23rd Regiment of Foot "Royal Welch Fusiliers" [German but recruiting int.!]

[Von Bergen]

I dont want to Insult anyone, and i actually Think monarchy is a good thing for representative issues for a Country. Just like the Bundespräsident in Germany, just with some more Flair. But arent the Royals today more like a family-buisness with some Kind of "we make you more shiny" Deal with the british State? Thats at least what it seems like sometimes for outsiders.

[sirkaide]

I dont want to Insult anyone, and i actually Think monarchy is a good thing for representative issues for a Country. Just like the Bundespräsident in Germany, just with some more Flair. But arent the Royals today more like a family-buisness with some Kind of "we make you more shiny" Deal with the british State? Thats at least what it seems like sometimes for outsiders.

The British Monarchy (apart from the period involving Cromwell) has over a thousand years of unbroken tradition. It is the centre of politics in the United Kingdom and a direct heritage to our foundations as a people, country and later an Empire.

Those who have studied UK politics know that the monarchy exercises huge political and symbolic power. The military swear to her their allegiance and upon my entry into the British Army I swore my allegiances to the Queen and her heirs not the government.

The Queen also maintains the UK's relationship with the Commonwealth as she acts as its head. Not to mention she is a rallying point to British, Australians, Canadians and New Zealanders, and as I mentioned with Trump, millions of people with British ancestry have huge amount of respect for her.

The Queen is also Head of the Church of England, and head of the British state and defender of the faith. She has ultimate authority but has continued the 20th century practise of following the government that can command the majority in the House of Commons. Ultimately for a bill to become law the Queen must pass her consent and sign it. There theoretically the Queen could refuse any law she didn't like and even refuse to sign a bill that called for a republic.
The Queen could easily refuse to sign a declaration of war and has issued resistance in the past.

Also, as British custom, every week the Prime Minister must report to the Queen in person, and inform the Queen how he/she is running the country and there reasons for it. In this private audience the Queen has the opportunity to be  'consulted, warn and advice' her minister.

Many worry that Prince Charles will not follow this convention and that may cause a constitutional crisis.

[Tylerus]

Many worry that Prince Charles will not follow this convention and that may cause a constitutional crisis.

Perfect description on the role of the monarch btw. I do not believe that Prince Charles would go against the convention of the largest party being invited to form a gov't but he may get himself in hot water by speaking too openly about matters, something which has caused him a tad trouble in the past.

[SilverBolt]

So your definition of a World power is tied to a permanent seat in the UN security council?
So Taiwan was a world power up until 1971?
So france, who has lost any major influence outside of Europe and Africa is a world power?
Germany isnt a world power because we dont have a seat and no Nuclear weapons (which will never be used in a major military conflict because of MAD-doctrine)?
Please show the me the academics with so fucking wonky definitions of such a heavy title

All major European nations (Russia, Germany, France, UK) are influential and powerful in their own rights but none of these hold so much Power and Influence in any regards to be considered a "World Power"
Only PROC and the USA are able to hold Hegemonic power in the 21st century

[sirkaide]

Many worry that Prince Charles will not follow this convention and that may cause a constitutional crisis.

Perfect description on the role of the monarch btw. I do not believe that Prince Charles would go against the convention of the largest party being invited to form a gov't but he may get himself in hot water by speaking too openly about matters, something which has caused him a tad trouble in the past.

Yeah the Spider papers being a key example. Though, incase anyone didn't know the Monarchy and royal family have strong privacy laws that except them for press scrutiny.

[sirkaide]

So your definition of a World power is tied to a permanent seat in the UN security council?
So Taiwan was a world power up until 1971?
So france, who has lost any major influence outside of Europe and Africa is a world power?
Germany isnt a world power because we dont have a seat and no Nuclear weapons (which will never be used in a major military conflict because of MAD-doctrine)?
Please show the me the academics with so fucking wonky definitions of such a heavy title

All major European nations (Russia, Germany, France, UK) are influential and powerful in their own rights but none of these hold so much Power and Influence in any regards to be considered a "World Power"
Only PROC and the USA are able to hold Hegemonic power in the 21st century

But France has  global influence that Germany lacks. It has the Francophone alliance and a global navy and overseas territories that Germany lacks. Not to mention France has historic allies in Asia, South America and Africa.

