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Title: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Tardet on November 30, 2017, 04:44:33 am

I know it might come as a surprise for most of you that a EU (and moreover not quite known within the NA community) posts such a thread but I've joined the 3eVolt for quite sometimes already and since I've been playing with them and got to know the NA community a bit better, I've been quite saddened by the fact not many people really seem interested into hosting big competitions again.

Morraine just decided to host his own League given there apparently won't be a new season of the NANWL anytime soon so it appears the 1v1 LBs side of things is covered. But would any of you guys be interested into having another edition of the RGL hosted anytime soon?

I've talked to Asian and Wastee and I believe both their respective regiments would be up for it. But you can't quite make a competition with only two regiments so I'd be interested to know if there is any other regiment looking forward to that sort of competition. I don't expect a massive participation obviously but 6-8 different structures would be probably enough to make the whole thing worth it.

I've already talked to a few people about which all been positive towards the idea but as a matter of transparency I figured out a FSE post would probably be the best idea to get to hear everyone's opinion. The name is a place holder, I'm yet to ask Label wherever or not he would allow me to use it but if he doesn't, I would probably be able to come up with something, would people still be interested in it. Also got in touch with Amit who offered to help me with advices and potential contacts he could gave me so that's a start.

Just throwing this out to see your reactions. Hopefully they will be mostly positive as I strongly believe the NA community could benefit from it.
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: ~NickCole~ on November 30, 2017, 04:54:42 am
It is hard to do it now considering the skill level between 3e/LG and everyone else is huge and there aren't many competitive regiments as there use to be. If someone had this idea a year or 2 years ago it would work but I'm not sure many regiments would sign up now.
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Sanders on November 30, 2017, 04:55:38 am
Good Luck with this Tardet!
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: |Viper| on November 30, 2017, 04:58:10 am
It would die quickly or it wouldn't last long at all, like Nick said there aren't many Competitive regiments left on the NA side of the community except 3e and LG 
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: LiquidSkorpion on November 30, 2017, 05:17:31 am
Good luck Tardet <3

I don't know if the community is active enough for a large scale tournament but I would love to see one
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Windflower on November 30, 2017, 05:40:47 am
dont think groupfighting is the best idea for a league right now
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: RussianFury on November 30, 2017, 06:10:34 am
I would rather have a league such as Aurum's rather than a regimental groupfighting league. The reason is because everyone already knows who is going to be in the finals. Plus, you can actually take stats of a smaller match compared a reg gf where all you really care about are kills.

https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=33188.0
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: maccle on November 30, 2017, 06:46:00 am
Thinking about making a team for this tourny even if its regimental >:)
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Tardet on November 30, 2017, 01:21:33 pm

That's some fair points though if you allow me a small comparison, in the current EU RGL, it makes no doubt that the entire league is most likely going to be played between the 85e and the 66th, K-KA/77y eventually having some upset potential but quite a small one. Yet 9 other regiments signed-up and I don't think any of them caring high expectations coming into the RGL, they simply want to play groupfigthings, in a competitive atmosphere, with their regiments.

Now it doesn't make any of your points invalid, as what happens in the EU doesn't necessarily apply in the NA too.



As Liquid and Windflower rightfully pointed out, this might not be the best timing for it which is fair enough. I was merely asking for opinions, even if they had been mostly positive (which is far to the case), wouldn't have been possibly before February/March. But maybe it is too early still. I personally doubt waiting for another 6-7 months would be a positive thing and would increase activity and interest towards that tournament by a large margin yet again I don't know your community as much as you guys do so going to have to take your words for truth.


Could actually be a fairly good idea but from experience, NW Groupfighting League are never finished. People are really motivated at the beginning but due to a lack of proper forced schedules, most are rather lazy with organizing and playing their matches, which drags the league to an infinite state.

