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Re: 15th Humans vs Bots Server (NOT A PLACE TO ASK FOR UNBANS/TROLL=MUTE)
« Reply #855 on: January 02, 2015, 12:20:19 am »
Hello there !

My name is JohnnyMoustache, and I've been playing on your humans versus bots server for few years now if I'm correct.

I've been permanently banned today around 22h30-45 GMT (under this name : "Homme_Patate"), and I'm wondering if I the ban could be lifted by any chance.

I've been banned for ridiculously offending words in global chat, and I totally understand why the admin gave a permanent ban.
Actually, a friend of mine and me were chilling, totally drunk, in my living room, and he played M&B on my account for a while. After a while, he told me he stole somebody's name (Cpl_Hawk, if he remembers well.) and used it to insult an admin (Cenkris), in a quite rude way. The innocent Cpl_Hawk was banned.

When I realized my friend got an innocent player permanently banned, I felt so bad for that guy. That's why I've connected back instantly on the server, and managed to tell Cenkris (who didn't believe me at first) that Cpl_Hawk was victim of a troll who stole his name. I really wanted this guy to be unbanned, so I've insisted, explaining it WAS a name troll who was responsible for the offensive chat, and that Cpl_Hawk was not guilty at all.
Therefor, I knew the admins would check the IDs and that they would find out my ID was the same, and that my account was the one used to send these offensive messages.

I understand why this ended in a permanent ban, but if I was a troll, I wouldn't have come back to mention Cpl_Hawk was victim of a troll. My main mistake was to let my drunk friend play on my computer while I was busy.

I only wanted to fix his mistakes, by helping that other player who was wrongfully banned, even if it had to cost me.

Considering I came back on the server to warn the admins an innocent player was banned, because I felt so guilty for my friend's behaviour, I think I could be eligible for a ban lift and It would be kind from you to grant it to me.

Thanks for reading, and apologies to Cenkris for the offensive global chat sent with my account.
JM.

PS. (unlike the other players, there's no chance I give away my CD Key here for obvious security reason. I could PM them.)
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« Last Edit: January 02, 2015, 10:22:29 pm by Thunderstormer »

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Re: 15th Humans vs Bots Server (NOT A PLACE TO ASK FOR UNBANS/TROLL=MUTE)
« Reply #856 on: January 02, 2015, 08:50:17 pm »
Hello there !

My name is JohnnyMoustache, and I've been playing on your humans versus bots server for few years now if I'm correct.

I've been permanently banned today around 22h30-45 GMT (under this name : "Homme_Patate"), and I'm wondering if I the ban could be lifted by any chance.

I've been banned for ridiculously offending words in global chat, and I totally understand why the admin gave a permanent ban.
Actually, a friend of mine and me were chilling, totally drunk, in my living room, and he played M&B on my account for a while. After a while, he told me he stole somebody's name (Cpl_Hawk, if he remembers well.) and used it to insult an admin (Cenkris), in a quite rude way. The innocent Cpl_Hawk was banned.

When I realized my friend got an innocent player permanently banned, I felt so bad for that guy. That's why I've connected back instantly on the server, and managed to tell Cenkris (who didn't believe me at first) that Cpl_Hawk was victim of a troll who stole his name. I really wanted this guy to be unbanned, so I've insisted, explaining it WAS a name troll who was responsible for the offensive chat, and that Cpl_Hawk was not guilty at all.
Therefor, I knew the admins would check the IDs and that they would find out my ID was the same, and that my account was the one used to send these offensive messages.

I understand why this ended in a permanent ban, but if I was a troll, I wouldn't have come back to mention Cpl_Hawk was victim of a troll. My main mistake was to let my drunk friend play on my computer while I was busy.

I only wanted to fix his mistakes, by helping that other player who was wrongfully banned, even if it had to cost me.

Considering I came back on the server to warn the admins an innocent player was banned, because I felt so guilty for my friend's behaviour, I think I could be eligible for a ban lift and It would be kind from you to grant it to me.

Thanks for reading, and apologies to Cenkris for the offensive global chat sent with my account.
JM.

PS. (unlike the other players, there's no chance I give away my CD Key here for obvious security reason. I could PM them.)

*facepalm* I dont even really want to comment on this one again.

All right, now. You cannot steal names, names on this game are available to anyone. Your Game ID, however is unique. It doesnt matter if you use 20 names, they all = steam ID (example): 0000-0000-0000-0000

Only YOUR friend has been banned, HIS account, the name cannot be banned. Its why Hitler has so many lives, it has unlimited uses. Now there were 2 accounts, yours and his or at the least you had 2 copies of Napoleonic Wars.

But anywho.

