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Title: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: sidney crosby on August 15, 2019, 05:28:02 am
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might do RB's and WR's too
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Yete111 on August 15, 2019, 05:39:42 am
Tom Brady is the BEST he deserves better. Don't disrespect him like that.

Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Sanders on August 15, 2019, 05:42:22 am
drop Jameis to shitty
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: sidney crosby on August 15, 2019, 05:44:12 am
drop Jameis to shitty

he’s already there
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Sanders on August 15, 2019, 05:47:34 am
Nathan Peterman?
Jameis deserves his own category
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Yete111 on August 15, 2019, 05:51:25 am
You also sleeping on my man Cam Newton. Just wait he will be making a comeback.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: BabyJesus on August 15, 2019, 05:52:32 am
I think Stafford could be moved up.

I’m biased
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Cwater on August 15, 2019, 05:57:55 am
Oh god we must hide this from Fireboy
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Windflower on August 15, 2019, 05:59:21 am
drop Jameis to shitty
FAMOUS JAMEIS NEVER 4GET

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ulJykU1eYU
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: fireboy on August 15, 2019, 07:37:10 am
Low tier bait
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on August 15, 2019, 07:38:37 am
It’s never too soon to realize that Sam Darnold is the best quarterback in the NFL.

Stafford is an above average quarterback. As much as I love Fitzmagic he is a below average quarterback. If it’s too soon to tell for Darnold and Allen then it’s too soon for Rosen. I think he has the potential to be a very good QB. Was just in an awful situation last season.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: sidney crosby on August 15, 2019, 08:02:00 am
It’s never too soon to realize that Sam Darnold is the best quarterback in the NFL.

Stafford is an above average quarterback. As much as I love Fitzmagic he is a below average quarterback. If it’s too soon to tell for Darnold and Allen then it’s too soon for Rosen. I think he has the potential to be a very good QB. Was just in an awful situation last season.

Stafford is right in the middle of average and above average, and his career feels all too average to actually put him in the above average category IMO.

Josh Allen: Lowkey the most exciting quarterback to watch, dude honestly has the strongest arm in the NFL and after his injury was running for over 100 yards every game. I don't think he'll be great or even good but he's fucking entertaining.

Darnold: was a beast his last couple games despite looking like a bum early on

Rosen: already lost the job to fitzpatrick which is making me put him in the shitty category, I like his upside the least out of the 3.


Low tier bait
Tom Brady is the BEST he deserves better. Don't disrespect him like that.



hello bradytards, remember when tom brady got injured and matt cassel came in and the Patriots went 11-5? I remember, matt cassel hadn't started a game since HIGH SCHOOL

let me reiterate that

HIGH SCHOOL
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Yete111 on August 15, 2019, 04:53:34 pm
It’s never too soon to realize that Sam Darnold is the best quarterback in the NFL.

Stafford is an above average quarterback. As much as I love Fitzmagic he is a below average quarterback. If it’s too soon to tell for Darnold and Allen then it’s too soon for Rosen. I think he has the potential to be a very good QB. Was just in an awful situation last season.

Stafford is right in the middle of average and above average, and his career feels all too average to actually put him in the above average category IMO.

Josh Allen: Lowkey the most exciting quarterback to watch, dude honestly has the strongest arm in the NFL and after his injury was running for over 100 yards every game. I don't think he'll be great or even good but he's fucking entertaining.

Darnold: was a beast his last couple games despite looking like a bum early on

Rosen: already lost the job to fitzpatrick which is making me put him in the shitty category, I like his upside the least out of the 3.


Low tier bait
Tom Brady is the BEST he deserves better. Don't disrespect him like that.



hello bradytards, remember when tom brady got injured and matt cassel came in and the Patriots went 11-5? I remember, matt cassel hadn't started a game since HIGH SCHOOL

let me reiterate that

HIGH SCHOOL

You remember when Tom Brady was drafted 199th. Didn't have any personality that stuck out. No speed, no Size, and even his throw not being that good compared to other Quarterbacks.  But managed to go from there to getting 3 league MVP awards, 6 Superbowl wins, 4 Superbowl MVP awards. And also did I mention holding over 54 records.

And all the countless other things he has done.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on August 15, 2019, 05:47:26 pm
To be fair Matt Cassel played behind two of the best college quarterbacks I’ve ever watched in Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart. They both won the Heisman at USC. Cassel is one of the GOAT backups.

Stafford has shown to be one of the few bright spots on a consistently mediocre team. He has been stuck with limited talent at running back, wide receiver, and tight end. His best player on offense since Calvin Johnson retired was Golden Tate. He’s also one of the toughest quarterbacks. He gets banged up a lot and still plays through it.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Sanders on August 15, 2019, 06:05:25 pm
lol ur team went 0-16 one time like stop
Lions management trash at scouting and drafting
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Guanchito on August 15, 2019, 06:26:10 pm
Sam Darnold(1 season) - Too Soon, Rosen(1 season) - Shitty (???)

Watson hasnt seen a blitz since he joined the league, hes good but definitely not close to elite yet.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on August 15, 2019, 07:14:54 pm
lol ur team went 0-16 one time like stop
Lions management trash at scouting and drafting

If you’re referring to me I am not a Lions fan. I’m a Jets fan. I just think Stafford is underrated.

Sam Darnold(1 season) - Too Soon, Rosen(1 season) - Shitty (???)

Watson hasnt seen a blitz since he joined the league, hes good but definitely not close to elite yet.


Idk if you mean to say that Darnold was as bad as Rosen this year or not, but I’ll just say that Darnold was the highest rated quarterback in the last 4 games of the season. Rosen had maybe 1 or 2 decent games all year. I also think it’s too soon to judge Rosen yet, but he was definitely the worst rookie qb this year.

Also have to say Watson is a stud.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Guanchito on August 15, 2019, 07:27:58 pm
lol ur team went 0-16 one time like stop
Lions management trash at scouting and drafting

If you’re referring to me I am not a Lions fan. I’m a Jets fan. I just think Stafford is underrated.

Sam Darnold(1 season) - Too Soon, Rosen(1 season) - Shitty (???)

Watson hasnt seen a blitz since he joined the league, hes good but definitely not close to elite yet.


Idk if you mean to say that Darnold was as bad as Rosen this year or not, but I’ll just say that Darnold was the highest rated quarterback in the last 4 games of the season. Rosen had maybe 1 or 2 decent games all year. I also think it’s too soon to judge Rosen yet, but he was definitely the worst rookie qb this year.

Also have to say Watson is a stud.

