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Re: Your opinion on LGBT
« Reply #90 on: July 03, 2021, 02:51:29 pm »
Marriage is a sacrament and is sacred in many religions and should be respected. All religions define marriage as the celebration of unity between a man and a woman through God's imparting divine grace.  Marriage is and always will be a celebration of God,  whether it be your marriage taking place in a church or overseen by a priest - ultimately in Christian Marriage (im sure in other religions too) God will always be present through these things. The only time you can argue God not being present is within Civil Partnership as it is not a sacrament @rikkert.

The problem many religious people see with homosexual marriage is that it fundamentally alters this definition and as soon as you start altering the meaning of marriage (one of the most sacred traditional institution in the world) where does it end? Can we start having three or even four way marriages? It is just the principle of inherently changing the definition of Marriage which opens up the possibility of further alterations  and changes to be made to a sacred sacrament, which is why many religious people are not comfortable with is.
 
This is where Fietta is unfortuneately right about the differences between Civil Partnerships and Marriage
It was already pointed out several times that marriage is not a purely religious thing. The concept existing in many religions is a product of the ever-lasting nature of marriage, that was simply integrated into for example Christianity. First there was marriage -  then religions. Not the other way around, as Gibby already said.

Also, what hypocrisy is this, that you arbitrarily draw the red line at homosexual marriage. There's so much that was once preached by the church that has completely turned 180 degrees by today and I'm 100% sure that homosexual marriage will join this never ending list in the (possibly near) future.
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Re: Your opinion on LGBT
« Reply #91 on: July 03, 2021, 02:55:16 pm »
LGBT people don't harm anyone. Just let people live their life and love who they want.
no wonder these people get away with all that shit if the average voter has such a simplistic view of the issue
Wdym chief? Does the thought of 2 men/women kissing or getting married make you piss and shit yourself? Foaming at the mouth because someone who was born a girl wishes to be a boy?

Btw there is no "issue". People marrying who they're attracted to isn't an issue. It's human rights.

Being gay or trans an issue? Nope, gay marriage? Yup.

Marriage is sacred, its purpose is to bond a man and woman together in faith. If homosexuality (or atleast acting on homosexual desires) is sin, why on earth would you allow marriage for it. An alternative for marriage for homosexual couples would be a 'Civil Partnership'; when registered you get the same benefits/rights as a standard married couple but without divinity.

It's why you hear "Holy matrimony" thrown around a lot when performing vows (in atleast Catholicism) because it means:

"covenant by which a man and woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life and which is ordered by its nature to the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring"

All of which simply doesn't apply to homosexual couples. The reason being homosexual or transgender is fine, is because there's nowhere in the bible that states being homosexual is sin; it mentions numerous times that acting on your homosexual desires is sin, but being homosexual isn't.

On another note, performing homosexuality acts is sin, which you can repent, everyone sins, but allowing marriage of sin is (in the case of religion) stepping the line; something which is only done for political value (mainly leftism). I think if people were more educated on the bible, gay marriage wouldn't be that controversial because understanding the whole reason it exists is enough for it to not be reasonable for homosexuality. Civil partnerships exist to respect religion, you don't need marriage to make a bond between humans.

Do you believe in any other mythical creatures besides god? Santa Claus perhaps? Vampires, werewolves, leperchauns?

Religion is dumb let people be happy during the short time we have on this planet.
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Re: Your opinion on LGBT
« Reply #92 on: July 03, 2021, 03:03:01 pm »
Marriage is a sacrament and is sacred in many religions and should be respected. All religions define marriage as the celebration of unity between a man and a woman through God's imparting divine grace.  Marriage is and always will be a celebration of God,  whether it be your marriage taking place in a church or overseen by a priest - ultimately in Christian Marriage (im sure in other religions too) God will always be present through these things. The only time you can argue God not being present is within Civil Partnership as it is not a sacrament @rikkert.

The problem many religious people see with homosexual marriage is that it fundamentally alters this definition and as soon as you start altering the meaning of marriage (one of the most sacred traditional institution in the world) where does it end? Can we start having three or even four way marriages? It is just the principle of inherently changing the definition of Marriage which opens up the possibility of further alterations  and changes to be made to a sacred sacrament, which is why many religious people are not comfortable with is.
 
This is where Fietta is unfortuneately right about the differences between Civil Partnerships and Marriage
It was already pointed out several times that marriage is not a purely religious thing. The concept existing in many religions is a product of the ever-lasting nature of marriage, that was simply integrated into for example Christianity. First there was marriage -  then religions. Not the other way around, as Gibby already said.