Not that I don't want to do it, I would actually love it. But I'm not sure there would be enough committed teams.
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Fwuffy on November 30, 2017, 01:29:01 pm
no point, you know 30th is gonna win it 8)

(host it please I wanna play some NA GFs xd)

although
66th should sign up tbf ez
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Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: |Viper| on November 30, 2017, 03:34:23 pm
no point, you know 30th is gonna win it 8)

(host it please I wanna play some NA GFs xd)

although
66th should sign up tbf ez
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Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Lurvy on November 30, 2017, 03:36:54 pm
Would be 3eVolt vs whoever in the finals.
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Oatmeal on November 30, 2017, 05:46:05 pm
do a drafting league
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Moraine on November 30, 2017, 08:13:43 pm
Why not a duel league where its based on wins and losses? or single elimination.
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: ~NickCole~ on November 30, 2017, 09:49:59 pm
Well a 5v5 Groupfighting League could be a better idea now since it could have more teams and more balanced then a regimental league. From the past I know that they died but I'm not sure about this time since people are looking for some tournament to start.
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Theodin on November 30, 2017, 11:12:00 pm
do a drafting league
cause the last draft tourney was a complete success
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Windflower on November 30, 2017, 11:46:10 pm
I would rather have a league such as Aurum's rather than a regimental groupfighting league. The reason is because everyone already knows who is going to be in the finals. Plus, you can actually take stats of a smaller match compared a reg gf where all you really care about are kills.

https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=33188.0
#bringbackAurum

As Liquid and Windflower rightfully pointed out, this might not be the best timing for it which is fair enough. I was merely asking for opinions, even if they had been mostly positive (which is far to the case), wouldn't have been possibly before February/March. But maybe it is too early still. I personally doubt waiting for another 6-7 months would be a positive thing and would increase activity and interest towards that tournament by a large margin yet again I don't know your community as much as you guys do so going to have to take your words for truth.
No one's saying we're going to wait 6-7 months for a groupfighting tournament, there's just not enough interest for there to be one. No interest = dead league. And dead leagues are definitely not a good thing for the community for multiple reasons.

Could actually be a fairly good idea but from experience, NW Groupfighting League are never finished. People are really motivated at the beginning but due to a lack of proper forced schedules, most are rather lazy with organizing and playing their matches, which drags the league to an infinite state.

Not that I don't want to do it, I would actually love it. But I'm not sure there would be enough committed teams.
Aurum's league was very smoothly run and did finish.. if you think that this wouldn't work but an RGL would then sorry but that's wrong.
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Moraine on November 30, 2017, 11:51:35 pm
who? ops wrong thread
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Stroke0fd34th on December 01, 2017, 12:22:41 am
do a drafting league
cause the last draft tourney was a complete success

In all fairness though, the last draft tourney was my all-star event (I think, unless I missed something) and it was more of an experiment/for fun idea (like actual pro-sports all-star events are) than anything serious which involved components that slowed/were not as successful as I'd hoped, but many people still had fun participating in it so I don't consider a total failure either, and Jorge's draft tourney was less draft and more him assigning teams. I think a true draft league would be fun though, Captains could pick teams of ~10 from signed up players and participate in either a groupfight or 1v1 (I think either would be fun/good for the community but it, of course, depends on number of sign-ups and the host). I'm, of course, not going to host such a thing, but it's an idea I think could benefit the community should someone decide to run with it.

As far as regimental leagues go, I think the outcomes are rather predictable at this point regardless of whether it's a 1v1 or groupfight league (though I think a 1v1 league does have more potential as it's not 100% dependant on melee), which is why I think a draft league would be more interesting.
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Aurum on December 01, 2017, 12:33:08 am
I would rather have a league such as Aurum's rather than a regimental groupfighting league. The reason is because everyone already knows who is going to be in the finals. Plus, you can actually take stats of a smaller match compared a reg gf where all you really care about are kills.

https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=33188.0

After seeing this and discussing with a couple people about the tournament I will be bringing it back very shortly.

