Ukraine

[Augy]

What the hell are you talking about? Holy shit. You still never actually addressed any of my points or inquiries, btw.

Slaves loving their masters don't make slavery desirable or defensible, Mr. Voluntaryist.
I've read my Rothbard and Block regarding voluntary slavery. Anarchists reject hierarchical arrangements.

There's a difference between voluntary hierarchy and institutional hierarchy. Anarchists are opposed to the latter.
I wouldn't even call voluntary hierarchy a "hierarchy." It's a social relation where you choose to subject yourself with regards to another for personal reasons.

Institutional hierarchy - hierarchy that most people come in contact with as a fact of life/ unavoidable hierarchy. For instance, the state or the worker-boss relationship.

Voluntary hierarchy - "hierarchy" based on consenting individuals as a social relation. Example: BDSM. You can create or destroy a "voluntary hierarchy" with complete ease.

The issue here is whether or not the slavery is institutionalized. If a slave loves his master but is still threatened with some kind of coercive force it is indefensible.
If some fool decides to be subservient to someone else out of their own free will then that is all fine and dandy.

This has gone rather off topic but is rather interesting. Why not make a separate thread for it?

It has gone off-topic many times in the past, i believe there's been three Ukraine threads already. Just let it run its course, we'll get to Ukraine when stuff happens.

[Turin Turambar]

The left is inherently cool, but conservatism is more or less by definition uncool, being a swathe of ideologies which are designed to support the already powerful. The left, on the other hand, is full of artists, musicians, queers, punks, hippies, and people figuring out how to live their lives as autonomously as possible from white supremacist, capitalist patriarchy. Which is just cool.

Trace coolness back to 19th century bohemia, libertinism, radicalism, romanticism, when artists who were often poor sympathised with the poor and the workers ... the aesthetic of nonchalance, fuck the system, critical thinking, always on the left, since it is against status quo of protecting property.

As un-nuanced as this explanation is, "being cool" in the West has usually been associated with overthrowing established hierarchies. Those hierarchies (rightly and wrongly) have usually taken the names of capitalism or conservatism.

Plus lefties make better music, I'll give 'em that.  Coolness and the status quo tend to be in conflict. Capitalism and other forms of domination appeal to people who are introverted and have little to no humility.

Conservatism = conserving the things that are good = good

Left artists, musicians, queers, punks, hippies = degeneration


But I don't know much about capitalist music.

[Archduke Sven]

100% aids

[Akko]

This has gone rather off topic but is rather interesting. Why not make a separate thread for it?

A Socialist thread would be nice. We could formulate our plans for a revolution.

[Augy]

[Nipplestockings]

Rather just take it to the political thread.

[KurassierNixon]

I hope ukraine gets wiped off the map along with poland

[Augy]

I hope ukraine gets wiped off the map along with poland

[Turin Turambar]

Kurwa!

[Colonel Howe]

Trevor Moore is bae

[junedragon]

Kurwa!

[Rejenorst]

Interesting Vice article on Greeko Russian relations and the recent meeting.
https://news.vice.com/article/the-greek-prime-ministers-meeting-with-putin-sent-a-message-to-the-eu

[Suede]

Today Parliament voted for a law about recognizing organizations that fought for the independence of Ukraine in the twentieth century.

All the people, who were fighting for independence in the military, paramilitary or political organizations, or their struggle were individually, recognized as fighters for independence of Ukraine.

The law provides recognition of organizations such as the Union for the Liberation of Ukraine, Ukrainian Sich Riflemen, UNR, Hetmanate, ZUNR, Ukrainian guerrilla and rebel groups in 1917-1930, Carpathian Sich, UPA, OUN, Sojm of the Carpathian Ukraine, Ukrainian Helsinki Group and so on.

[Augy]

Today Parliament voted for a law about recognizing organizations that fought for the independence of Ukraine in the twentieth century.

All the people, who were fighting for independence in the military, paramilitary or political organizations, or their struggle were individually, recognized as fighters for independence of Ukraine.

The law provides recognition of organizations such as the Union for the Liberation of Ukraine, Ukrainian Sich Riflemen, UNR, Hetmanate, ZUNR, Ukrainian guerrilla and rebel groups in 1917-1930, Carpathian Sich, UPA, OUN, Sojm of the Carpathian Ukraine, Ukrainian Helsinki Group and so on.

Even the Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine?

[Cruor_Volt]

Spoiler

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I can imagine them holding hands outside the photo, it's a lovely image.