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Offline Evanovic

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The reality of the 91st Donations
« on: October 06, 2013, 03:59:00 pm »
You'll finally hear it from the other point of view.
 
You have to realise that Tavington has spent 1000s of £s over the years to set-up, maintain and upgrade the 91st servers - a fundament to all major regiments.
 
By this reasoning, 91st's Costs = Tavington's Costs.
 
Tavington may have taken excess donations, the odd 10-20 euros, but the truth of the matter is that he has made a huge net financial loss on the regiment.
 
Tavington also made it very clear when advertising donations that he 'spent a lot of money himself on server costs, and is looking for some financial support to help keep the servers going'. So it was pretty damned clear that when 91st members donated to the regiment they'd be donating to Tavington, in essence: helping Tav help 91st.
 
A few disgruntled members decided to paint this as malicious fraudulence. They had ulterior motives; they had fallen out with Tavington. And whilst many of the members have had issues with Tavington's personality at one point or another, no one wanted the disbandment of the regiment over this (they'd have simply left the regiment if they didn't like being there).
 
The reason why the regiment disbanded was a mismanagement of communication and trust between Tavington and the members. He should have been more explicit about how the donations system worked so that disgruntled members could not nitpick holes in it and destabalize the regiment as a result. They quickly manufactured the half-truths that Tavington was embezzling money in a money-grubbing/profiteering sense of the word.
 
It is abundantly clear once you have heard both sides of the story, when you consider the reality of funding of the regiment, when you consider how apologetic and remorseful Tavington was in disbanding his regiment over this, that this was not malicious whatsoever. And the more that time passes, the more ex-91st members are realising this and the more the FSE community should realise it too.
 
In light of many FSE members' recent vulgar attitudes/celebrations towards 91st members on this forum, the 91st have personally asked Tavington to reform the regiment for our own pride's sake. We will be defining how we exit this community, not the community. We also have unfinished business here in regards to tournaments and competitions.
 
So sorry to be a party-pooper, but you'll have to put your celebratory paraphernalia back in the closet for the time being. We're back.
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Re: The reality of the 91st Donations
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2013, 04:03:02 pm »
4me it's funny. TAV WAS POCKETING MONEYZZZZ... I think that he just wanted to had reserve, cuz sometimes as my friend told me, he paid alone for the servers

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Re: The reality of the 91st Donations
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2013, 04:05:03 pm »
So you're saying that he is a good guy?  :o

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Re: The reality of the 91st Donations
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2013, 04:06:22 pm »
The reason why the regiment disbanded was a mismanagement of communication and trust between Tavington and the members. He should have been more explicit about how the donations system worked so that disgruntled members could not nitpick holes in it and destabalize the regiment as a result. They quickly manufactured the half-truths that Tavington was embezzling money in a money-grubbing/profiteering sense of the word.

If that is true, it's still Tav's fault. Simple as that.

And, the problem with this story is.. No proof. No proof that this is true, whatsoever.
And Jigstas has some valid arguments about.

And the fact that at every single other occasion where Tav needed a lawyer, you showed up, so I don't really think
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Re: The reality of the 91st Donations
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2013, 04:07:13 pm »
So you're saying that he is a good guy?  :o

This isn't about Tav's personality, it's about the allegations against him. This scandal should not have led to disbanding the regiment really. If we wanted the regiment disbanded as individual members we'd all have simply left. This is why we are reforming.
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Re: The reality of the 91st Donations
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2013, 04:09:27 pm »
Hasn't someone taken the 91st now though? Because on the old regiment thread it said that you had officially disbanded. Don't want to cause trouble (for a change) just want to know if you have talked to the mods about this or anything?

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Re: The reality of the 91st Donations
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2013, 04:14:52 pm »
Hasn't someone taken the 91st now though? Because on the old regiment thread it said that you had officially disbanded. Don't want to cause trouble (for a change) just want to know if you have talked to the mods about this or anything?

If it needs to be lawyered, Tavington never said he was 'disbanding', that was something assumed/implied:
 
"It's been a great time people and in the end it was me and me alone who is to blame for the failure of the Regiment. We accomplished a lot in our time and we were undoubtedly the best Regiment in NW, nobody can question that, I wish all of you the best of luck in your future endeavours."
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Re: The reality of the 91st Donations
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2013, 04:16:30 pm »
It might look bad, but I think people need to take a step back and realise how funding works. If he spends 60 out of his own pocket one week, he is -60 in funding. If he then is 20 over next week, and pockets it, he is still -40 in funding.

That donation still went and will go towards funding the server. If he was consistently receiving over the amount of the server costs monthly (which I HIGHLY doubt, some proof of that would go down a treat) then yeah, he was stealing. But if not, its just funding guys, you might wanna think about that for a while.

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Re: The reality of the 91st Donations
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2013, 04:17:44 pm »
I like to hear from both sides, but one simply question; why did Tavington fake the invoices then? ( as people claim he did )
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Re: The reality of the 91st Donations
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2013, 04:18:11 pm »
Locking a thread and making a closing statement is usually tantamount to disbanding a regiment. Given the circumstances surrounding this little spat I'd imagine a new identity might be far more beneficial; there's a stigma attached to that name now.

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Re: The reality of the 91st Donations
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2013, 04:18:37 pm »
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Re: The reality of the 91st Donations
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2013, 04:24:00 pm »
I guess I will be the one to vacuum clean the confetti...

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Re: The reality of the 91st Donations
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2013, 04:24:19 pm »
I like to hear from both sides, but one simply question; why did Tavington fake the invoices then? ( as people claim he did )

Because once those disgruntled members had planted these 'malicious conspiracies' in the heads of many of the members he panicked. Even the mighty Tavington has spells of misjudgement and incompetence. When something as big as your regiment of 3 years is at stake people sometimes don't think clearly.
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Re: The reality of the 91st Donations
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2013, 04:25:06 pm »
It's very simple.

Did Tavington take money that was given to be spent on servers and servers alone? Yes? Then he stole it. The amount does not matter.

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Re: The reality of the 91st Donations
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2013, 04:26:32 pm »
It's very simple.

Did Tavington take money that was given to be spent on servers and servers alone? Yes? Then he stole it. The amount does not matter.

91sts's paypal account = Tavington's paypal account. Tavington pays for the server when no one else can. How is he stealing? Members just put money into a deposit for the server. You just want to believe it's worse than it is. The allegations are pretty ridiculous.
 
The only thing Tavington is guilty of was a brief spell of deceitfulness with that invoice. This was all caused by a few members' smear story though, they were determined to bring down our 91st community.
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