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Re: All-Time Leaders (NA)(2019)
« Reply #195 on: October 01, 2020, 05:29:50 pm »
I've been gone for a long time, not sure If I have ever seen this thread before but its really well done.

The NWL win vs 12th with Grim's 3eVolt was insanely fun and one of the best LB's I ever took part in across both EU and NA.

Gotta have an honorable mention to Cheesey's handling of TNWL vs 58e, insane.
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Re: All-Time Leaders (NA)(2019)
« Reply #196 on: October 01, 2020, 05:33:42 pm »
No worries, would love to see something like this for EU but I don't think it would work out too well XD
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Re: All-Time Leaders (NA)(2019)
« Reply #197 on: October 01, 2020, 05:40:25 pm »
No worries, would love to see something like this for EU but I don't think it would work out too well XD
Why would it not work out? If there's anyone to make a list like that it'd be you.  :P

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Re: All-Time Leaders (NA)(2019)
« Reply #198 on: October 01, 2020, 05:52:21 pm »
wait this argument already happened git fukt 40th

still old gen reg biased imo
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Re: All-Time Leaders (NA)(2019)
« Reply #199 on: October 01, 2020, 07:19:27 pm »
wait this argument already happened git fukt 40th

still old gen reg biased imo

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Re: All-Time Leaders (NA)(2019)
« Reply #200 on: October 01, 2020, 09:26:11 pm »
wait this argument already happened git fukt 40th

still old gen reg biased imo
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new gen leaders are kinda bad ngl
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Re: All-Time Leaders (NA)(2019)
« Reply #201 on: October 01, 2020, 10:09:44 pm »
I've been gone for a long time, not sure If I have ever seen this thread before but its really well done.

The NWL win vs 12th with Grim's 3eVolt was insanely fun and one of the best LB's I ever took part in across both EU and NA.

Gotta have an honorable mention to Cheesey's handling of TNWL vs 58e, insane.
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Re: All-Time Leaders (NA)(2019)
« Reply #202 on: October 01, 2020, 10:40:14 pm »
wait this argument already happened git fukt 40th

still old gen reg biased imo
?

new gen leaders are kinda bad ngl
If you look at any 1v1s from like 2013, more then half the regs didn't know what a reverse was. As time goes regs don't get worse, they get better. I have had this argument with many people, and I have seen the best of both eras. If you get a new gen leader that is some-what league one material, they would absolutely crush regimental leaders who dropped off before 2015ish. Most of the high end old gen leaders would probably adjust to the era, but in terms of what is, and what was, the current era of leaders have adjusted from mistakes made in the earlier years. Tactics, and everything in general are just better. A good analogy for it would be in Baseball when people talk about Babe Ruth, while he was the best player of his era, and those years, he wouldn't be able to compete in this era, unless he took time to adjust to it. We saw something like this with Wardop when he reformed 1aSvea for the recent NANWL, he got dismantled in his first match, and the 1aSvea was disbanded half way into the season of NANWL, and even mid season he gave up his leading to more formidable leaders of the era.

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Re: All-Time Leaders (NA)(2019)
« Reply #203 on: October 01, 2020, 10:56:12 pm »
wait this argument already happened git fukt 40th

still old gen reg biased imo
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new gen leaders are kinda bad ngl
I still think me/russian or godfreid/anyone would manhandle the big brain leaders

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Re: All-Time Leaders (NA)(2019)
« Reply #204 on: October 01, 2020, 11:19:19 pm »
wait this argument already happened git fukt 40th

still old gen reg biased imo
?