Nah i just meant that we shouldnt judge all those QBs yet, remember that Carr and Mariota looked really good at the beginning of their careers and now both of them are in doubt.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: ShintoSkookum on August 15, 2019, 10:37:17 pm
based on your list, andy dalton needs to be lower
hes below average at best
based on statlines, mariota, manning, trubisky, and JAMEIS WINSTON all had better seasons
all had a higher QBR and way higher completion percentage
QBR:
trubisky: 95.4
manning: 92.4
mariota: 92.3
winston: 90.2
dalton: 89.6

completion percentage:
mariota: 68.9
trubisky: 66.6
manning: 66.0
winston: 64.6
dalton: 61.9

passing touchdowns:
trubisky: 24
manning: 21
dalton: 21
winston: 19
mariota: 11

interceptions:
winston: 14
trubisky: 12
dalton: 11
manning: 11
mariota: 8

the only thing dalton is average at is not throwing interceptions


Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on August 16, 2019, 12:02:14 am
Ryan Finley will start over Andy Dalton by the end of the year mark my words.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: MikeyBruh on August 18, 2019, 07:49:37 am
eli needs a bump up now!!!!
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Windflower on August 18, 2019, 09:55:43 pm
why do ppl hate on famous jameis so much :'(
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on August 18, 2019, 11:22:51 pm
why do ppl hate on famous jameis so much :'(

Cause he’s an idiot. I’m a biased Miami fan and hate him for playing at Florida State, but even putting that aside he still makes boneheaded plays. If anyone can help save his career it will be Bruce Arians tho.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Sgt.Winters on August 25, 2019, 05:45:12 am
bye andrew
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: ~NickCole~ on August 25, 2019, 05:47:22 am
bye andrew
RIP the Colts' season
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Jakester on August 25, 2019, 09:51:42 pm
bye andrew
RIP the Colts' season
Brissett isn't bad..
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on August 25, 2019, 11:36:10 pm
Colts should trade for Eli. Dude would ball out with that o-line. Manning legacy.

Luck probably would've had the best year of his career this year which makes it even more sad for Colts fans.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: sidney crosby on October 09, 2019, 09:58:39 pm
updated it

QBs not on the list likely fall under too soon
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Windflower on October 09, 2019, 10:12:48 pm
Jimmy G, Famous Jameis  ^

Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: ShintoSkookum on October 09, 2019, 11:13:01 pm
imagine putting drew brees at average

also add teddy nerd
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on October 10, 2019, 02:37:29 am
aaron rodgers the greatest QB of all time
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: sidney crosby on October 10, 2019, 05:04:53 am
imagine putting drew brees at average

also add teddy nerd

teddy is A checkdown machine
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on October 10, 2019, 08:40:03 am
Add Kyle Allen to promising. Cam is shit and shouldn’t get the starting job back even when healthy.

Missing Teddy at average.

Brissett has been good.

Brees is still great.

Add Minshew to promising.

Derek Carr is borderline above average.

Watson is great.

Kirk has been so shitty he had to publicly apologize to his receivers.

Josh Allen is still promising to me. Dude has wheels and is big with a crazy arm.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: RussianFury on October 10, 2019, 05:46:23 pm
I think Matt Ryan should at least be above average. Even though Atlanta has a losing record he is one of few carrying the falcons to close losses rather than blowouts.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: sidney crosby on October 10, 2019, 09:05:50 pm
all good points, maybe I am a little too harsh on Matt Ryan instead of his coaching.  Kyle allen and minshew too soon to rate, I wonder if jacksonville will start foles when he’s back considering the amount he’s being paid.

Josh Allen is my man but he turns it over too much

the saints are weird
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on October 10, 2019, 09:19:08 pm
all good points, maybe I am a little too harsh on Matt Ryan instead of his coaching.  Kyle allen and minshew too soon to rate, I wonder if jacksonville will start foles when he’s back considering the amount he’s being paid.

Josh Allen is my man but he turns it over too much

the saints are weird

Kyle Allen and Gardner Minshew are definitely promising young quarterbacks. I think Foles will stay benched if they keep winning without him but it’ll change fast if they lose.

I think Kyle Allen will be the future for Carolina. Will Grier hasn’t panned out clearly so far otherwise he’d have been starting. Kyle Allen is the guy for now IMO. Dudes only 23 too.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Cytiuz on October 10, 2019, 09:56:14 pm
This is cool and all but how bout them Miami Dolphins?
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: ~NickCole~ on October 10, 2019, 11:25:33 pm
Baker starting to look like a fluke.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: sidney crosby on October 13, 2019, 10:56:58 pm
jameis going back to dogshit, kirk cousins played really well, jimmy g throws a HORRENDOUS redzone INT.

this shit is impossible to rate
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Windflower on October 13, 2019, 11:39:24 pm
sam darnold is BACK baby
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on October 14, 2019, 04:12:45 am
sam darnold is BACK baby

SAM THE SAVIOR BABY LETS GOOOOO!!!!!

J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS

HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS AH HA HA
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: ~NickCole~ on October 14, 2019, 05:11:11 am
The Cowboys are "America's" Team
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Hawkince on October 14, 2019, 05:34:34 am
Add Kyle Allen to promising. Cam is shit and shouldn’t get the starting job back even when healthy.

Missing Teddy at average.

Brissett has been good.

Brees is still great.

Add Minshew to promising.

Derek Carr is borderline above average.

Watson is great.

Kirk has been so shitty he had to publicly apologize to his receivers.

Josh Allen is still promising to me. Dude has wheels and is big with a crazy arm.

Whole lotta cap in that first take. Kyle Allen is a game manager not a game changer. He's had 7 fumbles so far and isn't nearly as mobile. You guys shit on Newton for his recent performance but it's clear he was playing hurt and he even admits to hiding his injury from the coaches. Christian McCaffrey is a MVP candidate and easily the best back in the league right now, the dude is literally 3/4 of their offense. With Cam back that's another person you have to watch for and usually someone that diverts eyes from other weapons making the jobs of the rest of the panthers easier. When you put a spy to watch Newton that's another dude not covering Moore or Samuel. Olsen and Newton also have much more chemistry than Allen does and Cam can prolong plays to help him downfield. Their defense and special teams are also playing very well, with 7 turnovers and 7 sacks today.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on October 14, 2019, 08:02:44 am
Add Kyle Allen to promising. Cam is shit and shouldn’t get the starting job back even when healthy.

Missing Teddy at average.

Brissett has been good.

Brees is still great.

Add Minshew to promising.

Derek Carr is borderline above average.

Watson is great.

Kirk has been so shitty he had to publicly apologize to his receivers.

Josh Allen is still promising to me. Dude has wheels and is big with a crazy arm.