It'll be ran roughly the same but I'll have windflower and possibly risk co-run it with me since I work now and do other things. But yeah, thanks for the kind words I do appreciate it.
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Oatmeal on December 01, 2017, 06:47:36 am
do a drafting league
cause the last draft tourney was a complete success

In all fairness though, the last draft tourney was my all-star event (I think, unless I missed something) and it was more of an experiment/for fun idea (like actual pro-sports all-star events are) than anything serious which involved components that slowed/were not as successful as I'd hoped, but many people still had fun participating in it so I don't consider a total failure either, and Jorge's draft tourney was less draft and more him assigning teams. I think a true draft league would be fun though, Captains could pick teams of ~10 from signed up players and participate in either a groupfight or 1v1 (I think either would be fun/good for the community but it, of course, depends on number of sign-ups and the host). I'm, of course, not going to host such a thing, but it's an idea I think could benefit the community should someone decide to run with it.

As far as regimental leagues go, I think the outcomes are rather predictable at this point regardless of whether it's a 1v1 or groupfight league (though I think a 1v1 league does have more potential as it's not 100% dependant on melee), which is why I think a draft league would be more interesting.
well said, I think a change from regimental leagues will interest people outside of the LG/3e
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Moraine on December 01, 2017, 07:12:18 am
one of the biggest problems with my league is regiments who arent lg and 3e dont want to sign up because they dont want to get creamed by lg and 3e so its kindia difficult situation.
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Windflower on December 01, 2017, 07:14:01 am
*snip*
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Wastee on December 01, 2017, 08:22:38 am
I would rather have a league such as Aurum's rather than a regimental groupfighting league. The reason is because everyone already knows who is going to be in the finals. Plus, you can actually take stats of a smaller match compared a reg gf where all you really care about are kills.

https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=33188.0

After seeing this and discussing with a couple people about the tournament I will be bringing it back very shortly.

It'll be ran roughly the same but I'll have windflower and possibly risk co-run it with me since I work now and do other things. But yeah, thanks for the kind words I do appreciate it.
Soon pls so I can carry my team to playoffs before I leave to boot camp
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Kuni Garu on December 01, 2017, 11:54:05 am
one of the biggest problems with my league is regiments who arent lg and 3e dont want to sign up because they dont want to get creamed by lg and 3e so its kindia difficult situation.
True at first I didnt want to do it but meh why not tbh even tho LG and 3e have much better players the only way to get better is to  right better regiments still surprised that the 39th isn't signed up lol.
Title: Re: North American Regimental Groupfighting League | New Season?
Post by: Tardet on December 01, 2017, 01:25:26 pm
Could actually be a fairly good idea but from experience, NW Groupfighting League are never finished. People are really motivated at the beginning but due to a lack of proper forced schedules, most are rather lazy with organizing and playing their matches, which drags the league to an infinite state.

Not that I don't want to do it, I would actually love it. But I'm not sure there would be enough committed teams.
Aurum's league was very smoothly run and did finish.. if you think that this wouldn't work but an RGL would then sorry but that's wrong.

Please quote me where I'm saying a RGL would work better than a GFL. I think I perfectly got the idea that it is way too early for another edition of the NARGL. What I was simply pointing out, was that from my experience, Groupfighting Leagues have never been a success within the EU scene. If you managed to run one properly in the NA than that's a positive thing but that still doesn't mean I would feel 100% confident hosting one right now. Doesn't matter in any case since since Arum apparently is interested to host another edition. But please don't assume what I think or don't, in order to get your point across, as it doesn't bring anything to the current discussion.



I would rather have a league such as Aurum's rather than a regimental groupfighting league. The reason is because everyone already knows who is going to be in the finals. Plus, you can actually take stats of a smaller match compared a reg gf where all you really care about are kills.

https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=33188.0

After seeing this and discussing with a couple people about the tournament I will be bringing it back very shortly.

It'll be ran roughly the same but I'll have windflower and possibly risk co-run it with me since I work now and do other things. But yeah, thanks for the kind words I do appreciate it.

Atleast this topic managed to arounse a certain interest for people to host something again so that wasn't all for nothing! Considering its a well shared opinions that hosting a NARGL is nothing but a good idea, I will be closing this topic and let the future tournaments, whatever it is, in good hands. Thanks to every person who took the time to anwser and give me some advices. Looking forward to what Aurum is going to host! :)