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Re: Fascisme, Communism, Socialism, Capitalism
« Reply #255 on: April 26, 2013, 09:16:11 am »
He, thr Netherlands should be in that list too, damned!

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« Reply #256 on: April 26, 2013, 07:10:59 pm »
Good ol' Capitalism. Conservatism with a bit of liberalism.

Communism is the worst, the absolute worst. Nothing can be worse.

I support some social stuff like, Universal health care, financial help for unemployed people but here in France we give way too much, and some people live with the government's money instead of finding a job.

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Re: Fascisme, Communism, Socialism, Capitalism
« Reply #257 on: April 26, 2013, 07:14:18 pm »
Good ol' Capitalism. Conservatism with a bit of liberalism.

Communism is the worst, the absolute worst. Nothing can be worse.

I support some social stuff like, Universal health care, financial help for unemployed people but here in France we give way too much, and some people live with the government's money instead of finding a job.

In the UK it's possible to get more money from leeching off of the government than from a minimum wage job. No wonder the UK is in such a mess.

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Re: Fascisme, Communism, Socialism, Capitalism
« Reply #258 on: April 26, 2013, 07:19:48 pm »
Good ol' Capitalism. Conservatism with a bit of liberalism.

Communism is the worst, the absolute worst. Nothing can be worse.

I support some social stuff like, Universal health care, financial help for unemployed people but here in France we give way too much, and some people live with the government's money instead of finding a job.

In the UK it's possible to get more money from leeching off of the government than from a minimum wage job. No wonder the UK is in such a mess.

That. Lots of unemployed immigrants from the Middle East and Africa camping in the United Kingdom and sucking all of the subsidies.

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Re: Fascisme, Communism, Socialism, Capitalism
« Reply #259 on: April 26, 2013, 07:20:32 pm »
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« Reply #260 on: April 26, 2013, 07:34:08 pm »
That. Lots of unemployed immigrants from the Middle East and Africa camping in the United Kingdom and sucking all of the subsidies.

Yeah, same situation here, the government is way too cool about financial helps (Moreover we've got a socialist government -_-')

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Re: Fascisme, Communism, Socialism, Capitalism
« Reply #261 on: April 26, 2013, 10:19:03 pm »
In NL the financial help is an absolute minimum, and you have to make two job applications a month (at least) in order to get it. No apps, no money.

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« Reply #262 on: April 26, 2013, 11:49:59 pm »
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Re: Fascisme, Communism, Socialism, Capitalism
« Reply #265 on: June 05, 2013, 12:51:55 am »
Good ol' Capitalism. Conservatism with a bit of liberalism.

Communism is the worst, the absolute worst. Nothing can be worse.

I support some social stuff like, Universal health care, financial help for unemployed people but here in France we give way too much, and some people live with the government's money instead of finding a job.

In the UK it's possible to get more money from leeching off of the government than from a minimum wage job. No wonder the UK is in such a mess.

That. Lots of unemployed immigrants from the Middle East and Africa camping in the United Kingdom and sucking all of the subsidies.

Rampant in Major Cities, infact you can do this in most Democratic states that use any kinds of subsidies. But you'll find it mainly consolidated to the most major of the cities and the further out you go the less it becomes.

But you'd be more than suprised if you met people on job seekers or benifits how much of a stigma it is, you get bunched like sheep into this "Hell of the country" conglomerate that is looked down upon by anyone who has a job. Its a very horrible place to be socially. But the people I met whilst I was unemployed were constantly looking for work, they were all nice people but constantly under pressure from all sides to get a job ... which genuinely wern't there and as you say its actually more benificial financially to stay on benifits.

So how does capitalism work? it cannot provide work for everyone AND it hands money to those who can't NO MATTER your country. Britain is an example but it happens in the rest of Europe too.

Capitalism works for the minority NOT the Majority, unfortuantly that minority are "In Power" or look down on those of the majority as second class citizens.

In NL the financial help is an absolute minimum, and you have to make two job applications a month (at least) in order to get it. No apps, no money.

Been there done that ... its the same in Britain ... But now you'll find also having to have "Check ups" every week to provide evidence AND now are forced to attend "Training sessions" on applying for work AND now have to work with a second "Job centre" that assists with constant looking for jobs.

Afterall "Job Seeking" IS a Job.

Done that for 3 years, had my current job for a Year ... it takes a lot of effort for school leavers right now to get anywhere, i'm constantly handing out job adverts to friends before they leave their school now to try get them somewhere before its too late and get stuck in that social rut.

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Re: Fascisme, Communism, Socialism, Capitalism
« Reply #266 on: June 06, 2013, 05:02:21 am »
To be fair, when you speak with the homeless and hang out with them, you really begin to doubt an economic system grounded in purely capitalist values. You begin thanking the government for food stamps for individuals in such a situation when you visit countries where you simply starve if you lack money.

Communism is too based in Kant's ideology to be true, because we don't act out of duty alone. We as humans have ulterior motives of desire that drive our actions, and while we should do things because it is our duty to do them, it isn't always the case that we'll act with duty as a motivator, or if we'll act in accordance with duty at all.

Any government that provides support for their citizens (ie basic necessities, shelter, food, and clothes) should be considered a good one. It only promotes laziness if you enable those individuals to get everything they desire from the government, as this eliminates any desires that must be fulfilled. Thusly, the basic needs should be addressed (lest the citizen die) while luxuries remain in the hands of those who work, as a motivation for further work (though in reality, a job should be the end, rather than the money you make from it).

I'll also note that in reality, we can be harsh/ruthless towards one another. An unrestrained capitalist system allows this to occur en masse. America's Gilded Age, or the Industrial Revolution in Europe, should be enough of an example for you.