Football thread v.2

[USE4life]

Retarded picture. Leagues have different abilities when it comes to attacking and defending players. Neuer has an unreal defense in front of him and has to face 2 good teams twice a year. de Gea has to face 5 good teams with a shit defense in-front of him. And even the shit PL teams seem to always have good strikers. (QPR with Austin, Hull with Jelavic and Valencia, Swansea with Bony ect).

[Draken193]

Retarded picture. Leagues have different abilities when it comes to attacking and defending players. Neuer has an unreal defense in front of him and has to face 2 good teams twice a year. de Gea has to face 5 good teams with a shit defense in-front of him. And even the shit PL teams seem to always have good strikers. (QPR with Austin, Hull with Jelavic and Valencia, Swansea with Bony ect).

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[Archduke Sven]

Retarded picture. Leagues have different abilities when it comes to attacking and defending players. Neuer has an unreal defense in front of him and has to face 2 good teams twice a year. de Gea has to face 5 good teams with a shit defense in-front of him. And even the shit PL teams seem to always have good strikers. (QPR with Austin, Hull with Jelavic and Valencia, Swansea with Bony ect).

Just because you don't know about the other leagues doesn't mean they are worse. Just to set the tone, there are more German sides competing in the Champions League finals despite them only being alotted 3 spots in comparison to the PLs 4. The top sides in the bundesliga are equals to top sides in the PL. Although Chelsea and Man City are as good as Bayern, they are definetly better than sides such as Schalke, Bayer 04 and Wolfsburg... I can definetly say that those German teams are equals to sides such as Liverpool, Tottenham and Arsenal.

[USE4life]

Retarded picture. Leagues have different abilities when it comes to attacking and defending players. Neuer has an unreal defense in front of him and has to face 2 good teams twice a year. de Gea has to face 5 good teams with a shit defense in-front of him. And even the shit PL teams seem to always have good strikers. (QPR with Austin, Hull with Jelavic and Valencia, Swansea with Bony ect).

Just because you don't know about the other leagues doesn't mean they are worse. Just to set the tone, there are more German sides competing in the Champions League finals despite them only being alotted 3 spots in comparison to the PLs 4. The top sides in the bundesliga are equals to top sides in the PL. Although Chelsea and Man City are as good as Bayern, they are definetly better than sides such as Schalke, Bayer 04 and Wolfsburg... I can definetly say that those German teams are equals to sides such as Liverpool, Tottenham and Arsenal.

I said attacking players. I never said the leagues were worse. But compare teams like West Ham and Augsburg (Both 5th/6th respectively). And compare the players.

Sahko, Vaz Te, Andy Carrol, Enner Valencia and Zarate. £37million in strikers that De Gea has to face when playing a team that's not European standard. Compared to;
Tim Matavz, Raul Bobadilla, Shawn Parker, Sascha Molders, Nikola Djurdjic. £7.5million in strikers Neuer has to face when playing a team that's up there, but not European.

Now I realize price doesn't determine skill but if these players were that good then bigger clubs would have out-bid Augsburg for them surely?

As far as your Champions League theory goes,


As much as I hate United they'll be very hard to beat in Europe next time around, and there isn't a stronger team than Chelsea on the planet this year.

[MangoMeerkat]

Retarded picture. Leagues have different abilities when it comes to attacking and defending players. Neuer has an unreal defense in front of him and has to face 2 good teams twice a year. de Gea has to face 5 good teams with a shit defense in-front of him. And even the shit PL teams seem to always have good strikers. (QPR with Austin, Hull with Jelavic and Valencia, Swansea with Bony ect).

Just because you don't know about the other leagues doesn't mean they are worse. Just to set the tone, there are more German sides competing in the Champions League finals despite them only being alotted 3 spots in comparison to the PLs 4. The top sides in the bundesliga are equals to top sides in the PL. Although Chelsea and Man City are as good as Bayern, they are definetly better than sides such as Schalke, Bayer 04 and Wolfsburg... I can definetly say that those German teams are equals to sides such as Liverpool, Tottenham and Arsenal.

Wolfsburg currently sit 2nd in the Bundesliga while Everton sit 12th. In the europa league Everton destroyed Wolfsuburg 4-1 at home and then 2-0 away.. only one example but still I don't really think the top German teams can match top english teams as the bundesliga is a one horse race especially now that Dortmund has decided it would be more fun in the 2nd league.

[Archduke Sven]

Retarded picture. Leagues have different abilities when it comes to attacking and defending players. Neuer has an unreal defense in front of him and has to face 2 good teams twice a year. de Gea has to face 5 good teams with a shit defense in-front of him. And even the shit PL teams seem to always have good strikers. (QPR with Austin, Hull with Jelavic and Valencia, Swansea with Bony ect).

Just because you don't know about the other leagues doesn't mean they are worse. Just to set the tone, there are more German sides competing in the Champions League finals despite them only being alotted 3 spots in comparison to the PLs 4. The top sides in the bundesliga are equals to top sides in the PL. Although Chelsea and Man City are as good as Bayern, they are definetly better than sides such as Schalke, Bayer 04 and Wolfsburg... I can definetly say that those German teams are equals to sides such as Liverpool, Tottenham and Arsenal.

