M. Points | 23.07 | MASSIVE UPDATE

[fireboy]

The EUs first mistake was letting us have a section the last 10+ pages have just been NA Salt with the occasional Kore, Pierce, or John Price post.

[John Price]

I mean, Dueling is relevant but it doesn't show if you have teamwork etc. Dueling will only be relevant in 2v2's, 3v3's and maybe 5v5 tourneys.

[Fwuffy]

I hope it's clear I mean duel tournaments and random FT7s, not within a small GF match context. Winning duels within a GF is the least consistent way of ensuring a win, but yes it does count for some sort of time-pressed raw skill. However within duel tournaments or whatever, it is the most one-dimensional style of a patience contest, and doesn't really indicate anything since you have no other circumstances or context to the fight.

[Stroke0fd34th]

I mean, Dueling is relevant but it doesn't show if you have teamwork etc. Dueling will only be relevant in 2v2's, 3v3's and maybe 5v5 tourneys.

Dueling gives a pretty good idea how well someone understands the mechanics of the game and how well they can apply them.

Groupfighting shows how well you can work with others and handle a variety of different circumstances (like being outnumbered).


They each have criteria that are necessary for judging a players skill, and to pretend one is more important than the other (not saying you're saying this, just in general) is ridiculous.

I hope it's clear I mean duel tournaments and random FT7s, not within a small GF match context. Winning duels within a GF is the least consistent way of ensuring a win, but yes it does count for some sort of time-pressed raw skill. However within duel tournaments or whatever, it is the most one-dimensional style of a patience contest, and doesn't really indicate anything since you have no other circumstances or context to the fight.

That entirely depends on who you fight. Yes sometimes it is just a match of patience and in that case, yes it can be disregarded as a skill indicator. But from my own dueling experience (mostly on NA, but some EU too) that's rarely the case, and it's mostly just a select few individuals who hardcore s-key and do other desperate tactics like that to drag it out and turn it into a patience match.

[Fwuffy]

I mean, Dueling is relevant but it doesn't show if you have teamwork etc. Dueling will only be relevant in 2v2's, 3v3's and maybe 5v5 tourneys.

Dueling gives a pretty good idea how well someone understands the mechanics of the game and how well they can apply them.

Groupfighting shows how well you can work with others and handle a variety of different circumstances (like being outnumbered).


They each have criteria that are necessary for judging a players skill, and to pretend one is more important than the other (not saying you're saying this, just in general) is ridiculous.

I hope it's clear I mean duel tournaments and random FT7s, not within a small GF match context. Winning duels within a GF is the least consistent way of ensuring a win, but yes it does count for some sort of time-pressed raw skill. However within duel tournaments or whatever, it is the most one-dimensional style of a patience contest, and doesn't really indicate anything since you have no other circumstances or context to the fight.

That entirely depends on who you fight. Yes sometimes it is just a match of patience and in that case, yes it can be disregarded as a skill indicator. But from my own dueling experience (mostly on NA, but some EU too) that's rarely the case, and it's mostly just a select few individuals who hardcore s-key and do other desperate tactics like that to drag it out and turn it into a patience match.

Could be, I guess that's why our view of it is as such in EU because our highest tier duelers here are precisely doing it in a very stationary way where you will not get a chance to judge feinting skill, chambers, kicks or holds because it turns into an up down standing block competition (sometimes you don't even get the downstab aspect). I hope NA has a better and more lively scene for duels in that case - from what I hear you probably do.

[Cazasar]

I find the differences in the two communities an interesting case study in the differences of the EU and NA Mindset. So far I think we can clearly say that NAs tend to have inflated egos.

[Dan the Seagull Chef]

I find the differences in the two communities an interesting case study in the differences of the EU and NA Mindset. So far I think we can clearly say that NAs tend to have inflated egos.

Not really we just have different forms of retardation

[Lurvy]

Hahaha that NA list. Good meme.

[Theodin]

@Babyj you seem to care a lot about both lists while not having been active in ages, makes me think.
Maccle is like one week away from dropping due to inactivity.
This is why you don’t let Americans do anything.

[Dan the Seagull Chef]

Hahaha that NA list. Good meme.

Hey thanks for the suggestion

@Babyj you seem to care a lot about both lists while not having been active in ages, makes me think.
Maccle is like one week away from dropping due to inactivity.
This is why you don’t let Americans do anything.

Ok

[Sgt.Winters]

Muh melee

[John Price]

Haven't you seen Risk's kick? Probably at least 96p tbhhhh

[maccle]

@Babyj you seem to care a lot about both lists while not having been active in ages, makes me think.
Maccle is like one week away from dropping due to inactivity.
This is why you don’t let Americans do anything.

why should i drop? i still patrol the forums that should be enough to be a 91 rated
shouldnt hellomoto drop he hasnt launched the game for 3 years

[Sanders]

Hellomoto is still semi-active lol

[Stroke0fd34th]

I find the differences in the two communities an interesting case study in the differences of the EU and NA Mindset. So far I think we can clearly say that NAs tend to have inflated egos.

Ye, no EU's have inflated egos, obviously.