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Would the US have joined if Britain was Invaded?

Yes
10 (34.5%)
No
13 (44.8%)
Yes, they sent over more supplies etc
2 (6.9%)
No, because Germany would have invaded the US with their new ship "Britannica"
4 (13.8%)

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Voting closed: August 12, 2013, 01:12:01 am

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Re: A WW2 alternative Question.
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2013, 10:07:07 pm »
Everyone here is talking about the 'When'.
Why not question the 'if', in the first place.

If they hadn't been attacked, would they have joined at all?
Get those blinker off.

There was no way in the world the japanese would not have attacked the U.S. or the U.S. attacked them(eventual). The japanese ambitions for the pacific was just too big and interfered with everything everyone else wanted.(especially the U.S.)

Carefully ignoring the fact the USA had stood and watched how the Japanese had attacked Russia, China and the British, French and Dutch indies. The only country not yet invaded by ground forces was Australia. When would the USA have finally decided to join the war on their own? Late 1942? Early '43? Is there really a way to tell IF they would have even joined? I don't think the American populace would have supported a war to support a Britain in shatters and a USSR that was being completely nailed.

The Japanese government refused to declare war on Russia because it would have been a multi-front war and the valuable resources the japanese wanted were in the southern part of china. Second the chinese have been fighting the japanese for almost a decade already therefore no one intervened until the European Clashes occurred happened.  France had already surrendered and vichy france felt there was no need to fight over Vietnam or Indochina as a whole.  Britain, India, and burma were not attacked until after hostilities opened with the U.S.  Lastly Indonesia was attacked by the japanese after the dutch in europe had no control over their colony because they capitulated.  Even if the japanese attacked India then the Indians would definitely have accepted the Japanese as overlords. If Indonesians were getting pissy about the japanese imagine how the Indian reaction would have been.

Edit: The japanese would have still have the thinking the U.S. would intervene because the U.S. was already blocking off trade from japan which the warmongers in the Japanese Imperial court would have eventually used as context to bring a war against america and therefore germany would have declared war on the U.S. and bringing the U.S. into the war
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Re: A WW2 alternative Question.
« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2013, 10:16:06 pm »
  Lastly Indonesia was attacked by the japanese after the dutch in europe had no control over their colony because they capitulated. 

Ehm, Bullshit. The Dutch ARMY had capitulated. The Dutch Government had evacuated to Britain where it became a Government in exile - It kept control over the Dutch indies until those were invaded themselves, which was over a year later. The KNIL, the Dutch east-indies army, spend that year expanding and re-organizing - It received light tanks, machine guns and even airplanes before it was defeated.

Oh, by the way, stop calling it Indonesia. That name would not be used to describe the Indies until it became an independent country. In this time frame, it's the Dutch East-indies.

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Edit: The japanese would have still have the thinking the U.S. would intervene because the U.S. was already blocking off trade from japan which the warmongers in the Japanese Imperial court would have eventually used as context to bring a war against america and therefore germany would have declared war on the U.S. and bringing the U.S. into the war

Very good. You just explained what happened in World war 2. The question remains if the USA would have joined if they had not been directly attacked.
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Re: A WW2 alternative Question.
« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2013, 10:42:02 pm »
  Lastly Indonesia was attacked by the japanese after the dutch in europe had no control over their colony because they capitulated. 

Ehm, Bullshit. The Dutch ARMY had capitulated. The Dutch Government had evacuated to Britain where it became a Government in exile - It kept control over the Dutch indies until those were invaded themselves, which was over a year later. The KNIL, the Dutch east-indies army, spend that year expanding and re-organizing - It received light tanks, machine guns and even airplanes before it was defeated.

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Edit: The japanese would have still have the thinking the U.S. would intervene because the U.S. was already blocking off trade from japan which the warmongers in the Japanese Imperial court would have eventually used as context to bring a war against america and therefore germany would have declared war on the U.S. and bringing the U.S. into the war

Very good. You just explained what happened in World war 2.