Also, what hypocrisy is this, that you arbitrarily draw the red line at homosexual marriage. There's so much that was once preached by the church that has completely turned 180 degrees by today. I'm 100% sure that homosexual marriage will join this never ending list in the (possibly near) future.

I wouldn't say that I arbitrarily draw the line at homosexual marriage, it is just the Pope's comprehension and understanding of the catechisms that have decided this line. It's up to me personally to accept the church's revised view which differs from Pope to Pope to a certain extent, so its not me per say that draws this line - its more the church. I also wouldn't be too sure about the Church eventually progressing and accepting homosexual marriage which would mean amending one of the holy sacraments.

Regarding your first point, I 100% agree - I was never contending that, I was just using the example of the traditional Catholic Church as an example as to infer why many religious people are skeptical of the term 'Gay Marriage' when it really is just a civil partnership if the service is exclusively conducted by the state.
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Re: Your opinion on LGBT
« Reply #93 on: July 03, 2021, 03:09:38 pm »
LGBT people don't harm anyone. Just let people live their life and love who they want.
no wonder these people get away with all that shit if the average voter has such a simplistic view of the issue
Wdym chief? Does the thought of 2 men/women kissing or getting married make you piss and shit yourself? Foaming at the mouth because someone who was born a girl wishes to be a boy?

Btw there is no "issue". People marrying who they're attracted to isn't an issue. It's human rights.

Being gay or trans an issue? Nope, gay marriage? Yup.

Marriage is sacred, its purpose is to bond a man and woman together in faith. If homosexuality (or atleast acting on homosexual desires) is sin, why on earth would you allow marriage for it. An alternative for marriage for homosexual couples would be a 'Civil Partnership'; when registered you get the same benefits/rights as a standard married couple but without divinity.

It's why you hear "Holy matrimony" thrown around a lot when performing vows (in atleast Catholicism) because it means:

"covenant by which a man and woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life and which is ordered by its nature to the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring"

All of which simply doesn't apply to homosexual couples. The reason being homosexual or transgender is fine, is because there's nowhere in the bible that states being homosexual is sin; it mentions numerous times that acting on your homosexual desires is sin, but being homosexual isn't.

On another note, performing homosexuality acts is sin, which you can repent, everyone sins, but allowing marriage of sin is (in the case of religion) stepping the line; something which is only done for political value (mainly leftism). I think if people were more educated on the bible, gay marriage wouldn't be that controversial because understanding the whole reason it exists is enough for it to not be reasonable for homosexuality. Civil partnerships exist to respect religion, you don't need marriage to make a bond between humans.

Do you believe in any other mythical creatures besides god? Santa Claus perhaps? Vampires, werewolves, leperchauns?

Religion is dumb let people be happy during the short time we have on this planet.

Luckily for you I'm a gay atheist; but I understand and respect people of religion, hence the arguments :p

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Re: Your opinion on LGBT
« Reply #94 on: July 03, 2021, 03:12:10 pm »
People saying religion is dumb lmao Reddit moderator moment what a neckbeard

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Re: Your opinion on LGBT
« Reply #95 on: July 03, 2021, 04:19:20 pm »
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Re: Your opinion on LGBT
« Reply #96 on: July 03, 2021, 04:34:49 pm »
ottomans were gay no problemo for me

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Re: Your opinion on LGBT
« Reply #97 on: July 03, 2021, 04:37:28 pm »
LGBT people don't harm anyone. Just let people live their life and love who they want.
no wonder these people get away with all that shit if the average voter has such a simplistic view of the issue
Wdym chief? Does the thought of 2 men/women kissing or getting married make you piss and shit yourself? Foaming at the mouth because someone who was born a girl wishes to be a boy?