Whole lotta cap in that first take. Kyle Allen is a game manager not a game changer. He's had 7 fumbles so far and isn't nearly as mobile. You guys shit on Newton for his recent performance but it's clear he was playing hurt and he even admits to hiding his injury from the coaches. Christian McCaffrey is a MVP candidate and easily the best back in the league right now, the dude is literally 3/4 of their offense. With Cam back that's another person you have to watch for and usually someone that diverts eyes from other weapons making the jobs of the rest of the panthers easier. When you put a spy to watch Newton that's another dude not covering Moore or Samuel. Olsen and Newton also have much more chemistry than Allen does and Cam can prolong plays to help him downfield. Their defense and special teams are also playing very well, with 7 turnovers and 7 sacks today.

Cam Newton can’t stay healthy. When he is healthy, he still isn’t as accurate as Kyle Allen. McCaffrey as a cushion is obviously helping Kyle Allen, the same as it would literally any other quarterback in the league. You don’t necessarily need a game changing quarterback with this team. You need a guy that can make all the passes you need and not throw the ball to the other team. That’s exactly what Kyle Allen has provided and he is 4-0 as the starter now. The offense has been averaging 10 points more per game with Allen than with Newton. Kyle Allen isn’t as talented as Cam but he is healthy and consistent and a better passer. How the hell are you gonna bench a 4-0 quarterback that has improved the teams offense.

Oh wait. He’s actually 5-0 now.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Hawkince on October 14, 2019, 10:17:28 pm
Add Kyle Allen to promising. Cam is shit and shouldn’t get the starting job back even when healthy.

Missing Teddy at average.

Brissett has been good.

Brees is still great.

Add Minshew to promising.

Derek Carr is borderline above average.

Watson is great.

Kirk has been so shitty he had to publicly apologize to his receivers.

Josh Allen is still promising to me. Dude has wheels and is big with a crazy arm.

Whole lotta cap in that first take. Kyle Allen is a game manager not a game changer. He's had 7 fumbles so far and isn't nearly as mobile. You guys shit on Newton for his recent performance but it's clear he was playing hurt and he even admits to hiding his injury from the coaches. Christian McCaffrey is a MVP candidate and easily the best back in the league right now, the dude is literally 3/4 of their offense. With Cam back that's another person you have to watch for and usually someone that diverts eyes from other weapons making the jobs of the rest of the panthers easier. When you put a spy to watch Newton that's another dude not covering Moore or Samuel. Olsen and Newton also have much more chemistry than Allen does and Cam can prolong plays to help him downfield. Their defense and special teams are also playing very well, with 7 turnovers and 7 sacks today.

Cam Newton can’t stay healthy. When he is healthy, he still isn’t as accurate as Kyle Allen. McCaffrey as a cushion is obviously helping Kyle Allen, the same as it would literally any other quarterback in the league. You don’t necessarily need a game changing quarterback with this team. You need a guy that can make all the passes you need and not throw the ball to the other team. That’s exactly what Kyle Allen has provided and he is 4-0 as the starter now. The offense has been averaging 10 points more per game with Allen than with Newton. Kyle Allen isn’t as talented as Cam but he is healthy and consistent and a better passer. How the hell are you gonna bench a 4-0 quarterback that has improved the teams offense.

Oh wait. He’s actually 5-0 now.

Me and you both know (or maybe not) that he's not 5-0. He played half a game in week 17 against the saints when they were guaranteed their playoff spot and rested all their starters. If you watched any panthers game you would know that game was meaningless to the saints and you would also know Taylor Heincke finished that game. Cam Newton's health hasn't been 100 since late 2018 and yet you can sit here and say Kyle Allen is more accurate when all he's done is manage the game. His lack of athleticism removes an entire dynamic of the game that is clearly missed especially when he's forced to make an off balance pass instead of scrambling. You never addressed his ball security issues either, 7 fumbles in 4 games this season isn't pretty.

To say CMC is a "cushion" is a gross understatement. Christian McCaffrey is literally on the field 96% (left late in the Jags game with cramps) of the time this season and on every single snap he's out there has to be accounted for. Very rarely is he not a focal point of the defense and this season currently has 162 touches leading all players in the NFL. To put that in perspective Kyle Allen has 122 pass attempts total (scaled up to 6 games it's 183). If you look at a similar workhorse backs Leonard Fournette (141 2nd in the NFL) and Nick Chubb (134 3rd) their quarterbacks Baker Mayfield (198) and Gardner Minshew (194, who only started 5 games) have much more pass attempts to their touches. Kyle Allen has 21 more attempts than CMC touches while Baker and Minshew average 58.5 (almost 3x) more than Chubb and Fournette respectively.

While Kyle Allen has been playing great and it's great to have a good backup, it's ridiculous to consider him over Cam Newton. He's a good game manager and can get the ball to our playmakers, it's clear that this defense and arguable MVP CMC has been carrying the load in Cam's absence.

Edit: To add we also lead the league in sacks, rushing touchdowns, and are second in INTs. Luke is tied for most tackles, Bradberry for passes defended, CMC in rushing yards and 3rd in TO differential, despite Kyle Allen's ball security issues.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on October 15, 2019, 07:30:39 am
I think you’re overblowing fumbles for quarterbacks. They fumble more than any position for obvious reasons. Kyle Allen is up there with Minshew, Cousins, Goff, Watson, and Dalton for fumbles right now. All these guys have pretty bad offensive lines. Allen has also only fumbled once in his last two games. The difference here is that Kyle Allen has 0 interceptions.

Allen does a much better job of finding his outlets than Cam. He spreads out the defense more than Cam which helps McCaffrey get more space to operate. With Cam in, the defense just has to focus on the backfield instead of worrying about the receivers.

If Kyle Allen keeps winning games I think Cam should be saved for later. Cam could come back when fully healthy instead of being rushed, which is perfect for the Panthers. Cam has more talent but if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Hawkince on October 15, 2019, 07:44:58 am
I think you’re overblowing fumbles for quarterbacks. They fumble more than any position for obvious reasons. Kyle Allen is up there with Minshew, Cousins, Goff, Watson, and Dalton for fumbles right now. All these guys have pretty bad offensive lines. Allen has also only fumbled once in his last two games. The difference here is that Kyle Allen has 0 interceptions.

Allen does a much better job of finding his outlets than Cam. He spreads out the defense more than Cam which helps McCaffrey get more space to operate. With Cam in, the defense just has to focus on the backfield instead of worrying about the receivers.

If Kyle Allen keeps winning games I think Cam should be saved for later. Cam could come back when fully healthy instead of being rushed, which is perfect for the Panthers. Cam has more talent but if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

A fumble is a turnover just like an interception is you can't just disregard them because they happen in the backfield. In fact I would argue that they're worse than interceptions as at least they usually happen more downfield.