Now the conversation is over. No unban for either steam ID.
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Re: 15th Humans vs Bots Server (NOT A PLACE TO ASK FOR UNBANS/TROLL=MUTE)
« Reply #857 on: January 02, 2015, 10:13:21 pm »
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All right, now. You cannot steal names, names on this game are available to anyone. Your Game ID, however is unique. It doesnt matter if you use 20 names, they all = steam ID (example): 0000-0000-0000-0000

Yes, you can steal a game name.

The player was called Cpl_Hawk. My friend took a SIMILAR name, by swapping the "l" for a capital I. That's why your admin (Cenkris) banned the innocent Cpl_Hawk. Names on this game are not available to anybody. Or, they are, but you can't connect a server where somebody is already using the same name.
That's exactly what I'm explaining : My friend, with my CD KEY, copied Cpl_Hawk's name. You banned the real Cpl_Hawk, and when I came back to tell you that he was victim of a troll (my drunk friend, playing on my computer), you banned my CD KEY too.

I know my CDkey was banned, and not my name, otherwise I would just change it.

So my friend and I were playing on the same game ID, which is mine. The first guy you banned, Cpl_Hawk, is totally innocent, and is not even my friend.
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No unban for either steam ID. 
Even for that first Cpl_Hawk, which has done nothing forbidden, except getting his name copied by my trolly friend ?
If you don't unban me because a friend trolled with my account, at least unban Cpl_Hawk, which is totally innocent, and whose name was only copied.

If you only realize now that names can be copied so another player looks guilty, I'm wondering how many innocent players you've already perm banned, without any hope to get a ban lift.

Anyway, thanks for your awesome service to users, for the lot of time you've spent helping me explaining to you how you've permanently banned an innocent player who didn't ask anything to anybody, and for the quality and the kindness of your answer, which confirms you are a profesionnal staff who cares about its players.  ;D
« Last Edit: January 02, 2015, 10:25:32 pm by JohnnyMoustache »

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Re: 15th Humans vs Bots Server (NOT A PLACE TO ASK FOR UNBANS/TROLL=MUTE)
« Reply #858 on: January 02, 2015, 11:26:07 pm »
don't waste your time

the admins on this server are on a power trip

the best thing about this server is that it gathers all the idiots together

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Re: 15th Humans vs Bots Server (NOT A PLACE TO ASK FOR UNBANS/TROLL=MUTE)
« Reply #859 on: January 02, 2015, 11:35:44 pm »
don't waste your time

the admins on this server are on a power trip

the best thing about this server is that it gathers all the idiots together

Funny how everyone loves playing on this server until they get banned. Then they remember that the 15th are, of course, a "bunch of cunts"
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Re: 15th Humans vs Bots Server (NOT A PLACE TO ASK FOR UNBANS/TROLL=MUTE)
« Reply #860 on: January 03, 2015, 12:54:30 am »
Funny how everyone has a friend or a brother who is to blame for them getting banned.

Name has Zero to do with it, they ban by Unique ID which is tied to your Taleworlds CD key or Steam CD Key. If he was on your PC / Steam account using YOUR Unique ID that is YOUR fault for trusting him with it to begin with.

Now the title says not the place to request unbans, you have had your answer. Any further posts will be removed.

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Re: 15th Humans vs Bots Server (NOT A PLACE TO ASK FOR UNBANS/TROLL=MUTE)
« Reply #861 on: January 03, 2015, 01:41:10 pm »
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Funny how everyone has a friend or a brother who is to blame for them getting banned.
If that was me, I wouldn't have told the admins, they would never have investigated for my CDKey, and I wouldn't be banned.

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Name has Zero to do with it, they ban by Unique ID which is tied to your Taleworlds CD key or Steam CD Key. If he was on your PC / Steam account using YOUR Unique ID that is YOUR fault for trusting him with it to begin with.

Indeed, that's what I've started with. But I'm not sure people understand how the name matters : my friend copies a name, trolls the chat, leaves, and the real guy gets his CDkey banned because the admin bans the name he saw trolling (the only one since the copy left the server.)

I don't care about being banned and I mainly came here, as explained twice above, because an innocent player called Cpl_Hawk has been banned because of my friend (or because of me since you're considering it's my fault, which is the case, and which is why I'm coming here to fix my friend's mistakes, as a responsible person who feels bad for this poor banned guy.) I only wanted to fix this for him, who didn't break any rule, who doesn't even know me or my friend.
I had no answer I think about his ban. Unless I've misunderstood, the "no unban for either cd keys" was applying to mine and my friend's, which is mine. Nothing was said about that innocent guy I think.

