Favorite War to Learn About

[Riddlez]

There is never a good or a bad, its just different perspectives of events. Anyone who tells you a certain side is bad or evil is incredibly narrow-minded.

Indeed, But Riddlez never suggested as such.

[Killington]

WW1: Clearly, Germany and allies = bad, rest: Good

I might be (probably am, history isn't really my strong point) wrong, but from what I learned in school, there wasn't really a bad or good side in WW1. Sure the central powers declared war first but the entente side was the one that assassinated Franz Ferdinand. I was under the impression that WW1 was more of a "this is what happens when you have big alliances of very nationalist empires" kind of thing.


DISCLAIMER: I make no claims of historical genius, I'm likely wrong

[Archduke Sven]

There is never a good or a bad, its just different perspectives of events. Anyone who tells you a certain side is bad or evil is incredibly narrow-minded.

Indeed, But Riddlez never suggested as such.

Nah, not directed towards you, just a grneral statement

[Doctor Scherzando]

WW1: Clearly, Germany and allies = bad, rest: Good

I might be (probably am, history isn't really my strong point) wrong, but from what I learned in school, there wasn't really a bad or good side in WW1. Sure the central powers declared war first but the entente side was the one that assassinated Franz Ferdinand. I was under the impression that WW1 was more of a "this is what happens when you have big alliances of very nationalist empires" kind of thing.


DISCLAIMER: I make no claims of historical genius, I'm likely wrong

The Entente did not kill the Archduke, that was a pan-slavic group, located in Serbia. The Russians simply answered their Slavic brethren's call for help against the Austrians, and through a chain of secret alliances, France and Britain were dragged into the war. It was interesting, because apparently most Austrians didn't even really know/care about Ferdinand. Most people believe that the Austrians just used the assassination as an excuse to take Serbia, even though the Serbians weren't actually directly involved.

[William]

I thought ww1 was started because the great powers of the world were just wanting to slit each other's throats, and thus, the assassination was the spark that ignited the gasoline which caused a chain reaction.

[Mr T]

Nope, an immediate cause was Archduke Ferdinand being assassinated by Serbian nationalists. In reply Austro-Hungary was going to invade Serbia but Russia saw itself as the protector of Serbia. Russia did not want a war but thought if it partially mobilised the size of its army would scare the Austro-Hungarians off. But Germany, who was allied to Austro-Hungary, had its Schiefflen plan which dictated that if Russia mobilised then Germany would mobilise and invade France and Russia, so when Russia mobilised Germany told them to stop but only waited a couple days for a reply and went to war.

[TORN]

WW1: Clearly, Germany and allies = bad, rest: Good

I might be (probably am, history isn't really my strong point) wrong, but from what I learned in school, there wasn't really a bad or good side in WW1. Sure the central powers declared war first but the entente side was the one that assassinated Franz Ferdinand. I was under the impression that WW1 was more of a "this is what happens when you have big alliances of very nationalist empires" kind of thing.


DISCLAIMER: I make no claims of historical genius, I'm likely wrong

The Entente did not kill the Archduke, that was a pan-slavic group, located in Serbia. The Russians simply answered their Slavic brethren's call for help against the Austrians, and through a chain of secret alliances, France and Britain were dragged into the war. It was interesting, because apparently most Austrians didn't even really know/care about Ferdinand. Most people believe that the Austrians just used the assassination as an excuse to take Serbia, even though the Serbians weren't actually directly involved.

Britian and France had no alliances. Germany declared war on France and Britian declared war on Germany because they invaded neutral Belgium.

[Mr T]

Actually they were, the fact that France was allied with Russia and Britain led to Britain allying with Russia in 1907

[Archduke Sven]

Torn...

Have you never heard of the Entente? It was an Alliance between France and UK signed in 190(2 or 5, bad memory).

And France and Russia had been allied since the late 1800's. I hope Belgian schools didn't actually teach you that.

[TORN]

Britian didn't declare war because of some alliance. But because they had Belgium under their protection. Germany declared war on Belgium because we declined them to move troops through our lands because that would break our neutrallity. Since they invaded Belgium, UK declared war on Germany.

[Archduke Sven]

Germany declaring war on Belgium was only part of the reason why UK decided to go to war on August the first, only 5 days after Austria declared war on Serbia and only 3 (?) after Germany went to war with Russia.

Also you said UK AND France, whereas both clearly had alliances.

[TORN]

Germany declaring war on Belgium was only part of the reason why UK decided to go to war on August the first, only 5 days after Austria declared war on Serbia and only 3 (?) after Germany went to war with Russia.

Also you said UK AND France, whereas both clearly had alliances.

Germany declared war on Belgium because we didn't allow them to move their troops.

Belgium as a neutral country we couldn't allow it. Because of Germany invading Belgium UK declared war on Germany.
Don't tell me otherwise. I'm 100% sure about this.

[Archduke Sven]

Well yes i explained briefly why UK went to war, there were several long term causes that pushed UK to war, Belgium was only the most immediate cause. If there weren't any other reasons the UK wouldn't bother to help Belgium. Well thats my hypothesis, and is quite logical according to me.

[TORN]

Well yes i explained briefly why UK went to war, there were several long term causes that pushed UK to war, Belgium was only the most immediate cause. If there weren't any other reasons the UK wouldn't bother to help Belgium. Well thats my hypothesis, and is quite logical according to me.

Not really because since belgium gained independance France and United Kingdom signed a treaty to protect Belgium's neutrallity. Surely there were other reasons. But Britian would've still helped.

[Archduke Sven]

Well, i would type a long reply but im on my phone and im about to, ironicly, to Brussels.

Long story short, you have some valid points but i do not agree.