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Re: Protests in Baltimore
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2015, 07:27:12 pm »
I bet 3/4 of the rioters never knew him, don't know why he was arrested in the first place, and don't know what his health was like. All in all, they want attention and better jobs. News flash, you have to work for those yourselves like the millions of Black Americans who lead a very good life style.
Waste, i sort of feel like you don't understand the whole story behind this mess :3 Police can't just kill people without good reason yet they do, that's the problem.

Refer to my previous post,
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Here are my thoughts on this whole race issue in media recently. Although i sympathize greatly with the victims and the victims families, i believe the media has used this as a reason to spark outrage which generates more people watching their shows. This isn't even entirely a race issue, it's a police aggression issue. You have to look at it from a case by case basis because you will see that sometimes it is a race issue, sometimes it is a poverty issue, sometimes it is a gang issue, and sometimes it's something else entirely. All of these examples are collectively what is wrong with many police departments in our country. Instead of these massive protests/riots over the death of an individual black man, it should be peaceful protests to train and desensitize police, stop giving them military grade weapons but start giving them military weapons training (Not pointing guns at people when they don't intend to kill). Race is a very small part of the bigger problem at hand.

Side Note: Many of the police officers who are committing these murders need to be put in jail.
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Never said they can kill whoever, it isn't even know that his spine was injured with the police, and if it was it was probably in the chase when he was running from them.

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Re: Protests in Baltimore
« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2015, 07:31:59 pm »
I bet 3/4 of the rioters never knew him, don't know why he was arrested in the first place, and don't know what his health was like. All in all, they want attention and better jobs. News flash, you have to work for those yourselves like the millions of Black Americans who lead a very good life style.
Waste, i sort of feel like you don't understand the whole story behind this mess :3 Police can't just kill people without good reason yet they do, that's the problem.

Refer to my previous post,
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Here are my thoughts on this whole race issue in media recently. Although i sympathize greatly with the victims and the victims families, i believe the media has used this as a reason to spark outrage which generates more people watching their shows. This isn't even entirely a race issue, it's a police aggression issue. You have to look at it from a case by case basis because you will see that sometimes it is a race issue, sometimes it is a poverty issue, sometimes it is a gang issue, and sometimes it's something else entirely. All of these examples are collectively what is wrong with many police departments in our country. Instead of these massive protests/riots over the death of an individual black man, it should be peaceful protests to train and desensitize police, stop giving them military grade weapons but start giving them military weapons training (Not pointing guns at people when they don't intend to kill). Race is a very small part of the bigger problem at hand.

Side Note: Many of the police officers who are committing these murders need to be put in jail.
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Never said they can kill whoever, it isn't even know that his spine was injured with the police, and if it was it was probably in the chase when he was running from them.
There are countless more cases, not just black, but white, Hispanic, YOU NAME IT, WE GOT IT! So maybe it was partially his own fault, and there are instances where it is entirely the fault of the victim for their own death, but in a lot of the cases you will see that the officers in question are the main reason for their death.

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Re: Protests in Baltimore
« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2015, 07:34:42 pm »
You are pulling numbers and statements out of your ass. Please stop doing that.

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Re: Protests in Baltimore
« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2015, 07:40:35 pm »
He's right though, duuring.

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Re: Protests in Baltimore
« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2015, 07:47:27 pm »
He's making extremely vague claims with no proof. Just because something sounds logical and is generally believed to be true, doesn't mean it is.

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Re: Protests in Baltimore
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2015, 07:50:16 pm »
You are pulling numbers and statements out of your ass. Please stop doing that.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/sunday-review/race-and-police-shootings-are-blacks-targeted-more.html
Shows cases of racism in police killings
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/police-shootings-ferguson-race-data
Shows that police killings happen largely to minorities (black and latino) but leaves out asians which could very well imply that poverty is a key factor to police killings as shown here (http://www.businessinsider.com/census-race-income-gap-2014-9)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/09/09/ferguson-style-militarization-goes-on-trial-in-the-senate/
Shows police militarization

Further proving my point but giving less evidence but instead explaining it,
Here is a picture of police at Ferguson
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As you can clearly see they are aiming their guns at her. In military training you would NEVER aim your gun at someone like that unless you intend to kill.

Is this enough proof or do you want more?

The reason i make these vague arguments with no proof presented at the time of the original argument is because i am lazy and don't feel like citing everything i say. If you ask for evidence, i will surely present it for you. I don't just come up with this shit xD i read articles and form my own opinion. I'm not "You are pulling numbers and statements out of your ass." as you put it xD

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Re: Protests in Baltimore
« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2015, 08:04:15 pm »
That's one stupid picture and drawing any conclusions from it is so short-sighted it hurts my brain.

Thanks for the 'proof' though.

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Re: Protests in Baltimore
« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2015, 08:12:07 pm »
That's one stupid picture and drawing any conclusions from it is so short-sighted it hurts my brain.

Thanks for the 'proof' though.
The picture was such a small part of my argument that it hurt my brain that you would dismiss everything else presented because of it.

Although even my point about the guns still stands xD
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Apparently a picture isn't enough so i'm showing you two videos of it. One of alex jones, just ignore that fact seeing as the video is the argument, not the people presenting it.