Ehhhh.... i am trying to stay on topic and your second quote from me would have happened whether it was britain being invaded or not. Britain being invaded would have still had japan attacking the U.S. and therefore back on subject america would have been dragged into war.

Lastly the K.N.I.L. had a resistance of 3 months. Had they , as you claim, had a year then the american supplies of the beautiful ol' medium tanks called Lees and other supplies That were used instead for the american efforts in the Pacific.

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Re: A WW2 alternative Question.
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2013, 11:47:24 pm »
The Dutch indies surrendered the 9th of March 1942 - That's 22 months after the surrender of the Dutch army in the Netherlands. They weren't at war with Japan until December 1941 funnily enough. Not that anyone expected the Japanese not to come. Pretty much none of the civilians bothered to evacuate though, because they thought Japanese occupation would be like the German occupation of the Netherlands. How wrong they were...

But we are going off-topic here. Like I said, the Netherlands didn't want to get involved in the 2nd World war anyway, so that point is settled.
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Re: A WW2 alternative Question.
« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2013, 01:13:03 am »
The Dutch indies surrendered the 9th of March 1942 - That's 22 months after the surrender of the Dutch army in the Netherlands. They weren't at war with Japan until December 1941 funnily enough. Not that anyone expected the Japanese not to come. Pretty much none of the civilians bothered to evacuate though, because they thought Japanese occupation would be like the German occupation of the Netherlands. How wrong they were...

But we are going off-topic here. Like I said, the Netherlands didn't want to get involved in the 2nd World war anyway, so that point is settled.

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Re: A WW2 alternative Question.
« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2013, 01:57:09 am »
But then again, The Netherlands isn't claiming we came in and saved the day because were such nice guys.

There is still a huge gap of more then a year between the battle of Britian and the USA joining in after being attacked. Their attention was with Japan, not Germany (Though those were of course allied). I just fail to see how the USA WOULD have joined in if the battle of Britian had been lost and the Germans would have crippled Britians army. A land invasion is not even necessary for that.

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Re: A WW2 alternative Question.
« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2013, 03:58:43 am »
i'm not saying the U.s. would have declared war on germany but a war in the pacific was inevitable which then germany would have been even more confident about victory that he would have used his alliance with japan as context to declare war on U.S.

Summery of all my posts is that whether or not britain was invaded the U.S. would have been dragged into the war by the japanese and german alliance therefore the subject of the american participation is done and settled.

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Re: A WW2 alternative Question.
« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2013, 11:05:07 am »
Not really, because had the British lost, they would have surrendered/signed peace in 1940. The US may have gotten in a war with Japan later on, but the world war would be over.

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Re: A WW2 alternative Question.
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2013, 01:50:47 pm »
What if the germans put huuuge sails on Britain and sailed their whole army into the direction of the USA to invade them?

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Re: A WW2 alternative Question.
« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2013, 01:51:29 pm »
What if the germans put huuuge sails on Britain and sailed their whole army into the direction of the USA to invade them?
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Re: A WW2 alternative Question.
« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2013, 01:57:39 pm »
What if the germans put huuuge sails on Britain and sailed their whole army into the direction of the USA to invade them?



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Re: A WW2 alternative Question.
« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2013, 02:07:49 pm »
What if the germans put huuuge sails on Britain and sailed their whole army into the direction of the USA to invade them?



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Re: A WW2 alternative Question.
« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2013, 02:12:24 pm »
What if the germans put huuuge sails on Britain and sailed their whole army into the direction of the USA to invade them?

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And then the wind came from the wrong direction and poor old Netherlands got smacked between Tommies and Jerries.

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Re: A WW2 alternative Question.
« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2013, 08:04:19 pm »
What if the germans put huuuge sails on Britain and sailed their whole army into the direction of the USA to invade them?



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Re: A WW2 alternative Question.
« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2013, 08:34:19 pm »
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