As for "finding outlets" you failed to address any of my points about how McCaffrey and the play of the rest of the panthers have bolstered him. To even attempt to say Allen spreads the defense out more is blasphemous. With Cam in they have to watch all 11 players, sideline to sideline. It's no secret Cam Newton is a better athlete than Allen and has a much bigger arm as well. His scrambling ability forces someone to spy and allows more room for his receivers to operate, frankly the opposite of what you are saying about "spreading out the defense". There is no way you can say that "they don't have to worry about receivers" when Cam is in. That's a ridiculous take and fails to account for the fact that this is arguably the best supporting cast the panthers have ever had.

I do agree, there's no need to rush Cam back but he has 2 weeks now to get right for their next game against the 49ers and frankly if he's healthy there's no way Kyle Allen should start over him. In fact Schefter reported that Cam's injury has healed well and expects him to be healthy soon. (https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1183872112303493121?s=21)
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: BabyJesus on October 15, 2019, 01:27:18 pm
I hope cam comes back and the panthers tank
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Dan the Seagull Chef on October 15, 2019, 08:10:05 pm
I hope cam comes back and the panthers tank
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Hawkince on October 16, 2019, 01:41:07 am
die
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: MikeyBruh on October 16, 2019, 02:21:47 am
danny to low
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on October 29, 2019, 06:19:09 pm
Told y’all Ryan Finley would replace Dalton this year.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: sidney crosby on October 29, 2019, 06:37:06 pm
need to see some trades today
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: ShintoSkookum on October 29, 2019, 06:38:14 pm
Told y’all Ryan Finley would replace Dalton this year.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: ~NickCole~ on October 29, 2019, 07:08:59 pm
blasphemous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoJtwYSLeMw
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Hawkince on November 21, 2019, 09:06:30 am
Lol where are all the Kyle Allen stans now boomers smdh
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on November 21, 2019, 06:45:58 pm
Lol where are all the Kyle Allen stans now boomers smdh

He ain't the long term answer but clearly he's better than Cam rn. Best ability is availability and Cam is made of glass. He still has a winning record with this shaky team too.

Panthers are lucky this draft class has 5 studs at the top of the draft at QB.

Also the Falcons game is his only game where I can fully blame him for the loss. The 49ers have the best defense rn so obviously he was gonna get rocked by them. Green Bay is also a top team in the NFL and he basically led them all the way down the field in the end and would've won the game if there was a better angle for the review on the last play.

When Kyle Allen has to throw the ball 43 times and 50 times you know you're fucked and that's what happened the last two games. I'm no Kyle Allen stan but if you think the Panthers should be any better than they are right now you're crazy. They have overperformed.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Hawkince on November 23, 2019, 02:22:37 am
Lol where are all the Kyle Allen stans now boomers smdh

He ain't the long term answer but clearly he's better than Cam rn. Best ability is availability and Cam is made of glass. He still has a winning record with this shaky team too.

Panthers are lucky this draft class has 5 studs at the top of the draft at QB.

Also the Falcons game is his only game where I can fully blame him for the loss. The 49ers have the best defense rn so obviously he was gonna get rocked by them. Green Bay is also a top team in the NFL and he basically led them all the way down the field in the end and would've won the game if there was a better angle for the review on the last play.

When Kyle Allen has to throw the ball 43 times and 50 times you know you're fucked and that's what happened the last two games. I'm no Kyle Allen stan but if you think the Panthers should be any better than they are right now you're crazy. They have overperformed.

https://twitter.com/billym_91/status/1197928900275425282?s=21 Kyle Allen isn't half the quarterback Cam Newton is and in all honestly we can easily win the Packers and Falcons game with Cam Newton. He just doesn't have the arm strength, elusiveness, speed or athleticism that Cam does and there's no way in hell the Panthers draft a QB this season. I don't know what you mean by 5 studs at the top of the draft because Tua is easily the #1 prospect this year even with being hurt. Then who? Joe Burrow? Jake Fromm?
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on November 26, 2019, 02:11:18 am
Lol where are all the Kyle Allen stans now boomers smdh

He ain't the long term answer but clearly he's better than Cam rn. Best ability is availability and Cam is made of glass. He still has a winning record with this shaky team too.

Panthers are lucky this draft class has 5 studs at the top of the draft at QB.

Also the Falcons game is his only game where I can fully blame him for the loss. The 49ers have the best defense rn so obviously he was gonna get rocked by them. Green Bay is also a top team in the NFL and he basically led them all the way down the field in the end and would've won the game if there was a better angle for the review on the last play.

When Kyle Allen has to throw the ball 43 times and 50 times you know you're fucked and that's what happened the last two games. I'm no Kyle Allen stan but if you think the Panthers should be any better than they are right now you're crazy. They have overperformed.

https://twitter.com/billym_91/status/1197928900275425282?s=21 Kyle Allen isn't half the quarterback Cam Newton is and in all honestly we can easily win the Packers and Falcons game with Cam Newton. He just doesn't have the arm strength, elusiveness, speed or athleticism that Cam does and there's no way in hell the Panthers draft a QB this season. I don't know what you mean by 5 studs at the top of the draft because Tua is easily the #1 prospect this year even with being hurt. Then who? Joe Burrow? Jake Fromm?

Tua Tagovailoa
Joe Burrow
Justin Herbert
Jake Fromm
Jacob Eason

These guys are all capable of being taken in the first round. Then there are guys like Jalen Hurts, Kellen Mond, Jordan Love, and others that can improve their draft stock.

Then next years class will also have some interesting qb prospects especially if Eason stays another year.

I am a big Tua guy and I love him but after the injury he definitely isn't safe at #1 IMO.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on December 02, 2019, 05:04:43 am
Told y’all Ryan Finley would replace Dalton this year.
this didnt age well LMAO

Well it still happened so I was still right. Sadly Dalton gets his resurgence and smacks my Jets.

Being a Jets fan is the worst thing in the world. Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: BabyJesus on December 02, 2019, 05:31:22 am
Told y’all Ryan Finley would replace Dalton this year.
this didnt age well LMAO

Well it still happened so I was still right. Sadly Dalton gets his resurgence and smacks my Jets.

Being a Jets fan is the worst thing in the world. Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
atleast you won a super bowl at some point
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: sidney crosby on December 30, 2019, 04:33:42 pm
my recent one was really bad sorry I deleted it, was so disrespectful tbh.

any1 wanna do playoff pick ems??

$10 steam gift 4 winner
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: ~NickCole~ on December 30, 2019, 07:48:34 pm
my recent one was really bad sorry I deleted it, was so disrespectful tbh.

any1 wanna do playoff pick ems??