Now if the administration team considers this guy who has broken no rule at all has to be permanently banned because somebody came on the server with a similar name and spammed some offensive things, then it's fine.
You don't even have to admit you're unbanning that innocent guy here. He was called Cpl_Hawk, the one who had another CDkey, not mine and was banned around the time and day I've posted the appeal. I'm sure you'll do the right thing and let this guy who's probably nice play on your servers again  ;D
« Last Edit: January 03, 2015, 02:01:23 pm by JohnnyMoustache »

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Re: 15th Humans vs Bots Server (NOT A PLACE TO ASK FOR UNBANS/TROLL=MUTE)
« Reply #862 on: January 03, 2015, 01:48:29 pm »
(apologies for double, please delete  :-*)
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Re: 15th Humans vs Bots Server (NOT A PLACE TO ASK FOR UNBANS/TROLL=MUTE)
« Reply #863 on: January 08, 2015, 09:41:16 pm »
don't waste your time

the admins on this server are on a power trip

the best thing about this server is that it gathers all the idiots together

Funny how everyone loves playing on this server until they get banned. Then they remember that the 15th are, of course, a "bunch of cunts"

It is certain that some things can only be discovered due to a course of action.

How else, would it be discovered, in your words, that the admins are a bunch of cunts?

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Re: 15th Humans vs Bots Server (NOT A PLACE TO ASK FOR UNBANS/TROLL=MUTE)
« Reply #864 on: January 08, 2015, 09:47:32 pm »
It is certain that some things can only be discovered due to a course of action.

How else, would it be discovered, in your words, that the admins are a bunch of cunts?

By ignoring the rules and acting like a butthurt child when you get banned?
"Bunch of cunts" was used by Vespasian and got snipped, not by me.
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Re: 15th Humans vs Bots Server (NOT A PLACE TO ASK FOR UNBANS/TROLL=MUTE)
« Reply #865 on: January 08, 2015, 10:40:49 pm »
It is certain that some things can only be discovered due to a course of action.

How else, would it be discovered, in your words, that the admins are a bunch of cunts?

By ignoring the rules and acting like a butthurt child when you get banned?
"Bunch of cunts" was used by Vespasian and got snipped, not by me.
Out of question are you a admin on the server?

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Re: 15th Humans vs Bots Server (NOT A PLACE TO ASK FOR UNBANS/TROLL=MUTE)
« Reply #866 on: January 08, 2015, 11:11:27 pm »
Out of question are you a admin on the server?
Nah :D We used to attend their events though, if you are looking for some really obvious reason for my bias.
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Re: 15th Humans vs Bots Server (NOT A PLACE TO ASK FOR UNBANS/TROLL=MUTE)
« Reply #867 on: January 12, 2015, 12:31:00 am »
It is certain that some things can only be discovered due to a course of action.

How else, would it be discovered, in your words, that the admins are a bunch of cunts?

By ignoring the rules and acting like a butthurt child when you get banned?
"Bunch of cunts" was used by Vespasian and got snipped, not by me.
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what rules?

are you in a position to justify and explain every ban? indeed do you know the exact reason for every ban?

you didn't quote and we all use words which have been used before, that is how language develops and evolves. you typed the words 'bunch of cunts' and therefore it is your statement

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Re: 15th Humans vs Bots Server (NOT A PLACE TO ASK FOR UNBANS/TROLL=MUTE)
« Reply #868 on: January 12, 2015, 05:38:02 pm »
what rules?

are you in a position to justify and explain every ban? indeed do you know the exact reason for every ban?

you didn't quote and we all use words which have been used before, that is how language develops and evolves. you typed the words 'bunch of cunts' and therefore it is your statement

Even if I did quote, the quote would have shown the *snip* :) . And yes, since I have absolutely nothing against the admins of this server (I havent even played on it for half a year), it would be unreasonable at least to expect me to start randomly insulting them, or, indeed, anyone else involved.

I've been reading this thread and the equivalent one on TW since it popped up more than a year ago, back when I hadn't even registered for FSE, and I do have to remark that most unbans have to do with people not staying swapped to defenders, wasting/spamming defences and trolling with sapper crates, and occasionally insulting the admin. That, and the ban-on-sight regiment cases.

So no, I cannot guarantee in any way that any ban was "fair" or not (indeed, what is considered "fair" is entirely subjective), but most of the posts I saw did actually admit to doing something wrong, then complaining at how harsh the measure was. Quite simply, they expected to be cuddled and warned first rther than recieving a ban, usually with little or no explanation given. So, in that sense, we have to wonder whether this strict banning policy is fair - that would be a very constructive discussion with useful feedback for once, instead of the classic "fuck the admiz they banned me" posts that have inundated such threads.

As for what the rules are, it does seem that people do manage to miss the giant "Game Rules" box when they join the 15th, or indeed any server. They are:
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And the rules on the OP of this very thread are:
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Server Rules
1 - No more than 5 players are to lead the bots at any time. If there are 20 or less players on the human side then there are to be no more than 2 bot commanders!

2 - Admins will swap players if there are too many people leading the bots or they have chosen specific people to lead the bots for that round. If players repeatedly swap back then this will lead to temp bans for the human players betraying us to the robot menace!