new gen leaders are kinda bad ngl
If you look at any 1v1s from like 2013, more then half the regs didn't know what a reverse was. As time goes regs don't get worse, they get better. I have had this argument with many people, and I have seen the best of both eras. If you get a new gen leader that is some-what league one material, they would absolutely crush regimental leaders who dropped off before 2015ish. Most of the high end old gen leaders would probably adjust to the era, but in terms of what is, and what was, the current era of leaders have adjusted from mistakes made in the earlier years. Tactics, and everything in general are just better. A good analogy for it would be in Baseball when people talk about Babe Ruth, while he was the best player of his era, and those years, he wouldn't be able to compete in this era, unless he took time to adjust to it. We saw something like this with Wardop when he reformed 1aSvea for the recent NANWL, he got dismantled in his first match, and the 1aSvea was disbanded half way into the season of NANWL, and even mid season he gave up his leading to more formidable leaders of the era.
No.. just no.. we're talking about high tier leaders + regiments that have accomplished notable victories, there's a reason leaders like Hugonaut (no offense) aren't up there with the others
also you were like 10 years old in 2013.. and probably not leading in any formidable regiments

also not a good analogy at all lol Babe Ruth played like 80 years ago & Wardop lead like only 7 years ago and won NANWL albeit in the weaker league andsome may say he crutched on hillcamping which I'm not sure if he even did when he came back out of retirement leading a complete different line in a different meta. If you want a decent comparison you should compare the actual skill of the leaders in the top tier regiments back then today.. not a coincidence that AsianP back then was one of the best leaders and when he came back is considered a top 3 leader in the scene.. also regiments were way bigger back then so leading is different depending on line size.

You typed a really long paragraph but it contains hardly any substance so its hard for me to respond to any of it..  :-X

wait this argument already happened git fukt 40th

still old gen reg biased imo
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new gen leaders are kinda bad ngl
I still think me/russian or godfreid/anyone would manhandle the big brain leaders
I disagree but you're better than I gave you credit for on the tier list which I plan to change on the next update considering I remember you tying the 54th in NWL back in the Nr.37 when you were quite young though Idk if it was actually you or someone like Pinkerton leading.. At the end of the day its hard to compare who would beat who considering they've all been in charge of different regiments at different time periods.. like surely you can't argue Godfreid/Someone else leading his original regiments would manhandle any big brain leader or their regiment.. gotta be more specific in your opinion
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Re: All-Time Leaders (NA)(2019)
« Reply #205 on: October 02, 2020, 01:11:13 am »
Shinto is undefeated leader... not on list... typical bias... jealous of shinto coolness...?





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Re: All-Time Leaders (NA)(2019)
« Reply #206 on: October 02, 2020, 02:07:16 am »
Shinto is undefeated leader... not on list... typical bias... jealous of shinto coolness...?

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Re: All-Time Leaders (NA)(2019)
« Reply #207 on: October 02, 2020, 02:16:31 am »
Shinto is undefeated leader... not on list... typical bias... jealous of shinto coolness...?

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Re: All-Time Leaders (NA)(2019)
« Reply #208 on: October 02, 2020, 03:42:29 am »
Tbh the reason Karth was so good was cause we trained a lot. Every other regiment I’ve been in has not come close to the amount of training and discipline than the 63e. It worked cause there wasn’t a lot of big egos in the 63e. Cause most people that think they’re too good to do line training were already in a different regiment. Nowadays you just have people not knowing what a wheel is or what a wing is. Pretty sad. Also some people still don’t know when reversing that turning left is faster than turning right.
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Re: All-Time Leaders (NA)(2019)
« Reply #209 on: October 02, 2020, 05:40:05 am »
Tbh the reason Karth was so good was cause we trained a lot. Every other regiment I’ve been in has not come close to the amount of training and discipline than the 63e. It worked cause there wasn’t a lot of big egos in the 63e. Cause most people that think they’re too good to do line training were already in a different regiment. Nowadays you just have people not knowing what a wheel is or what a wing is. Pretty sad. Also some people still don’t know when reversing that turning left is faster than turning right.
Discipline in general was wayyy more popular back then and every ranker in the line took it 100% serious.. Line discipline in general is really important as it allows your line to move quicker and more cohesively without taking shots. Karth/63e definitely trained a lot in that regard which benefited them and gave them an advantage over other regiments.. until the meta kinda shifted away from having less disciplined regiments as people found it less enjoyable as the community grew smaller and shifted away from being 1v1-centric.

For real though you could argue less people know what a reverse-column is now or how to do one properly without losing cohesion because of that loss of discipline/line-discipline, everything is a lot sloppier.

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