Most elite fighting forces of history From the beginning of time-19th Century

[Duuring]

Patton was a great admirer of the SS too.

Needless to say, they were the bad guys, and they choose to be. SS'ers were, unless I'm very much mistaken, all volunteers.

Oh zac, come on, why does it pains you to say that?

[zac]

because the Waffen SS werent all nazis as such, many were consripted and there were even Muslim SS , the waffen SS contained people from epractiaclly every nation the german took,,even australians, japanese etc and i , when it come to ww2 atleast beleive the Nazis an the USSR to be on pretty much the same level, the thing that got the nazis is that they wished to wip out a race, and the fact that victors always write thehistory books, the russians killed more than the nazis ever killed which, although im not going to show them, u can see the numbers anywhere as both pro russian and anti russian souces show this. But history is history and thats what i love, i really do think that when we look at the end of the war it makes no sence, from the positioning of the troops and the crazy speeches about weapons such as Die Glocke, i beleive that ww2 at the moment is very much like the former conventional view of the napoleonic wars, by such i mean that we always were tought and beleive that the war was between a peacefull britian and an evil france,and tht waterloo was won by britain alone etc but as we know today that was not what it was, im not obsessed with the Nazis of this era ad i dont endorse much of their ideology,come on im catholic, but i would like to reasearch into them and see the allied myth of all germans during the war were nazis removed. Ive done alot of work into this area and while many may think im some kind of nazi worshipper all im really tring to do is look past the lies, im not a holochasut denyier or anything im currently looking into german Wunderwaffe.


sorry for any spelling/grammer errors but its 5:25am and ive had no sleep :

[Duuring]

Just because other guys killed more doesn't the way of SS any better. The SS, besides fighting in the front like men, killed civilians, unarmed men, and guarded the death camps.
The SS-einsatzgruppe were the worst. The Waffen-SS was also a fully voluntary unit, not conscripted.

,come on im catholic,

And I'm an atheist. Does that have anything to do with it?

My final is that the (waffen)-SS were indeed an elite unit of the German army...but they were largely also war criminals

[zac]

Just because other guys killed more doesn't the way of SS any better. The SS, besides fighting in the front like men, killed civilians, unarmed men, and guarded the death camps.
The SS-einsatzgruppe were the worst. The Waffen-SS was also a fully voluntary unit, not conscripted.

,come on im catholic,

And I'm an atheist. Does that have anything to do with it?

My final is that the (waffen)-SS were indeed an elite unit of the German army...but they were largely also war criminals

u get there is a differense between the SS and waffen SS  " killed civilians, unarmed men, and guarded the death camps." waffen SS generally, mayby an odd case,didnt guard the camps,  many of the guards didnt actually want to be there and wee normally penal like batallions or members of the Volksturm , the russians killed civilians, inarmed men, women and children and ran there own death camps in Siberia, of which less than 10percent of all soldiers sent ever came back. some units of the waffen ss were conscripted near the end of the war.

and by me being a catholic, im not tyring to assault anywone ut if u had basic knowlege of catholic/christian scripture u would know that the 2, nazi and christianity are incompatibly as , Martin Borman said. The point i made about christian was rather important if u know what is in the chatichism etc, anyway i belive that if we continue this the thread could get locked, as its not only off topic but im pretty sure u can guess what could happen etc.


Anyway as said before i belive The polish lancers to be an elite unit, after the NW one of the first reforms the british do is install lancer regiments and convert many light dragoon regiments to lancers, and mainly because of the impact they french polish lancers had on the field, even theri type of uniofmr was adopted by the british etc

[Duuring]

I would love to say the Red lancers were an elite unit...but they weren't. 

[König]

Actually Duuring, during the later stages of the war, many people were conscripted into the Waffen-SS. The Estonian 20th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS, is one example. Many of it's members, especially as the war progressed, were not volunteers.

But anyways, back on topic. Yeah, the Polish lancers were pretty elite.

[Jacob]

The Russian Hand Mortar troops or whatever they were

[zac]

The Russian Hand Mortar troops or whatever they were

ahh seen those,,would be fun to shoot,, my group has a blunderbuss and that things got recoil

[Hekko]

You guys seem to be dragging in equipment into the equation again with the Waffen SS, as I said earlier that would put the US navy as the most lite fighting force.

[Craig]

[Bluehawk]

The Waffen-SS were poorly equipped initially and relied on captured equipment and privately-purchased weapons, because the Heer had zero-respect for them. They were little more than Himmler's pet project of nutcases and fanatics better suited to the street-fighting of their SA ancestors than the battlefield. They were especially deficient in artillery. They didn't earn that respect or acquire state funding and equipment until after the invasion of France. Their effectiveness in those early campaigns came solely from their willingness to take heavy casualties and continue with their objectives regardless - not because they were better fighters.

The Waffen-SS divisions on average committed more atrocities than their Heer counterparts - on some occasions by order. Catholicism as you understand it may be incompatible with National Socialism, but many German Catholics at the time would have disagreed, and at least 40 percent of the SS were Catholic. At any rate, the state preferred soldiers to be only "Gottglaubekeit" - god-fearing but unaffiliated with a church. Without Jesus or the Pope, he would have only one master to follow.

[Hawke]

British Redcoats... 
Also, the Iron Brigade of the West in the ACW.

[zac]

BRITISH REDCOATS!!!!

[Duuring]

BRITISH REDCOATS!!!!

Meh.

[zac]

ok,, DUTCH MILITIA 1815!!!!