Now that i have presented evidence, you can either try and refute my arguments or you can leave it at that. Instead of trying to invalidate me by claiming that i don't have evidence to back me up (which i just showed that i do), you can actually try and form arguments of your own :D at least i'm making a case and presenting a solution. Where is yours?
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Re: Protests in Baltimore
« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2015, 08:18:59 pm »
I'm just talking about this case Gluk not the big picture haha, I never see this stuff in Minnesota, we 2 nice. Cept north Minneapolis.

The police do their job, they make mistakes like any company, these mistakes just have a larger out come. The pressure gets to them a lot and it's those split second decisions they have to make that chooses life or death. Adrenaline gets pumping and who knows what you'd do. I just find it crazy how people believe we don't need police and that they do more harm than help, that's crazy. This stuff even happens in the Military so it's not completely their lack of training.

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Re: Protests in Baltimore
« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2015, 08:29:40 pm »
I'm just talking about this case Gluk not the big picture haha, I never see this stuff in Minnesota, we 2 nice. Cept north Minneapolis.

The police do their job, they make mistakes like any company, these mistakes just have a larger out come. The pressure gets to them a lot and it's those split second decisions they have to make that chooses life or death. Adrenaline gets pumping and who knows what you'd do. I just find it crazy how people believe we don't need police and that they do more harm than help, that's crazy. This stuff even happens in the Military so it's not completely their lack of training.
I would largely agree with what you're saying but also understand that just because they have a dangerous job, does not excuse them for murder. But like i said, it has to be by a case by case basis as not all instances are the same. Not all cases are "murder" and not all cases are "self-defense." So i do think the police need to go through stricter gun training and regulation (also every cop should have a cam recorder on them) to prevent these kind of cases from happening in general and so we handle situations without deadly violence.

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Re: Protests in Baltimore
« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2015, 08:34:41 pm »
This is as completely stupid as it's always been. Literally if it was proven that a black man did something that got him killed by a white cop, I'd be willing to bet they'd throw a fit just because they can and call it the white man's fault. Protesting is one thing, burning places and looting shops is another.

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Re: Protests in Baltimore
« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2015, 08:37:50 pm »
I'm just talking about this case Gluk not the big picture haha, I never see this stuff in Minnesota, we 2 nice. Cept north Minneapolis.

The police do their job, they make mistakes like any company, these mistakes just have a larger out come. The pressure gets to them a lot and it's those split second decisions they have to make that chooses life or death. Adrenaline gets pumping and who knows what you'd do. I just find it crazy how people believe we don't need police and that they do more harm than help, that's crazy. This stuff even happens in the Military so it's not completely their lack of training.
I would largely agree with what you're saying but also understand that just because they have a dangerous job, does not excuse them for murder. But like i said, it has to be by a case by case basis as not all instances are the same. Not all cases are "murder" and not all cases are "self-defense." So i do think the police need to go through stricter gun training and regulation (also every cop should have a cam recorder on them) to prevent these kind of cases from happening in general and so we handle situations without deadly violence.
i agree completely with the cam recorder, and no murder is not okay, too many people have no rispect for the police still. The riots are dumb af tho, "we're mad at the police for killing a man I didn't even know, lets ruin the lives of more people!!"

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Re: Protests in Baltimore
« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2015, 08:38:33 pm »
This is as completely stupid as it's always been. Literally if it was proven that a black man did something that got him killed by a white cop, I'd be willing to bet they'd throw a fit just because they can and call it the white man's fault. Protesting is one thing, burning places and looting shops is another.
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I'm just talking about this case Gluk not the big picture haha, I never see this stuff in Minnesota, we 2 nice. Cept north Minneapolis.

The police do their job, they make mistakes like any company, these mistakes just have a larger out come. The pressure gets to them a lot and it's those split second decisions they have to make that chooses life or death. Adrenaline gets pumping and who knows what you'd do. I just find it crazy how people believe we don't need police and that they do more harm than help, that's crazy. This stuff even happens in the Military so it's not completely their lack of training.
I would largely agree with what you're saying but also understand that just because they have a dangerous job, does not excuse them for murder. But like i said, it has to be by a case by case basis as not all instances are the same. Not all cases are "murder" and not all cases are "self-defense." So i do think the police need to go through stricter gun training and regulation (also every cop should have a cam recorder on them) to prevent these kind of cases from happening in general and so we handle situations without deadly violence.
i agree completely with the cam recorder, and no murder is not okay, too many people have no rispect for the police still. The riots are dumb af tho, "we're mad at the police for killing a man I didn't even know, lets ruin the lives of more people!!"
To some extent, i agree. I just think the message of the protest should not be about race, but instead about a systemic problem with certain police officers killing innocent people.
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Re: Protests in Baltimore
« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2015, 08:47:49 pm »
So many bootlickers in this thread. Why is it that supposed 'liberals' always show their true colors when it really matters? If you support these actions of law enforcement you are supporting authoritarianism. It's as simple as that. You can't claim to be in favor of a fair, just democracy and at the same time defend police brutality. Either you're a colossal hypocrite, or you somehow don't understand how the problems of a minority effect the majority. Just because you're not black and don't have to deal with police brutality on a daily basis doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Obviously coming from a slightly different context here, but Niemöller's quote always come to mind when these discussions arise.

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Re: Protests in Baltimore
« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2015, 08:49:27 pm »
Saying that you can't support law enforcement without supporting authoritarianism is plain stupid. I damn well support a cop shooting someone who attacks me, which is law enforcement.