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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: January 15, 2015, 07:23:49 pm »

Appears some videos from Volnovakha
Shelling near the block-post

Explosion from dashcam (started from ~1:10)

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: January 13, 2015, 08:33:01 pm »

In the end I really hope there will be a peace that respects the right for self-determination.

When Russia respects Ukraine's right for self-determination as a sovereign European state, possible future member of EU and NATO -  it will be
However, doubt it will ever do this.

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: January 13, 2015, 07:09:38 pm »

What you could explain me? That i didn't see all this tweets and posts, first how did they got  the BUK missile, how did they shot down UA-planes before, and how did they shot "AN-26" on that day? Or get provide me some version with photoshoped SU-25?Indeed, better not.

Of course Ukraine did it. They fired a rocket at a bus from miiiiiles away, realized it hit the bus, entered Separatist territory, somehow managed to drag away a half-destroyed bus away without the Separatists noticing anything or the Ukrainians losing a man and then made put the video in scene just to have a another piece of bad news about the Separatists that nobody but them really cares about anyway.

It's clear as day.

Their main version probably is that bus was shot by drunk UA soldiers at blockpost

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: January 13, 2015, 06:50:25 pm »

All this looks exactly like the MH-117 incident beginning - first russian scum proudly reported how they shot down AN-26 "for flying in our sky(c)", and when it turned out that it was civilian Boeing - "it wasn't us!it was fasci-nazi Poroshenko itself" and starts to clean all their reports and tweets, feverishly creating their own muddled versions.
Nothing new.

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: January 13, 2015, 06:40:35 pm »

because
1. Bus were shelled near UA-controled block-post near Ua-controled city of Volnovaha
2. Right before the incident russian media and social-media has proudly reported that they have been destroyed UA block-post near Volnovaha

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3. "I very much doubt that we could have hit anything as far away as Volnovakha from our positions," Donetsk separatist co-leader Andrei Purgin told AFP by telephone." - he's lying, because the closes sep-controlled city Dokuchaevsk is quite near it(see Duuring's map)

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: January 13, 2015, 06:12:41 pm »

Here is the video (18+)

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Turin Turambar, you asked for it - here you go

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: January 05, 2015, 06:15:21 pm »

Isn't that one of those anarchist flags?

Motto on the flag are the last entries of The Niceno–Constantinopolitan Creed:
Ча́ю воскресе́ния ме́ртвых. [Looking for the resurrection of the dead;]
И жи́зни бу́дущаго ве́ка. Ами́нь. [And the life of the world to come. Amen]

This have nothing to do with anarchists.
 

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: December 27, 2014, 10:20:45 pm »

but according to some novorussian twitter posts

lol
so it's a lie

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: December 20, 2014, 09:16:42 am »

lies economy has grown under Putin and he assures in 2 years the world will need more energy. You cannot stop us only delay us.

lol, what? didn't you heard about the latest depreciation of the ruble?
http://mfd.ru/currency/?currency=USD&currencyCompare=&from=01.11.2013&till=
Ruble became the weakest currency in the world, they lost like 48% of value since start of the year, it is even more than our hryvnia for now(we on a second place)

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: December 14, 2014, 05:09:00 pm »

It's written on this old JS-3
They must have found it in a museum.

A lot of an old stuff used there now
i.e. good old Maxim gun in the airport

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Off Topic / Re: FSE Currency Swap

« on: December 14, 2014, 10:21:39 am »

Can we change this into a general coin appreciation thread?

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Have small collection of mostly EU 90s coins, however they are in one exemplar, probably except few USSR coins, that might be multiplied

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: December 12, 2014, 07:13:16 pm »

Turin Turambar,
No, it would not have been ok in any case, but this tragedy is a result of armed conflict, which largely was provoked and started by prorussian-side as well, with police inactions/wrong actions, with many ambiguous and strange events that led into this(what is very much beneficial for someone ), that should be investigated properly; and should not take this as some directed "fascist" action

Ok, back to topic:

Today's parade of Russian ArmyLPR militia in Krasnyi Luch city, which in an amazing way coincided with the day of the Russian constitution

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: December 11, 2014, 09:11:39 pm »

Are you trying to say that RT is lying and that Ukrainian fascists didn't set fire to the trade union building?

If take literally like you said - than yes, off course. They provide this material like "bloody ukrainian fascists from RS came to Odessa special for  burning down holy harmless russians", which is lie.
http://tinyurl.com/m3yqfcn - here's more objective link right from the place, where you can see armed pro-russians, including guns(the very first victims of the tragedy was shotted pro-ukrainians; colorads were pretty well ready to beat the ukrainians - they know that fans will come on match and boasted in social networks before it that 'they gonna beat the shit out of ukrops'), their cooperation with police and some more interesting things that RT will never tells you. Because RT is basically made for lying in order to russian propaganda.

So, if you start to shoot other people from guns and want to beat them, you may except they will resist, they may throw rocks and molotov's and it may turn in such a tragedy. Same with Volyn, that you and Augy mentioned, he talks about 'Ukrainian insurgent army that killed and tortured 100,000 Polish and burned their villages down. Their goal was to wipe the whole area clean of all polish influence.' But somehow he didn't mention that thousands of Ukrainians died as well in the same way during that, that same actions were made by Poles in 1944-1945 relatively to ukrainian villages, also about aggressive politic of assimilation, pacification and harassment of ukrainians that were held before in this and surrounding lands. This could easily lead to such a tragedy resist, especially in time of WWII with available third parties that were not against the conflict.

Historian Mark B.Tauger has proved that the Soviet government never tried to kill millions of Ukrainian for whatever reason.

Reasons can be easily founded, if know what happens before and after the Holodomor. Btw, author of term 'genocide' define Holodomor as it.

Ukrainian "fascists and neo-nazis" - btw it is majority of Ukrainians who define its as genocide - hardly uses its to excuse their own crimes. Ukraine never denied f.e. Volyn, made "round tables" with historians about this problem, acts of reconciliation  etc. and working to find out more about this - reasons and aftermath. While Commies, than RF never wanted to do anything except denying.

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: December 10, 2014, 08:34:43 pm »

http://rt.com/news/156532-odessa-ukraine-brutal-attack/

are you kidding me?can you find something more objective source than RT?

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Off Topic / Re: Ukraine

« on: December 10, 2014, 08:03:40 pm »

lol
nothing changes in this disscusion