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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5130 on: March 05, 2020, 05:06:29 pm »
I once heard a saying along the lines of "Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line." Over the years, i find that to be fairly accurate.  Whoever does a better job uniting their party, and swaying independents will win. 

Bernie has a lot of very loyal followers but that love doesnt go far beyond them. 

As i am posting this, there are reports Warren is backing out of the race.  If so, its basically a 2 person race. When it comes to the moderates vs the progressives, moderates have the advantage imo.   How many states coming up will bernie win, and win by  a large enough margin to build a large delegate count compared to Biden?  I can see a lot of states coming up, including large states where if i had to guess, bernie will lose hard.

With all that said, biden hasn't run a good campaign.  The debates, fundraising, and the other campaign activities haven't been great.     It amuses me how many people forgot this after he won SC and did very well on super tuesday.  It is much easier to blame the people in the first 3 states as being out of touch than admit it.  Why would/should people vote for you if you dont put any effort in and performed so poorly up to that point?      It wasn't until it was do or die for him that he finally showed up.   TBH it feels like he just assumed he would win and hasnt put much effort in.  Brand and being Obamas guy is what saved him.  If he does poorly going forward, i can see sanders winning. 

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5131 on: March 05, 2020, 05:50:52 pm »
I once heard a saying along the lines of "Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line." Over the years, i find that to be fairly accurate.  Whoever does a better job uniting their party, and swaying independents will win. 

Bernie has a lot of very loyal followers but that love doesnt go far beyond them. 

As i am posting this, there are reports Warren is backing out of the race.  If so, its basically a 2 person race. When it comes to the moderates vs the progressives, moderates have the advantage imo.   How many states coming up will bernie win, and win by  a large enough margin to build a large delegate count compared to Biden?  I can see a lot of states coming up, including large states where if i had to guess, bernie will lose hard.

With all that said, biden hasn't run a good campaign.  The debates, fundraising, and the other campaign activities haven't been great.     It amuses me how many people forgot this after he won SC and did very well on super tuesday.  It is much easier to blame the people in the first 3 states as being out of touch than admit it.  Why would/should people vote for you if you dont put any effort in and performed so poorly up to that point?      It wasn't until it was do or die for him that he finally showed up.   TBH it feels like he just assumed he would win and hasnt put much effort in.  Brand and being Obamas guy is what saved him.  If he does poorly going forward, i can see sanders winning.
Most of the populace wants a return to "normalcy". What they don't want is a full fledged revolution that tries to tear down long-standing institutions. Americans don't want to hear about how the government is screwing everything up; that is why the loved Obama. He gave a few nice speeches and everybody went back to their own thing (except the neocons with their birthing conspiracy).

Take the New Green Deal for instance. If the climate crisis is as bad as they say, then immediate action will have to be taken. An unprecedented amount of effort will be needed in order to shift our power grid away from fossil fuels. On top of that, they want single-payer healthcare, free college, housing, and many other overhauls, by 2030. This is impossible. Even in small incremental doses, you would find pushback from every corporation that benefits from the production of harmful pollutants that people consume. Not only do they have to be convinced that renewable energy is more profitable, you also have to make them actually believe that climate change is an actual ongoing crisis.

When it comes down to moderates vs leftists, the former will win the foreseeable future. No matter how you twist it, the word "socialism" has been castigated due to decades of Red Scare propaganda. Even if progressive policies are what you would call center right everywhere else, the name alone squanders any chance of it making leeway. It is sad but that is where we are at, nothing will change until the problems are at our doorstep and no longer a distant crackle.

The internet amplifies a very vocal minority that makes itself out be the ones that will launch widespread change, when in reality no one cares enough. The progressives can blame moderates and low information voters all they want, but alienating them will only make things harder.

Bernie in 2020 won 50% of his home state, that is a 36% decrease from 2016. Shocking? Not really. It's widely held suspicion that most of the votes towards Sanders that year were anti-Hillary, and very little thought went towards anything else. Now that there are more tolerable candidates to vote for, he dropped significantly nearly everywhere. As it showed on Super Tuesday, Bernie just isn't that popular when you discount his rabid following. The voters don't need to hear anything of substance from Biden, only that he was Obama's VP.