In theory, if France wanted to invade Sir Lanka or South Africa it could,. It has a modern aircraft carrier, and a large navy and airforce to support an invasion.

I wouldn't consider Germany a world power, you could argue that it is a reluctant world power I guess. Though it has a weak military for a nation of its size and and economic wealth.

Not to mention Germany doesn't even play a leading role in NATO and has often been accused of not "playing it's part".

Germany lacks close allies outside of Europe and few overseas. Meanwhile France and the UK have a military presence in many key theatres.

[Tylerus]

So your definition of a World power is tied to a permanent seat in the UN security council?
So Taiwan was a world power up until 1971?
So france, who has lost any major influence outside of Europe and Africa is a world power?
Germany isnt a world power because we dont have a seat and no Nuclear weapons (which will never be used in a major military conflict because of MAD-doctrine)?
Please show the me the academics with so fucking wonky definitions of such a heavy title

All major European nations (Russia, Germany, France, UK) are influential and powerful in their own rights but none of these hold so much Power and Influence in any regards to be considered a "World Power"
Only PROC and the USA are able to hold Hegemonic power in the 21st century

But France has  global influence that Germany lacks. It has the Francophone alliance and a global navy and overseas territories that Germany lacks. Not to mention France has historic allies in Asia, South America and Africa.

In theory, if France wanted to invade Sir Lanka or South Africa it could,. It has a modern aircraft carrier, and a large navy and airforce to support an invasion.

I wouldn't consider Germany a world power, you could argue that it is a reluctant world power I guess. Though it has a weak military for a nation of its size and and economic wealth.

Not to mention Germany doesn't even play a leading role in NATO and has often been accused of not "playing it's part".

Germany lacks close allies outside of Europe and few overseas. Meanwhile France and the UK have a military presence in many key theatres.

Influence tends to be one of the most common terms to come up when discussing what is a world power. Influence has in recent years been the way in which the UK has handled it's foreign affairs. You seem to be discussing how militaristic capability as well as diplomatic means leads to the UK being a world power, both of which do lead to influence, and lots of it. It really depends on Silverbolt and your definition of 'world power' (of which there are many), so before deciding who is and who is not a world power we must make sure we are discussing under the same definition.

[Von Bergen]

The thing with Germany when it Comes to military is just: We  could do a lot, but we just dont want to. This has two main reasons: 1. Obvious historic Ones 2. Our participation in the NATO; German military has no need to be able to defend the Country on its own alone, because its Very unlikely we would be Attacked on our own alone. We are the 4. Biggest Economy in the World (our GDP is 1.2 billions higher Than the UK <3), we are the main payer in the EU, the most important trading Partner for dozens of countries, there are nearly 30 Million people in Germany theoretically being able to be put into military Service in case of war (while only about 22 Million in the UK). Just give us a reason and we would be able to go full scale Wehrmacht-Blitzkrieg again within a Few months. (The reason why i compare it to the UK is to Show that even though we dont practically are a World Power by kaides Definition, we could be easy.)

[sirkaide]

The thing with Germany when it Comes to military is just: We  could do a lot, but we just dont want to. This has two main reasons: 1. Obvious historic Ones 2. Our participation in the NATO; German military has no need to be able to defend the Country on its own alone, because its Very unlikely we would be Attacked on our own alone. We are the 4. Biggest Economy in the World (our GDP is 1.2 billions higher Than the UK <3), we are the main payer in the EU, the most important trading Partner for dozens of countries, there are nearly 30 Million people in Germany theoretically being able to be put into military Service in case of war (while only about 22 Million in the UK). Just give us a reason and we would be able to go full scale Wehrmacht-Blitzkrieg again within a Few months. (The reason why i compare it to the UK is to Show that even though we dont practically are a World Power by kaides Definition, we could be easy.)