Btw there is no "issue". People marrying who they're attracted to isn't an issue. It's human rights.
no, in fact if i'm completetly honest they're not even relevant enough for me to give them any serious thought, may it be good or bad. Once again you're missing the point, whether 2 homosexuals kissing/marrying is okay or not isn't and has never been the issue.
Where i do take issue is that gender dysphoria - just like racism, feminism or environmentalism - is just another otherwise (reasonably) legitimate claim that's been hijacked by leftist politics and ideologists through a fabricated monopoly on kind-heartedness to serve the only purpose of widening their voter base and get into office even tho they couldnt care less about these people

a 2nd subsequent issue could be the neutral mass allowing all of it to happen and not even questioning it out of fear of being on the wrong side of good sentiments because the left owns more than 90% of medias, which you perfectly demonstrated with your previous post.
Y'all's main point seems to be "they dont hurt nobody", not that you know of since apparently you haven't even cared to take time to adress the issue. They as people dont hurt anyone obviously but the small political group instrumentalising them does hurt people both on a global scale - because they're the ones in office - and on the long run - because while you might not be directly affected at time T, your children/grandchildren will most likely be if this goes on, by living in a completely fucked society resulting of nonsensical measures of unconstrained social engineering

Now this could also lead me to take issue on a third layer, on a civilisational level and say this whole mess is just another manifestation of the decay of a degenerate end-of-cycle society, but its probably just gonna result in a snip so why bother  :D
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Re: Your opinion on LGBT
« Reply #98 on: July 03, 2021, 04:52:24 pm »
LGBT people don't harm anyone. Just let people live their life and love who they want.
no wonder these people get away with all that shit if the average voter has such a simplistic view of the issue
Wdym chief? Does the thought of 2 men/women kissing or getting married make you piss and shit yourself? Foaming at the mouth because someone who was born a girl wishes to be a boy?

Btw there is no "issue". People marrying who they're attracted to isn't an issue. It's human rights.
no, in fact if i'm completetly honest they're not even relevant enough for me to give them any serious thought, may it be good or bad. Once again you're missing the point, whether 2 homosexuals kissing/marrying is okay or not isn't and has never been the issue.
Where i do take issue is that gender dysphoria - just like racism, feminism or environmentalism - is just another otherwise (reasonably) legitimate claim that's been hijacked by leftist politics and ideologists through a fabricated monopoly on kind-heartedness to serve the only purpose of widening their voter base and get into office even tho they couldnt care less about these people

a 2nd subsequent issue could be the neutral mass allowing all of it to happen and not even questioning it out of fear of being on the wrong side of good sentiments because the left owns more than 90% of medias, which you perfectly demonstrated with your previous post.
Y'all's main point seems to be "they dont hurt nobody", not that you know of since apparently you haven't even cared to take time to adress the issue. They as people dont hurt anyone obviously but the small political group instrumentalising them does hurt people both on a global scale - because they're the ones in office - and on the long run - because while you might not be directly affected at time T, your children/grandchildren will most likely be if this goes on, by living in a completely fucked society resulting of nonsensical measures of unconstrained social engineering

Now this could also lead me to take issue on a third layer, on a civilisational level and say this whole mess is just another manifestation of the decay of a degenerate end-of-cycle society, but its probably just gonna result in a snip so why bother  :D


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Re: Your opinion on LGBT
« Reply #99 on: July 03, 2021, 05:20:12 pm »
Im not sure about this "the left controlls the media", Im active in a left, socialistic party and the only media we can "controll" are some small newspapers besides our own social media channels. In my country, the big media is owned by liberals or conservatives, maybe socialdemocratics. A good part is kinda rightpopulistic to be honest. Or is this the American "left"? So left is democrats and right is republicans. Then Id say its 50/50 over here.

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a 2nd subsequent issue could be the neutral mass allowing all of it to happen and not even questioning it out of fear of being on the wrong side of good sentiments because the left owns more than 90% of medias, which you perfectly demonstrated with your previous post.



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Re: Your opinion on LGBT
« Reply #100 on: July 03, 2021, 05:40:29 pm »
a 2nd subsequent issue could be the neutral mass allowing all of it to happen and not even questioning it out of fear of being on the wrong side of good sentiments because the left owns more than 90% of medias, which you perfectly demonstrated with your previous post.
Y'all's main point seems to be "they dont hurt nobody", not that you know of since apparently you haven't even cared to take time to adress the issue. They as people dont hurt anyone obviously but the small political group instrumentalising them does hurt people both on a global scale - because they're the ones in office - and on the long run - because while you might not be directly affected at time T, your children/grandchildren will most likely be if this goes on, by living in a completely fucked society resulting of nonsensical measures of unconstrained social engineering

Now this could also lead me to take issue on a third layer, on a civilisational level and say this whole mess is just another manifestation of the decay of a degenerate end-of-cycle society, but its probably just gonna result in a snip so why bother  :D
here we go again lmao
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Re: Your opinion on LGBT
« Reply #101 on: July 03, 2021, 05:46:38 pm »
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Re: Your opinion on LGBT
« Reply #102 on: July 03, 2021, 06:31:12 pm »
LGBT people don't harm anyone. Just let people live their life and love who they want.
no wonder these people get away with all that shit if the average voter has such a simplistic view of the issue
Wdym chief? Does the thought of 2 men/women kissing or getting married make you piss and shit yourself? Foaming at the mouth because someone who was born a girl wishes to be a boy?

