The General Political Thread

[Toffee]

Expecting a comment about the United States with absolutely no reference to Russia's actions in three, two, one...

Hey they’re there to stop extremists from taking over!!!1!1!!!

[Duuring]

Remember kids, promoting seperatism within the Russian Federation means three years prison time, promoting seperatism towards it means a premiership, a medal and a meet-and-greet with Putin.

[Prince_Eugen]

Remember kids, promoting seperatism within the Russian Federation means three years prison time, promoting seperatism towards it means a premiership, a medal and a meet-and-greet with Putin.

Providing free one-way tickets for separatism lovers and promoters. The meeting with the former DPR/LPR adepts is guaranteered. Bring friends = more fun.

[cheeseypants]

I <3 Donald Trump

[Edwin]

I <3 Donald Trump

[StevenChilton]

The Germans are pushing for an EU military to do the fighting for them.

I giggled.

Giggle all you like, but that's actually what is happening:
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/22/germany-is-quietly-building-a-european-army-under-its-command/

But under the bland label of the Framework Nations Concept, Germany has been at work on something far more ambitious — the creation of what is essentially a Bundeswehr-led network of European miniarmies. “The initiative came out of the weakness of the Bundeswehr,” said Justyna Gotkowska, a Northern Europe security analyst at Poland’s Centre for Eastern Studies think tank. “The Germans realized that the Bundeswehr needed to fill gaps in its land forces … in order to gain political and military influence within NATO.” An assist from junior partners may be Germany’s best shot at bulking out its military quickly — and German-led miniarmies may be Europe’s most realistic option if it’s to get serious about joint security. “It’s an attempt to prevent joint European security from completely failing,” Masala said.

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Romania’s entire military won’t join the Bundeswehr, nor will the Czech armed forces become a mere German subdivision. But in the next several months each country will integrate one brigade into the German armed forces: Romania’s 81st Mechanized Brigade will join the Bundeswehr’s Rapid Response Forces Division, while the Czech 4th Rapid Deployment Brigade, which has served in Afghanistan and Kosovo and is considered the Czech Army’s spearhead force, will become part of the Germans’ 10th Armored Division. In doing so, they’ll follow in the footsteps of two Dutch brigades, one of which has already joined the Bundeswehr’s Rapid Response Forces Division and another that has been integrated into the Bundeswehr’s 1st Armored Division.

[Toffee]

It might sound radical but I support the idea of joint security if it’s properly controlled by all of the contributors instead of a single one. There will come a time when Europe won’t be able to rely on the US and we need to look to ourselves to defend each other. Closer bonds and connections only serve to maintain the longest relative peace the continent has ever seen.

[Council]

Remember kids, promoting seperatism within the Russian Federation means three years prison time, promoting seperatism towards it means a premiership, a medal and a meet-and-greet with Putin.

Well, the conquering of the Crimea was a strategic move, since the pro-american ukrainian president Piotr Poroshenko was planning to let the NATO’s build a base there. You don’t need to be into the politics to understand the simple fact - No one needs destabilization in that region. Please don’r forget the Crimea Autonomy had and has a right to choose their own way of the development. They made a choice, under ~90% voted for the reunification with Russia.
Pre-history of the Ukrainian local conflict:
Everything was good until Piotr issued a law about “restriction of the russian language”. After the idiotic law was half-accepted few regions which were ~80% russian-talking resisted it and defended a right to speak the language of their ancestors.

[Toffee]

Ah I see, Russia started a war to prevent the region from becoming destabilised.

Makes sense

[Council]

Read again and answer the question - Who has started the fighting operations firstly? Don’t bother yourself, i’ll help you - Ukraine, in the face of «antiterrorist operation». Underline the fact that “Ukrainian army” which participated in AO was made mostly of the fascist-direction gangs, here are the few examples:
The right sector(Pravy sector), even the flag of them consists of the old colors which were used by nazi’s ukranian “militia” during the WWII. The same with ideology.

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[Toffee]

I’m not trying to be funny but I can’t really understand what you just typed due to the poor grammar so I’ll just make this point; Russia intervened in the Ukraine without UN backing, sending in troops wearing no insignia and denying their involvement. If they thought that they were in the right then why would they not take their issues to the peacekeeping council of the world? Russia sent troops to the Ukraine because they knew that the democratically elected government were becoming more pro-NATO and EU.

[StevenChilton]

It might sound radical but I support the idea of joint security if it’s properly controlled by all of the contributors instead of a single one. There will come a time when Europe won’t be able to rely on the US and we need to look to ourselves to defend each other. Closer bonds and connections only serve to maintain the longest relative peace the continent has ever seen.

Longest peace? Only if you ignore Ukraine or the Balkans, plus Soviet military activity in Hungary/Czechoslovakia/etc.

[Piercee]

better to be a national socialist than to be red commie scum, better dead than red even.
 

[Council]

Let’s be fair, the ukrainian revolution was sponsored by West&Co. Russia has no any interest to be in conflict with the neighbor because of many logical reasons no need to explain.

Tell me please, what’s the profit of another orange revolution for the people? Another market place of cheap and low-quality products from Europe which totally destroyed the competitive ability of the local goods? New level of the corruption? An uncontrollable army consists of the legal bandits? Problem regions and loss of the Crimea? Debts to the whole world and the inability to pay even for gas and electricity?

Destabilization occurred because of a revolution that the people of Ukraine didn’t need. The rest shit has run out of inertia.


My father was in Kiev few days ago. The situation is really awful.

[Council]

I’m not trying to be funny but I can’t really understand what you just typed due to the poor grammar so I’ll just make this point; Russia intervened in the Ukraine without UN backing, sending in troops wearing no insignia and denying their involvement. If they thought that they were in the right then why would they not take their issues to the peacekeeping council of the world? Russia sent troops to the Ukraine because they knew that the democratically elected government were becoming more pro-NATO and EU.

Can you prove the intervention? Before the Crimea conflicts started, there was a Russian Naval Base with 5 000 soldiers in it. Democratically elected? Mate, the government was occupied by bandits and freaks during the West&Co sponsored revolution , to understand this you need to see their speeches.
About the grammar - Yes, maybe since i’m speaking the russian-english, pardon please.
You told me

Ah I see, Russia started a war to prevent the region from becoming destabilised.

Makes sense

I’m not sure if this sarcasm or not but I asked you about the people who started the “war-zone” there.