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Re: RGL - Regimental Groupfighting League (Season 3)
« Reply #195 on: July 27, 2016, 12:37:01 am »
How does the rule regarding the ref going onto a ts to check if either regiment have invites get enforced? just wondering cus it seems our first 2 matches will be/have been reffed by a member of the opposite reg :p not saying any would use invites but im just wondering more out of interest

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Re: RGL - Regimental Groupfighting League (Season 3)
« Reply #196 on: July 27, 2016, 01:37:04 am »
How does the rule regarding the ref going onto a ts to check if either regiment have invites get enforced? just wondering cus it seems our first 2 matches will be/have been reffed by a member of the opposite reg :p not saying any would use invites but im just wondering more out of interest

When you agree that a referee who is in the regiment of your opponent, you always have the risk that they might use invites. Of course you can go and look at the teamspeak yourself and if you bring evidence that they used invites in the match, the invite will be banned for the entire RGL Season and the referee will be kicked out of the referee staff, because we expect him to prevent any of the two regiment using invites. I recommend to you if you feel unsafe to take a referee that is not from the opposing regiment, even tho I don't think that that would be necessary.

Edit: If you play against a regiment that uses historical names you have the right to insist that the referee checks their teamspeak and/or check it yourself.
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Re: RGL - Regimental Groupfighting League (Season 3)
« Reply #197 on: July 27, 2016, 03:00:20 am »
How does the rule regarding the ref going onto a ts to check if either regiment have invites get enforced? just wondering cus it seems our first 2 matches will be/have been reffed by a member of the opposite reg :p not saying any would use invites but im just wondering more out of interest

When you agree that a referee who is in the regiment of your opponent, you always have the risk that they might use invites. Of course you can go and look at the teamspeak yourself and if you bring evidence that they used invites in the match, the invite will be banned for the entire RGL Season and the referee will be kicked out of the referee staff, because we expect him to prevent any of the two regiment using invites. I recommend to you if you feel unsafe to take a referee that is not from the opposing regiment, even tho I don't think that that would be necessary.

Edit: If you play against a regiment that uses historical names you have the right to insist that the referee checks their teamspeak and/or check it yourself.

If a regiment uses invites both the regiment and the invite should be punished as both are aware that they are breaking the rules. I think it is only fair that if an invite is used, then they are disallowed from further participating in the RGL (as you suggested) but also the regiment who used the invite, should automatically lose the match in which they played the invite 0-20. That way there is a deterrent on both ends.

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Re: RGL - Regimental Groupfighting League (Season 3)
« Reply #198 on: July 27, 2016, 09:47:55 am »
How does the rule regarding the ref going onto a ts to check if either regiment have invites get enforced? just wondering cus it seems our first 2 matches will be/have been reffed by a member of the opposite reg :p not saying any would use invites but im just wondering more out of interest

When you agree that a referee who is in the regiment of your opponent, you always have the risk that they might use invites. Of course you can go and look at the teamspeak yourself and if you bring evidence that they used invites in the match, the invite will be banned for the entire RGL Season and the referee will be kicked out of the referee staff, because we expect him to prevent any of the two regiment using invites. I recommend to you if you feel unsafe to take a referee that is not from the opposing regiment, even tho I don't think that that would be necessary.

Edit: If you play against a regiment that uses historical names you have the right to insist that the referee checks their teamspeak and/or check it yourself.

If a regiment uses invites both the regiment and the invite should be punished as both are aware that they are breaking the rules. I think it is only fair that if an invite is used, then they are disallowed from further participating in the RGL (as you suggested) but also the regiment who used the invite, should automatically lose the match in which they played the invite 0-20. That way there is a deterrent on both ends.
Thank you added to rules :)

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Re: RGL - Regimental Groupfighting League (Season 3)
« Reply #199 on: July 27, 2016, 11:24:24 am »
Ye all sounds good. Felt it was a bit of a grey area so thought I'd ask. Doubt it will ever happen but you never know :p

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Re: RGL - Regimental Groupfighting League (Season 3)
« Reply #200 on: July 27, 2016, 12:53:04 pm »
How does the rule regarding the ref going onto a ts to check if either regiment have invites get enforced? just wondering cus it seems our first 2 matches will be/have been reffed by a member of the opposite reg :p not saying any would use invites but im just wondering more out of interest

When you agree that a referee who is in the regiment of your opponent, you always have the risk that they might use invites. Of course you can go and look at the teamspeak yourself and if you bring evidence that they used invites in the match, the invite will be banned for the entire RGL Season and the referee will be kicked out of the referee staff, because we expect him to prevent any of the two regiment using invites. I recommend to you if you feel unsafe to take a referee that is not from the opposing regiment, even tho I don't think that that would be necessary.

Edit: If you play against a regiment that uses historical names you have the right to insist that the referee checks their teamspeak and/or check it yourself.

If a regiment uses invites both the regiment and the invite should be punished as both are aware that they are breaking the rules. I think it is only fair that if an invite is used, then they are disallowed from further participating in the RGL (as you suggested) but also the regiment who used the invite, should automatically lose the match in which they played the invite 0-20. That way there is a deterrent on both ends.