Btw there is no "issue". People marrying who they're attracted to isn't an issue. It's human rights.
no, in fact if i'm completetly honest they're not even relevant enough for me to give them any serious thought, may it be good or bad. Once again you're missing the point, whether 2 homosexuals kissing/marrying is okay or not isn't and has never been the issue.
Where i do take issue is that gender dysphoria - just like racism, feminism or environmentalism - is just another otherwise (reasonably) legitimate claim that's been hijacked by leftist politics and ideologists through a fabricated monopoly on kind-heartedness to serve the only purpose of widening their voter base and get into office even tho they couldnt care less about these people

a 2nd subsequent issue could be the neutral mass allowing all of it to happen and not even questioning it out of fear of being on the wrong side of good sentiments because the left owns more than 90% of medias, which you perfectly demonstrated with your previous post.
Y'all's main point seems to be "they dont hurt nobody", not that you know of since apparently you haven't even cared to take time to adress the issue. They as people dont hurt anyone obviously but the small political group instrumentalising them does hurt people both on a global scale - because they're the ones in office - and on the long run - because while you might not be directly affected at time T, your children/grandchildren will most likely be if this goes on, by living in a completely fucked society resulting of nonsensical measures of unconstrained social engineering

Now this could also lead me to take issue on a third layer, on a civilisational level and say this whole mess is just another manifestation of the decay of a degenerate end-of-cycle society, but its probably just gonna result in a snip so why bother  :D
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Re: Your opinion on LGBT
« Reply #103 on: July 03, 2021, 06:58:02 pm »
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« Reply #104 on: July 03, 2021, 06:59:44 pm »
People saying religion is dumb lmao Reddit moderator moment what a neckbeard

It is dumb people base their lives on fairytales.
I understand the historical value of religion, but it doesn't make it any less stupid.

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LGBT people don't harm anyone. Just let people live their life and love who they want.
no wonder these people get away with all that shit if the average voter has such a simplistic view of the issue
Wdym chief? Does the thought of 2 men/women kissing or getting married make you piss and shit yourself? Foaming at the mouth because someone who was born a girl wishes to be a boy?

Btw there is no "issue". People marrying who they're attracted to isn't an issue. It's human rights.

Being gay or trans an issue? Nope, gay marriage? Yup.

Marriage is sacred, its purpose is to bond a man and woman together in faith. If homosexuality (or atleast acting on homosexual desires) is sin, why on earth would you allow marriage for it. An alternative for marriage for homosexual couples would be a 'Civil Partnership'; when registered you get the same benefits/rights as a standard married couple but without divinity.

It's why you hear "Holy matrimony" thrown around a lot when performing vows (in atleast Catholicism) because it means:

"covenant by which a man and woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life and which is ordered by its nature to the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring"

All of which simply doesn't apply to homosexual couples. The reason being homosexual or transgender is fine, is because there's nowhere in the bible that states being homosexual is sin; it mentions numerous times that acting on your homosexual desires is sin, but being homosexual isn't.

On another note, performing homosexuality acts is sin, which you can repent, everyone sins, but allowing marriage of sin is (in the case of religion) stepping the line; something which is only done for political value (mainly leftism). I think if people were more educated on the bible, gay marriage wouldn't be that controversial because understanding the whole reason it exists is enough for it to not be reasonable for homosexuality. Civil partnerships exist to respect religion, you don't need marriage to make a bond between humans.

Do you believe in any other mythical creatures besides god? Santa Claus perhaps? Vampires, werewolves, leperchauns?

Religion is dumb let people be happy during the short time we have on this planet.

Luckily for you I'm a gay atheist; but I understand and respect people of religion, hence the arguments :p
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I also "respect" people of religion, or rather I don't give a fuck what you believe in as long as you don't use it to fuck with other peoples rights, or use it to influence politics ingeneral. Therefore using a religion to try and prohibit LGBTQ from having equal rights is quite the overstep.
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