$10 steam gift 4 winner
I’m down!
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Wastee on December 30, 2019, 08:33:51 pm
my recent one was really bad sorry I deleted it, was so disrespectful tbh.

any1 wanna do playoff pick ems??

$10 steam gift 4 winner
I’m down!
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: fireboy on December 30, 2019, 09:01:51 pm
my recent one was really bad sorry I deleted it, was so disrespectful tbh.

any1 wanna do playoff pick ems??

$10 steam gift 4 winner
I’m down!
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: BabyJesus on December 30, 2019, 11:55:17 pm
I’ll bet $10 fireboy still thinks the patriots are Super Bowl favorites
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: fireboy on December 31, 2019, 12:31:12 am
I’ll bet $10 fireboy still thinks the patriots are Super Bowl favorites

Bout to run the table baby!
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Hawkince on December 31, 2019, 12:34:00 am
Add Kyle Allen to promising. Cam is shit and shouldn’t get the starting job back even when healthy.

Missing Teddy at average.

Brissett has been good.

Brees is still great.

Add Minshew to promising.

Derek Carr is borderline above average.

Watson is great.

Kirk has been so shitty he had to publicly apologize to his receivers.

Josh Allen is still promising to me. Dude has wheels and is big with a crazy arm.

???

Throwback
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: sidney crosby on December 31, 2019, 06:49:44 pm
Ok I’ll set up a group and everything on Thursday/Friday

tell ur friends
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on January 04, 2020, 01:03:30 am
Add Kyle Allen to promising. Cam is shit and shouldn’t get the starting job back even when healthy.

Missing Teddy at average.

Brissett has been good.

Brees is still great.

Add Minshew to promising.

Derek Carr is borderline above average.

Watson is great.

Kirk has been so shitty he had to publicly apologize to his receivers.

Josh Allen is still promising to me. Dude has wheels and is big with a crazy arm.

???

Throwback

Was right on everything except Kyle Allen and Kirk Cousins (even tho during that stretch he actually was terrible).
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Hawkince on January 04, 2020, 02:04:26 am
Add Kyle Allen to promising. Cam is shit and shouldn’t get the starting job back even when healthy.

Missing Teddy at average.

Brissett has been good.

Brees is still great.

Add Minshew to promising.

Derek Carr is borderline above average.

Watson is great.

Kirk has been so shitty he had to publicly apologize to his receivers.

Josh Allen is still promising to me. Dude has wheels and is big with a crazy arm.

???

Throwback

Was right on everything except Kyle Allen and Kirk Cousins (even tho during that stretch he actually was terrible).

Bro what everything was pretty much wrong

Teddy went undefeated and played fine in the stead of Brees and is expected to either replace Brees or find a big contract in the offseason

Brees is still great isn't that much of a hot take but you got that correct ig

Gardner Minshew was overhyped and ended the season with a 60.6% Comp PCT good for 29th in the league and 21st in YPG @ 233.6

Derek Carr had a 2nd league best 70.3% Comp PCT despite being tied for 7th in sack PCT and posted a 9th best QB Rating @ 100.8

Deshaun Watson is great

Josh Allen plays with one of the best defenses in the league and had a league worst 58.8% Comp PCT and was 30th in the league in YPG @ 193.1

Almost everything was wrong except for Deshaun Watson and Drew Brees are great which aren't exactly hot takes
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on January 04, 2020, 06:14:24 pm
Add Kyle Allen to promising. Cam is shit and shouldn’t get the starting job back even when healthy.

Missing Teddy at average.

Brissett has been good.

Brees is still great.

Add Minshew to promising.

Derek Carr is borderline above average.

Watson is great.

Kirk has been so shitty he had to publicly apologize to his receivers.

Josh Allen is still promising to me. Dude has wheels and is big with a crazy arm.

???

Throwback

Was right on everything except Kyle Allen and Kirk Cousins (even tho during that stretch he actually was terrible).

Bro what everything was pretty much wrong

Teddy went undefeated and played fine in the stead of Brees and is expected to either replace Brees or find a big contract in the offseason

Brees is still great isn't that much of a hot take but you got that correct ig

Gardner Minshew was overhyped and ended the season with a 60.6% Comp PCT good for 29th in the league and 21st in YPG @ 233.6

Derek Carr had a 2nd league best 70.3% Comp PCT despite being tied for 7th in sack PCT and posted a 9th best QB Rating @ 100.8

Deshaun Watson is great

Josh Allen plays with one of the best defenses in the league and had a league worst 58.8% Comp PCT and was 30th in the league in YPG @ 193.1

Almost everything was wrong except for Deshaun Watson and Drew Brees are great which aren't exactly hot takes

Keep in mind this was based on the list that Oatmeal had which has since been updated.

You’re insane if you don’t think Josh Allen is a promising young QB. Dude has all the tools to be a good quarterback. He can run better than almost every other QB in the NFL. His arm strength is probably the best in the NFL if not top 5. His size is also fantastic for a QB.

Minshew as well put up better numbers than the other rookie QB’s. Only Kyler Murray was better this year IMO. Also he has the “It” factor. Dudes a great personality.

He had Brees below great which was why I said he should be great. He’s elite and one of the best QBs to ever play.

He had Derek Carr on either average or below average which is why I said he should be above average. I think he is the guy right now in Oakland idk why their fans want to get rid of him so bad.

Teddy is an average quarterback. He did what he had to do and performed well on a stacked team. I like him a lot.

Idk how you think I got everything wrong.
 

 
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on January 05, 2020, 10:38:19 pm
Kirk finally stepped up. Brees sadly not too good today.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: sidney crosby on January 06, 2020, 03:46:34 pm
josh allen got bailed out of a LOT of bad throws that game, despite having a clean pocket and time to throw most of the game. To his credit though it doesn’t seem like he has really any elite level weapons to work with. At the end of the day though he isn’t asked to do all that much and the defense is gonna have to win games for them.

in other words he’s like brady
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: ~NickCole~ on January 06, 2020, 04:20:51 pm
John Brown has proven the last 2 years that he can be a good WR to throw at for the Bills.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on January 06, 2020, 05:05:08 pm
josh allen got bailed out of a LOT of bad throws that game, despite having a clean pocket and time to throw most of the game. To his credit though it doesn’t seem like he has really any elite level weapons to work with. At the end of the day though he isn’t asked to do all that much and the defense is gonna have to win games for them.

in other words he’s like brady

Brady would never rush for over 90 yards. And can’t make some of the throws Allen made in that game. He has John Brown and Cole Beasley who are pretty good options but you’re right he has nothing elite around him. Devin Singletary is a good running back and is only a rookie. I liked him a lot out of college so I think he will be the guy there for a while. Josh Allen has to get smarter. He made some stupid mistakes that cost them the game but also that Texans defense was playing their asses off.