I don't think the debates count for much anymore. Bloomberg used typical conservative talking points on why Bernie couldn't beat Trump, was roasted on national television, and still beat out or was on par with Warren. If by some miracle that Super Tuesday was a wakeup call for Bernie's coalition, then maybe we will see a shift, but I sincerely doubt it.

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5132 on: March 05, 2020, 06:21:34 pm »
Amusingly, socialist policies are widely liked by americans if the word socialist isn't attached to it or the person advocating it.  SS, medicare, medicade, and things like food stamps come to mind.  I thought i remember hearing that millennials and those after dont have the same view on the word socialism as previous generations do.   They were born after or near the end of the cold war.   They dont have the same view about the government and its role.

and i agree.  i dont think the idea of a total revolution into most parts of people's lives will sell well.(left or right)   Not until things reach a certain boiling point economically and socially. 

the internet has always been a tool for the vocal minority to sound and act louder than they really are.  It does make it harder to see what the majority actually think. 

i think a large chunk of the vote for bernie and even trump was anti hillary. 

i think debates are mainly about not messing up and showing you can do them well more than anything else. Unless you have several stand out moments in said debate.  Actual debates about the pros and cons of various ideas doesnt happen until you have 2-3 people who are not shouting over each other. With more time actually discussing a topic rather than getting your prepared 30 second line out. At the same time, everyone probably has their mind made up by that point and dont really care about any one issue.  They just want their person to win.
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« Reply #5133 on: March 05, 2020, 08:09:37 pm »
waiting on cancel culture to catch up to old uncle joe. This is gonna be fun to see

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5134 on: March 05, 2020, 09:20:48 pm »
waiting on cancel culture to catch up to old uncle joe. This is gonna be fun to see
The disinformation spread during this election season is going to be horrible. Bloomberg might decide to buy as many ad spots as he can to help the Democrats, while Trump will focus on Joe's senility and pedophilic tendencies. Two old codgers duking it out for the most powerful position on the planet; it's going to be beautiful.

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5135 on: March 11, 2020, 05:09:38 am »
Ah well, at least Bernie tried. It's a pity too, maybe he will inspire someone more charismatic to head the progressive movement.  Now, who to pick from. A rambling, senile dinosaur, or a raging, wannabe authoritarian narcissist?

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« Reply #5136 on: March 12, 2020, 02:19:38 pm »
Ah well, at least Bernie tried. It's a pity too, maybe he will inspire someone more charismatic to head the progressive movement.  Now, who to pick from. A rambling, senile dinosaur, or a raging, wannabe authoritarian narcissist?

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no bullshit joe should be in a nursing  home right now, wtf is going on? Who voted for this??

laughing stock of the world, how did we get these two?!

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« Reply #5137 on: March 13, 2020, 02:13:31 pm »
I wonder if Trump's balant incompetency during this pandemic will affect him at the polls. If it gets bad enough, he will start pointing fingers at the immigrants and use it as justification for the wall. On the other hand, enough deaths and inaction could turn key voters against him come November.

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5138 on: May 01, 2020, 09:34:05 pm »
Can't tell if Biden is lying through his teeth about Tara Reade or his dementia has kicked into overdrive.

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« Reply #5139 on: May 01, 2020, 11:00:05 pm »
If you like welfare you vote labour d00d also Corbyn said he won't be taking labour into the next election so they will probably go for someone more moderate next.
All of our parties are in varying levels in favour of the welfare state, as it would be political suicide not to be. And in regards to the next leader being moderate, considering the party has been highjacked by momentum, that's a doubt.
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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5140 on: May 06, 2020, 05:45:07 am »
Can't tell if Biden is lying through his teeth about Tara Reade or his dementia has kicked into overdrive.
He's lying right through his teeth and the media is right behind him trying to cover up any accusation she has.

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5141 on: May 06, 2020, 04:25:17 pm »
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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5143 on: May 23, 2020, 12:09:32 am »
any 1 antifascist here or just cunts?
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« Reply #5144 on: May 23, 2020, 12:13:33 am »
any 1 antifascist here or just cunts?
Elias what do you consider as antifascist? Cause I hate Fascists. But I do believe you wouldnt call antifascist
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