt that Russia, where propaganda works hard on the anti-EU/NATO/USA direction recently, where army budget was increased since last few years and some modernization provided, which spends a lot on trainings and flying/swimming their units near NATO countries can be definitely not ready. Especially if western countries tries to avoid war.

However they could send a few special units to help the rebels, like NATO countries did in Libya, send weapons and train troops on their own territory.

They could?They already sent, and did all the such stuff.

A full war against Ukraine is very unlikely, and even a limited war (with a limited aim such as sizing Mariupol) is hard to imagine.

Why?What can stop them from it?Sanctions?
Here is lately news:

European Council President Herman Van Rompuy said that at the negotiations with Vladimir Putin the European leaders warned  him that the implementation of the Minsk agreement is the only way out of the crisis.
"As for Ukraine, we reiterated that we strongly support the Minsk agreement, that Russia is not holding on. Although earlier Russian side agreed with the terms of this agreement," - said the politician.
"Minsk agreement - is the only way in order to move forward (in resolving the crisis)," - he said. However, Rompuy says that despite the violations from Russia, European Council are not currently considering tougher sanctions.
"If Russia does not fulfill the agreements, the pressure on Russia will continue in the coming weeks and months. We're not talking about a significant strengthening of the sanctions, but we have to keep the pressure on Russia," - he said.

Lol, how can agreement be the way out of this, if Russia don't give a single shit about it (that is understandable - because there is no reaction to it's vilolations)?

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: November 15, 2014, 07:11:01 pm »

Putin fears war just as much. He wants to achieve as much as he can without firing a shot - Which is why war might actually be necessary.

The problem is, of course, that NATO memberstates are democracies, and democracies always try to avoid war because it's near impossible to convince 'the people' its justified when power and media are so polarized. A state that is in firm control of power and imposes heavy bans on free media (Like Russia), can easily lie to its citizens. That being said, while many support Putin and defending Russian minorities in other countries, only a minority actually support war.

I'd not say as much, at least he looks more prepared to this. And while maybe really only a minority actually support war, in case if it will goes that way, their propaganda is strong enough to convince majority that it was "necessary"(like with sanctions and counter-sanctions - while russians suffers from it, majority support or at least justify it, because believes that Europe/USA suffers much more than they(although maybe its true, i do not know )

By the way, top topic in Ukraine now not only conflict, but also sad state of our economy. Exchange rate of USD to UAH was 1 to ~8 before Maidan begins, increased to 1 to 12-13 after it ends and Russian invasion begins, kept at such rate until parliament elections was held - and since start of November increased to 1 to 15-16. For today official NBU rate is 1 to 1541.2417, 1 to 16-17+ on unofficial black market (because its the only place where you can really buy USD cash). If things will goes worse, it can jump up to 1 to 20.
Default is near

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: November 13, 2014, 09:48:29 pm »

NATO doesn't fear Russia. It fears war, because war, as no-one will disagree, sucks.

It fears war with Russia. And Putin knows that, so he can escalate situation as much as he needs without any serious answer on this, like:
NATO - NATO says Russian military equipment entering east Ukraine
Russia - Russian Defense Ministry denies the information presented by the representative of the NATO about the alleged military invading to Ukraine from Russia
NATO - what it will do in this situation?probably nothing except deep concerning.

And not only regarding Ukraine, since last few month like almost 100 times Russian planes was intercepted near EU countries. And by "intercepting" means they were escorted till lived the area, nothing more. So they will continue to fly as long as they need it.

Seeing all this actions that Russia can afford and what are they doing, and what reaction they gets for this, looks like Russia demonstrates its power, and NATO demonstrates its weakness. And reading all this recent news about that part of German and Spain Eurofigthers just can't fly, maybe it is not really that powerful to handle conflict with Russia, especially such hybrid wars?

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: November 13, 2014, 07:04:30 pm »

If it weren't for the ceasefire, I'd say Nato should roll in there and fuck Russia over, then get "lost" like Russia did in Crimea and accidentally march into Moscow.

Lol, NATO sucks, it does not want, can not, so will not do anything here. All feared Russia and feared go in to war with it, so will try to solve it by other ways to the very end.

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Off Topic / Re: Scottish Independence

« on: September 20, 2014, 07:54:00 pm »

They got rketd by democracy

Because there were no "polite people" when referendum was held 

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: September 09, 2014, 10:04:40 pm »

Lol ISIS said they would destroy Russia, so yea I think the entire world will focus on ISIS now.  Glad there is this ceasefire and the separatists released the Ukranian prisoners, one step forward

Ceasefire is over already.

No, it isn't canceled yet, although it was violated several times already.

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: August 30, 2014, 10:25:55 pm »

NATO together is enough to force Russia down.

Yes, but it will be very hard to get all members to the same decision. Especially to force Russia down, or even to real answer for their actions, because someone has dependency from their gas, someone still needs to sell Mistral ships, someone just do not want to anger them. So there will be enough one country to say no for doing something, like deploy bases in Eastern Europe states, or start Ukraine-NATO partnership and it can never happen.

The average soldier from an EU nation is better trained than a Russian one. Same with the Americans.

But he and NATO forces in general  more limited in actions by international law, treaties, agreements etc., and can't afford things like Russia do - illegal supplies of weapon, send forces without insignia to other country, bombard it etc. and then say "it wasn't us" etc.
Things changed since 1999, and Ukraine aren't Yugoslavia.

Turks has much more closer and serious issues with Syria and IDIL to care about.