Exactly what I meant by a reluctant world power. However, as the EU continues to take on the trapping of statehood, we will soon talking of the EU as a superpower and Germany a mere state of the EU.

[Von Bergen]

The thing with Germany when it Comes to military is just: We  could do a lot, but we just dont want to. This has two main reasons: 1. Obvious historic Ones 2. Our participation in the NATO; German military has no need to be able to defend the Country on its own alone, because its Very unlikely we would be Attacked on our own alone. We are the 4. Biggest Economy in the World (our GDP is 1.2 billions higher Than the UK <3), we are the main payer in the EU, the most important trading Partner for dozens of countries, there are nearly 30 Million people in Germany theoretically being able to be put into military Service in case of war (while only about 22 Million in the UK). Just give us a reason and we would be able to go full scale Wehrmacht-Blitzkrieg again within a Few months. (The reason why i compare it to the UK is to Show that even though we dont practically are a World Power by kaides Definition, we could be easy.)

Exactly what I meant by a reluctant world power. However, as the EU continues to take on the trapping of statehood, we will soon talking of the EU as a superpower and Germany a mere state of the EU.

Speaking from a laywers point of view the EU is not more than a Brunch of treaties. In scale of international law we speak of a construct "sui generis" (of its own kind) and it will be no more until we get loose of the idea of nationalitys in europe, and until that point it will take decades, which the EU has to survive First.

[Tylerus]

The thing with Germany when it Comes to military is just: We  could do a lot, but we just dont want to. This has two main reasons: 1. Obvious historic Ones 2. Our participation in the NATO; German military has no need to be able to defend the Country on its own alone, because its Very unlikely we would be Attacked on our own alone. We are the 4. Biggest Economy in the World (our GDP is 1.2 billions higher Than the UK <3), we are the main payer in the EU, the most important trading Partner for dozens of countries, there are nearly 30 Million people in Germany theoretically being able to be put into military Service in case of war (while only about 22 Million in the UK). Just give us a reason and we would be able to go full scale Wehrmacht-Blitzkrieg again within a Few months. (The reason why i compare it to the UK is to Show that even though we dont practically are a World Power by kaides Definition, we could be easy.)

Exactly what I meant by a reluctant world power. However, as the EU continues to take on the trapping of statehood, we will soon talking of the EU as a superpower and Germany a mere state of the EU.

Speaking from a laywers point of view the EU is not more than a Brunch of treaties. In scale of international law we speak of a construct "sui generis" (of its own kind) and it will be no more until we get loose of the idea of nationalitys in europe, and until that point it will take decades, which the EU has to survive First.

That's just a simple perspective of de jure and de facto though isn't it? in practice the EU did not respect the will of the member states, even when it came to the agreement of said treaties. I do agree however that the EU may not survive to see the day that it's members merely become states, ( I hope) but it does appear to becoming more of a reality, especially when you look at how much contempt the EU treat's it's member's sovereignty, which is an enormous amount.

[SilverBolt]

You are using the title of world power like its nothing special, maybe because GB was considered the third World power in the cold war and your post Cold war media still clings onto these memorys of grandeur. But there is a great difference between you and real world powers
for me a world power is a absolutely dominant power in their sphere. USA and China are basically unrivaled by other nations, they can just strongman themself into any theatre if they wish and will be a major point of consideration when you do any international moves in the world
Neither of the European powers hold such power, an United EU could though (which is one of the reasons why i consider an Brexit complete bs and political suicide)
So basically you missed my entire point and dedicated an entire post to one sentence which just meant to demonstrate your wonky definition

Germany isnt a world power because we lack the naval power and political influence outside of europe yes. We are a regional power constrained to continental politics due to our geopolitical situation
Germany is basically an EU Hegemon, especially when we continue our political alliance with france since no EU nation can rival the power of Germany and france combined

what do you mean with "trappings of statehood"? Didnt you get the memo of European decline? None of the EU states will be a significant global player when we keep on thinking inside the old box of nationstates. Until 2050, if we still live as a human race, Africa and Asia will overtake Europe as centers of economic activity, heck, asian powers like India and China have already overtaken us without the public noticing it