I said attacking players. I never said the leagues were worse. But compare teams like West Ham and Augsburg (Both 5th/6th respectively). And compare the players.

Sahko, Vaz Te, Andy Carrol, Enner Valencia and Zarate. £37million in strikers that De Gea has to face when playing a team that's not European standard. Compared to;
Tim Matavz, Raul Bobadilla, Shawn Parker, Sascha Molders, Nikola Djurdjic. £7.5million in strikers Neuer has to face when playing a team that's up there, but not European.

Now I realize price doesn't determine skill but if these players were that good then bigger clubs would have out-bid Augsburg for them surely?

As far as your Champions League theory goes,

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As much as I hate United they'll be very hard to beat in Europe next time around, and there isn't a stronger team than Chelsea on the planet this year.

I'm guessing the image you posted is for the winners of the champions league? if so it really isn't relevant to the argument i was posing. There are more German teams in the last 16 this season then there are English teams, despite the alottment difference. Of course there are more English champions overall, thats because of them being a much larger force throughout the history of the competition.

Also, whilst i agree that West Hams attack line up is better than Augsburgs, rating them according to price is pretty retarded since its a fact that BPL sides always pay incredibly inflated prices for their players. Andy Carroll and Valencia aren't worth the millions they paid in terms of what they offer. If you wanted to really see whos done better this season there are stat websites like whoscored.com that you can pop over and look.

Retarded picture. Leagues have different abilities when it comes to attacking and defending players. Neuer has an unreal defense in front of him and has to face 2 good teams twice a year. de Gea has to face 5 good teams with a shit defense in-front of him. And even the shit PL teams seem to always have good strikers. (QPR with Austin, Hull with Jelavic and Valencia, Swansea with Bony ect).

Just because you don't know about the other leagues doesn't mean they are worse. Just to set the tone, there are more German sides competing in the Champions League finals despite them only being alotted 3 spots in comparison to the PLs 4. The top sides in the bundesliga are equals to top sides in the PL. Although Chelsea and Man City are as good as Bayern, they are definetly better than sides such as Schalke, Bayer 04 and Wolfsburg... I can definetly say that those German teams are equals to sides such as Liverpool, Tottenham and Arsenal.

Wolfsburg currently sit 2nd in the Bundesliga while Everton sit 12th. In the europa league Everton destroyed Wolfsuburg 4-1 at home and then 2-0 away.. only one example but still I don't really think the top German teams can match top english teams as the bundesliga is a one horse race especially now that Dortmund has decided it would be more fun in the 2nd league.

Well i guess thats a bit of the randomness in football, because you'd think teams like everton and wolfs would be better matched but seems not.

[USE4life]

Stats have the same problem as the original picture though. It's easy for a good player to get good stats in a shit league. You must have missed like 90% of my post because you've said things I already said and ignored points I made on Champs League and price.

[Archduke Sven]

Stats have the same problem as the original picture though. It's easy for a good player to get good stats in a shit league. You must have missed like 90% of my post because you've said things I already said and ignored points I made on Champs League and price.

Skim reading works 90% of the time innit.

[Reaper]

PL Teams usually don't find as much success in European tournaments such as Europa and Champions league because they have much tougher games to play every week. The intensity of PL football in comparison to the Spanish league, Bundesliga, and all the other European leagues is much higher. The games are much faster paced and there is rarely a game where they can sit back and relax. This is every week.

Whereas you have the other European leagues, where there are some good teams, but they don't face a tough, hard hitting team every week. Their success rides on the fact that they can almost always play their best, fully fit starting XI.

[Chosen1]

Tbh the BPL is the only league worth watching. Every other european league has like 3 good teams and the rest are complete trash. It's the same teams winning every season, so what's the point in watching?

[The Rebel]

Tbh the BPL is the only league worth watching. Every other european league has like 3 good teams and the rest are complete trash. It's the same teams winning every season, so what's the point in watching?

MLS is a fun league to watch tbh. Cause there isnt a "good" team. So its fun going to games etc

[Archduke Sven]

Tbh the BPL is the only league worth watching. Every other european league has like 3 good teams and the rest are complete trash. It's the same teams winning every season, so what's the point in watching?

When was the last time a team from outside the big  4 in England won the league?

[Fungus]

Blackburn wasn't it? Unless you no longer consider Arsenal a top four team, in which case a little over a decade ago.

[Archduke Sven]

Nah arsenal are still top four, they finish there pretty much every season hue

So i think the argument that 'its the same winners evry year!!!' argument is pretty irrelevant.

You watch football for the beauty of it, for enjoyment, not just for who gets the three points and wins the title.

[USE4life]

It's not just about the league though. The smaller teams are still competitive and can beat the big teams home and away. Whereas Bayern win/draw 95% of their games.