He’s honestly more like a Cam Newton lite than anything else right now. He will improve.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: sidney crosby on January 06, 2020, 09:17:25 pm
John Brown has proven the last 2 years that he can be a good WR to throw at for the Bills.
no doubt

josh allen got bailed out of a LOT of bad throws that game, despite having a clean pocket and time to throw most of the game. To his credit though it doesn’t seem like he has really any elite level weapons to work with. At the end of the day though he isn’t asked to do all that much and the defense is gonna have to win games for them.

in other words he’s like brady

Brady would never rush for over 90 yards. And can’t make some of the throws Allen made in that game. He has John Brown and Cole Beasley who are pretty good options but you’re right he has nothing elite around him. Devin Singletary is a good running back and is only a rookie. I liked him a lot out of college so I think he will be the guy there for a while. Josh Allen has to get smarter. He made some stupid mistakes that cost them the game but also that Texans defense was playing their asses off.

He’s honestly more like a Cam Newton lite than anything else right now. He will improve.
did we watch the same game man lmao josh allen had some ok moments but threw away the game with his terrible decisions... cmon son prime cam and josh allen don’t be disrespectful
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Hawkince on January 07, 2020, 02:30:12 am
Bro what prime Cam Newton was a NFL MVP and led the panthers to a 15-1 record with his best receiver being ted ginn jr smh the disrespect
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on January 07, 2020, 06:05:53 am
John Brown has proven the last 2 years that he can be a good WR to throw at for the Bills.
no doubt

josh allen got bailed out of a LOT of bad throws that game, despite having a clean pocket and time to throw most of the game. To his credit though it doesn’t seem like he has really any elite level weapons to work with. At the end of the day though he isn’t asked to do all that much and the defense is gonna have to win games for them.

in other words he’s like brady

Brady would never rush for over 90 yards. And can’t make some of the throws Allen made in that game. He has John Brown and Cole Beasley who are pretty good options but you’re right he has nothing elite around him. Devin Singletary is a good running back and is only a rookie. I liked him a lot out of college so I think he will be the guy there for a while. Josh Allen has to get smarter. He made some stupid mistakes that cost them the game but also that Texans defense was playing their asses off.

He’s honestly more like a Cam Newton lite than anything else right now. He will improve.
did we watch the same game man lmao josh allen had some ok moments but threw away the game with his terrible decisions... cmon son prime cam and josh allen don’t be disrespectful

Josh Allen did throw the game away as I also said. But he did have some awesome throws. His arm talent is elite and it showed during the game at points, as it has all season.

Cam Newton lite

Who the fuck said prime Cam Newton???
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: sidney crosby on January 07, 2020, 12:51:14 pm
damn reading comprehension
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Hawkince on January 10, 2020, 06:49:34 am
Arm talent isn't everything, Jamarcus Russell may have had the greatest arm in NFL history and where is he now.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on January 10, 2020, 10:01:07 am
Arm talent isn't everything, Jamarcus Russell may have had the greatest arm in NFL history and where is he now.

What does Josh Allen have to do for you to think he’s a promising talent lol
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Hawkince on January 11, 2020, 04:46:35 am
Arm talent isn't everything, Jamarcus Russell may have had the greatest arm in NFL history and where is he now.

What does Josh Allen have to do for you to think he’s a promising talent lol

Bro he had a league worst 58.8 comp pct and was 30th in YPG despite playing with a defense that gave up the 3rd fewest yards and giving up the 2nd fewest points

What makes you think he is a promising talent?
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: BabyJesus on January 11, 2020, 04:54:34 am
Arm talent isn't everything, Jamarcus Russell may have had the greatest arm in NFL history and where is he now.

What does Josh Allen have to do for you to think he’s a promising talent lol

Bro he had a league worst 58.8 comp pct and was 30th in YPG despite playing with a defense that gave up the 3rd fewest yards and giving up the 2nd fewest points

What makes you think he is a promising talent?
he had multiple good games. He’s still young. He’s probably not gonna become great but he can definitely become decent/good
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on January 11, 2020, 11:34:05 pm
Arm talent isn't everything, Jamarcus Russell may have had the greatest arm in NFL history and where is he now.

What does Josh Allen have to do for you to think he’s a promising talent lol

Bro he had a league worst 58.8 comp pct and was 30th in YPG despite playing with a defense that gave up the 3rd fewest yards and giving up the 2nd fewest points

What makes you think he is a promising talent?

I’ve given you reasons already. He clearly has talent and as BabyJ said he has had multiple good games. He threw 20 touchdowns to 9 interceptions. He also ran for over 500 yards and 9 touchdowns.

He’s 6’5, 240 and ran a 4.75 40 yard dash as a QB. With easily one of the most impressive arms in the NFL. Yeah I realize that other QBs with great arms don’t always work out but that’s the same with literally anything.

You make a big deal over his completion percentage right now. Your beloved Cam Newton has a career completion percentage of 59.6. He has 3 winning seasons. In those seasons his completion percentages were 61.7, 59.8, and 59.1. He had a career best 67.9% last year at 29 years old. Josh Allen is 23 and has plenty of time.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Hawkince on January 12, 2020, 12:17:20 am
Arm talent isn't everything, Jamarcus Russell may have had the greatest arm in NFL history and where is he now.

What does Josh Allen have to do for you to think he’s a promising talent lol

Bro he had a league worst 58.8 comp pct and was 30th in YPG despite playing with a defense that gave up the 3rd fewest yards and giving up the 2nd fewest points

What makes you think he is a promising talent?

I’ve given you reasons already. He clearly has talent and as BabyJ said he has had multiple good games. He threw 20 touchdowns to 9 interceptions. He also ran for over 500 yards and 9 touchdowns.

He’s 6’5, 240 and ran a 4.75 40 yard dash as a QB. With easily one of the most impressive arms in the NFL. Yeah I realize that other QBs with great arms don’t always work out but that’s the same with literally anything.

You make a big deal over his completion percentage right now. Your beloved Cam Newton has a career completion percentage of 59.6. He has 3 winning seasons. In those seasons his completion percentages were 61.7, 59.8, and 59.1. He had a career best 67.9% last year at 29 years old. Josh Allen is 23 and has plenty of time.

Peyton Manning ran a 4.8 40 and had 18 rushing touchdowns in his entire 18 year career. A good 40 time doesn't equate to rushing production. Cam Newton his rookie year had 14 rushing touchdowns and a 4.59 40.