[sirkaide]

You are using the title of world power like its nothing special, maybe because GB was considered the third World power in the cold war and your post Cold war media still clings onto these memorys of grandeur. But there is a great difference between you and real world powers
for me a world power is a absolutely dominant power in their sphere. USA and China are basically unrivaled by other nations, they can just strongman themself into any theatre if they wish and will be a major point of consideration when you do any international moves in the world
Neither of the European powers hold such power, an United EU could though (which is one of the reasons why i consider an Brexit complete bs and political suicide)
So basically you missed my entire point and dedicated an entire post to one sentence which just meant to demonstrate your wonky definition

Germany isnt a world power because we lack the naval power and political influence outside of europe yes. We are a regional power constrained to continental politics due to our geopolitical situation
Germany is basically an EU Hegemon, especially when we continue our political alliance with france since no EU nation can rival the power of Germany and france combined

what do you mean with "trappings of statehood"? Didnt you get the memo of European decline? None of the EU states will be a significant global player when we keep on thinking inside the old box of nationstates. Until 2050, if we still live as a human race, Africa and Asia will overtake Europe as centers of economic activity, heck, asian powers like India and China have already overtaken us without the public noticing it

"They can just strongman themselves into any sphere".

Not true at all. China has one aircraft carrier that was previously a Soviet Union carrier, which was acquired not too long ago. You can't get to theatres without a blue water-navy. Something the Chinese have only started to develop. Unlike the UKs two new freshly built carriers. Though China is developing it's own carriers.

China in the modern area has never left it's own region. So we have no idea what a Chinese foreign conflict would look like.

China and the US are superpowers not global powers. China has close allies aside North Korea. Unlike France and the UK.

[Von Bergen]

The thing with Germany when it Comes to military is just: We  could do a lot, but we just dont want to. This has two main reasons: 1. Obvious historic Ones 2. Our participation in the NATO; German military has no need to be able to defend the Country on its own alone, because its Very unlikely we would be Attacked on our own alone. We are the 4. Biggest Economy in the World (our GDP is 1.2 billions higher Than the UK <3), we are the main payer in the EU, the most important trading Partner for dozens of countries, there are nearly 30 Million people in Germany theoretically being able to be put into military Service in case of war (while only about 22 Million in the UK). Just give us a reason and we would be able to go full scale Wehrmacht-Blitzkrieg again within a Few months. (The reason why i compare it to the UK is to Show that even though we dont practically are a World Power by kaides Definition, we could be easy.)

Exactly what I meant by a reluctant world power. However, as the EU continues to take on the trapping of statehood, we will soon talking of the EU as a superpower and Germany a mere state of the EU.

Speaking from a laywers point of view the EU is not more than a Brunch of treaties. In scale of international law we speak of a construct "sui generis" (of its own kind) and it will be no more until we get loose of the idea of nationalitys in europe, and until that point it will take decades, which the EU has to survive First.

That's just a simple perspective of de jure and de facto though isn't it? in practice the EU did not respect the will of the member states, even when it came to the agreement of said treaties. I do agree however that the EU may not survive to see the day that it's members merely become states, ( I hope) but it does appear to becoming more of a reality, especially when you look at how much contempt the EU treat's it's member's sovereignty, which is an enormous amount.

The dejure perspective is the defacto perspective when it comes to the EU. Defacto there is no such thing as "The EU", Every EU Institution consists either of Member States representatives or people elected by the Member states. Saying the EU with is treaties is not respecting its MS will is, sry for that, pure bullshit. Every Treatie defining the EU and its powers had and has to be ratified in every single national Parliament. In all core issues there is not even the possibility to make decisions with majority vote, but all Member states have to agree together. I can go way more into detail on This if you want, but for now let me just say the following: The wide known Image of the Power hungry and mighty decision making EU could not be more far from reality, it was just found by (mostly populistic) politicans trying to blame someone else for their Problems.

[Auror Davee]

Nice that ya all talk about the 23rd  oh wait