3 - Everyone is obliged to have fun and strongly encouraged to aid their fellow man in every way they can in humanity`s most desperate hour of need! :D

4 - No talking about how when you get out of this hell you are going to make it back to Blighty, marry your sweetheart and take up your old job at the viagra factory... because you know if you do you won`t be making it back alive! :roll:

5 - Players are not to hassle admins to change maps, enable cavalry or alter any other settings.

6 - Anyone trolling the defences or wasting sapper points will be dealt with by the use of permanent bans.

7 - Any player who is being constantly offensive to other players will be temporarily banned or permanently banned depending upon the severity of the offences!

8 - Anyone using a deliberately offensive name will be permanently banned!

9 - Admins are not to use admin weapons or generally abuse admin powers without good cause or reason! If any admins are seen to be breaking these rules then report them on this forum along with exact dates and times in GMT of their offences! Do not waste our time in this matter or make false claims!

10 - There is a limit of one recruitment message to be made per round by each regiment. Multiple recruitment messages made by different people but for the same regiment will be treated as breaking this rule and will result in kicks or temporary bans.

11 - No arty griefing! Faliure to abide by this rule is likely to result in a temporary or permanent ban depending on the severity of the offences!

12 - No excessive bad behaviour of any kind! Admins will deal appropriately with anyone causing trouble on the server!
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The admins also frequently repeat them in-game.
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Re: 15th Humans vs Bots Server (NOT A PLACE TO ASK FOR UNBANS/TROLL=MUTE)
« Reply #869 on: January 14, 2015, 12:07:00 am »
what rules?

are you in a position to justify and explain every ban? indeed do you know the exact reason for every ban?

you didn't quote and we all use words which have been used before, that is how language develops and evolves. you typed the words 'bunch of cunts' and therefore it is your statement

Even if I did quote, the quote would have shown the *snip* :) . And yes, since I have absolutely nothing against the admins of this server (I havent even played on it for half a year), it would be unreasonable at least to expect me to start randomly insulting them, or, indeed, anyone else involved.

I've been reading this thread and the equivalent one on TW since it popped up more than a year ago, back when I hadn't even registered for FSE, and I do have to remark that most unbans have to do with people not staying swapped to defenders, wasting/spamming defences and trolling with sapper crates, and occasionally insulting the admin. That, and the ban-on-sight regiment cases.

So no, I cannot guarantee in any way that any ban was "fair" or not (indeed, what is considered "fair" is entirely subjective), but most of the posts I saw did actually admit to doing something wrong, then complaining at how harsh the measure was. Quite simply, they expected to be cuddled and warned first rther than recieving a ban, usually with little or no explanation given. So, in that sense, we have to wonder whether this strict banning policy is fair - that would be a very constructive discussion with useful feedback for once, instead of the classic "fuck the admiz they banned me" posts that have inundated such threads.

As for what the rules are, it does seem that people do manage to miss the giant "Game Rules" box when they join the 15th, or indeed any server. They are:
Spoiler
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And the rules on the OP of this very thread are:
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Server Rules
1 - No more than 5 players are to lead the bots at any time. If there are 20 or less players on the human side then there are to be no more than 2 bot commanders!

2 - Admins will swap players if there are too many people leading the bots or they have chosen specific people to lead the bots for that round. If players repeatedly swap back then this will lead to temp bans for the human players betraying us to the robot menace!

3 - Everyone is obliged to have fun and strongly encouraged to aid their fellow man in every way they can in humanity`s most desperate hour of need! :D

4 - No talking about how when you get out of this hell you are going to make it back to Blighty, marry your sweetheart and take up your old job at the viagra factory... because you know if you do you won`t be making it back alive! :roll:

5 - Players are not to hassle admins to change maps, enable cavalry or alter any other settings.

6 - Anyone trolling the defences or wasting sapper points will be dealt with by the use of permanent bans.

7 - Any player who is being constantly offensive to other players will be temporarily banned or permanently banned depending upon the severity of the offences!

8 - Anyone using a deliberately offensive name will be permanently banned!

9 - Admins are not to use admin weapons or generally abuse admin powers without good cause or reason! If any admins are seen to be breaking these rules then report them on this forum along with exact dates and times in GMT of their offences! Do not waste our time in this matter or make false claims!

10 - There is a limit of one recruitment message to be made per round by each regiment. Multiple recruitment messages made by different people but for the same regiment will be treated as breaking this rule and will result in kicks or temporary bans.

11 - No arty griefing! Faliure to abide by this rule is likely to result in a temporary or permanent ban depending on the severity of the offences!

12 - No excessive bad behaviour of any kind! Admins will deal appropriately with anyone causing trouble on the server!
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The admins also frequently repeat them in-game.

so lets get this exactly right, you didn't type 'bunch of cunts'?

as for the rest of your post, its just din...