Indeed. Why not try to cheat and use an invite when there is no risk of punishment if getting caught. It has happened before and will again unless regs face the risk of getting kicked out

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Re: RGL - Regimental Groupfighting League (Season 3)
« Reply #201 on: July 27, 2016, 01:33:35 pm »
Obviously every case is different. It is our job to determine wether the regiment itself is responsible or not. As a former CO in a regiment who participated in those types of leagues before, I can say that it's pretty difficult to keep track of every member of the regiment. When the regiment knows about some of their people being invites and use them to get considerably large advantage over their enemy, they, of course, will be punished with an instant 0-20.


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Re: RGL - Regimental Groupfighting League (Season 3)
« Reply #202 on: July 27, 2016, 04:10:15 pm »
Obviously every case is different. It is our job to determine wether the regiment itself is responsible or not. As a former CO in a regiment who participated in those types of leagues before, I can say that it's pretty difficult to keep track of every member of the regiment. When the regiment knows about some of their people being invites and use them to get considerably large advantage over their enemy, they, of course, will be punished with an instant 0-20.

With all due respect, when I'm leading in competitive matches, I know exactly who is in my TS channel and which of those members are in game. Invites don't 'accidently' get played. I really can't see a scenario in which the regiment leader would play an invite and not know that they were an invite. This should be a blanket rule, because by doing what you are suggest and allowing human error to play a role in the determined punishment which the regiment receives for using invites, you are essentially creating a loophole, which makes the whole rule null and void.
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Re: RGL - Regimental Groupfighting League (Season 3)
« Reply #203 on: July 27, 2016, 04:33:01 pm »
Obviously every case is different. It is our job to determine wether the regiment itself is responsible or not. As a former CO in a regiment who participated in those types of leagues before, I can say that it's pretty difficult to keep track of every member of the regiment. When the regiment knows about some of their people being invites and use them to get considerably large advantage over their enemy, they, of course, will be punished with an instant 0-20.

With all due respect, when I'm leading in competitive matches, I know exactly who is in my TS channel and which of those members are in game. Invites don't 'accidently' get played. I really can't see a scenario in which the regiment leader would play an invite and not know that they were an invite. This should be a blanket rule, because by doing what you are suggest and allowing human error to play a role in the determined punishment which the regiment receives for using invites, you are essentially creating a loophole, which makes the whole rule null and void.
Agreed, it's really not hard seeing who of your guys is playing and unless someone deliberately takes the name of a member and plays under that name you should always know who is an invite and who not.

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Re: RGL - Regimental Groupfighting League (Season 3)
« Reply #204 on: July 27, 2016, 05:25:05 pm »
Obviously every case is different. It is our job to determine wether the regiment itself is responsible or not. As a former CO in a regiment who participated in those types of leagues before, I can say that it's pretty difficult to keep track of every member of the regiment. When the regiment knows about some of their people being invites and use them to get considerably large advantage over their enemy, they, of course, will be punished with an instant 0-20.

With all due respect, when I'm leading in competitive matches, I know exactly who is in my TS channel and which of those members are in game. Invites don't 'accidently' get played. I really can't see a scenario in which the regiment leader would play an invite and not know that they were an invite. This should be a blanket rule, because by doing what you are suggest and allowing human error to play a role in the determined punishment which the regiment receives for using invites, you are essentially creating a loophole, which makes the whole rule null and void.
Agreed, it's really not hard seeing who of your guys is playing and unless someone deliberately takes the name of a member and plays under that name you should always know who is an invite and who not.

Invites yes...double reggers are a different situation.

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Re: RGL - Regimental Groupfighting League (Season 3)
« Reply #205 on: July 27, 2016, 05:50:23 pm »
Obviously every case is different. It is our job to determine wether the regiment itself is responsible or not. As a former CO in a regiment who participated in those types of leagues before, I can say that it's pretty difficult to keep track of every member of the regiment. When the regiment knows about some of their people being invites and use them to get considerably large advantage over their enemy, they, of course, will be punished with an instant 0-20.

With all due respect, when I'm leading in competitive matches, I know exactly who is in my TS channel and which of those members are in game. Invites don't 'accidently' get played. I really can't see a scenario in which the regiment leader would play an invite and not know that they were an invite. This should be a blanket rule, because by doing what you are suggest and allowing human error to play a role in the determined punishment which the regiment receives for using invites, you are essentially creating a loophole, which makes the whole rule null and void.
Agreed, it's really not hard seeing who of your guys is playing and unless someone deliberately takes the name of a member and plays under that name you should always know who is an invite and who not.

Invites yes...double reggers are a different situation.

Thats why no reg should allow them

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Re: RGL - Regimental Groupfighting League (Season 3)
« Reply #206 on: July 27, 2016, 06:30:26 pm »
Even if no would, you wouldnt find out about everytime when one of your guys is doubleregging in any Regiment, thats really hard to controll.

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Re: RGL - Regimental Groupfighting League (Season 3)
« Reply #207 on: July 27, 2016, 06:40:17 pm »
Only way is that players of reg give number thingy to col and cols give it to organisator and then he can check.

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Re: RGL - Regimental Groupfighting League (Season 3)
« Reply #208 on: July 27, 2016, 07:55:04 pm »
on short notice we had to reschedule our match

Who against Who: 66pp vs 6te Garde
Date: 07/08
Time: 7pm BST
Referee (If chosen): Wüstenfuchs

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Re: RGL - Regimental Groupfighting League (Season 3)
« Reply #209 on: July 27, 2016, 08:55:40 pm »
Even if no would, you wouldnt find out about everytime when one of your guys is doubleregging in any Regiment, thats really hard to controll.