The General Political Thread

[Karth]

It's more than that if you are looking at the circumstances of a majority of these gun related crimes.  Most happen in inner cities, by African American males.  Have to look at the societal and economic environment of those environments as it has a direct impact on gun crime stats, growing up in an environment where poverty is high, access to drugs/gun is also high, poor education... it's no where comparable to Switzerland

[TheBoberton]

I don't know what that is though.

And yet just a short while ago you were very definitively stating that it was due to our "gun culture".

[Toffee]

I don't know what that is though.

And yet just a short while ago you were very definitively stating that it was due to our "gun culture".

Well it must be something. I'm speculating. I should have guessed you were American though due to the instant defensive tone when the issue was brought up.

[TheBoberton]

Just tired of people acting like a crime committed with a firearm is more heinous or special than one committed with any other weapon, and going after that specifically, in lieu of tackling the much larger and more difficult problem of crime in general.

[Toffee]

How do you tackle crime then boberton? You limit the ways the crime can be committed, which in the USA is firearms.

[TheBoberton]

You solve the underlying social problems, like the almost complete lack of education present for the populations of dense urban areas, where the vast majority of these crimes are committed. Taking the guns solves nothing.

[Toffee]

Well for a start, taking the gun stops that person from mowing down 60 innocents at a concert in Las Vegas.

[TheBoberton]

But not from taking a truck or bomb to the crowd and doing just as much damage. Keep in mind that the killer in Las Vegas was a multi-millionaire. He had no shortage of options.

[Toffee]

But we're not talking about his options. He bought a rifle and killed dozens of people with it as though it was the easiest thing in the world. Stop making excuses for it.

[Theodin]

Ah, emotional appeals

[Toffee]

Ah, emotional appeals

Glad to see nearly 60 dead people doesn't spur you into action

[Theodin]

Ah, emotional appeals

Glad to see nearly 60 dead people doesn't spur you into action

Well we're both A) in the wrong country and B) not part of the decision making process
So no, I don't let the deaths of 60 people give me the opportunity to signal my virtue online

[BabyJesus]

Ah, emotional appeals

Glad to see nearly 60 dead people doesn't spur you into action

well they were most likely republicans who voted Trump so I have no sympathy for them

[DaMonkey]

How do you tackle crime then boberton? You limit the ways the crime can be committed, which in the USA is firearms.

Generally, it is more effective to go after the cause of an illness than the symptom. Your asserted enabler of crime, firearms, is not only something most of the population uses responsibly, but a directly specified right to possession for the citizenry of the United States.

If one was truly desiring to prevent the rampant and widespread crime of certain communities in the United States, one would be more efficient supporting the immediate cessation of the Federal subsidization of broken families - tackling not only generational criminalization*, but that of generational poverty and other such societal ills.

* Apparently this isn't a word, but it should be.

[junedragon]

Ah, emotional appeals

Glad to see nearly 60 dead people doesn't spur you into action

Still havent answered my question of why you want a Bill of Rights assured liberty removed even though there have been less than 1000 deaths by mass shooting in 50 years but keep telling us 500 dead in the past 2 years in europe at the hands of extremists isnt a crisis/major problem