Blaine Gabbert went 10th overall and ran a 4.61 and is 6'4 235 does that make him a fantastic prospect? Measurables aren't everything as Gabbert had a abysmal 50.8% Comp in his rookie season starting 14 games and look where he is now.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on January 12, 2020, 01:57:31 am
Arm talent isn't everything, Jamarcus Russell may have had the greatest arm in NFL history and where is he now.

What does Josh Allen have to do for you to think he’s a promising talent lol

Bro he had a league worst 58.8 comp pct and was 30th in YPG despite playing with a defense that gave up the 3rd fewest yards and giving up the 2nd fewest points

What makes you think he is a promising talent?

I’ve given you reasons already. He clearly has talent and as BabyJ said he has had multiple good games. He threw 20 touchdowns to 9 interceptions. He also ran for over 500 yards and 9 touchdowns.

He’s 6’5, 240 and ran a 4.75 40 yard dash as a QB. With easily one of the most impressive arms in the NFL. Yeah I realize that other QBs with great arms don’t always work out but that’s the same with literally anything.

You make a big deal over his completion percentage right now. Your beloved Cam Newton has a career completion percentage of 59.6. He has 3 winning seasons. In those seasons his completion percentages were 61.7, 59.8, and 59.1. He had a career best 67.9% last year at 29 years old. Josh Allen is 23 and has plenty of time.

Peyton Manning ran a 4.8 40 and had 18 rushing touchdowns in his entire 18 year career. A good 40 time doesn't equate to rushing production. Cam Newton his rookie year had 14 rushing touchdowns and a 4.59 40.

Blaine Gabbert went 10th overall and ran a 4.61 and is 6'4 235 does that make him a fantastic prospect? Measurables aren't everything as Gabbert had a abysmal 50.8% Comp in his rookie season starting 14 games and look where he is now.

A good 40 time adds to your potential. Peyton Manning was the best prospect in his draft. Blaine Gabbert was a very good prospect lmao. He was a terrible starting quarterback and is a decent backup now. He went 10th overall for a reason. And yes measurables aren’t everything. But that is part of what potential is about. The things that make you different from other players. Gabbert also had a terrible situation in Jacksonville but got a second chance in San Francisco and blew it.

I don’t think you understand what promising means. It does not mean that they have to be good. It means that in the future they can be. Let me give you some examples:

Tua Tagovailoa is arguably the most talented QB prospect in this draft. He won’t be the first QB selected this year due to his health and Joe Burrow having such a great year. Are you going to argue that because of his injury concerns that he isn’t promising?

Justin Herbert is a very similar prospect to Josh Allen. Great size, elite arm strength, very good athlete, accuracy concerns. Is he not promising? He’s gonna be a top 10 pick. Maybe top 15. If he has a similar year to Josh Allen that means everything we saw from him as a prospect is negated? He wouldn’t be promising?

At this point I’d still like to hear what Josh Allen has to do to make you think he’s a promising talent. Also now I’d like to hear who you think are some promising QBs in the NFL right now.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Hawkince on January 12, 2020, 05:10:54 am
Arm talent isn't everything, Jamarcus Russell may have had the greatest arm in NFL history and where is he now.

What does Josh Allen have to do for you to think he’s a promising talent lol

Bro he had a league worst 58.8 comp pct and was 30th in YPG despite playing with a defense that gave up the 3rd fewest yards and giving up the 2nd fewest points

What makes you think he is a promising talent?

I’ve given you reasons already. He clearly has talent and as BabyJ said he has had multiple good games. He threw 20 touchdowns to 9 interceptions. He also ran for over 500 yards and 9 touchdowns.

He’s 6’5, 240 and ran a 4.75 40 yard dash as a QB. With easily one of the most impressive arms in the NFL. Yeah I realize that other QBs with great arms don’t always work out but that’s the same with literally anything.

You make a big deal over his completion percentage right now. Your beloved Cam Newton has a career completion percentage of 59.6. He has 3 winning seasons. In those seasons his completion percentages were 61.7, 59.8, and 59.1. He had a career best 67.9% last year at 29 years old. Josh Allen is 23 and has plenty of time.

Peyton Manning ran a 4.8 40 and had 18 rushing touchdowns in his entire 18 year career. A good 40 time doesn't equate to rushing production. Cam Newton his rookie year had 14 rushing touchdowns and a 4.59 40.

Blaine Gabbert went 10th overall and ran a 4.61 and is 6'4 235 does that make him a fantastic prospect? Measurables aren't everything as Gabbert had a abysmal 50.8% Comp in his rookie season starting 14 games and look where he is now.

A good 40 time adds to your potential. Peyton Manning was the best prospect in his draft. Blaine Gabbert was a very good prospect lmao. He was a terrible starting quarterback and is a decent backup now. He went 10th overall for a reason. And yes measurables aren’t everything. But that is part of what potential is about. The things that make you different from other players. Gabbert also had a terrible situation in Jacksonville but got a second chance in San Francisco and blew it.

I don’t think you understand what promising means. It does not mean that they have to be good. It means that in the future they can be. Let me give you some examples:

Tua Tagovailoa is arguably the most talented QB prospect in this draft. He won’t be the first QB selected this year due to his health and Joe Burrow having such a great year. Are you going to argue that because of his injury concerns that he isn’t promising?

Justin Herbert is a very similar prospect to Josh Allen. Great size, elite arm strength, very good athlete, accuracy concerns. Is he not promising? He’s gonna be a top 10 pick. Maybe top 15. If he has a similar year to Josh Allen that means everything we saw from him as a prospect is negated? He wouldn’t be promising?

At this point I’d still like to hear what Josh Allen has to do to make you think he’s a promising talent. Also now I’d like to hear who you think are some promising QBs in the NFL right now.

My point wasn't that Blaine Gabbert was drafted highly I was trying to compare them as quarterbacks who have good measurables and don't actually perform due to things you can't measure like decision making.

Any QB who just doesn't know what he's doing there won't be good in the future no matter how great their measurables are
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on January 12, 2020, 07:58:25 am
usually in promising quarterbacks I look for attributes that actual good quarterbacks posses.

Josh Allen:
- great athlete
- awful accuracy
- braindead decision making
- no field vision

He should just take the taysom hill route and play tight end

That’s just disrespect rn. Josh Allen is a much better QB than Taysom Hill lmao.

Josh Allen will improve on these things. He will get better with his progressions, reads, and decision making. That is what the promising part is about. He has potential to be better. This entire argument is about him being a promising player which he clearly is. He has the ability to be a very good player in the league.

I am a Jets fan and am defending this guy. If Sam Darnold is promising then so is Josh Allen. Darnold has had terrible games, but also plays like a superstar in others. He will improve.

And hey if Josh Allen never improves then it was wasted potential. Doesn’t mean he never had any potential to begin with.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: sidney crosby on January 12, 2020, 06:34:03 pm
there’s nothing promising about a QB with terrible accuracy and decision making, hes a great athlete but none of that matters if he can’t throw the ball. He’s a product of a fantastic defense and an easy schedule.

Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on January 12, 2020, 07:09:22 pm
there’s nothing promising about a QB with terrible accuracy and decision making, hes a great athlete but none of that matters if he can’t throw the ball. He’s a product of a fantastic defense and an easy schedule.

I just told you everything that is promising about him. Dudes 23 years old too. Even out of the draft he was pegged as the least NFL ready and was more of a project. He made noticeable improvements since last year. 29 total touchdowns is impressive for a 23 year old. He was 6th in the NFL in that category.

I do think tho that this Buffalo team could fall into what the Bears are right now. Great defense with a stagnant QB that hasn’t improved to the point you would want. But that will be seen next season.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: ~NickCole~ on February 03, 2020, 06:00:07 am
#BabyNut
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: sidney crosby on February 04, 2020, 04:33:12 pm
babyj won the pickems, I kicked everyone from the group so you wouldn’t doxx each other and sign each other up for various porn accounts. Sorry it was run poorly I got busy quick and didn’t really send reminders so maybe I’ll do something else down the road.

who you guys rooting for in the XFL?  I’ve decided I’m a DC Defenders fan
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Windflower on February 04, 2020, 06:22:52 pm
babyj won the pickems, I kicked everyone from the group so you wouldn’t doxx each other and sign each other up for various porn accounts. Sorry it was run poorly I got busy quick and didn’t really send reminders so maybe I’ll do something else down the road.

who you guys rooting for in the XFL?  I’ve decided I’m a DC Defenders fan
I gave up after I went 1-4 in the first round

Let's go NY Guardians eyyy hope XFL doesn't shit the bed
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on February 04, 2020, 06:52:36 pm
babyj won the pickems, I kicked everyone from the group so you wouldn’t doxx each other and sign each other up for various porn accounts. Sorry it was run poorly I got busy quick and didn’t really send reminders so maybe I’ll do something else down the road.

who you guys rooting for in the XFL?  I’ve decided I’m a DC Defenders fan
I gave up after I went 1-4 in the first round

Let's go NY Guardians eyyy hope XFL doesn't shit the bed

Guardians taking it this year boys
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: ShintoSkookum on March 17, 2020, 06:31:04 pm
https://youtu.be/ZbkN8MVFpI8
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: RussianFury on March 17, 2020, 07:14:45 pm
imagine losing to the Vikings in the playoffs twice
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: ShintoSkookum on March 17, 2020, 08:41:01 pm
imagine losing to the Vikings in the playoffs twice
saints got robbed DKK got robbed, what’s new
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Phil The Thril on March 18, 2020, 04:43:27 am
imagine losing to the Vikings in the playoffs twice
saints got robbed DKK got robbed, what’s new
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: BabyJesus on March 18, 2020, 05:08:33 am
Imagine not trading drew brees for Tom brady
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on March 20, 2020, 05:01:17 pm
Brady gonna have 40 touchdowns and 5000 yards.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Windflower on March 20, 2020, 05:08:26 pm
Brady gonna have 40 touchdowns and 5000 yards.
hope he does well with the Buccs and Evans/Godwin/OJ, actually likeable franchise
also hope Jameis goes to the Patriots lel
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on March 20, 2020, 11:28:09 pm
Brady gonna have 40 touchdowns and 5000 yards.
hope he does well with the Buccs and Evans/Godwin/OJ, actually likeable franchise
also hope Jameis goes to the Patriots lel

Not gonna lie I think Jameis will be a lot better cause he can finally see. Also if he’s in the Pats system I can see him thriving. I just think the Patriots are gonna give Stidham a shot.

At the beginning of the season I had Stidham as the #1 guy in his class. Clearly it didn’t pan out too well for him that year but I think the talent is there. And if it doesn’t work out and they get a top pick, they’re set for another 15 years at QB with Lawrence and Fields and then Kellen Mond and Jamie Newman too are gonna be good.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Rutger Müller on March 25, 2020, 07:16:28 pm
you guys seriously think Belichick would let Jameis anywhere near his facility after 30 picks?
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: sidney crosby on March 25, 2020, 09:36:37 pm
lol patriots fans with a black QB
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Windflower on March 25, 2020, 09:51:20 pm
you guys seriously think Belichick would let Jameis anywhere near his facility after 30 picks?
He led the league in yards at the same time so really he has the potential to be the best quarterback in the NFL
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on March 25, 2020, 10:11:28 pm
lol patriots fans with a black QB

They dumped Brissett so fast too lmao
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Rutger Müller on March 25, 2020, 10:16:12 pm
you guys seriously think Belichick would let Jameis anywhere near his facility after 30 picks?
He led the league in yards at the same time so really he has the potential to be the best quarterback in the NFL
Im not debating that im talking about the type of coach Bill is. he values consistency over everything which is the opposite of Jameis
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: BabyJesus on March 25, 2020, 10:42:34 pm
you guys seriously think Belichick would let Jameis anywhere near his facility after 30 picks?
He led the league in yards at the same time so really he has the potential to be the best quarterback in the NFL
he only led the league in yards because they passed way more than any other team
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: sidney crosby on March 27, 2020, 04:47:57 pm
wonder if tampa will bring in a couple scat backs for brady to throw checkdowns to
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Fartknocker on March 27, 2020, 06:39:46 pm
wonder if tampa will bring in a couple scat backs for brady to throw checkdowns to

I think drafting a guy would be good for them. If DeAndre Swift falls into the second round that’d be great for them. There’s a lot of great running backs in the draft too. I think they’ll definitely get one.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Windflower on December 28, 2020, 08:39:03 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QylZGBy7JA
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Cytiuz on December 28, 2020, 09:41:38 pm
Remember when the Patriots were good lol...me either.
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Wastee on December 28, 2020, 10:14:44 pm
Remember when the Patriots were good lol...me either.
They were literally good for the entire time you were alive nearly
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: fireboy on December 28, 2020, 11:42:41 pm
Remember when the Patriots were good lol...me either.
They were literally good for the entire time you were alive nearly
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: BabyJesus on December 29, 2020, 12:00:12 am
The lions have sucked the whole time I was alive
Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: Phil The Thril on December 29, 2020, 02:05:59 am
Remember when the Patriots were good lol...me either.
yeah I don't remember their nearly 2 decades of complete dominance haha
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Title: Re: NFL QB tier list (WIP)
Post by: [Stryker] on December 29, 2020, 10:26:17 am
I love my boy Aaron Rodgers, but Patrick Mahomes making moves, and Deshaun Watson saved my fantasy team